I have read two threads created by a deluded wannabe atheist who goes by the id- g1, and found them highly offensive to the sensibilities of both Christians and Muslims and wish for him to be banned on this section.

The offending threads are:

Was Jesus Gay? And was Mohammed A s-e-x maniac?

A love story between Jesus and Moh'd: Part 1

What do you think?

You can never serve God and mormon!

upload pictures please.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RELIGIOUS SECTION AS IT IS GETTING BORING. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT DISCUSSIONS FROM PREVIOUS THREADS ARE NORMALLY BROUGHT UP AGAIN, MAKING THE WHOLE THING REPETITIVE AND BORING.

HOW CAN WE HELP SORT THIS OUT?

Thou shalt live within thy means!

manmustwac:

what about agnostic or athiest

Same thing goes.

Abuzola !:

Olodo. Translation means to interprete while version means to upgrade.

Get the difference

This post goes a long way to expose your illiteracy, almajiri.

muhsin:

Nezan, we've not exchanged words for ages. What's amiss?

Nothing spoil, Muhsin. Office just got busier.

alimat 2:

, i no fit shout oooo. No bi guy door ooooo

I no believe you-o . . . okay which door you dey always dey close to? I wan know, abeg.

What is the difference between translation and version? Is it not the various translations that are referred to as versions? Illiterate almajiri.

@alimat; Which guy's door are you always close to? You no want make the guy rest?

The koran also has many versions and is most unreliable.


This is what Muslim and non-Muslim scholars say about the known variations/versions within the Qur’an being used in the world today:


• "owing to the fact that the kufic script in which the Koran was originally written contained no indication of vowels or diacritical points, variant readings are recognized by Muslims as of equal authority." (N.J. Dawood, The Koran, Middlesex, England: Penguin Books, 1983, p 10, introduction to Dawood’s translation of the Koran)

• "Lists of the differences between the two transmissions are long, , (however) The simple fact is that none of the differences, whether vocal (vowel and diacritical points) or graphic (basic letter), between the transmission of Hafs and the transmission of Warsh has any great effect on the meaning. Many are differences which do not change the meaning at all, and the rest are differences with an effect on meaning in the immediate context of the text itself, but without any significant wider influence on Muslim thought. One difference (Q. 2/184) has an effect on the meaning that might conceivably be argued to have wider ramifications." (Adrian Brockett, `The Value of the Hafs and Warsh transmissions for the Textual History of the Qur'an', Approaches to the History of the Interpretation of the Qur'an, ed. Andrew Rippin; Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1988, p 34,37)


• "the Reading of Abu `Amr in the version of al-Duri , prevails in the Sudan, Nigeria, and Central Africa." (Labib as-Said, The Recited Koran: A History of the First Recorded Version, tr. B. Weis, et al, Princeton, New Jersey: The Darwin Press, 1975, p. 84)


(C)ertain variant readings existed and, indeed, persisted and increased as the Companions who had memorised the text died, and because the inchoate (basic) Arabic script, lacking vowel signs and even necessary diacriticals to distinguish between certain consonants, was inadequate. , In the 4th Islamic century, it was decided to have recourse (to return) to "readings" (qira'at) handed down from seven authoritative "readers" (qurra'); in order, moreover, to ensure accuracy of transmission, two "transmitters" (rawi, pl. ruwah) were accorded to each. There resulted from this seven basic texts (al-qira'at as-sab', "the seven readings", each having two transmitted versions (riwayatan) with only minor variations in phrasing, but all containing meticulous vowel-points and other necessary diacritical marks. , The authoritative "readers" are:


Nafi (from Medina; d.169/785)
Ibn Kathir (from Mecca; d.119/737)
Abu `Amr al-'Ala' (from Damascus; d.53/770)
Ibn `Amir (from Basra; d.118/736)
Hamzah (from Kufah; d.156/772)
al-Qisa'i (from Kufah; d.189/804)
Abu Bakr `Asim (from Kufah; d.158/778)


The predominant reading today, spread by Egyptian Koran readers, is that of `Asim in the transmission (riwayah) of Hafs (d. 190/805). In Morocco, however, the reading is that of Nafi` in the riwayah of Warsh (d. 197/812) and Maghrebin Korans are written accordingly. (Cyril Glassé, The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1989, p 324)


20 versions of the Qur’an!

Here is a list of the ten readers, each of which have two versions

The Readers and their Transmitted Versions

The Reader The Transmitter

"The Seven" readers

Nafi` Warsh
Qalun

Ibn Kathir al-Bazzi
Qunbul

Abu `Amr al-'Ala' Al-Duri
al-Suri

Ibn `Amir Hisham
Ibn Dhakwan

Hamzah Khalaf
Khallad

al-Qisa'i al-Duri
Abu'l-Harith

Abu Bakr `Asim Hafs
Ibn `Ayyash

"The Three" readers

Abu Ja`far Ibn Wardan
Ibn Jamaz

Ya`qub al-Hashimi Ruways
Rawh

Khalaf al-Bazzar Ishaq
Idris al-Haddad

There are even more Readers than these but these are considered the most authoritative.




"What is said about Al-Mutaawwilin (those who form wrong opinions of disbelief about their Muslim brothers). Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard Hisham bin Al-Hakim reciting Surat-al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (SAW). I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited it in several different ways which Allah's Apostle (SAW) had not taught me. So I was about to jump over him during his prayer but I waited till he finished his prayer whereupon I put, either his upper garment or my upper garment, around his neck and seized him by it and asked him, "Who has taught you this Sura?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle (SAW) has taught it to me." I said (to him), "You have told a lie! By Allah, Allah's Apostle (SAW) has taught me this Sura which I have heard you reciting." So I dragged him, to Allah's Apostle (SAW), I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have heard this man reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way which you have not taught me, and you did teach me Surat-al-Furqan." On that Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "O Umar, release him! Recite, O Hisham." So Hisham recited before him in the way as I had heard him reciting. Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "It has been revealed like this." Then Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "Recite O Umar." So I recited it. The Prophet (SAW) said, "It has been revealed like this." And then he added, "This Quran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite it which ever way easier for you." (See Hadith No. 514 Vol. 6) Vol. 9 - Apostates - Chapter 9 27/30)

To me, it matters . . . if I were still single, I wouldnt fall in love with a muslim until she recants!

Must we deceive? am shocked even Tudor is pointing accusing fingers. Come out and confess, Tudor boy.

Abu Zola:

@nezan- you are an old fool, when we say something is corrupt it doesn't mean it lack an oita of truth. The bible contain a few truth e.g don't steal, kill, cheat etc but majority of the bible words are lies which were fabricated

Listen to yourself, 'young wise fool', since you have access to the uncorrupted bible, why not let us see it? deluded slaves!

The same silly old arguments!

muslim: The Bible is corrupt
Christian: Why do you say that?
muslim: Because koran says so. . .

. . the next day . . .

muslim: Bible confirms the messengership of mohammed
Christian: But you said the Bible is corrupt
muslim: <keeps quiet>

NL religious section is becoming such a bore!

alimat 2:

^^^^^^ Dis is pure contrary

u said jesus is God and d same time God gave him power, he can do d same as God,

Then who is Greater ?

The same old stupid arguments

Muslim: Show me in the Bible where Jesus say He is God
Christian: <quotes many biblical verses>
Muslim: No, it is copy and paste, you have copied from a website . . .


. . . and the stupid arguments continue . . . . . . mschewwwwwwwwww!

Immediately you sign to NL religious section, you are greeted with abuzola's useless and meaningless posts . . . mschewwwwwwwww!

Too bad

Why not?

^^^^ Why is it that muslims tend to deny they own?

What men do for money

Fii - Dee - Fii!!!!

Fower zu za Feffle!!

When will Iwu do things right?

Sack Amodu now!!

Let every Minister who is dissatisfied with the status quo resign and see what will happen.

Though am not a football addict, a friend once told me that those rankings are done bearing in mind:

1. Past performances.

2. Youth soccer achievements.

3. Women soccer achievements, e.t.c.

So when you aggregate this, you will not deny Nigeria that positioning. It is not solely based on Super Eagles' performance.

Superiority chart of muslims in Nigeria in decreasing order:

                                                      / Fulani muslims    \

                                                    /  Hausa muslims        \

                                                  /  Other Northern muslims\

                                                /Yoruba muslims                    \

                                              /Ibo muslims                               \

                                           / Other southern muslims                 \

Hmmmmm,

Islam
Al-qaeda
Nigeria + sick presido!

OnyinyeGod:

God pls hear my prayer, i want Dr. Chris Ngige to win this election, u said that anything we ask in your name, that u Lord are going to do it even more that we ask, this is my request and i know u will do it for me. Forgive him for the wrong things he had done before, coming in through the back door in 2003. But Jesus i bless your name because u said in your word that if we can confess our sin that u lord is going to hear us and forgive us and also heal our land.

Ngige your victory is sure, u deserve the mandate, gooooooooo may Jesus be with U and crown u success in this comming gubernatorial election on 6th Feb, 2010.

Now, what concerns this request with this funny request:

Dereformer:

@onyinyeGod

Dr Chris Ngige has already won the election. Please can i have your phone number

Some boys are just plain funny

I wonder what is wrong with this Tudor guy (or girl).