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Herrera 5 fouls now...no card?

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So this ref is not going to book Ibra for repeated fouls?

This is the ultimate in jambody football.

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nateevs:
I think where this argument gets completely missed is the comparison to Messi/Ronaldo and their near "GOAT" status. In that, I mean, when you compare anyone to Messi and/or Ronaldo, then ridiculous consistency and incredible stats come into the picture.

However, in a different era, Hazard, "stats wise", needs only to be as good as Zidane, to be WPOTY. And we all know baba never posted these Messi/Ronaldo figures.

The crazy thing here is that neither Messi nor Ororo were necessarily doing anything better than Hazard quality wise in 2014/2015

They only beat him on quantity...and it then boils down to his attitude.

He can shoot and pass with the same level of accuracy as Messi and Ororo....but he refuses to do so because "he's not chasing records"

He's almost like an Okocha type character.

raumdeuter:
His recognition comes from winning the cups the world cup and CL titles while a useless mediocre defender like John Terry who cant win any title while on the field will rush at the end to lift the title

I remember around 2012 when there were meme of John Terry famzing different celebrities when they are winning

You mean you can type all these epistles but cannot list BoasTANKs individual awards?

raumdeuter:
Boateng in those crucial finals was an exceptional performer, Something John Terrible cant dream of in this life, The only CL final he played he threw away the trophy.

The only times his teams won major tournaments, he was missing in the finals unlike Boatank the rock in his own defence in crucial finals

BoasTANK wasn't even thr man of the match in that game.

Where are his recognitions for this amazing displays you keep mentioning?

Where are his individual awards?

raumdeuter:
Probably thats why he is one of the best defenders in the world, better and has achieved way more than John Terry will ever do in 2 lifetimes

List his individual awards

Any fool can luckily tag along and win a team trophy or two...afterall Pedro has more team trophies than both Ronaldo and Messi

donjazet:
I see!! Well, in that case, we can only hope he improves his shots now that he has been freed of any defensive responsibility and has been given a free role.

I still don't buy into that line of thinking, but we shall see.

Looking at the creative side of things, we can see that Hazard created more chances and made more key passes than both Ronaldo and Messi that year, but I believe that this tells 2 stories.

1. Messi and Ronaldo are relatively selfish. Obviously great goalscorers are naturally selfish, but the difference in key passes and number of shots between the Messi\Ororo and Hazard is quite stark. While the 1st group are willing to assume full goal scoring responsibility by passing less and shooting more, Hazard is virtually running away from goals by passing more and shooting less.

2. Hazard's supporting cast is either kak, or Ororo/Messi play with superstars, or EPL defences are tougher than laliga defences.

I'm quite sure the answer is a combination of all 3.
Diego Costa and Hazard were the only Chelsea players to score more than 10 goals that year whereas Madrid had 4 and Barca had 3. Neymar alone scored more than our top scorer and Benzema, Bale and Hames combined scored more than Costa+Hazard. This explains why both Messi and Ronaldo assisted more goals than Hazard despite creating fewer chances.

Also only one EPL team that year conceded more than 60 goals, whilst a whopping 8 laliga teams conceded 60+ goals that season.

This just goes to suggest that Hazard would thrive in a place where he has an amazing supporting cast and plays rubbish defenders every week aka PSG. He's literally outsourcing most his attacking flair to his teammates. He is good for us, but may only truly shine in the weaker leagues.

raumdeuter:
If your defensive partner is having the type of horror show Hummels was having defensively then there is only so much you can do. One will eventually slip through

Just like when a defender is expected to cover for John Terrible daily somedays chances will always slip through

Boastank one game,one brainfart...

And it was ever thus..

donjazet:
He lacks two basic aspects/xteristics of an attacker. Clinical finishing and set-piece taking/delievery, don't you think?

As you can see in this chart, Hazard in 14/15 was quite close to Ronaldo/Messi in both shot accuracy, and shot conversion rate...18% for Hazard, 21% for Ronaldo and 23% for Messi.

Where the massive difference between CR7/Messi and Hazard lies is in the number of attempted shots. Both Messi and Ronaldo attempted more than double Hazard's shots that year...Ronaldo almost trebled Hazard's shots.

I believe that this chart shows quite starkly Hazard's lack of ambition in comparison to the greats of our time. Despite an ability to hit the target with an accuracy that is on par with those legends, he was simply not chasing goals by taking more shots. If he had taken the same number of shots as Messi that year whilst maintaining that conversion rate, he would have scored 33+ goals that year alone.

raumdeuter:
Was partly at fault. [s]everyone acknowledged the 2 central defenders and the midfielders were all at fault for the 2nd goal[/s]

So it's another day, another mistake for Boastank?

raumdeuter:
I am sure you can say the above about most professional football attackers, Sanchez, Debruyne, Silva, Leandoski, Muller etc even Walcott on his good day can be as good as Messi and Ronaldo, How often these good days come is now the problem, Once in 2yrs, Once a season or once in 6months

even on one Chelsea 3 Arsenal 2 game in 1999, Kanu was as good as Messi or Ronaldo

Skillwise Hazard has it all it takes to be included in that bracket of players. Mentally though? Not so much.

And tahh remove Walcott from that equation.

raumdeuter:
Boateng didnt cover the player in the box, Hummels didnt challenge the ball carrier that was why the blame on the goal was not fully on Hummels but partly both of them plus the midfield who allowed the through ball and the free Chandler on the right

So...Boateng is at fault...no?

donjazet:
Then mourinho was actively chasing pogba. We were odds on favourites to sign pogba. Given the choice, between pogba and Kante, who would you go for?

There's nothing in that article to suggest that we couldnt have pursued both.

Indeed, Jose chased Kante and Pogba at United.

bigkesh:
The same reason why the push and stop player was an Emperor at the same age when this direct player's career is going as flat as his backside

Pause.

You dey look Martial nyash?

N'Golo Kante was too small to fit the profile of midfielder Jose Mourinho was interested in when Chelsea first looked at him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/14/why-ngolo-kante-walks-tall-for-chelsea-as-he-gets-ready-to-face/

dopeJemi:
You be mumu the next thing now na to make reference to my piercing

It it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and is pierced like a duck...

"Back to Hummels. I believe he is at least partly responsible for the second goal scored by the Eagles. A coverage problem once again. The man in the box should be picked up by Boateng"....


Did Boateng pick up his man though?

dopeJemi:
mkhitaryan sh.its and pisses on hazard's fat asss when it comes to goals and assists, maybe na drimbling hazard take better pass am

Pause.

I knew it. I always knew it...

Mark Riley the guardian angel of the devils is getting ready to protect them under his umburella ella ella e e e..

Anthony Taylor, step forth lad...

bigkesh:
By the way Matic is still a useless fellow

I don't know why Nihilist will think otherwise

Me think otherwise ke?

Abi you know see when I dey abuse Matic since last season?

I just dey make a simple point. I know that when you abuse Matic, it's mainly because you want Chalobah...so if I was arguing with you, I already know where you're coming from and the conclusion you're heading too.

Dazall.

nateevs:
I don't know why you young fellas make statements that end up giving others liberty to ridicule Hazard. I am not sure there are bigger Hazard fans than myself but I know better than to go around parading 44 goals as an achievement. What is wrong with you dudes?

When I was parading Hazard publically, my expectation of him was world footballer of the year. You lads are celebrating 44 goals in 4 years when we should be getting that in one and a half seasons.

A better discussion will be why he has not reached the expected heights. Get a grip guys.

I see you've already changed your signature

Hazard don belleful with that PFA wey e win. Next thing on his mind now is how he can move to PSG for the easy life...

Greatihex if you don't understand the context in which people make statements, you go dey fight people everyday

I think that most of the regulars on this board have a default position that other regulars know, and we can immediately frame any statement they make within the context of their default positions.

If Ibime says hazard is visionless, you should know that he is wearing his Lampard glasses again...just like when Bigkesh starts abusing Matic, you should know that he just watched his 'Chelsea yoof skillaz' DVD again.

Context is the key to everything...

In my opinion, Hazard on his day is as good as Ronaldo or Messi. That's one the reasons why I don't agree that Conte's tactical change on Saturday is what brought oup the best of Hazard.

People like Hazard, KDB, Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez can cause damage playing anywhere in the offensive half. The difference between Hazard and the rest of the established elite is his questionable mentality if you ask me.

The guy seemingly lacks ambition in his game and his career. When we're leading 1-0, Hazard usually starts coasting and stops driving towards the box. He will start passing back and avoiding confrontations.

When Jose said Hazard was one of the best players in the world, Hazard quickly went online to refute the the claims.

I mean how can we expect a player to truly be great if this is how he thinks?

"I ask myself what I can do to become like Messi and Ronaldo, and score 50 or 60 goals in a season, I try but I realise that I will never be a true scorer. It is not in me. It is mainly mental. Sometimes I still think after a goal, 'that's enough. I'm not in search of records like some other players. If I can score between 15 and 20 goals each season, I will be very happy. I'm at a peak of my career but I want to become even better every day. I'm not there yet."

Hazard is definitely not visionless, the stats prove otherwise, but he may never become anything more than just anotger skillful winger who once played in England...

FBS:
Egbon Nihilist, Calcum -the-one-for-the-future says hi


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Good evening uncle.
Is there any defender that has never been destroyed with skill sir?

MaziOmenuko:
If you say so; don't forget his usual 21pts-week, and it happens twice in a season.

I'm currently above you where it counts.

Aguero can't be doing too well for you then

MaziOmenuko:
You are working a tight rope without Aguero on your team. Will be interesting to see how you do an entire season without him.

As far as I'm concerned, 13m is too expensive..especially when KDB is the main man at city anyway.