TVSA:



Where are you getting this from? is it the same Deuteronomy 14:22-29? Where do you see anything like temple in that passage? The passage has nothing to do with temple ritual or priest. It's an annual celebration by Israelites at a particular location outside their gates where God will choose for them for yearly celebration. I repeat, it has nothing to do with temple. See another verse that corroborate this

Deuteronomy 12:17-18 KJV
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: [18] But thou must eat them before the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the Lord thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto

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You forgot that there was no temple when this law was given. My usage of the word temple was just to illustrate that everything happened in God's house. The children of Israel were still wandering in the wilderness when the law was given. They usually set up a tabernacle where Moses speaks with God who descend on it. So, wherever God wanted them to eat the tithe, he makes them set up the tabernacle there which is almost like a temple. But when the temple was built, tithe was brought there. After the temple was built, where did God say the tithe should provide meat for/

Malachi 3:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house,

The man will be there with his household. Children, wife, servants etc.

Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Nobody is drinking oil, it's a feast

If nobody is drinking oil, how come you say the other things listed alongside oil are being taken? So you see.

Again, the passage isn't talking about temple, stop putting temple in all your arguments, it's your own fabrication.

The feast for the Levites and the poor is after 3 years. Always read between the lines, don't mix things up.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Verses 22-27 is year by year for you. Verses 28-29 is after 3 years for Levites and the poor.

Where God puts his name is his possession. The temple is his possession likewise tabernacle. Now, tell me where God ever put his name for tithe to be eaten if not the temple or tabernacle. Go and read Nehemiah 13:4-28 to see how the temple or house of God was the store for the tithe and how portions for the priests and Levites were shared from there. If according to you the tithe was to be swallowed by the people in the same manner they brought them, then what portion was the priests and Levites getting as seen in Nehemiah 13:4-28?

tonyimadu:
I laugh at your wisdom... so basically any one that those not share your beliefs should shut up and that is your definition of Christianity. Lack of tolerance and poor manners and you still feel Boko Haram is bad?

Why was Jesus and John the Baptist always saying woe to the Pharisees and even calling them vipers? Because they were spreading falsehood. Bt according to you, John the Baptist and Jesus were Boko Haram members.

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TVSA:


satanic bible indeed. Let's quote the angelic version again.

Deuteronomy 14:23 KJV
And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

If after reading this, you still don't know what the verse is talking about, collect your school fees back from your high school. It's a total waste. It's obvious you don't know simple passage comprehension.

Don't you get it? Tithers are to eat what the temple prepares from their tithe. It doesn't say they will eat the tithe in the exact manner they brought it.

@bold Can one man. put all of that in his stomach? Even if it's just corn he brought as tithe, the portion will be too much to fit into his stomach. Are you also going to drink oil?

You make it sound like tithe is meant for us to eat. Then why go through the stress of carrying it to the temple? Why not eat it at home? It's not meant for us to eat, otherwise the Levites and the priests won't have anything to eat. If you eat your tithe, what will the Levites, widows, fatherless, strangers and priests feed on?

The thing God is saying is that tithers are to partake in a feast organized by the temple caretakers who make use of a portion of what they tithed as provision for the feast. That means they are to eat out of it, which is just a portion, not the whole of it.

All the people mentioned in the bible that tithed didn't eat their tithe. Even Deuteronomy 14:28-29 that says you should keep your tithe in your gate every three years, still doesn't say you should eat it. It is meant for the Levites, widows, fatherless and strangers.

An example in modern times. Let's say you earn N100k as monthly salary. You are expected to pay 10k as tithe. According to you, that 10k should be spent on food which you will eat at the temple. Tell me, can. you finish 10k food in a sitting?

What the Bible is saying is that you are to drop the 10k, then the church will determine what to do with it. Those feasts you see churches organize are sponsored with tithe money. That way you get to eat out of your tithe, even widows and strangers too.

But you say the 10k should be swallowed in one sitting by you alone. Isn't that gluttony which the Bible warns against?

TVSA:


Do you have problem with English Language or you're being mischievous on purpose?
Where in the passage did God talk about temple or priest? Why are you bringing your own interpretation to a well self explained text?
Deuteronomy 14:23

New International Version
Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.

New Living Translation
Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God.

English Standard Version
And before the LORD your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

Berean Study Bible
And you are to eat a tenth of your grain, new wine, and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, in the presence of the LORD your God at the place He will choose as a dwelling for His Name, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

New American Standard Bible
"You shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

New King James Version
And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.


After reading this you still say it's not their tithe they are to eat? Which version of the bible are you reading?

You think that passage is the other passage that talked about tithing?me Go and read more to see how tithe involves priest, temple etc.

You had to go quote Satanic Bible versions to back your claim up. Go through Albahdadi's profile, he has a thread that exposes all those bible versions for the fraud they are.

https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

When next you want to tithe, make sure you buy food with the money and let's see if your stomach can contain it all.

TVSA:


It is like it is hard for you to understand a simple passage. Read from vs 22 again, slowly this time .

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 KJV
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. [23] And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. [24] And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: [25] Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: [26] And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, [27] And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. [28] At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

God told them to eat their tithe in a place where he'll choose for them. But if the place is far, they should convert it to money and use it to buy whatever they want for themselves. Then he went further to tell them to remember the levites and the poor and give them their own portion also so that they might have something to eat. In all the verses, please show me where in the above that talked about sacrificing anything to God or you're importing your own interpretation?


You also talking about colon, you obviously don't know how colons are used in sentences. Colon is used to separate two independent clauses when the second explains or illustrates the first. The second part of Deuteronomy 14:26 explains the first part. What they are to eat is what they used their money to buy.

Do you now understand?

God didn't tell them to eat their tithe. If I tithe oxen and sheep, can my stomach contain it all? God simply said the tithe should be brought to his house. It is the priest that now decides what to do with them as commanded by God. He take this portion, gives to the Levites and a feast is held for everyone to eat. Nowhere is it written that each individual should eat his tithe.

The tithe provides food in God's house, and that food is what you, the strangers and widows eat every time they come to the temple. The tithe is not for you to sit down at the temple and eat it yourself. Can you finish a full cow in one sitting?

Take note of the below phrase


and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God

Notice that it doesn't say "thou shall eat It there. Had it been that that's what it said, then your stance that people are to eat their tithe is justified. Rather, it says we should eat at the temple. Nowhere is it stated that it is the tithe we bring that we are to consume.

Now, to your talk of colon, you should know that you are wrong especially as my above explanation shows that what is to be eating is not stated as the tithe which is brought. But according to you, it is the tithe, which means we are also to drink strong drink. The same strong drink the bible warns against several times? This shows that those things aren't to be eating by you but offered as sacrifice to God. But you still think it means they will be burnt that same day. No. They will serve as food everyday and only once in a while do they burn them as burnt offering to God.

Strong drink as used several times in the Bible is always accompanied with offering it to God among other sacrifices. How it suddenly became what we are to drink is what baffles me. We are not to drink it because God earned against drinking alcohol in Proverbs 23. He said we shouldn't even look at it. Yet you say we are to drink it. This clearly shows that the other items e.g sheep and oxen listed alongside strong drink are not to be touched when offered as tithe.

gobuchinny:


You lack understanding of scriptures. Which law existed before Moses? Did Abraham observe the sabbath? Did he pay tithe as a normal practice? He paid tithe once and not even from his total wealth but from the bounty he got. The law was written to the Israelites not to the gentiles. That y Paul wrote to the galatians. Someone came and said the gentiles should be circumcised. Do you know there is a covenant of circumcision God made with Abragam which is stronger than tithe? Yet Paul said none sud feel obliged to be circumcised. The law of tithe is for the welfare of the levites and other provisions. There r no levites, there is no temple but we are the temple. This tithe things is because man built their own churches which God does not inhabit hence they need to maintain it. We r not under the law. There is a moral law that everyone is bound by. You dont need anyone to tell you that stealing is wrong, or murdering is wrong. The law was a shadow of the things to come(Jesus). Now that He has come y r u under the law? If you tithe then you must keep the sabbath, you must sacrifice with the blood of animals because you cannot mix the old and new testament. The early church didnt tithe. It was Introduced by the Catholics to tax the people. Google is your friend. If they tithe then the apostles wont have lacked. Paul would have been fat like these thieves on the pulpit. Study your scripture and stop observing the commandment of men

You say the law did not exist in the days of Abraham, yet you say Abraham tithed and circumcized, which are things under the law. You shot yourself in the foot.

The law was not written to the Israelites but to God's people. Only those who aren't God's people kick against the law of God.

The law on tithing wasn't just for the Levites but for God's house. That's why God said the tithe should be brought to his house so that there will be meat in his house. But wicked people like you don't want meat to exist in God's house today.

Since the law is over for you, go and sex your mother tonight.

I don't keep the Sabbath neither do I offer animal sacrifices. This is because the Apostles clearly abolished those ones in the new testament. Now, show me where they abolished tithe. May you be damned if you can't find such. Why will you be damned? Because you have spoke. against tithing when they did not, when the Bible did not and when God did not.

Who told you the apostles lacked anything?

k2money:

Since you are under law, don't tell me you don't have a Muslim as your friend, shebi your Bible says kill infidel. Don't associate with them. A pastor in the lose because people are getting back to their senses. Scammer people. Confess you are a pastor.

Fool, where does the bible say we should kill infidel?

Fo

GLYCOLYSISS:

No ,actually there's nothing God cannot do,but God can't behold iniquity in his paradise & God can never change his standard of holiness, because a mere dust can't be humble enough to seek for sanctification & the Holy Ghost baptism,thereby inventing devilish doctrines that suits there interest.
Without holiness ,no single soul will see God !
Take it or live it,it changes nothing !
Done with these conversation,so take care & have a blissful week ahead.

There are two kind of righteousness: The one man sees and the one on God sees.

The one man sees is the one that involves you doing good works which people can see. That is works.

The one God sees is the one bestowed on you through the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus made you righteous by taking your sins and giving you his own righteousness.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

So, while men may look at you as a sinner, God sees a righteous man. That is why you can enter heaven.

TVSA:


Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

God told them to use it to buy whatever they wanted. Whether sheep or alcohol or oxen. Whatever they "lusted" after. Nothing in the passage talked about any drink offering. The wine was for them, for their enjoyment.

Numbers 28 is talking about another thing entirely. It was about the daily offerings in the tabernacle. Deuteronomy 14 was about the yearly tithe which was celebrated at a particular location chosen by God. Don't miss the two up.

You are funny.

God told them to buy oxen, sheep, wine and strong drink. Where did he say they should eat and drink those things? He only said they should eat food, which means after those things have been sacrificed to God, a portion is given to the priest and another portion is served for everyone to eat.

But you make it seem like God said each individual should eat the oxen, sheep and drink the wine and strong drink he brought. Can one stomach contain all of that?

So clearly, the strong drink just like the sheep and oxen mentioned in Deuteronomy are offered to God.

Even in the Deuteronomy verse, notice the colon( this sign : ) which separates the sentences. This shows that the part that says they should buy sheep and oxen is different from the one that says they should eat. This means God did not say they should drink the strong drink.

gobuchinny:


This is a very weak and lazy submission. Before the law of Moses, man knew what was morally right or wrong. Wasnt Noah's unclothedness uncovered and was it not sin? Was there a law for that? How did Cain know that he sinned after he killed Abel? What did God use to judge sodom and gommorah? Which law? Oga we are not under the law. There is a better covenant it's called the new covenant. The old is done away with. The law of Christ which is re enforced by the epistles is what we r under. You criminals think you are wiser than the apostles or holy spirit that they forgot to mention the importance of ur dirty tithe and first fruits? Continue fooling yourselves

You talk as if the law of Moses was just Moses idea. You forgot that it was Good who gave it to him. That law existed long before Moses was born. Moses only documented it. God had always used that law as standard right from Cain and Abel.

The Apostles need not repeat the law on tithing because it is already well detailed in the new testament. They didn't come to erase the law of God. Since God did not tell them that the law should be discarded, they saw no need to discard it but to continue with it. Since the new testament doesn't record them continuing or discarding it, it is best we continue with it until God says otherwise. since God hasn't said anything different than what he said in the Old Testament about tithing, then it means that what he said back then still holds. Anyone trying to abolish tithing is only speaking when God has not spoken.

TVSA:


God didn't give Israelites wine in the wilderness but he told them to use their tithe money to buy it in Deuteronomy 14:26.

God told them to buy wine or strong drink. He didn't tell them to drink it. It was for what is called drink offering to God.

Numbers 28:7
And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.

k2money:

Oga the verse is about law.
Christians are no longer under law but grace.
Am an agnostic, I don't belief in religion but I love Jesus teaching because it's easy. The pastors make it a burden for gullible people like you.

Since you are no longer under the law, why not break the below law by sleeping with your sister or mother. Mugu.


Leviticus 18:6-7 (KJV)
6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the
LORD.
7 The unclothedness of thy father, or the unclothedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.

LordPsalm:
shut up. That ur quotation is from proverbs. Its old and useless. Christ is our first fruit. 1 cor 15v20...But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the first of a great harvest of all who have died.
Paying tithe n first fruit are UnChristian

Blind bat, stop misquoting the Bible. The first fruit spoken of in the verse you quoted is talking about the first to resurrect not offering. Jesus is the first to resurrect among all those that are dead. It in no way says we don't have to pay first fruit/tithe to God.

1 Corinthians 15:20 (KJV)
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Mcval:
Stop misinterpreting the verses of the Bible to convince people. I'm a wine distributor and I can tell you that there are various qualities of wine, be it alcoholic or non-alcoholic. There are red wines that really taste bad and there are those that taste very good. like wise the non-alcoholic ones. So when you talk about a good wine it's all about the quality and not the type. I'm a Catholic, we've always used alcoholic red wines for Mass right from the days of St. Peter who was the first Pope. You think the church was wrong to have been using it for Mass? You think you know more than the disciples of Jesus Christ abi? Go and tell your pocket pastor who only knew God yesterday to stop brainwashing you. All these 21st century churches with una over Sabi sef.

Just shut up already. I didn't even. know I was arguing with a Catholic aka pagan idol worshipper. Who told you Peter was first pope? Who also told you the catholic church is God's church?

Jesus had nothing to do with alcoholic wine. You couldn't dispute my biblically backed up post, hence this nonsense charade of wine distributor and Catholic church.

maafen:



There is nothing like "Non alcoholic wine" all wines are alcoholic. Those you call non alcoholic are fruit juices.
So if Jesus turned water to wine it's alcoholic and he did it for people to drink not to be stared at or for pigs, it's for humans and he won't do that is it was a sin to drink alcohol.

Let us see if truly all wine mentioned in the Bible are alcoholic. Kindly read the below passage.

John 2:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.


Verse 10 says the bad wine is brought out and served to people after they have WELL DRUNK. The governor of the wedding was surprised that in this case, the good wine was brought out last after people have WELL DRUNK.

To you guys who say it was alcoholic wine that Jesus miraculously gave at the wedding, what you are saying is that when people were totally drunk and wasted, Jesus now gave them MORE. He gave them more so that those who will drive home will have accident.

No buddy, he gave them more fruit juice. Read the passage below which talks about alcoholic wine. Look at how the bi le described it's effect which is exactly how one feels after drinking alcohol


Proverbs 23:31-35
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.


When you say it was alcoholic wine Jesus miraculously turned water into, what you are saying is that Jesus exposed those people to start beholding strange women and say junk as seen in verse 33 above.

Can you now see how wrong you are? The Bible not only kicks against drinking alcohol, it also says we shouldn't look at it as seen in verse 31@bixton @mcval @neddstark

GLYCOLYSISS:

Your problem is that you're already blinded and trying to justify your depraved man.
You're trying to still justify why you sin,even at claiming you're saved .
One thing I know for sure is that you have not experienced the work of sanctification & holy ghost baptism is your life.
Forget that nonchalant bullshit you probable speak during prayer claiming you are speaking in genuine tongue,I know deeply how empty you still feel & how your heart yearns for something deeper.
Be humble,young man,only when you're humble you will stop trying so hard to throw away what is clearly written before you.
Funny enough,you're not even saved !
Yes,you heard me right,you have not genuinely being saved.
First and foremost, soul don't die in general.
The soul of the righteous or the unrighteous don't come to a point where they stop to exist.

When the bible talks about a soul is dead,it's talking about condemnation for eternity, unless the soul repent & turn away from his/her sinful way.
When the bible talks about a soul is alive,it means it's alright with God & heaven bound.
It now understands what God want from humanity & strives to do them.

Jesus blood wash away your future sin
Jesus don't wash away future sins .
It's the sins you have done in the past ,and genuinely ask God for forgive,that He forgives you.
When you're saved & sanctified, the Holy spirit already living in you will quicken your mortal body not to sin again God,but if you happen to fall back to your sins,ask God for forgiveness, He is willing to forgive you.
But when you sin again,refuse to ask Him for forgiveness, with the ideology that his blood have covered your future sins,you shall die.
Your soul stands condemned, until you ask for forgiveness.
You righteousness in the past won't save you,it shall not be remembered at these point,unless you ask for forgiveness.
The Roman verse talked about remission for our sins past,past ! Not for the remission of our sins past & the future.
Even the book of John you quoted was still talking about forgiven sins we have sinned already, if we ask for forgiveness.
The summary of that John verse is these ;

My hearers,since you're saved & sanctified, you know you're not expected to sin,but IF you sin,and genuinely ask God for forgiveness,He is willing to forgive you.

Once more,nothing in the bible supports the doctrine of eternal security ,even from my personal experience, I have come to realised how false these doctrine is.
Of course,you can choose not to humble yourself & seek for genuine salvation & sanctification, choosing a doctrine that satisfy your depraved man,so you justify your attitude.
But remember,even though I 'm not in a better position to talk to you,the soul that sinned shall die !

HEBREW 12:14

12-Follow peace with all men,and holiness,without which no man shall see the lord
1 PETER 1:15-16

As HE which hath called you is Holy,so be ye holy in all manner of conversation, because it's written be ye holy,for I am holy .

He wouldn't be making these demand for total holiness from a saved & sanctified souls if it were impossible to meet it.

Let's go down further,

1 THESSALONIANS 4:7-8

"For God hath not called us unto uncleanliness but unto holiness.

8-He therefore that despiseth ,despiseth not man,but God, who also given unto us His Holy spirit.

What's the essense of the Holy spirit that's given to unto a saved & sanctified man if not for the ability to live a holy life & total consecration to God.
Holiness is still the landmark,and nothing can change that !

Lastly


PROVERBS 30:12

12-There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes,and yet not washed from their filthiness



Take care...

I stopped reading this pile of junk Midway, right were you started saying Jesus blood can't wash away future sins. You have out a limit to what Jesus can do.

Jeremiah 32:27
“Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?

bixton:



There's no point in trying to stress "non alcoholic " wine in the subject matter. Do not add to where the Bible did not.
You can trace from the OT till the coming of Jesus Christ. Everyone who had or owns vineyards produces wine and if you go through the passages, you will see the effect on those who drank it.

It will be nice if you say, alcohol drinking is not good or its a sin, but trying to add to that which is not written in the Holy Bible is more wrong.
If you search the scripture, you will see, the Bible made mention of wine and strong drink. Now these are 2 different categories of alcohol.

John the Baptist is an exception of a no wine drinker, because practically he lived in the desert and not among men.

Wine in the Bible are of two types. When the Buble speaks of wine, it does. ot mean only alcoholic wine. The Bible also speaks of non-alcoholic wine which is fruit juice, exactly what Jesus gave at the wedding in Cana.

No man of God or servant of God drank the alcoholic wine. They only drank the wine called fruit juice.

CHM11:
So many great guys in the bible drank alcohol. Even Jesus too changed water to wine and was known to drink and eat with strangers and sinners. And yes, Jesus drank alcohol that's why some people accused him of being a drunk and a glutton in Mathew 11:19.

Be free from these gods of men. Most of them are empty vessels. Study the word of God yourself, from for a discerning spirit. Nothing is more beautiful than being a free true christian. It is a beautiful religion!!!.

Look at this one. It's people like you I hate. You go about with false doctrine and boast as if that is exactly what the Bible teach. You are even subtly telling people to stay away from pastors. Now let's examine your claim.

Which great guys drank alcohol? Perhaps, you think the word wine means alcohol Everytime it is mentioned.

Jesus didn't drink wine, he was only falsely accused of being a drunkard. Let's see the passage clearly.

Luke 7:33-34 King James Version (KJV)
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

John was only eating locust and wild honey, he didn't like normal food. For that, they said he had a devil. Did John have a devil? No. This means he was falsely accused.

Jesus loved normal food and drink etc eater, non-alcoholic wine, but those false accusers called him a glutton and a drunkard. According to you, because those people accused Jesus if drinking alcohol, then it means he use to drink it. Why not also believe it when they said he was a drunkard and a glutton?

LadyExcellency:
God is not interested in those things.

Holiness and righteousness is God's demand from you.

Matthew 5:23-24
[23]Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
[24]Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Where in the above passage does the Bible say we should never bring our gift to God? Can't you see that the bolded part says we should bring it after we've settled issues? Yet you say God is no longer interested in our offerings.

Guys, see why I shouted at that other fellow. It's the same this one is doing. They sit in one corner and start speaking falsely on how Christianity should be eve when they know nothing about it. Look at the bike statement this one made: God is no longer interested in our offerings. Nonsense.

Skseries:
lol uncle, hypothetical speaking. I don't know ur pastor, I don't know u neither do I want to know either of u. Ur response just show u are filled with alot of anger and u assumed u are an island of Christianity knowledge... Keep fighting for Jesus u wey sabi Bible well..

I'm only angry at people who challenge the word of God with falsehood. The guy was spreading falsehood, so he needed to be rebuked before he successfully deceive the sheep.

Originalsly:


So what should be done with the money?..... and is first fruit about money only?... what about first child?...isn't first child a first fruit?... shouldn't it be offered as well?.... should the pastor keep the child like the money?...or this is different?

Help us learn the right thing and not he mislead. You are free to pretend you didn't read this or are too busy to reply..... that's what Sheeple do.

Go and read the Bible. God would have been collecting first child as first fruit, but he doesn't because he already took the Levites as first fruits from the children of Israel. That was when he made it clear that he won't be collecting first children as first fruits

Numbers 3:12
And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

Skseries:
ppl like u can't give begger 500naira, nor give motherless home anything not even help ur fellow man. But u can carry ur first fruit to a pastor, ppl are dieing in hospital just because little as 50k but ur pastor who rides a private jets command first fruit and out of the little u earn u carry all ur money to him.. B4 u come and start shouting rubbish. I pay my tithe every month, but doesn't mean I will carry all my salary to a pastor. Black mentality oshi

Who told you my pastor flies a private jet? You sound like you know the color of boxers I'm putting on.

GLYCOLYSISS:
Check our these Bible verse that blew open very very foundation of the eternal security doctrine.

ROMAN 3:24-25

24-Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

25-Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,through the forbearance of God.

That very Bible verse gave us the summary of everything you need to know about Christ & his redemptive power.
Christ purpose is to create a better covenant for man & God,act as the mediator ,a high priest & remission of our sins that are past & not our future sins,if we ask for forgiven.

Look, nowhere in that verse does it say the blood of Jesus doesn't cover future sins. The verse below says Jesus is always advicating for us when we sin. This means his blood that took away our past sins is still there for us when we commit new sins.

1John.2:1-2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

EZEKIEL 3:20

20-Again ,when a righteous man doth turn away from his righteousness,and commit iniquity , and I lay a stumbling block before him,he shall die : because thou has not given him warning,he shall die in sin,& his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered, but his blood will I require from thine hand .

I believe these Bible verse gives one the best picture you need to know about salivation & sanctification.
When a saved soul,turns away from God,like the prodigal son turned away from his father,and refused to listen to different warning about his already damning soul,but unlike the prodigal son,who listened & went back to his father & ask for forgiveness,after realising his iniquities,such soul will die !
Not necessarily physical death, to eternal condemnation,if they don't go back to God.

So,stop teaching & preaching these devilish doctrine of eternal security.
It's never biblical..

Where in the verse you quoted does it say the soul of a righteous man will die? You just inserted your own ideology there, thereby saying what the Buble didn't say. Look, God can kill a righteous man as a way of punishing him for sins. But the soul of the righteous man is saved and will go to heaven.

GLYCOLYSISS:
I don't still believe people bought into these devilish doctrine of eternal security.
The problem with eternal security is the preachers knows nothing about the power of sanctification is a believer's life.
Salvation can save you soul,when done genuine,but won't break the power of the flesh in you.
You will still notice yourself struggling with sins even after genuinely accepting Jesus as you lord and saviour.
You still struggle with bisecting sins most likely addictions.
Modern preachers just end the work of God grace in the life of a believer's life at the salvation stage, because they themselves have not experienced the work of sanctification, so inventing the devilish doctrine of eternal security to justify their struggle with sin.
When a true believe tarry & sincerely desire these gift of sanctification,and he or she experiences it,that struggle you have with sin will totally be broken.
You're no longer a slave to sin as the depraved man is after these sanctification experience.
Totally broken.
That's only when you can live a holy life in your work with God.
Yes,you very much can live a holy life with your walk with God by the in dwelling of the holy spirit,,after sanctification experience.
Not a case of self righteous..
Don't get me wrong ,salvation is important in your Christian life,but it's not enough to help you in your Christian journey with God.
Only sanctification can make make the holy spirit dwell in you,not salvation.

Salvation is foundational,sanctification is the ultimate.
Can one lose his salvation & sanctification ?
Of course,that's why you must continue daily to consecrate yourself for the service of God.
You must continue your daily commitment with Him else you grow cold & lose interest in the word of God,and lose the power of the Holy spirit in you.
The prodigal son story even give us a better picture of salvation & work with God.
God is very much willing to save a soul,very much willing,but how willing are you to consecrate yourself for his service ?
Though salvation & sanctification is a gift not man should boast of,available for every one,but for you to experience it,you must desire it sincere & genuinely.
And most important, you must be willing to give up your will for God's will.
The cross is heavy,very heavy,just laughing at people you can't even give up smoking or masturbation for God but still claim they are saved & sanctified.

You are actually the one spreading demonic doctrine. Salvation is of the soul. The soul has been saved but the flesh is weak, that's why one can still sin after salvation. I an bet you that you can't mention the name of a sinless man on Earth today. That's because such doesn't exist. Yet you are here talking about sanctification. Don't you throw out empty bottles of water and Gala nylon out of a moving bus? Don't you know that such is a sin? There are tonnes of sins we commit without even knowing. That's why God sent his Son Jesus to save us because he knows we cannot make heaven based on our own ability not to sin. We will always fail.

One can't lose his salvation because you didn't save yourself. Saying one can lose his salvation army the same as saying Jesus is so weak that he can't keep what he saved. Even earthly banks do a good job in saving our money. If Jesus can't save us forever, then why would anyone want to trust him?

Your doctrine is satanic and belittles Jesus.

chiommy123:
This is the problem. You're encouraging people to continue in their sins cos Christ died for us? While the apostle asked shall we continue in sin that grace may abound but he said God forbid. Anybody that is telling you that your tomorrow sins is forgiven so that you should continue in your sins hates you

God knows we cannot live on Earth withiut sin, that's why he sent Jesus. If it were possible to live without sin, Jesus won't have come.

Can you mention one man who is sinless? No. Even where there is sin, Grace abounds even more. Grace covers our sin.

Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

thesicilian:
We do not get saved by our own works but by grace. Salvation is a gift from God. But not everyone who is saved will eventually get into heaven. There's no seat reservation. Those who remain steadfast in righteousness, continually obeying His word will end up in heaven, but those who backslide and fail to seek repentance, if they die while in sin or being canally minded, may miss heaven.

Did you read the OP at all?

The salvation that Jesus gives is a one time thing. You don't need to keep getting saved again and again. Jesus has paid for all your sins, past, present and future. You are not saved if you believe sin can send you to hell.

John 3:16 says we have eternal life once we believe in Jesus. This means no matter what we do later in life, that eternal life can not be taken from us neither can it end. If it should end because of sin, then it was never eternal. That means God lied when he said he gives us eternal life for believe in Jesus.

You are not saved. May God open your eyes.