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raumdeuter:
Leave story, Take Messi away from Barca and put Hazard, Neymar will become the star of the team and Hazard will never have 30 goals

Hazard isnt anywhere on the echelon of Messi, He isnt even close to neymar.

For Belgium we see him play with Lukau and KdB yet never fails to deliver that hot pile of garbage anytime

What is this?

Behave yourself na?

dopeJemi:
do you have another instance? we could decide to use YouTube, best of neymar, messi and hazard and you will see that the difference is clear like 7up

Stop comparing Neymar to Hazard or Messi.

Messi and Hazard dribble the exact same way, which is stop and start. Neymar is the one that does tricks

Hazard and Messi just ran past their markers

raumdeuter:
Did any of these attackers win Golden boot before Nani? Could it be that the quality of Nani assists were making them to excel while the poor quality of Hidden Hazard assists were dulling his strikers

Take away Hidden hazard from Chelsea put prime Nani with Fabregas behind COsta and watch him rake 30 goals

What nonsense.

Berbatov had already done back to back 20+ goals in England. So doing it again that season was nothing new to him. Berbatov was a hot boy.

Prime Nani my azz. Immediately after that 2011/2012 season, he was relegated straight to the bench at the age of just 25, and later chased back to Portugal.

Nani ko, Mcphee ni.

raumdeuter:
When it was Pedro and Villa occupying the defender and Fabregas supplying the passes was Messi not scoring that 30 goals? Now Hazard cant score his own when he has the same Pedro and Costa and the same Fabregas

Yes because Diego Costa is in the same league as that David Villa, or Xavi and Iniesta are the same as Matic and Kante.

dopeJemi:
I have seen messi turn players like eba, skill is not just legovers

Go and Ask Smalling what Hazard turned him like.

raumdeuter:
Nani spent 1 season with Saha, Nanis best seasons were when Ronaldo and Tevez were no longer in the team

Rooney and Bernatov are now the attacking luminaries that helped Nani make double digit assists?

2010/2011 Berbatov won EPL golden boot. 2011/2012 Rooney scored 27 league goals

It's not a coincidence that those two seasons were Nani's best seasons in EPL. When you're playing with hot attackers, how won't you have assists?

afrodoc2:
Hazard is not near Messi.
The difference of 30 goals a year between them is not due to mentality alone.
Hazard is like Messi the same way Davidson Ezinwa is like Usain Bolt

Let Messi come and score 30 goals for this Chelsea team make I see.

You think it's beans to have Neymar and Suarez occupying defenders? Or the likes of Iniesta and Rakitic spraying passes upandan?



Let's start by acknowledging that Hazard has almost zero supporting cast.

raumdeuter:
Actually Nani was getting his double digit assists when Ronaldo and tevez had left Man utd, So find another excuse

Yes, but he was playing with the golden boot winner Berbatov, and a super hot Rooney at the time.

airmark:
With effective rooney, hernandez and even berbatov there to bury his assists. Use your brain mr man.

I just tire for the guy.

Saha, Rooney, Berbatov, Ronaldo, Tevez.

That time when Manyoo dey hot. He won't remember that fearsome attack now.

Compare to Hazard, Old Etoo, Old Drogba, Costa, Pedro, WillIan, etc.

What kind of foolish comparison is this sef?

dopeJemi:
I was watching neymar(in Santos) vs hazard.. omo see wetin neymar use footballers eye see, mouth no fit talk am

it got to hazard's turn, and all he did was run and stop

How many legover have you seen Messi throw?

raumdeuter:
For 3 consecutive seasons Nani was doing double digits assists in the league alone.

Hazard has only managed double digit assist once in his EPL career

Nani was playing with Ronaldo, Tevez and Prime Rooney.

Hazard is playing with Pedro and a Brazilian/Spanish lunatic.

Use your eyes and pree the raw numbers. See the amount of key passes Hazard is creating and compare to Nani.


Nani ko, Toto ni.

afrodoc2:
Surprised you are toeing this line too.
Skill wise alone Messi is up there with top 2-4 who ever laced them up not to talk of his goals.
But what skill are we even talking about ?
Can hazard drimble like okocha or vikash dhorasoo lol ?
Messi's pace, dribbling, passing ,vertical play and finishing combo of skills is unparalleled in football.
Please if you talking about skill let us know if you mean the productive type or stop-start drimbling.

Hazard is very similar to Messi. Very very similar. Forget story, if that boy is playing with attackers and midfielders that are on par with what Messi has a Barca, you will see it gidigba.

This dude created the most chances in the league 2 straight seasons in a row. Even now he's making more key passes per game than Messi. Forget story.

You think if Hazard had the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Benzema and Bale running around and occupying defenders, he won't ball gaga?

The fact that Mourinho setup his entire team around containing hazard tells you a lot. Hazard IS Chelsea's attack right now.

raumdeuter:
You mean Hazard can match Messi for skill? If we limit skill to beating people from a standing position Hazard is 100yrs behind Messi and even Ronaldo, It seems people have forgotten what Ronaldo was doing or what he can do before he changed his game

Hazard is even far behind guys like Neymar in skill not to mention guys like those 2

Around 2004 people used to watch ball to see the number of guys Ronaldo at 19-20yrs will disgrace, It was on a level Hidden Hazard hasnt come close to even at his peak 26yrs

And I agree with weedtaker skillwise Nani shiitss on Hazard

Not even in Nani's prime between 2010 and 2011 did he ever come close to Hazard.

If a dude smoking weed mixed with evostik said that, I don't need to respond...but you? I weak.

afrodoc2:
Which yeye ability are you people talking about?
Ronaldo and Messi are unusual beings.
No matter how many shots or runs or how selfish Hazard becomes he will never be in the vicinity of these guys at their best.
What Elite strikers like Shevy, Henry, Suarez and Lewandowski can't do is what you want Hidden Hazard to do ?

In the history of the game how many non no 9s have scored goals like CR7 and Messi , right from the days of 2-3-5 formation ?
Comparing a local champion even a talented one with All time greats is blasphemous.

Skill wise o, Hazard can match those two. I firmly believe that.

That guy has the ability mehn. He just has an issue with his mentality.

Ibime:
Most times Hazard will not make that run in the first place.

He needs to learn those runs from Raumdeuter, and by that I mean Thomas Muller, not Apari.

Messi had to dribble 2 guys to take the shot though. It's not like he ran into open space.

Ibime:
Are you willing to bet that if we count Messis goals, we wont find 20 first time finishes? Yesterday was one, just by making the right run.

When Neymar is dribbling, Messi is making the run. When Messi is dribbling, Neymar will be making the run.

Dropping deep doesn't mean he doesn't make the run. It even helps him arrive late like yesterday, or like Alli has been doing all season.

I'm not discounting that at all. I'm just pointing out the difference between Hazard and Messi.

I think the second line of your post hits the nail on the head. Nobody else at Chelsea is doing the creative work, except maybe Fabregas and Willian, and neither of them is a starter. Apart from hazard, nobody else in that first 11 wants to hold the ball and create chances, they all just run a lot off the ball, and so hazard believes that he must assume that mantle. maybe if donkey Matic was good enough...

If you look at the Shooting Stats, you'll see that Neymar and Messi are shooting a lot more from outside the box(1.3 and 2.2 shots respectively) than Hazard is(0.7 shots), so it's not really positional runs that are improving the volume of their shots. Those dudes just like to shoot a lot, whereas Hazard likes to pass.

Messi's first goal yeterday, you know that Hazard would have try to square the ball to Costa or someone else.

That guy needs more slaps to make him more ruthless in front of goal.

Ibime:
I believe 20 years of living in UK puts me in a better position to know which award is top dog or not. I don't have any sporting interest except football or boxing, so I should know which is which after 20 years. If you like, you can ask Nihilist or Nateevs.

I don't know how EPL football is packaged for you abroad, maybe the sponsors put their name over the whole thing, but PFA is THE main award. Premier League award is only used for monthly award and is not referenced as anything of significance for the yearly award.

This is actually true. PFA award is the main award here in UK and covers down to League 2 I think.

Ibime:
If you count the number of first-time finishes for Messi, Ororo etc, I am sure you will find a 20 goal difference to Hazard.

Robben is a special case, but then Robben scores maybe 5 goals more than Hazard a season. Robben is more efficient at dribble and shoot, but the major difference between Ororo, Messi, even Alli and Griezman vs Hazard is that they also get the easy goals from running behind which Hazard doesn't.

Messi and Neymar don't run in behind that much. I don't know if you've been watching barca this season, but on the Barca thread you will see many Barca fans saying Messi is playing in central midfield these days. That's how deep he's coming to collect the ball.

Neymar also stays posted wide and then runs with the ball at his full back. You don't often see neymar making off the ball runs in behind.

That's why Neymar, Messi, and Hazard have such high dribble per game numbers - 5.6.,3.7 and 4.8 respectively. Because they always have to beat the men in front of them before they can shoot.

Suarez that does most of the running off the ball at Barca makes only 1 dribble per game. 0.4 in the UCL.

The difference is that while Neymar takes 3.5 shots per game, and Messi takes 5.3 shots per game....Hazard only takes 2.1 shots per game.

That's what Fabregas is talking about.

Ibime:
The Messis and CR7s, Neymar, Suarez and Bales are there based on stats, don't let that fool you. If CR7 or Messi score only 15 goals next season, they will lose their crown, it's that simple. That's who Hazard is competing with. What you call "stats" are actually game-winning goals and assists. Eunuch is the only special case whose case is different. He is blessed and highly favoured.

Hazard must improve his runs. Hardly will you see Hazard scoring tapins, or goals where he only needs one touch. Most of his goals involve dribbling a man or two before finishing. Until he starts making those runs he should forget comparison with the top dogs. Pedro is about to outscore him two seasons in a row without penalties.

You will hardly see the likes of Messi, Neymar, Robben et al, running off the ball and waiting for tapins.
These are players who like to get on the ball, collecting it in deeper areas and running at their opponents.

The difference between Messi, Neymar, Robben on one hand and Hazard on the other, is that the first group of players will dribble two players and shoot. Hazard will dribble two players and pass the ball.

CR7 and Suarez does not play the same game as Messi and Neymar. You hardly see Ororo running with the ball like Messi and Neymar. Ororo barely even attempts takeons these days.

airmark:
The emboldened is not true. Fabegas was not talking about final passes. There are moments hazard would pass balls to the person who gives the final assist to the goal scorer when he could have done it all alone and score. Also how did you expect hazard to have 40 asists with costa and others misfiring from all cylinders in a league most teams park buses? I can list more than 30 final passes from hazard, 15 of which stars in barca and real would have buried. Fab was trying to let him know he could do it alone. Ronaldo is one of the most selfish players in the game but people overlook this area because he has mastered it well as he put the selfishness into great use. This is what fab was telling hazard that with time he could reach such perfection. Ask most strikers, they would tell you their coaches had told them to be selfish in front of goals in training. The mentality made hazard to score that goal against arsenal not waiting for strikers to get into positions and pass. Fab is a professional footballer and i understand where he's coming from, i am not surprised you couldn't relate with his point of view. Trust me those who have played football at top level will tell you fab was right.

I actually made this point about Hazard at the start of the season and it's very true. Hazard needs to be more selfish in his game. Unfortunately, he somehow feels that he carrys the burden of creating chances for the team.

If hazard chose to pass less and shoot more, he would be unstoppable. Statistically the main difference between Hazard and Messi/Ronaldo is the volume and rate of shots. Everything else is not so disimmilar

raumdeuter:
You are forgiven son, Go and sin no more.

Come back first, preach the Gospel of Messi everywhere you go especially to nihilist

Ororo is better than Messi.

Goodnight y'all

bykebyke:
He put up his name at the fücking Bernabeu.


Iconic.

That celebration was badass though. I don't know why Ororo didn't think of that first. No doubt, the God of Football has something more spectacular planned for his devotees next outing m.

Ororo likes a challenge.

Why score tonight and cop the 3 points? It would have been too easy of he won the league that way...

Ororo is still the best.

Oh my days

Ororo Why?

See Keeper weaving the ball.

2-2 ting like lethal bizzle

Goal ball

raumdeuter:
Great how is the weather in London

A bit cold

raumdeuter:
That is a red card for Ramos all day

What's the weather like in Texas bro?

Uefalona