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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:48pm On Dec 18, 2015
It sounds like this Diego Costa is just an absolute dickhead sha....

Signing him and selling Lukaku continues to look more and more like one of the biggest managerial mistakes of the last 10 years...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:37pm On Dec 18, 2015
Jose Mourinho joined his Chelsea players for their annual Christmas lunch at the club's Cobham training ground just hours before he was sacked, but there was little festive spirit to go around.

Rather than pulling crackers and telling bad jokes over their Christmas turkey, the Chelsea players sensed something was up from Mourinho's sombre mood after he had taken a downbeat Thursday training session in which he sported a newly shaved head and stubble.

But it was not until just before 2pm when a Chelsea player, who had stayed behind later than many of his team-mates, spotted members of the club's hierarchy and rumours started circulating that Mourinho's time as manager was up.

At the same time players were exchanging text messages speculating on what might be going on, Mourinho was informed of his sacking by chairman Bruce Buck and director Eugene Tenenbaum in a meeting that lasted only 10 minutes.

Virtually all of the players had left Cobham by then and they did not receive any official announcement from the club before word spread between team-mates and staff members via telephone, text message and over WhatsApp. Some former Chelsea players got wind of Mourinho's dismissal before the current squad.

Mourinho stayed at Cobham to clear his office desk for around two hours after getting the news before being driven off the premises in his Jaguar, presumably never to return. His second coming was over in the most dramatic circumstances.

The Leicester City defeat proved to be the tipping point and Telegraph Sport can reveal Mourinho accused his players of betrayal three times around that game.

Mourinho shocked reporters by claiming his players had "betrayed" his work after the 2-1 loss, but the attack did not come as a surprise to the squad. The Portuguese also warned his team against "betrayal" in the tactical meeting ahead of the Leicester game and used the word again during the half-time team talk at the King Power Stadium.


He had become obsessed with the fact an old Porto contact told him that his former club knew of his plans to drop Cesc Fabregas before last week's vital Champions League match at Stamford Bridge.

Chelsea won the game, but Mourinho was convinced he had at least one player in his squad working against him and it was not the first time this season the 52-year-old felt information was being leaked, whether on purpose or by accident.


A few months earlier, Mourinho had spoken to players of the need to be careful about what they told their agents and fixers after numerous stories had appeared alleging he had fallen out with various members of his squad.

Mourinho believed pieces of training ground gossip were being twisted against him and was also worried that players were innocently talking to outsiders about selection issues that were then getting out.

It was in October, when the former Real Madrid manager hit out at the "rats" around the Blues camp as he refused to give out any team news ahead of the Southampton defeat. He also became more guarded over how he set his team up during training, so that players were not so sure over who would be starting games.

In truth, however, Mourinho's problems started a long time before October when a total of 10 players decided they wanted to leave Chelsea immediately after the club had won the Premier League title so convincingly.

On the outside Chelsea looked destined to enjoy years of success under Mourinho, but there were sources around the club predicting a meltdown.

While it was no great surprise that fringe players such as Petr Cech, Didier Drogba, Filipe Luis, Juan Cuadrado, Mohamed Salah, Victor Moses and Nathan Ake wanted to play first-team football elsewhere, it was concerning that Diego Costa, Willian and Oscar fancied moves away.

Chelsea did not let Costa, Willian or Oscar go, but Mourinho felt he needed to secure some major summer signings to be confident of making a successful title defence. The fact only Radamel Falcao and deputy goalkeeper Asmir Begovic arrived before the first day of the Premier League season was a source of great frustration and contributed to his dark mood from the off.

Mourinho was also concerned by what he had seen on Chelsea's post-season and pre-season tours, despite the fact he had given his squad an extra week off during the summer as reward for their title success.

Teenage midfielder Ruben Loftus-Cheek was not the only Chelsea player to miss the team bus or turn up late for a meeting during the end-of-season trip to Thailand and Australia.

Relaxed attitudes were evident in America during pre-season, when Mourinho was so disgusted at a training game in which one of his group of players fell three goals behind that he called off the practice match entirely. It was also evident that Costa had not reported in an acceptable physical state after a summer of excess.

Some members of the Chelsea squad complained of still suffering the effects of jet-lag from the tour of America by the time they lost the Community Shield to Arsenal and there was a feeling of chaos inside the dressing-room ahead of the first Premier League game of the season against Swansea City.

Players had been left confused by Mourinho's decision to start with what was considered a reserve team in the final pre-season game against Fiorentina, only to throw all of the big guns on before the hour. Captain John Terry had been among the starters and feared he would be left out of the Swansea opener.

All the frustration and anger of poor pre-season performances and failed summer transfer bids for Everton defender John Stones manifested itself in Mourinho lashing out at club doctor Eva Carneiro for running on to the pitch to treat Eden Hazard against Swansea.

Carneiro was subsequently relieved of her first-team duties and privileges by Mourinho in a move that sparked a seemingly never-ending wave of criticism and negative publicity, and eventually led to the doctor's departure from Stamford Bridge that is still not settled.

It is too easy to point at the fall-out over Carneiro as the beginning of the end for Mourinho, but there is no doubt that his actions shocked Chelsea players and members of the board.

Fears over his behaviour grew as, having effectively got rid of Carneiro, Mourinho turned his attention towards the officials and the Football Association as he lashed out over bad results and questionable decisions.

Mourinho was hit with a £50,000 fine and a suspended stadium ban for claiming referees were "afraid" to give Chelsea decisions after the defeat to Southampton. He later branded the decision a "disgrace."

Worse was to follow, however, as Mourinho was hit with a one-game stadium suspension for his extraordinary reaction to Nemanja Matic's red card in the defeat to West Ham United. He twice refused to leave referee Jon Moss's dressing-room at Upton Park and accused the official of being "f***ing weak" during the half-time interval before being sent to the stands.

Serving his ban, Mourinho watched the defeat to Stoke City at the beginning of November from the Crewe Hall Hotel, where the team had stayed the previous night.

That proved to be a small moment of enlightenment, as Mourinho accepted appeals from Chelsea staff to stop the attacks on officials and the FA, and keep the focus on his team and the need to improve performances.

But Mourinho could simply not inspire any consistent form out of his players, despite trying both the carrot and the stick approach with Hazard and Diego Costa.

Having dropped and criticised Hazard earlier in the season, Mourinho held a heart-to-heart with the Belgian the day after the West Ham defeat and agreed to play him in his favoured number 10 role.

Hazard's performances improved, but he has now gone 27 games without a goal and Mourinho very much left it to interpretation whether or not the forward had been sufficiently injured to substitute himself against Leicester.

Costa had escaped punishment for returning for pre-season training overweight and had been the one player to avoid the axe up until the trip to Tottenham Hotspur. His reaction was to toss a bib in the direction of his manager and retreat to the team bus minutes after the final whistle.

He won his place back in the team after having a one-on-one chat with Mourinho, but Costa was still a shadow of his former self in front of goal against Porto and Leicester, and has netted just seven times since January.

Costa's drought has coincided with former Chelsea striker Romelu Lukaku passing the 50 goals mark for Everton. With Chelsea desperately needing goals and looking for a striker in January, Lukaku's form has caused frustration that he was not given more of a chance by Mourinho.

The feeling inside Stamford Bridge was that Moruinho could have done more to encourage Lukaku and Kevin De Bruyne, who is currently outperforming Belgium team-mate Hazard, that they could eventually become first-team regulars at Chelsea.

Similarly, Mourinho showed little patience with Cuadrado and Salah, who have impressed in Italy, and, contrary to his promises, never made a convincing attempt to properly integrate 19-year-old Loftus-Cheek into his team.

Loftus-Cheek only has 18 months to run on his contract and Chelsea chiefs had been concerned that Mourinho's treatment of the highly-rated midfielder threatened to make negotiations over a new deal particularly difficult.

Ultimately, though, it was quite simply results that did for Mourinho. When owner Roman Abramovich backed him in the form of a club statement that also made it clear there must be an improvement, Chelsea were in 16th place in the table. Two months on and the Blues are in exactly the same position, just one point above the relegation zone.

Mourinho is understood to have confided in friends that nothing he tried was working and that was clearly a view shared by Abramovich and the Chelsea board. Christmas dinner probably never tasted quite so sour.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:21pm On Dec 18, 2015
diggz:
@ lala see what I got from espn....

Pep Guardiola is a fraud. Bayern would be mad to give him a third season. That's two years in a row that his team get their rear ends handed to them in the semifinal, 3-10 on aggregate, are you kidding me?

Who cares if he won the Bundesliga? It's kinda hard not to win the Bundesliga, to be honest, when you manage Bayern. Every single guy who has managed the club in the past 19 years has won the title, except for Jurgen Klinsmann. This is a league where the second-place club is freaking Wolfsburg, a team with Bas Dost and Nicklas Bendtner sharing time up front.

It's a one-team league, especially now that Borussia Dortmund have imploded, and the only team is the one Pep is lucky enough to coach.

And guess what? It's getting worse. Bayern won the Treble before Pep's arrival. In his first season, they got the Double. This year it's just that measly German championship. Next season? Logical progression suggests it will be a big fat zero if they stick with Pep and his nonsense.

High line? Pressing? Weirdo formations with a jockey-sized fullback like Rafinha at center-half? Come on now. How about working on some defending so two otherwise fine centre-backs like Jerome Boateng and Mehdi Benatia aren't made to look like statues frozen in time?

Don't be fooled by this guy. Sure, Pep won some domestic and European silverware at Barcelona, but that was because he inherited a great team. After all, Frank Rijkaard won plenty at Barca as well, with some of the same players. What happened to him? His last gig was managing Saudi Arabia, who sacked him in 2013.

Ultimately, Pep is exposed because, simply put, he can beat up bad teams but struggles against good ones. Want proof? Witness his record against the teams currently in second to sixth place right now in the Bundesliga: Wolfsburg, Borussia Monchengladbach, Bayer Leverkusen, Augsburg and Schalke. Played 10, won 3, drew 3, lost 4, scored 10, conceded 12. A losing record.

Enough of the hype. Enough of the outdated tiki-taka. This emperor has no clothes.

That's fine. Defeat has consequences and they range from criticism to a boot to the backside.

Except once the air clears, you need to take a step back and ask yourself on what basis you should judge a manager.

The cliché that "results are everything" is downright foolish. Results, particularly in a low-scoring game such as football, are a function of many things, including chance and probability. This is especially true in knockout competitions.
Chei...

Cc Raumdeuter...

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:12pm On Dec 18, 2015
TheGoodJoe:
I am not bashing him. The coaches who spend more to bring in players most times will do better than a coach who spends less.

Last season, Man City did not reinforce much and we did not perform as we did the season before. It happened to Mancini too.

Mourinho is lucky to coach at places where he can wipe out who he wants and buy who he wants. When he fails, he simply says it, I did not get the players I want.

Remember, he had Eto'o, Demba Ba and Torres and Said he had no striker.

He dropped them and spent huge for Costa.
You mean you can actually call Torres a striker without the fear of random thunder striking your blockus wherever you are right now?

I throway salute for you sir
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:58pm On Dec 18, 2015
Chelseafan1:
I won't go down the insult lane trying to make you understand my point, certainly nnot because of this baseless argument.

My initial stances was that Mourinho isn't a saint and he made the wrong calls on so many occasion which played a part in his downfall, I dunno which of the players let him down cos Hazard on a good day is not a prolific goal scorer, he has created chances this season, had attempts at goals, this myt just be the true him in a bad form, Terry can't do more than he's doing, Matic isn't totally worse than last season, Willian improved, Fabregas, Costa and Oscar are the ones who really retrogressed, to me.


I wonder what you will say if this same squad finds it hard to defeat Sunderland and Man utd in the next few matches.
Obviously Jose is not without blame...and I never suggested that...

What I said was that he was severely undermined by his players which is the result of the unbridled player power at the club

Or How else can you explain Emenalo's statement dumping the blame squarely at Jose's feet and rejecting the idea that the boys did not play to instructions?

We all saw the boys play like pants na?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:39pm On Dec 18, 2015
TheGoodJoe:
Mourinho sticking with them and eating their insults, makes me wonder. If Hazard does not one to play, he can stay at home. Mourinho had Kenedy on the bench all this while. He might not match Hazard's class on the field, but he wants it more than Hazard.

Why stick with an insulting Costa when he had Loic Remy itching to prove he had more to offer.

The players lost their motivation and Mojo. Mourinho played a part in it.
He dropped Costa for 3 games I think

And he dropped Hazard vs Villa.

We've all said on these pages many times that Jose failed to strengthen the squad significantly for whatever reasons, and that has led to a paucity of options this season with our dead bench...

That being said, a player of Hazard's quality can't be put on the bench for long...without a replacement of similar quality. See Messi at Barca...Luis Enrique still had to keep playing him last season despite considerable bad blood between them at the time.

So Hazard had to play..though Jose tried to move him around abit trying to find a place where who have an impact.

Jose is not without blame here. He let competent alternatives go and put all his 11 eggs in one basket. Just a shame that some of those eggs hatched into snakes who would bite him in the arse...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Nihilist: 2:26pm On Dec 18, 2015
All I am is the messenger...
Since Arsene Wenger last won the League, Mourinho came to England, won the league twice, when to Italy won the treble at Inter, went to La Liga, won the League, came back to England and won the league again.
Wenger has also not beaten Jose in the league....

Specialists, Failures, and all that...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist:
Chelseafan1:
This is my last post to you too, as you deliberately ignored it.



[b]talking about Hazard liking Madrid's page, didn't Messi like Chelsea's page back then too, how did the Coach and club handle the situation back then??
I really have to question your intelligence...

Because if you were smart, you would realise that Messi's decision to follow Chelsea's instagram almost cost his manager his job at the time...
That's not the only thing he did, he refused to turn up for training the next day
Messi reportedly even went to the club president to give a 'he goes or I go ultimatum'

Why did all of this happen? Because Messi had an argument with manager...

Just imagine the impudence...

Are you so thick, that you cannot see how player power severely undermines managers at big clubs?

et's even look at this critically, you and I have watched these guys play multiple times this season and you see them playing beautiful football even better than most teams that are ahead of us on the log, lack of goals has been their major undoing.
Which beautiful football? The team has been dreadful all season

Vardy has 15 league goals already, Costa has just 3, MSN has been the trio scoring more than 80% of Barca's goals this season, if Costa has been good enough to get us at least 12 goals this season, maybe Mou will still be our manager as I type this.
Costa not scoring is not the problem here. Afterall Watford have the same league 18 goals as us...they are 7th not 16th. Stoke have scored only 13 goals this season...They are 11th and not 16th.

The issue here is Costa's impudence. Despite the fact the the idiot was underperforming, he still had the cheek to argue with his manager on the pitch...and then throw a bib at the manager when he was dropped!

If the striker can do this in public, then he could be doing a lot worse in private...and this, this, this is the simple fact that you are either unwilling or unable to comprehend...The players act like spoilt brats...

I guess you are still a student, and probably don't understand what it means to be a professional...so maybe you can be excused.

That Hazard 'injury' at Leicester disgusted me to no end. In Professional Rugby Union, the players have to be forced off by their managers following an injury,usually quite serious too, such is the willingness and desire to play....The behaviour by these Chelsea boys has NO EXCUSE.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:09pm On Dec 18, 2015
Chelseafan1:
My stance still remains that, Mou isn't a saint, he made a host of wrong decisions which affected him, it is not coincidence that he had to fight his players at Madrid and also did the same with this set of players.


Mourinho is too controversial, is he the only one in England, you hardly find an opposition fan who likes him, that's not good for this kind of job, he's a top manager, he should tone it down a bit, when was the last time other manager had problems with the Refs and FA? Rooney that earns more than any of our players has been serving LVG will bullshiit, Hazard, Costa haven't been worse than him, yet Gaal has been supportive.

Let's even look at this critically, you and I have watched these guys play multiple times this season and you see them playing beautiful football even better than most teams that are ahead of us on the log, lack of goals has been their major undoing.

Vardy has 15 league goals already, Costa has just 3, MSN has been the trio scoring more than 80% of Barca's goals this season, if Costa has been good enough to get us at least 12 goals this season, maybe Mou will still be our manager as I type this.


There's no way u can try to convince me, Mou will still be apportioned the biggest blame in all of this.
You just don't seem to understand the way football, business, and politics work...

At Madrid, Casillas and Sergio Ramos threatened to walk if Jose wasn't fired.

The same two guys were at it again not long after.

Only this summer just gone, Sergio Ramos again held his club to ransom, this time trying to force through a move until the Club President told him point blank that it was never going to happen. Casillas ended getting kicked out in disgrace by Florentino anyway after being booed by his own fans...

Same Sergio Ramos still recently publicly criticised his new manager's substitutions in a press conference, because benitez had dared to criticise him in a post-match interview
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3266302/Real-Madrid-boss-Rafa-Benitez-tries-Sergio-Ramos-spats-Cristiano-Ronaldo-Karim-Benzema.html

If you dont understand by now, how much power many of these unprofessional millionaire brats hold, then you never will...

With regards to Refs, what is the player's business with what Jose says to the ref?

Cant even count how many times did Ferguson abuse and intimidate refs in EPL. How many times he was fined. The club payed fines for 7 years straight because Ferguson refused to speak to the BBC...Heaven did not fall...

I'm done with this discussion. I cant squeeze water from a stone
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:19pm On Dec 18, 2015
Chelseafan1:
Just look at you, what nonsense are you even talking about, He praised these players after they delivered the title and a league cup for him last season, he signed Costa and Fabregas just last season, I dunno how you expect him not to praise them and them also not turning up in their first season with so much expectations.

If you were happy he sold De bryune, Mata, Schurrle, David Luiz and with his poor man management allowing Cech leave, that's foolishness cos not all of us were happy about it.

Ever since things went sour for the team, tell me how many times he has criticised his players both in private and publicly.

If you think all his actions towards them and also to other managers, back room staff and the FA governing body has no way of affecting these players psychologically on the long run, then you obviously need your brain checked.


Lest I forget, when you eventually become a medical doctor and you get bad-mouthed by your boss after doing well for him the previous year and making his business tick, you can continue to give him your 100% so that the whole credit goes to him while you are there claiming being professional with your work, it is people like you that will first tender your letter of resignation especially when you are being coveted by better and well grounded establishments.

Stop exhorting Mou to high heavens abeg, he's not all that a saint, when you become a boss later in life, treat your staff and subordinates badly and watch your business grow very well....na u go make profit pass.
If you had half a brain, you would be annoyed that players who earn hundreds of thousands of pounds every week simply to kick a ball around are able to act in a such a disgraceful manner, dragging the club you support to the relegation zone, simply because they don't like the manager...

Like I've said before, Alex Ferguson was just as bad if not worse than Jose Mourinho with his public behaviour. He was very harsh with his players. Listen to what Kagawa had to say about him

"Although I had heard about the [hairdryer] rumour before going to Manchester, I hadn't seen any managers shouting that hard," Kagawa told reporters.

"It really was like a hairdryer, as it is called. He shouted really hard with his face really red, especially at the core players."

"It was my first season, so he maybe overlooked me a little bit and I didn't get shouted at very much," he said. "The fact that he can shout at leading players such as [Wayne] Rooney, [Ryan] Giggs, [Paul] Scholes, Rio [Ferdinand] shows his presence.

"Those players have to take it in and cannot say anything, so the players respect him that much
. His aura and his driving force are really great and I thought that's why he had the ability to manage those players."

A manager should be the player's leader...not their best friend. A player that already earns millions of pounds a year to kick a ball around for 90 minutes ever shouldn't have the power to lead to his manager's dismissal simply by playing like a twatt.

If you threw your shirt at your manager where I work REGARDLESS of what he said to you...you would at the very least face a disciplinary...

Hazard went to like posts on insta linking him to Madrid. Costa arguing in public with his manager and throwing his bib at him. Rumours of players refusing to play for him..Hazard faking injury at Leicester. Allegedly leaking the team sheet to Porto

Can you just imagine that? This club need to clamp down on these disgusting prima donnas otherwise this issue will continue this appalling behaviour everytime they don't like the face of a manager...
CareerRe: How Do You Cope When Sacked? by Nihilist: 11:17am On Dec 18, 2015
If you were sacked for something that was your fault, learn from it...

If it wasn't your fault, then don't worry too much about it.

The most important thing is that you keep moving and stay positive

I would also suggest that you take advantage of the down time to try and learn an additional skill before diving back into the job market...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 10:57am On Dec 18, 2015
kokaneprodigy:
Oga stop this your talk. Mourinho betrayed them first.
They worked very hard for him last season just for him to take all the glory to himself. Using "I" instead of "WE".
As soon as they started performing below par in the early part of this season he distanced himself from them, left them out to dry he replaced "I" with "they", Costa, Hazard, Eva, Ref, ball boy. If u work with such a manager will u be motivated.?
These players are human they ain't robots emotions run thru their veins too.
One of the responsibilities of a manger in any works of life is to motivate his or her subordinates.
I dont think you fully understand the implication of my post...

What happens if the players don't like the new manager as well?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 10:32am On Dec 18, 2015
PietroRico:
reports that he's suffering from depression and alcoholism.. Unconfirmed reports sha but it's all over the United community on Twitter
It might be true but then again it's usually a load of rubbish.

Last year when Andy Caroll was out for several months, West Ham fans were claiming this was due to a coke addiction. Wilshere is reportedly an alcoholic as well..

Mostly crap...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 10:06am On Dec 18, 2015
If you doubted what I was saying yesterday, Emenalo has put the argument to bed.

"There obviously seemed to be a palpable discord between manager and players and we feel it was time to act." - Emenalo

You can see that when there's an issue between Managers and Players...The Club will back the players.

This is the same group of players who won the league and the League Cup last season, they did it by sweating tears and blood. They played to instruction, they adhered to everything the manager asked them to do. It’s very easy to make that kind of inference [about the players] but it’s not one that club accepts" - Emenalo

Even after the manager states that the players are not listening to his instructions...the club is insisting that the players are.

Is it Jose that told Costa to run to the left and lose the ball every time? Or were Matic and Fabregas instructed to keep losing the ball in midfield? Or maybe Jose told Ivanovic to allow himself to be dribbled at any opportunity

All managers are at the mercy of their players. All the players have to do if they don't like a manager is deliberately play like idiots on the pitch, and a perfectly competent manager with an excellent track record will be kicked out. Just like that.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 8:52am On Dec 18, 2015
PietroRico:
anyone seen the latest reports on Rooney? shocked shocked shocked
Wetin do Rooney
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 8:12pm On Dec 17, 2015
pamcode:
to think that Chelsea could sign benitez is in ltself a wonder or samuel eto
Don't forget Fabregas...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 8:05pm On Dec 17, 2015
sephia:
Hiddink won the FA cup
Ancellotti won the league and FA cup
Benitez won UEFA cup
Di Matteo won the Champions league

All these in less than 7years. Nothing JM did others didn't so and some more. I still believe without money JM would have won nothing. Nobody should mention Porto abeg. Flukes happen.
What kind of yarns is this for God's sake?

Is it Cowries that Manutd Arsenal and City have been spending?

Why haven't they been winning treble every year?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 8:02pm On Dec 17, 2015
Ibime:
Not to forget his brother buried an axe in a black mans head in a racist attack. . .
Bros I didn't even know that cheesy

Can you imagine?

I'm just remembering Rafa Benitez that was hated and booed by all the fans, and reportedly some of the players when he turned up.

Likeability? In Football?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 7:50pm On Dec 17, 2015
nateevs:
Let me tell you what will happen should Jose take the job at United next season.
He will have 200% of the board's support. He will be allowed to spend 100s of millions.
He will spend 100s of millions of one-time wonders, work-horses and average Joes.

These average Joes will run into the ground for him. The will win the league. United fans will be happy winning the league again, being consistent at the top. Compared to where they have been in recent years, it's glory days again.

He will organize them at back the back. They will be ultra defensive and admirable but as always, very lacklustre going forward.
He will manage to convince them pragmatism wins. He will win the hearts of some.

The next season, the fights will begin. He will take a pop at Wenger and now Chelsea.
He will fight the media, the referees and anyone in between, the moment they lose. Some of his fans will still like him, some will stop.

He will park the bus against Chelsea, City, Arsenal. This is where the anger will begin.
Die-hard United fans will crave expansive football once again. He will not change.
He will not bring any young player through, the work horses will start to fail.

Blaming will begin. He probably finishes the season winning the league again.

Third season, full blown fight against everyone. The workhorses (the usual 11 - the untouchables) stop performing.
United fans demand better football to the eye, despite just winning the league.

More public fights. Blames. Name calling. Fans of other clubs start to hate United because of JM. People call them classless. United's PR suffers a blow. Boards' backing drops to 70% . . . .

Beginning of the end.



Nihilist, what do you think will happen with Jose when he gets to United? Remember that this will a club not notorious for undermining their manager.
Ancelotti has been sacked 3 times in the last 5 years. I don't understand why you guys are failing to get this very simple fact...

In the 2 seasons that have elapsed since Jose left Spain, Madrid have hired TWO managers...rumours abound that a 3rd is underway

Barcelona are on their 3rd manager in as many years.

United have had 2 managers in 3 years. Rumours abound that a 3rd is on the way.

Juventud have had 4 managers in the last 5 years.

The only top clubs that have been relatively are Bayern and Arsenal.

So what is your point? That Jose hasn't been anywhere longer than 3 seasons?

The question you should be asking is why top clubs don't keep faith in their managers for longer than 3 seasons...

The answer you would find is that power player is at the very heart of such fickleness.

Of course performance plays a part, but whose job is it to actually perform on the pitch?

Jose's character is his character. I want you to ask yourself if you would fight your manager at your place of work..chances are that you would mostly likely be let go, because more often than not the business sides with management.

Another thing is that in most companies, employees who don't meet their targets are sacked...not their manager

Football is the other way round. The manager gets sacked for the incompetence of his players.

That takes the manager's employment status completely out of his own hands...and he us extremely dependent on the players.

Jose has been fired now, but it Fabregas who has bee a pant in midfield, and it's Ivanovic who has actually been a pant in defence...

No single manager fired for performance issues was actually supposed to perform where it matters- on the pitch.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 7:29pm On Dec 17, 2015
raumdeuter:
Almost? Jose wasnt just almost sacked he was actually fired not once not twice 3 times in the last decade

Ancelotti would never claim it was player sabotage that got him fired like Mourinho

Mourinho was fired for incompetence.

As at today Mourinho left Chelsea 16th on the table. Take a snapshot of it
If Jose is incompetent, then Carlo is incompetent, and all the other managers who have been at Madrid and Barca in recent years are incompetent.

Football is an extremely cynical business. Ched Evans is a convicted rapist who was courted by several clubs until the relentless media pressure took its toll.

Luis Suarez racially abused a player but his club came out to print T-Shirts in support. He then tried to eat two other players but still got signed for a record deal by Barca...even when he was ineligible to play for months.

Joey Barton beat someone up and went to jail. He has stubbed a cigar out in someone's eye before...he still continues to get jobs. His current employers are Burnley who h previously dissed on Twitter.

Steven Gerrard has beaten up a man in a pub before for refusing to change the music. Moyes beat up another one.

Adam Johnson is facing statutory ra per charges. Titus Bramble has as well. Ravel Morisson is a gangbanger. Alan Pardew has headbutted a Hull city Player.

One of the Stoke City ex-players(black Jamaican dude can't remember his name) used to slap his teammates. Vardy used racist Language. Di Canio is a fascist. John Terry was racist and fvcked his teammate's wife. Ibrahimovic had fought with nearly every one of his managers...As has Balotelli

I could go on and on

Didn't stop any them from finding new employers.

Ferguson in particular sued his fellow board member to court, had public feuds with several of his own players, and opened Beckham's head with football boot.


If you think likeability counts a jot in football, then you are sleeping on a bicycle.

Player power at big clubs is the biggest enemy to a manager. Why is it that the same jobs keep getting vacant and the same managers keep rotating around the same hot seats?

The best a manager at that level can do is hope that his players listen to him...Ronaldo has probably scored 1 or 2 free kicks in his last 50 attempts, yet reports are coming in that he stormed out of a meeting where Benitez asked him to undergo freekick studies...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:45pm On Dec 17, 2015
raumdeuter:
Who are the global superstars in Chelsea that are more than we have at Bayern, PSG, Man City man utd.

Simeone, Pep Ancelotti even Pellegrini are all coaches of top clubs, Enrique also

Why is it that only Mourinho gets into open fights with his players

It happened in madrid, It happened in Chelsea. The same Chelsea where he was worshipped and he could do as he wanted

Players are global superstars and would throw tantrums. Ferguson knew when to send out Beckham and Stam and when to literarily beg Ronaldo and Rooney

Pep knew how to call Zlatans or Etoo bluff and how to worship Xavi or Messi
this is a completely pointless post because Mourinho's character is not the reason why he was fired.

Just as Pellegrinil,Ancelotti and co's niceness have not prevented them from the sack.

Why?

Because even though the manager is the least connected member of the team to on pitch results, it's easier to replace him and hope for success borne by change, than it is to sack the player who is actually underperforming on the pitch.

That's player power in a nutshell.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:32pm On Dec 17, 2015
raumdeuter:
Who are the global superstars in Chelsea that are more than we have at Bayern, PSG, Man City man utd.

Simeone, Pep Ancelotti even Pellegrini are all coaches of top clubs, Enrique also

Why is it that only Mourinho gets into open fights with his players

It happened in madrid, It happened in Chelsea. The same Chelsea where he was worshipped and he could do as he wanted
Enrique almost got sacked by Messi

Ancelotti is still currently unemployed despite his 'likeability' and has been sacked 3 times in the last 5 years...

So what point have you made?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:27pm On Dec 17, 2015
raumdeuter:
Player power has been ever since and it hasnt stopped some coaches
Ancelotti is loved by most of his players, Pep is loved by most of his players, Simeone is loved by most of his players
Hasnt stopped some coaches doing what? Abi what are you going on about?

Jose has now been sacked from 2 clubs that are notorious for players undermining their manager

Jose is not the first Madrid manager to be sabotaged by his players

He's not the first Chelsea manager to be sabotaged by his players either...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:06pm On Dec 17, 2015
nateevs:
Nihilist have you ever wondered why only Chelsea fans and those who have a soft spot have this view about JM?
The truthful answer will tell you why Jose will never get any board's 100% backing.

In most cases, if you are not a Chelsea fan, you dislike Jose. Not for his performances but his attitude.
The same is hardly echoed about Ferguson.
Ahhh...Ferguson's achievements are respected...but the man himself is soundly hated by many Non-United fans...

You seem to have forgotten how Ferguson behaved during the rivalry with Wenger, how Benitez came out to rant about him. How he called City a small club with small mentality. How he boycotted talking to BBC. Plus he busted open Beckham's head with a football boot.

Mourinho will never be fully backed by the boards at the kind of clubs that can afford his services, simply because the the kind of players at those clubs are always global superstars who wield enormous player power.

Ok look at Benitez at Madrid...The players reportedly don't like him there and there are rumours that he will be sacked sooon. Look at Barca and what nearly happened with Luis Enrique. Tata Martinez was reportedly signed because of Messi's request...

If you think likeability is a factor when it comes to employment in football, then you are on a long thing.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:54pm On Dec 17, 2015
raumdeuter:
The truth is Mourinho's methods were unsustainable over the long haul

His methods are simply to fight every single person around. He wins by making enemies. But when there are no more enemies to make you turn inwards and turn your own staffs into enemies

Actually in Madrid history since I started following football, No madrid coach was given the type of control Mourinho had. Mourinho sacked Jorge Valdano a former player, former coach and Director. Perez got rid of Valdano for Mourinho. Thats as big as it gets

In his first time in England he fought every single person, later turned on his team

In Italy his first job was to figt every single person and coach which was one of the reasons he had to leave immediately

In madrid he fought opponents, Management, players, referees

Need I remind you he was one of the reasons Andres frisk retired because death threats were sent to the best referee in Europe

He came to Chelsea picked up from where he started fought everyone outside, later came inside fought his own staff for treating players, fought the media, fought the FA now his own players

Ferguson despite his own ego was still loved by most of his ex-players, loved by the club and even respected by other coaches
Story...

Ferguson has to be loved because he is part of the club...if you don't tow the line, you get kicked out..

Please don't tell me about Mourinho's methods being unsustainable because that is a lie....Outside Wenger, who now has the sustainable methods? Where are they sustaining?

Player power is the biggest enemy of any Football Manager. The most disposable element to any football team is the manager.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:51pm On Dec 17, 2015
Bimffo:
Apparently Jose Mourinho turned down the £40m Severance package and told them to use it to "rebuild the club"..

Always thinking of us. cry cry cry
Turn down for what?

cool
Pun intended
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:48pm On Dec 17, 2015
Former Arsenal striker Thierry Henry, speaking on Sky Sports, says: "They needed a change to spark a reaction, but they have sacked the best manager in their history and the best manager in the game.

"The players should be held accountable. You cannot sack all the players so sack the manager - whether right or wrong.

"What happened in some of the games is not all down to Mourinho. There was a lack of desire and commitment.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:39pm On Dec 17, 2015
raumdeuter:
Na only him dey coach?

How many coaches in the world would claim players sabotaged him not once but twice within a space of 3yrs

The coach is the common denominator in the 2 cases. This tells us this is a problem with the coach not the players
Of course the coach is the common denominator in the 2 cases...he is the one who got snitched isn't he?

Mourinho's methods are not for everyone and not everybody will like him. That's not new.

The issue here is that his subordinates are so powerful that they can undermine him if they feel they don't like him or his methods.

Ferguson was known to be very harsh to his players. He even used boot to bust David Beckham's head...Yet not one single player could dare go to the club chairman and threaten to walk if SAF wasn't fired like Sergio Ramos and Casillas did. Ferguson would not keep mention 'betrayal' and 'rats' to the media...He would have slaughtered the offending players like ileya meat.

That's because Ferguson had something that only Arsene Wenger has in football today - The complete and utter backing of the board.

No other manager in the world has that. And someone as abrasive as Mourinho definitely needs the boards backing 200%.

The man came to win. Not to make friends with his boys....

Football is probably the only industry where you can sack your line manager if you don't like him...

Speaking of line managers...mine is now away till the new year. I can now remove my tie and maximise my incognito window grin grin. Just imagine if I could sack him for the tone of some of his emails... tongue
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 4:54pm On Dec 17, 2015
raumdeuter:
Madrid 2013: The players conspired and sabotaged him

Chelsea 2015: the players conspired and sabotaged him

Is this story not getting stale?
It's a true story though...

Just shows you how strong player power is...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 4:51pm On Dec 17, 2015
Well, it has finally happened...

The sabotage of Jose's ambitions by his players is complete.

I wonder how sweet that Eva's toto must be. Probably has a tongue inside for bonus bj action during intercourse.

Anyway goodbye Jose and all the best for the future. Thanks for the memories.

I bet he's drying his tears with fistfuls of 50 pound notes from that generous severance package...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 11:26am On Dec 17, 2015
elampiro:

I can understand the attack on Martial from mostly Chelsea fans. I think it's a part pay back on United fans rubbishing Hazard in the past 18 months.

The day any Bayern player will fall into this kind of situation, I expect Chelsea fans to also go tear that player to piece.

There will always be pay (back) day.


I never attacked Martial though...I think he's a good young player with great potential.

What I attacked is the myth. The burgeoning idea that Martial is something that he isn't. You must have seen only yesterday, where my mainest man on this thread call Martial the best player at United.

Yekpa...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 11:21am On Dec 17, 2015
nateevs:
This post here proves my whole point. How many times have I heard this before? even from the time of AVB being Jose's scout. You hear this "attention to detail" thing the players band about with Jose's methods. From Terry, to Lampard, to his coaches.

But pay attention and you will discover that this attention to details is always directed to the defensive side of the game. Preventing the opposition from scoring.Tell me how many times we ever heard an attacker praise Jose for this attention to detail "IN ATTACK"?

I mean an attacker on TV, detailing how Jose instructs the movement of ball through the channels; how he instructs players ahead of play to move; how he instructs players to move into space;

What we always hear and see is the clear display of Jose's preference for stopping the opposition rather than attacking it. Even Hazard complained last season, that our only game plan in attack is to give the ball to him. Aha!


And this sums up the whole thing - my consistent argument for many years.


Yes he prepped the guys to counter Leicester's attacking prowess but what happened when the plan failed? The obvious response was to go attack and get a goal. What did we do in attack? Absolute Zilch! How were we to even the scores without scoring?

I don't buy this players are not playing to instructions thing. The truth instead is that players in defense have lost confidence. So instead of concentrating on more defensive tactics, let's see if we can maintain the same level of defense and then try to bail ourselves out by outscoring the opposition.

The reality though is that this is never going to happen. So please expect the slump to continue. Brace yourselves!



I repeat, when your whole methodology is predicated on preventing the opposition from scoring, then one day when that defensive unit is faulty (as it is now), you will find it difficult to win games because the very fundamental element that wins games (goal-scoring) has been consistently absent.
You actually have been saying the same thing for years, and that shows consistency, I'll give you that..

Because you have been consistently wrong.

Jose has set point records in Portugal. He set point records in England. He set point records in Spain. That is not the hallmark of someone who cannot coach attacking football.

Last season Chelsea scored the second highest amount of goals in the league and averaged around 57% possession for the season. That is not the hallmark of a coach who only knows how to defend.


The same Jose that beat Guardiola's Barca 3-1 with Inter does not know how to attack?


Jose is not like all the other coaches in the world. He is extremely pragmatic and does what needs to be done. He's less interested in losing beautifully when he can win ugly.

And because he is not a slave to any football ideology, people continue to perpetuate this myth about him not understanding attack.

This is very similar to the myth around Simeone, and Dayo showed only yesterday that Athleti only park the bus against a select few sides, and actually are in the top 5 (or 10?) for possession in Europe this season

So you can keep saying it for the foreseeable future, but It will be just a myth. It's not true.The facts simply do not support it.

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