Garri dey hungry me oh!
:|

wiegraf:
Only if the stuff has already been proven. Else, depending on the nature of the claim and the situation, being critical may be necessary



No it doesn't. It would be close-minded if after being presented with valid objective evidence (or logic in some cases) one still refuses to change his views. Or at least admit he might be wrong and would have to research/reflect on the issue. If someone claims he's from FEMA yet provides no evidence for this but says you should follow him to camp for whatever reason, especially when no disaster has taken place, you should be critical.

Opening threads just to flame though is usually pointless, except for fun

i think 'wielhalf's' explanation cuts it.

I think it comes with maturity, it comes when guys starts having girlfriends and girls having responsibilities, one having things going for him/her while the other doesn't and starts feeling inferior and having low self esteem, it doesn't happen to all though, i'm a victim too and i think about it too, sometimes i think i'm harsh...it's not easy though but you have to create a balance, you might not be as close as before but still show that you care.
BTW, change is permanent.

musKeeto: HApppppy biiirrrttthhdaaay Sir....

hmmmn? Coming from you. Sure that's all you got to say?

wiegraf: The story long. I hope I can keep it short. I also really shouldn't be spending time here. Anyways



First off, you need to differentiate between learning social norms and most education involving topics like mathematics (particularly, arguably the most objective persuit there is), sciences, etc. Even their objectives are different. One is involved with technical knowledge, the other with norms used to deal with society like moral codes.

Religion could try to pass itself off as technical knowledge, which is true in a sense. Problem occurs when religious dogma is taught as fact, it most certainly is not (evidence, where? Not even logical evidence to back it up). Not only that but people being taught these 'facts' are not allowed or encouraged to question, they must agree with its dogma. Other brainwashing techniques also become involved, usually even the brainwasher is unaware of what they are doing, they were programmed earlier to perpetuate said religions doctrines. If you need to clear that up, wiki to start

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrination

Using the word 'believe', I just don't know what better word to use so I'll stick with it, sort of. But you don't believe 2 + 2 = 4, it is objectively so, with or without the presence of conscience to translate it (thereby adding our subjectivity to it). Philosopher input is welcome (step in quantum lovers, etc).



Like I say, you've been conditioned to not question doctrine, at least I hope so as this is rather bad reasoning. To elaborate, you say the blue then say the red in the same paragraph? You're more or else saying that people just accept the religion they are born into, that does not translate to putting any thought into it. You, as an african with no ties to manchester, have a family and all of them are man u fans? Then pressure from your family was involved. Either some sort of peer pressure or downright manipulation (even if done just to please your kind parents, you probably haven't given it enough thought). Btw, being a bigot just because someone does not share your opinions is not justifiable.

Look at these
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

What I want you to take from there is number of people who were raised in homes where religion was not an issue, in essence a lot less pressure from the family to follow some religion or the other. From those homes, roughly 50% of them do go on to be affiliated with a religion. That is how it should be without coercion, you make up your mind for yourself as to what stance suits you best then you follow it, no pressure involved. With that note that quite a few still became religious despite less pressure, those one can safely say came to their decisions after having given it a lot more thought than the indoctrinated.

And there are all sorts of atheists, or anti-theists (unaffiliated, humanists, even buddhists, etc, agnostiscs, pantheists etc), just as there are all sorts of theists (xtian, muslim etc). So the 50 - 50 is fairly accurate.



So you think it's by force for one to have children? You're still forcing your opinions on others.


I've already wasted too much time. Hope you guys question your beliefs. Not asking anyone to throw away god, just don't blindly follow

Too much time wasted as you said, and to think we've totally diverged from the topic. Let's agree to disagree.

musKeeto:
Pretty lame argument.. Every team in the competition stands a chance of winning the Champions league. Players sometimes pick teams based on better odds. Of course, no one expected Porto to win it, or Liverpool. You see where your argument fails hopelessly?

And yeah, check up on Pascal's Wager...

Are you for real? Every team? Football's a game, but it also works with reality...a team might win against all odds but they must have some quality too, like 'porto' & 'liverpool' who won it with quality players like 'deco' & 'alonso'. If every team has a chance, can you put your money on 'braga' winning it?

musKeeto:
Science coerced atheists? Lol....

Science works for everyone, doesn't matter your religion or beliefs.. It works for everyone....

Faith, on the other hand, is down to personal interpretation. Faith takes the form of the believer's thoughts.. ever heard 'whatever works for you'...

Science works, no doubt, but hasn't there been some things that science itself couldn't explain, cases where scientists were left in awe?
Faith on the other hand can be defined as evidence of things not seen...it works with reality though, so it's not necessarily 'whatever works for you'.

wiegraf:

You may have problems understanding the meaning of the word coerce. No one's threatening or bribing/manipulating us atheists to do anything. And xtians are given the benefit of the doubt, but have no evidence. If xtianity/whatever was not tagged 'religion' the respect would be a lot lower

If you think actions change people you think intolerance, baseless gay bashing and calling people who don't subscribe to your beliefs fools are the most productive route?

Why the need to change/convert one anyways. I, and most of us atheists it seems, could care less what religion you follow. It's the bigotry, intolerance, etc that shift us into action.

You think gay bashing is right? Give me cogent non-religious reasons why so? Pls, no opinions as well

I must say it's rather harsh that you consider religious people as being coerced into it. I believe there are some things we were taught (not forced) to believe...just as we were taught that 2+2=4 in mathematics, if you never believed that, then you probably wouldn't know anything about maths. What you refer to as bigotry/intolerance comes as a result of the fact that it's suprising that in this part of the world (where we were all brought up to believe in a supreme being, be it under christianity, islam or paganism), there are people who believe in nothing supernatural at all.
As regards to gay bashing(without religious quotes), apart from the fact Nigeria is very religious, isn't it obvious? 2 men can't reproduce cos it takes a man and woman to do so, or am i wrong?

wiegraf:

I'm going to tell you how it looks to the average atheist (can't speak for all of us), so nothing personal. Though you shouldn't care much for our opinions as we're 'fools' in xtianspeak anyhow. Pascal's wager is generally considered extremely cowardly and self-serving: you believe in god because you're scared or concerned primarily with your self-preservation, not because you're a good person or god is a good deity. You've been coerced/blackmailed into believing.

The other arguments in this thread, you guys genuinely think the average atheist has not seen them tirelessly before? The ones floating in this thread are of the lowest quality....

And no, most of you haven't heard or given anti-theist arguments any decent thought. Mostly just sheeple in here from what I can tell. There are religious that have given their faith proper consideration though, I doubt most of those would be blindly intolerant.

Everyone is entitled to his beliefs and opinions, so calling atheists fools won't change them, actions & probably miracles will. If christians were coerced into believing, science coerced atheists too. Some christians believe in science too, so how about a benefit of the doubt from atheists too?

musKeeto:
When Barca win the champions league, it doesn't go on Ashley Cole's cv... Or Kobe Bryant's cv...

Yea sure, but Ashley cole knows he stands no chance of winning it with Arsenal, that's why he joined Chelsea...you see?

Wow! G4 thread. White or Yellow, all join, especially with water wey don sentence to 5days fridgenment...chai!!! Plus milk, chocolate & sugar...ahhhhh. Infact i'm going to drink now. #searching for cup and spoon#

musKeeto:
I gain or lose nothing.. let's see, you believe in the Christian god, you're pissing off other gods.. Let's say Allah's the real god.. lol. we'll both be in muslim hell.
Your chances are as good as mine...

Eunny, but what if they're same, ever thought of that? Football's all about winning, so if you play either like Chelsea or Barcelona to win the cup...the end justifies the means.

musKeeto:
hmmm.. this question sef... I don't believe in religion. Never will. There might be a creator(an event, process, being) that created me. But it/he probably moved on to other galaxies.

Believing in the Christian God? Lol, I'd rather go to hell. Thank you.

Oh i see, little wonder your comments are like that. However, you lose nothing if you believe in God, you might lose if, in the end you find out he exists.

musKeeto:
Can you pls shut the 4k up? Isn't it the Xtians that are crying and moaning, bombers killing them in the HOUSE of GOD in the name of Alllah? What fulfillment do I stand to achieve by believing in a robber and rebel that was rightfully killed and hung on a bloody cross by the Romans?
The only thing I'll turn to Jesus is my ass.. he can kiss it for all I care...

Isn't it a normal reaction...moaning when you're being threatened in your place of worship? That being said, lemme ask...is there anything (anything at all) that'll happen that'll make you believe there is a God?

[quote author=musKeeto]
What beliefs?

Beliefs that make you think there's nothing wrong with a male becoming a female.

musKeeto:
What's the point of having google then?

Click here

Oh pleaseeeeee, it's called enlightenment, or wouldn't you want others to share in your beliefs?

musKeeto: Anyone willing to bet that the first few posters have no idea what a sex change is all about...?

Why don't you let them know?

engrtee: I wonda y d poor keep on borning triplet why d rich born just one. Any xplanation

Simple

www.google.com

engrtee: I wonda y d poor keep on borning triplet why d rich born just one. Any xplanation

Simple

www.google.com

Mine was buying 'goody-goody' with my lunch money for a girl i had a crush on back in primary school....mehn hunger waya me that day no be small.

Too much 'Nollywood movies' affect some people's mentality. I wonder what's so special about having a male child that won't give the same vibe as having a female, as if females don't make it or become influential in today's world. *SMH*
:@

thaira:
Don't be deceived @ op. You will take shyte, in the bucketloads. It will be dished out even If you have ten sons. Even If you marry from your own tribe. What's more important is that you learn to deal with them as they are. Even your best friends give you shyte not to mention in-laws. I believe its the most complicated relationship ever. Enjoy the good times and be steadfast when the bad times come because they will still give way to good times. Son or no son. All the best.

Oh really, she should take shyte, like really? When has getting married to a man from another tribe meant bondage, i mean would you give her that kind of advice if she were your sister? OP's decision is her's to take, but i think respect is reciprocal-the fact that she must respect her inlaws doesn't mean she must act dumb.

debrief08: I dont understand what tribe has to do with your in ln- laws attitude, In-Laws can act up even if you are from the same village, so remove tribe from your issue so you can have a clear solution.
Be respectful but draw up boundaries, dont do more than you can, do what is decent and you are comfortable with, dont start what you cant finsih, dont start with eye service and back down when you enter te house

Best comment so far.

@ op, Same tribe or not, in-law issues will almost certainly come up. Distance is essential, so maybe you should relocate, and be nice to your in-laws no matter, but don't take no shyte. Pray too.

Beef noni.

You say it as if it's a must that they do...its the government's sole responsibility. They've got issues too you know?

Hmmm....but its suprising that garri's price is still the same even after this information.

Yaaay!
Now that's what i'm talking about. Congrats messi, up barca. Hopefully you'll celebrate it with a hattrick on Saturday.

cyril83: abeg stop quoting from d book,let's face reality even our bible say money is d work of d ministry,tell d world how u wud survive without having money in life..this doesn't work anywia in d world even among whites dat beta understanding,dia s no how u cud gain respect from ur wife and children if u can't take care of dem,now tell me how ur wife wud show u love wen she doesn't respect u as d head of d family

True. God is no fool, & he respects hardworking people, i think people that quote from the holy books watch too much of 'Nollywood'.

masterpiecer:

If 1 can afford to pay rent i dont think that should be termed as poverty

Would you love to continue paying rent for the rest of your life? Face it bro, there's more to poverty than not being able to pay your rent or provide food for yourself, it goes a lot deeper, & even has levels.

omotola1: I‘ve seen couples that are extremely rich and yet their home is hell! (fight today fight tomorrow).
I‘ve seen couples that are in abject poverty, yet they have a happy home.
I‘ll say YES... True love can exist in poverty.

Do poor couples not fight too? Guess you haven't seen any, there are a whole lot of them. Disputes are caused by a lot of things, so it can happen in any family, either rich or poor, but 80% of disputes between a poor family is financial

eduson55: Mind you,poverty have different levels.so point at the level of poverty you mean.
but if it is the type i am imagining your question to be,
the answer is

[size=28pt]NO[/size]

Seconded
Poverty is bad, so so bad, if the man has a 'not too good job', but still provides a little something, it's still regarded as poverty, but the woman might stay (praying for change), but if otherwise...., don't think about it. Majority that stay in it do so because of their children/religious beliefs.