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edoyad:I am also a messenger...
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I'm just waiting for the inevitable punchline ![]() |
sleekdot:Obviously the 'overachieved' statement is just hyperbole picked by Jose for maximum impact in the media. Same as the statement that he was 'Betrayed' and that the Foxes ball boys were 'fantastic' but again you are not paying attention. You need to read between the lines. Obviously all teams have boffins that analyse the opposition, but fact remains that our team captain actually came out to reveal the move of another team on TV and how to counter it based on Jose's teachings. It's obvious that the boys are playing rubbish. Jose is saying one of the reasons why is because they aren't playing to instructions and he could be right. |
dopeJemi:Jury is still out on Vardy, but I'm quite confident that Lukaku would outscore Martial in this very team. I don't even see the basis for your high estimation of Martial as a great goal scorer. His track record at Monaco doesn't suggest that there's much to look forward to in terms of goal scoring even if the manger, teammates, stadium and pitch grass were changed I mean the boy is 20 years old and only has around 26 career goals. Lukaku on the hand has an excellent track record. Westbrom were one of the lowest teams during his time there at a similar age to Martial but the difference is very clear |
sleekdot:Jose is media savvy...he picks his words wisely for maximum impact...but what he said might have a ring of truth to it. John Terry was co-presenting with Jamie Redknapp for the Manyoo-Bournemouth game and they reviewed the corner that led to the Cherries 2nd goal. It was an incredibly complex movement that you would never spot if you didn't know what you were looking for. It involved one guy making a run to clear space, and another one who looked like he was marking the keeper quickly running to told fellaini before Josh King ran in to swipe the ball. They even identified the signal the corner taker made to initiate the move. Then John Terry said that Jose had made the boys aware of that particular move and that they spent 3 days practicing against it. That kind attention to detail is mental. Jose on Monday stated that he had identified 4 passages of play that Leicester usually score from and the boys had practiced against them. According to Jose, the 2 goals conceded came from moves he had identified and coached the team against. How do you explain that? I'm too sure that these boys are not sticking to the script. I'm just not sure why. And that's why he may not be completely lying by claiming he overachieved with these lads... |
sleekdot:You need to pay attention. Liverpool game, Martial's goal was inconsequential. Against Soton, Martial's goals would have earned a draw at best...Mata was the one who copped the winner And the Wolfsburg game as well... The point of that statement was to show that his contribution has been marginal to United's fortunes at best. LVG's success especially in the league has been based on a sturdy defence and fantastic goalkeeping, none of which Martial has been a direct contributor to... So to call him the best player at Manyoo now? That's absurdity. |
dopeJemi:If you remember, some of us actually said it before he won player of the month back in September. On these very pages, Martial went from being the best 19 year old in the league to the best in the 19-22 year bracket...which was what invited comparison to Harry Kane and Lukaku...both of whom have already outperformed him to my own delight. Then one cross eyed German came to take the fawning to even more nauseous levels by declaring him the best under 25 in the league... All of this and more...on the basis of 6 goals in 20 appearances. Smh. |
dopeJemi:What an absurd statement. United's game so far this year has been based on strong defence. In his 20 appearances in all competitions so far, Martial's contribution of just 6 goals have mostly been in games where United was already leading...or those that united ended up losing. Calling him the best player in the team ahead of players like DDG, Smalling, Bastian, Mata who have actually singlehandedly won points for Manyoo is the reason why I must keep shooting down this fantastic myth before it grows wings. Calling Martial the best striker at Manyoo is not even saying much...considering that he is the only striker at Old Trafford, especially with Rooney looking more and more like a lost fan who took a wrong turn on his way to toilet and found the pitch instead. Surely the news that Lukaku is now being linked to the club is enough evidence that there is a belief that Martial cannot actually be relied on to lead the line...his replacement is only 2 years older too ![]() 2nd tier opposition..as my friend olabode89 put it. |
dopeJemi:Lukaku was already Westbrom's best player at Martial's age and copped 17 league goals that year....and it seems like you dont know who Boss Aguero is sha. "Following the departure of strike partner Fernando Torres to Liverpool in the summer of 2007, Agüero secured his starting spot for the Rojiblancos and soon became arguably the team's most important player at the age of just 19. In the 2007–08 season, he finished third highest scorer in La Liga, behind Daniel Güiza and Luís Fabiano, with 19 goals, and was runner up in the Trofeo Alfredo Di Stéfano award.[29] Agüero won many plaudits for his man of the match display against Barcelona in March 2008, scoring twice, assisting a goal, and winning a penalty for Atlético in a 4–2 win.[30][31] He also scored important goals against the likes of Real Madrid, Valencia, Sevilla, and Villarreal to help Atlético finish fourth and qualify for the UEFA Champions League for the first time in over ten years" |
sleekdot:1.I've already explained ad nauseum why I felt parking the bus and playing on the counter was the best way to go...a 0-0 would have been great from our point of view as well. I don't know if it's the same in Germany, but here in England, 1 point is better than no points 2.Chelsea has more big names on their teamsheet...at this point the levels of talent is debatable. This is the exact same thinking that Mourinho warned about when he said this: "I don't think in this moment the players can feel they are top players. Or they are superstars. In this moment they have to be humble, they have to look to Leicester boys and feel these are the stars, these are the top players. They have to look to them and be humble. They have to look to Sundelrand next weekend, and to Watford in two weeks' time and say, 'Hey we are at the same level as you are, I am not the superstar, not the player of season, not the world champion, not the Premier League champion. In this moment I am at your level." I-get-am-before no be trophy. Right now we have a multiple league, UCL, European and World Champion in Pedro...who is playing worse than his junior at Barca in Deulofeu. Diego Costa is a Multiple league winner and UCL finalist, with chart topping experience in goalscoring....cant even compete with Odion Ighalo from Ajegunle. PFA player of the year and onetime projected WPOTY in Hazard has been blown out the water by Riyad Mahrez I be king before mentality is definitely not needed from those players....and that's why I advocated a more pragmatic approach vs the current League Toppers. |
BABANGBALI:If you think you're laughing at a grammatical error, then the joke's on you... |
Lukaku isnt really that good though...all he does is jambody...and his style of play is only suited to tier 2 football Martial is definitely better than him...afterall he has balon d'or clause in his contract and can drimble. |
nateevs:I think you are misunderstanding me. Of course Leicester's position is an anomaly, especially considering that the same team, with almost exactly the same squad narrowly escaped relegation last season... But is it more of an anomaly than the situation we find ourselves in today - The defending champions...in a relegation battle? The PFA player of the year unable to score a single goal? The most miserly defence last season now busted wide open like a cheap ho after multiple trains? Forget all that combined value stuff and focus on the koko on ground. We are not discussing the past or the future. We are discussing RIGHT NOW. And Right Now Leicester are hot...and unfortunately we are not. There must be around 1 billion pound in team Value in the current top 4...and Leicester is still 2 points ahead of all of them. |
nateevs:This kind of thinking is just funny. Leicester are sitting pretty at top of the table and have the two hottest attackers in the league. Combined value counts for nothing...Leicester have to be given the respect they deserve. I don't think you watched Leicester v Arsenal earlier this season. Despite Arsenal passing the ball around sleekly given their better passers, Vardy still put 2 past them. |
JustKay3:Thank you. To be more specific, I was speaking particularly about Leicester. This is a team that have had 44% possession all season! Thy dont go to pass the ball around - They wit for you to pass the ball around, Ngolo Kante wins the tackle, and the ball is swiftly passed to Albrighton\Mahrez\Vardy to chase or run at defenders. My particular line of reasoning was wondering why we would play to their strength... I dont understand why Nateevs keeps insisting that Jose cannot play attacking football - Last season only Man City Outscored us in the league. Hazard created the highest number of chances in the league. Fabregas registered the highest league assists. Diego Costa was the 3rd highest goal scorer in the league. Ivanovic copped the highest goals+assists out of all the defenders in the league All our 4 key attacking assets listed up there are horrifically out of form this year. All of them. What do you want Jose to do? Hypnotise them? Kidnap their wives and kids? What? Jose has moved Fabregas from pivot to 10 to the bench. Costa has been dropped and publicly warned about his movement. Hazard has been moved from left to right to 10 to even 9 and then the bench. This season Jose has played 4231, false 9, and 3 at the back. Cahill has lost his place to Zouma. Matic has been hooked several times. Nothing has worked...because the players have NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH This the issue. This statement from Jose is particularly telling “ Another is that this season we started so badly, individually and collectively, that in the Premier League maybe the sequence of bad results brought the players to a position in the table where they are not scared of relegation, because they don’t feel they belong to the relegation battle, but where they don’t have the motivation to be champions any more, or to be top two or top four. So I think, from both possibilities, one of them can be real.It sounds like the players might have already written this season off, BUT dont believe that they could get relegated.... It looks that way to me. And I think that that ind of mentality is even more dangerous than ever. Jose discusses Costa's terrible movement here...especially his disgusting habit of running to the flanks It was more of a threat and especially because I think the lack of confidence for Diego in front of the goal is bringing him to other areas. When in front of the goal he is not scoring, when in front of the goal he is not fresh mind and critical like he was for all of last season, he is leaving this area. His movements are nearly all from the centre to the sides, coming deep. Central defenders are pressing him, making faults, making contacts, in the last two matches he made two great movements as a striker, one was against Porto for the first goal, another one was today – normally in this situation he has to score. When I saw that situation leaving the box, going around, I put Remy in the box.Even more telling is what Jose says here The players that are not performing well, they must feel for sure, attacked in their pride, their self esteem. They have to do everything to get results in a humble way. I don't think in this moment the players can feel they are top players. Or they are superstars. In this moment they have to be humble, they have to look to Leicester boys and feel these are the stars, these are the top players. They have to look to them and be humble. They have to look to Sundelrand next weekend, and to Watford in two weeks' time and say, 'Hey we are at the same level as you are, I am not the superstar, not the player of season, not the world champion, not the Premier League champion. In this moment I am at your level.'I'm not absolving Jose of any blame here especially as I feel that he has fuckedup in several ways- lack of preseason, allowing Costa back overweight, Eva situation, and his over-antagonistic behaviour - HOWEVER it is very clear that these players are not...well they're not actually playing. I think that the board is happy to see this season out so far that we are not relegated...but I expect quite a few heads to roll in the coming transfer windows. |
Ibime:Top 20 finish in the main league guarantees automatic qualification to FA Cup. Those are the rules....You sef know say na man know man style you use enter FA cup this year |
Mourinholic:That's Leicester's game plan to a T though. Ngolo Kante is making the joint second highest number of tackles per game in the league. They sit deep and choke the space, leave you to pass the ball around in your half, then Kante steals the ball from you and passes it to Vardy or Mahrez. Costa's movement is now terrible...There's no way he find space against that kind of system. The onetime he had a clear chance, he missed it too What Jose should have done is play them at their own game. Punt long balls to them and wait fro them to bring the ball back to us, before picking their pockets. These guys have an average pass accuracy of 71% in the league....They clearly cant play a possession game. I actually said all this last week. That's why I'm so goddamn annoyed... |
Jamie Carragher has backed Jose Mourinho and pointed the finger at Chelsea players for their disastrous season. |
Ibime:FA Cup is completely irrelevant....We are still 8 places above you where it matters. ![]() |
Jose na mumu....If he truly studied Leicester as he claims, he should have ceded possession to them, parked the bus and played on the counter. Leceister have one the lowest Pass-to-shot ratios in the league and have averaged 44% ball possession in the league. They dont pass the ball around, they sit deep, press once the ball gets to midfield and then counter at pace. Last night we had 65% possession...that played right into the foxes hands! This was Jose in June... "What it is, is people who got some idea, some philosophy, and want to create something like 'We build very well from the back, we have a very good ball possession we don't play counter-attack,'" the 52-year-old added.This dude is looking so clueless now, he can't even take his own advice... |
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raumdeuter:Matic IS a world class DM |
raumdeuter:lies Dr Airmark please give him the usual treatment |
Chai...Gent When you flex heavy in the club, but another guy carries the girl you've been eyeing home |
elampiro:Wow...That's actually a very interesting stat. |
chrisley024:We're not. Because I'm challenging the idea that Benzema is overrated. Benzema is one of the top 5 strikers in the game today. |
The PPRO added that investigation was on while efforts had been intensified to apprehend the fleeing DickThis has got to be the throwaway line of the year ![]() |
The only 2 strikers better than Benzema are Suarez and Aguero...and maybe Muller. So 3. And Ibra. Ok so 4 ![]() Everybody else is at best on par. Benzema is like Rooney...He's not just a striker, he's heavily involved in the build up play as well. This guy has notched up a minimum of 10 assists a season since 2012. I dont really want to start extolling the virtues of Benz this morning, cos I'm at work. But daring to mention Aubameyang and Benz in the same sentence is a mortal sin.
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Elxandre:There are currently only 2 strikers that I would pick over Suarez today... I'm not sure what your point is though.... |
Benzema overrated? ![]() It seems like there's always some new bollocks to read everyday on this thread |
John Terry has just said that they were aware of the second setpiece that Manyoo conceded and that Jose had them train against it last week |
Dr Airmark in attendance... My Friend Udeme is a great man.... ![]() |
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