The 10 commandments is presented in the bible in three different places. The first set of commandments presented in Exodus 20 were the first commandments given to Moses by God on Mt. Sinai. But the tablets on which the commandments had been written by God's own hands were broken into pieces by Moses on his descent from the mountain. He went back up the mountain and God presented him with another set to replace the tablets he had smashed. The second set is given in Exodus 34, with a retelling in Deut 5; I have given them below for your own perusal.


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[tr][td]Exodus 20[/td][td]Exodus 34[/td] [td]Deut 5[/td][/tr]

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1 And God spoke all these words:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 "You shall have no other gods before me.

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.

13 "You shall not murder.

14 "You shall not commit adultery.

15 "You shall not steal.

16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance

19 and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."

20 Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning."

21 The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.
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1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain.

3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain."

4 So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands.

5 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the LORD.

6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,

7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped.

9 "O Lord, if I have found favor in your eyes," he said, "then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance."

10 Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you.

11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.

12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you.

13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.

14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 "Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices.

16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 "Do not make cast idols.

18 "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 "The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock.

20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
"No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 "Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 "Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign LORD, the God of Israel.

24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the LORD your God.

25 "Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.

26 "Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.
"Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."

27 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.
The Radiant Face of Moses

29 When Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the Testimony in his hands, he was not aware that his face was radiant because he had spoken with the LORD.

30 When Aaron and all the Israelites saw Moses, his face was radiant, and they were afraid to come near him.

31 But Moses called to them; so Aaron and all the leaders of the community came back to him, and he spoke to them.

32 Afterward all the Israelites came near him, and he gave them all the commands the LORD had given him on Mount Sinai.

33 When Moses finished speaking to them, he put a veil over his face.

34 But whenever he entered the LORD's presence to speak with him, he removed the veil until he came out. And when he came out and told the Israelites what he had been commanded,

35 they saw that his face was radiant. Then Moses would put the veil back over his face until he went in to speak with the LORD.
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1 Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, O Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them.

2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Horeb.

3 It was not with our fathers that the LORD made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

4 The LORD spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain.

5 (At that time I stood between the LORD and you to declare to you the word of the LORD, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:

6 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

7 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

11 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

12 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you.

13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do.

15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

16 "Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the LORD your God is giving you.

17 "You shall not murder.

18 "You shall not commit adultery.

19 "You shall not steal.

20 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

21 "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor's house or land, his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

22 These are the commandments the LORD proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me. [/td]
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What the keen observer would notice is that these two sets of commandments do not match up, as would be expected if the second set was meant as a replacement of the first set (Ex 34: 1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. ). Did God change his mind about what constituted his laws in the intervening time? Did God lose his memory? What happened to the laws on killing, theft and perjury?. These are missing in the second set - have they been repealed?

The tenth commandments in the second set (Ex. 34: 26) cautious against cooking a young goat in its mother's milk. For goodness sake, who might have wanted to do that? And why do we need this bizarre commandment?

Apparently, the Ark of the Covenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant) would have held the second set of commandments, the one devoid of the injunction of killing (homicide), theft and perjury. Given the reverence the Jews had for the Ark, does this not suggest that the Exodus 34 commandments should have precedence over the Exodus 20 commandments? Why is it that the Exodus 20 commandments are often quoted by Christians as representing the moral basis for the Christian life when ironically the Jews did not observed them?

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The commandments are exodus 20, not the other 2

Exodus 34 and Deut 5 were commandments giving to moses for him to follow. Not for the israelites to live by.

SeanT21:

The commandments are exodus 20, not the other 2

Exodus 34 and Deut 5 were commandments giving to moses for him to follow. Not for the israelites to live by.

But Ex 20 are the ones he smashed. And Ex 34 are the replacements. That is what my bible says.

anyone knows which 10 commandments to follow?

at therationa

you follow all the 10 commandments!!

I will read into that about the replacements and so forth

@therationa

Your biblical scholarship is not impressive. You can do better than this.

imhotep:

@therationa

Your biblical scholarship is not impressive. You can do better than this.

You are absolutely correct about my biblical scholarship. Am an interested layman. So I tend to see the bible simple in black and white as it is given on the page.

I could fail but notice two sets of commandments. Can you explain why some commandments are missing from the 2nd set and why the 2nd set has some new and bizarre commandments?

The second set would have been the one in the Ark, correct? Then why do we retain the 1st set, given the Ark was the covenant that God had with his people?

therationa:

You are absolutely correct about my biblical scholarship. Am an interested layman. So I tend to see the bible simple in black and white as it is given on the page.

I could fail but notice two sets of commandments. Can you explain why some commandments are missing from the 2nd set and why the 2nd set has some new and bizarre commandments?

The second set would have been the one in the Ark, correct? Then why do we retain the 1st set, given the Ark was the covenant that God had with his people?

You can start by checking Wikipedia to get a balanced view of things -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_commandments

imhotep:

You can start by checking Wikipedia to get a balanced view of things -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_commandments

You called that a balanced view? It make little or no mention of the 2nd set of commandments in Ex 34. All it says was that there was a 2nd set which replace the 1st, and that the 2nd set was place in the Ark.

So which has priority, 2nd or 1st?

What are your views or have you never thought of this issue?

Did God know Moses was going to smash the 1st set of commandments? Just a thought

Please Thetayiona, you strike me as an incredibly intelligent perosn. What surprises me is that you decided to use your intelligence for the anti christianity campaign. Why cant you take a break from this and do something more meaninigful.

Ujujoan:

Please Thetayiona, you strike me as an incredibly intelligent perosn. What surprises me is that you decided to use your intelligence for the anti christianity campaign. Why can't you take a break from this and do something more meaninigful.

I concur. Wonder why he's got so much bitterness toward both Christians and non-christians alike. I wonder if his life has any spiritual meaning or purpose at all.I'm sad for him,really.

Anyone to try this one now?

It would be interesting to see you identify what exactly is the 10 Commandments.

syrup:

It would be interesting to see you identify what exactly is the 10 Commandments.

Why is it for me to do that. I do not subscribe to this reprehensible dogmatic text from nomadic tribesmen from the desert. Your worldview is built around this text, so it behooves you to master the material, if you want to be reasonable and intelligent about your religion.

If you want to be spoon-fed, the so-called 10 commandments are given in Ex20, Ex34 and Deut 5. Interestingly, Ex20 is never referred to as commandments in the bible. But Ex34 is, as per the below;


11 But you, on your part, must keep the commandments I am giving you today. "I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
12 Take care, therefore, not to make a covenant with these inhabitants of the land that you are to enter; else they will become a snare among you.
13 1 Tear down their altars; smash their sacred pillars, and cut down their sacred poles.

Once again, see the action of your loving god, ethnically cleansing a piece of land to install the Jews on it.

@huxley,

huxley:

Why is it for me to do that. I do not subscribe to this reprehensible dogmatic text from nomadic tribesmen from the desert.

I asked a simple question, but by the day you come across as someone who actually has nothing intelligent to offer. Is it such a demand upon your person to get over this overwheening pride of yours and seek rather to put across your view points quite simply? You actually convince me that you fit precisely the image of those who have adviced already that you have nothing intelligent to say. It's all up to you to prove them wrong by acting grown up.

huxley:

Your worldview is built around this text, so it behooves you to master the material, if you want to be reasonable and intelligent about your religion.

So far, I have tried to be reasonable - that is why I stated my question simply and responsibly. You have a problem with that? Or am I to be even more impressed that you own worldview makes a sorry and vexed soul with such hubris?

huxley:

If you want to be spoon-fed, the so-called 10 commandments are given in Ex20, Ex34 and Deut 5. Interestingly, Ex20 is never referred to as commandments in the bible.

A simple question put across to you should not mean that I am asking to be spoon-fed. Between the three passages you offered, I wanted a simple outline from you as to where you had questions. If that was too much an exercise for you, I apologise. However, your pride is not to be mistaken as intelligence.

huxley:

But Ex34 is, as per the below;


11 But you, on your part, must keep the commandments I am giving you today. "I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
12 Take care, therefore, not to make a covenant with these inhabitants of the land that you are to enter; else they will become a snare among you.
13 1 Tear down their altars; smash their sacred pillars, and cut down their sacred poles.

Once again, see the action of your loving god, ethnically cleansing a piece of land to install the Jews on it.

How does that cut out the portion of what I asked as per the 10 Commandments? I'm sorry huxley, but this is actually a sad discovery to find that you have no handle on simple comprehension. My question was simple enough:

syrup:

It would be interesting to see you identify what exactly is the 10 Commandments.

Since you could not do so, it leaves much to see how you demonstrate your intelligence.


Cheers.

syrup:

@huxley,

I asked a simple question, but by the day you come across as someone who actually has nothing intelligent to offer. Is it such a demand upon your person to get over this overwheening pride of yours and seek rather to put across your view points quite simply? You actually convince me that you fit precisely the image of those who have adviced already that you have nothing intelligent to say. It's all up to you to prove them wrong by acting grown up.

So far, I have tried to be reasonable - that is why I stated my question simply and responsibly. You have a problem with that? Or am I to be even more impressed that you own worldview makes a sorry and vexed soul with such hubris?

A simple question put across to you should not mean that I am asking to be spoon-fed. Between the three passages you offered, I wanted a simple outline from you as to where you had questions. If that was too much an exercise for you, I apologise. However, your pride is not to be mistaken as intelligence.

How does that cut out the portion of what I asked as per the 10 Commandments? I'm sorry huxley, but this is actually a sad discovery to find that you have no handle on simple comprehension. My question was simple enough:
Since you could not do so, it leaves much to see how you demonstrate your intelligence.


Cheers.

Ha well.

I have not made any claims about being intelligent or proud. There goes another logical fallacy. Because I raise questions about these text, you are presuming that I claim to be intelligent. Are these questions not obvious to any open and fair-minded person? I had trouble with this at about the age of 10 when I first came across these multiple versions of the commandments. And I am not intelligent. Can you imagine what I might have found out if I was intelligent and proud?

I simply asked, which set of 10 commandments should take precedent and why are they different. And I get all this ad homenims.

Imagine you had a 10 year old child who asked the same questions, viz;

1) Why are there given in three sections of the bible?
2) Why are they not the same?
3) Why are we downplaying one set (Ex34)?

What would you say?


Please, let's get back to the question and avoid making personal attacks or praise. I would rather that my intelligence/pride/etc/etc NOT be the subject of the debate. Any valid arguments should stand or fall on its merit (not on the merits/dismerit of the messenger)

Note: If I attack a text for being reprehensible, that does not mean I am attacking you personally. You should learn to make that distinction. I think by and large you are a descent person. However I do not think that the text your are defending is a good book.

@huxley,

huxley:

Ha well.

I have not made any claims about being intelligent or proud. There goes another logical fallacy. Because I raise questions about these text, you are presuming that I claim to be intelligent. Are these questions not obvious to any open and fair-minded person?

Ah, I see. Should it be logical to assume that you come across as an unintelligent person? If your syllogism works, excusing yourself on a no-claims bonus does not add value to your queries.

huxley:

I had trouble with this at about the age of 10 when I first came across these multiple versions of the commandments. And I am not intelligent.

It's not my worry that you present yourself as unintelligent - which logically throws out your jurisdiction to query others on issues you haven't clearly outlined.

huxley:

Can you imagine what I might have found out if I was intelligent and proud?

I could well imagine - at this age, I believe you have moved on and added several more years above 10! Is it any better now?

huxley:

I simply asked, which set of 10 commandments should take precedent and why are they different. And I get all this ad homenims.

Simply, I asked for an outline - either way, you could just offer one or decline. That should have set us beyond this. These endless complaints are not adding substance to your arguments. You only quoted full chapters - I asked simply that you deduced from the chapters which actually are the decalogue. A simple request - too difficult already?

huxley:

Imagine you had a 10 year old child who asked the same questions,

I know many 10 year olds who understand simple request - they would not make endless complaints. . . not even beyond that age.

huxley:

viz;

1) Why are there given in three sections of the bible?
2) Why are they not the same?
3) Why are we downplaying one set (Ex34)?

What would you say?

This is what I would say:

1) Let's outline them together, shall we?
2) Which do you think are not the same?
3) How do you come to that inference?

On top of that, I'm sure the 10 year-old would seek to discuss each issue - not brashly cut lose in his tongue and then come back complaining.

huxley:

Please, let's get back to the question and avoid making personal attacks or praise.

I did not seek to attack you - I started by asking a question. Your response was hardly an answer.

huxley:

I would rather that my intelligence/pride/etc/etc NOT be the subject of the debate. Any valid arguments should stand or fall on its merit (not on the merits/dismerit of the messenger)

Which was why I started out focusing on the QUESTION! I did not seek to examine your IQ - I asked a question.

huxley:

Note: If I attack a text for being reprehensible, that does not mean I am attacking you personally.

If I attack an irresponsible response, that does not mean I am directly attacking you - yes?

huxley:

You should learn to make that distinction.

I did.

huxley:

I think by and large you are a descent person. However I do not think that the text your are defending is a good book.

I want to believe same applies to you. I have tried to present issues calmly and responsibly, and I believe you have cherish philosophies. How would you take me if I started out by drawing conclusions already about your own worldview and kept refusing to lead on into discussing why I feel that way?

I have longed for simple neighbour dialogue. If that cannot be offered, dear huxley it's not something to be irate about.

Cheers.

Any exegetical light to shine on this one?

Try combining all so that you will have 20 commandments (or more).

Trust me, it will do you (huxley) a lot of good.

Which 10 Commandments?

Huxley huxley, how you dey?

please we are waiting for you at the "eve and the serpent" thread

Which of these commandments did Jesus fulfil?

Which Ten Commandment are binding on Christians? Those in Ex20 or those in Ex34?

Huxley whats the problem with the 10 commandments? Thou shall not kill but the biblical God wanted to kill moses his best friend.

bindex:

Huxley whats the problem with the 10 commandments? Thou shall not kill but the biblical God wanted to kill moses his best friend.

Did you read my main post? if not, go back and read it. I submit that the 10 commandments that should be binding does not contain the injunction not to kill. here is a summary of the commandments in Ex34:

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).

2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.

4. All the first-born are mine.

5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.

9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.



Had god lost his mind between giving these replacements and the first set of commandments in Ex20?

huxley:

Did you read my main post? if not, go back and read it. I submit that the 10 commandments that should be binding does not contain the injunction not to kill. here is a summary of the commandments in Ex34:

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).

2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.

4. All the first-born are mine.

5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.

9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.



Had god lost his mind between giving these replacements and the first set of commandments in Ex20?

Moses changed his mind. I wonder why people believe in jewish laws as God's laws.

God wasn't technologically advanced yet, that's why he was writing on stone tablets.

I hearby give him another nickname Yahweh the Stone Age Dictator

Dios:

God wasn't technologically advanced yet, that's why he was writing on stone tablets.

I hearby give him another nickname Yahweh the Stone Age Dictator

don't annoy him because he will send you to hell or try to kill you the way he tried to kill his best friend moses.

The first commandment is You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.

The second commandment is You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

You can forget the other 9 and if you think it's 20 commandement forget the remaining 18.

Which of the 10 commandments should one seek to understand?

Nigeria should be ashamed of itself. What ever happened to human rights and the freedom of choice and expression? Nigerian government wants to rule the hearts and minds of its citizens and this amounts to oppression for their large lgbtq community and heterosexuals. We’ve just seen the reemergence of Hitler’s Nazism in Nigeria and the UK, US and all self-respectable countries should cut off all aid and trade with Nigeria. How backwards! I know plenty of Nigerian gays and lesbians, people who work hard to make a living against that oppressive government. It will come to the point when the Anglican church is giving men, women, and children machetes to kill homosexuals, GENOCIDE! But they don’t know they will be killing their own children and parents. That is the break down of family values, what the church is doing, and if the pope were any God-fearing man he would educate himself and condemn Nigeria, too. As an English professor who understands the necessity of people to think and associate freely, I truly hope the world leaves Nigeria to live in its own squalor.