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[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=265238.msg3806108#msg3806108 date=1241123445]ehrrrm, ewww ![]() I thought we got passed this ![]() |
[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=226848.msg3806123#msg3806123 date=1241123658]Ify, you try small o. . . .I'm proud of you ![]() Which love-birds? ![]() |
@pataki, , have you finished using the super computer to discover my identity instead of guessing whether its dummy or dunny or dammy, .@poster, you are OYO, - When the thin dey sweet you, you no know say if fit cause diabetes, i didnt tell her i was married initially because we didnt discuss that and she never asked.- first all this statements smell of bullshit even from a mile away, - Do you wear a ring on your finger, - If yes that you were a ring, then did she see your ring before, during and after the "automatic screw job". - that you are in your mid thirties is not reason for her to guess that you are married, infact if you remove your ring , and you finger shows no ring mark, guess is that she would never know you were married in the first place. - I hope you would grap your manhood next and try to stop the flow of blood from the brain to the place, because frankly, the mere fact that you "overscrewed" yourselfs for 3 days shows that your there was no safety valve to stop the flow of blood from your brain to your manhood. - Just pray that she does not become pregnant by email, otherwise you in trouble be that, - I would advise you to do the following: 1. Go and take an HIV test 2. If you are negative from the HIV test, then fully postrate before her and confess to her what you did. Then hope that she would have mercy on you and take you back. Also make sure you show her the negative HIV Test results. 3. If she forgives you, start seeking marriage counselling about your marriage, sex in your marriage and role playing during sex in your marriage, 4. Then quietly tell the other women to leave you alone and go her way and also ask your wife to forgive the other woman (otherwise that other woman is bound to have some serious spiritual problems) . |
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=266122.msg3805801#msg3805801 date=1241118905]@No2Atheism, Thank you for your outline, I'm sure there's much to digest that's of benefit to all who may consider them. As I would not like to rush to any premature conclusions, let me thank you for the links you offered - in due course I'll take some tiem to consider them as well. That said, I think something of the nature of your enquiry has crossed my path sometime or another (even before I became a Christian, it was one of the features that accentuated my quest to seek out God's name, whatever language that may be). Yet, the remarkable thing is that while I never was able to come to a 'scholarly' conclusion about what that 'Name' was, I was amazed that just calling the name of Jesus Christ turned my life around, saved me and evidently wrought miracles that are still evident in my family. I don't mean these things to negate your points; but isn't it amazing that when His Name is called in 'every tongue and language' of the world in their own translation - and He answers? Men have been saved by that same Name - whether they called Him 'Jesus', or 'Jesu' or 'Yeshua'. This does not suggest, however, that His name should just be translated just about anyhow. A second point is that God is not seeking to make Greeks or Hebrews of any believer. I say this respectfully; for if we contend that His Name should never be translated at all, then none of the Biblical names today would make any sense, don't you agree? Even the appellation 'Messiah' is neither Hebrew nor Greek nor Aramaic, but rather an anglicized term. Perhaps this may also open up a research as to which of the semitic terms is correct between - - Mašíaḥ - Māšîªḥ - Moshiach - משיחא - Məšîḥā - لمسيح - al-Masīḥ or even . . - מלך המשיח, Méleḫ ha-Mašíaḥ We may never arrive at a conclusion, for in this instance every scholar may argue for his own scholarship and language as being the only correct one on the divine term/appellation. Should it be 'Messiah' or 'Christ' or even 'Kristos'? Do these not all carry the same import? Just a thought, though. I must say your exercise and research is worthwhile, so please don't despair. I trust that God Himself will reward your labours for His Name; and whether or not we arrive at the precise articulation or pronunciation (some say 'Yahweh', others 'Jehovah'), may all the Glory be His and His alone for the blessed salvation we have in His Son. Rejoice.[/quote]Thanks for the intelligent and well thought out reply, Secondly, I am not saying that everyone should learn hebrew or greek or english in other to be saved far from it, salvation is not a matter of language, instead what i am saying is that even while people use their language to converse, it would go a long way to avoid deception if the correct spelling/or translation and pronunciation of the real name of the Messiah is used in all the languages. Nevertheless my concern is that if the names of the Creator and the Messiah were not of uttermost importance, the bible would not have place a[b] high emphasis[/b] on them, hence it becomes a highly dangerous thing to continue to allow the wrong names to be used in any of the languages. Infact, the mere fact that we are even discussing this issue now shows you how dangerous it has become because it was not restored in the past. Take for example: ", Everyone has been indoctrinated to believe that the Messiah is White , when world and bible history actually shows us that he's not white, hence imagine the danger such a brainwashing poses to the decisions that would be made by people during the Second Coming of the Messiah, when they find out that the Messiah does not look like they think. Infact am sure some racist white people would simply be too proud to accept such a realisation". Now imagine the kind of catastrophic confusion that would happen during the second coming of the Messiah when people expect him to come in a particular name called "Jesus Christ" and yet instead find out that is actually not His name, don't you think there is a very serious danger of people mistaking the "Real Messiah" for the Anti-Christ and the Anti-Christ for the[i] Real Messiah[/i] merely on the basis of indoctrination with a wrong name. The bible shows that the Devil has always been very good at mixing both truths and lies since the beginning, hence as bible believers i believe its our duties to ensure we speak the truth at all times even if even don't know or can't quantify the effect such a truth would have on what is going on or what might happen. Thirdly, Yourself would notice that all translations of the word Messiah look and sound similar in all the languages that you listed, yet non of them sounds or looks similar to the word "Khristos or Christ" 1. I am not too bother about spelling "so long as they are close " and they bear similarity under different languages. 2. I am also not too bother about pronunciation "so long as they are close" and they bear similarity under different languages. For example, the words Khristos and Christ [/i]both mean "[i]The Annointed" and[b] do not[/b] mean The Messiah, thus there is already a problem just by comparing the spelling, pronunciation and meaning of those words. Please don't take this the wrong way, however one thing i have come to understand is that: The best possible scenario that i have realised is that it is possible the Creator is just showing us grace and mercy for the miracles to keep happening because of the sincerity of heart of the people using the names "Jesus Christ", otherwise, I rather not even conside the other scenario. ---------------- |
I don't claim to be an expert either , instead I am more interested in diligently searching the scriptures to make sure that that which i hold to be true is actually true, cus it is appointed unto man to die once after that judgement, hence i don't want to waste my life and eternity based on indoctrination and brainwashing by evil forces working to deceive and destroy souls via the infiltration of the church. In Hebrew Jesus' name is spelled as "Yeshua." The "Ye" in Yeshua is the abbreviated form of YHWH. "Shua" is from the Hebrew word for salvation, yasha. Jesus' name literally means "YHWH is salvation." The name "Jesus," then, actually contains the name "YHWH" in abbreviated form.1. The points i have highlighted are enough to set off alarm bells, about whether or not they are true or not, cause you would notice that the "author" just performed what is known as bait and switch on you. Please notice the following: - The author explained the name Yeshua but never showed how Jesus is a translation for the name Yeshua. Instead the author subsconsciouly conned you into thinking that Jesus was a translation of the name Yeshua. it was not shown how "Yeshua" translates to "Jesus". - Have you ever come across anywhere in the bible which says that the name of the Messiah was abreviated, hence why is it that you want to believe it when he claims (without proof) that the name "Jesus" was an abbreviated form of the phrase YHWH is Salvation - A full Hebrew name that likewise translates to "YHWH is Salvation" is YAHUSHUA, so why was this not used intead of the greek word "Iesus Khristos". The yoruba name "Babatunde" means "F[/b]ather [b]h[/b]as [b]c[/b]ome [b]b[/b]ack" yet you never see anyone write it as the abbreviation "[b]FHACB" instead it continues to be written as "Babatunde" whether or not you are writing english, german or somalian or whatever. - There is no letter "J" in Hebrew, just as there was no letter "J" in english until a few centuries ago, hence how exactly did the "J" become part of the so called abbreviation. - Jesus is actually the english translation of the greek work "Iesus", so does your quoted author now mean to say that "Iesus" is the greek abbreviation of the Hebrew phrase YHWH is Salvation or what. Likewise the english word "Christ" was translated from the greek word "Khristos". - Even so do you realise that the word "Christ" is not really a name, instead it is a title which means "The Annointed", so can kindly tell me which part of the susposed Hebrew name that was supposed to have been translated or abbreviated to form the word "Christ or Khristos". - Did the Messiah go about bearing an "abbreviation as a name or what" , if not then why are we using a so called abbreviation as His name, when we clearly have the real version of His name. Secondly, 1. Good that you are also trying to find out information from "scholars", nevertheless whatever any so called scholar says mus still be crosschecked with what the bible says. 2. I have nothing to gain by being right and you being wrong, the important thing is that correct and truthful information is tabled as biblical truth. 3. Concerning Hebrew and the possible Hebrew names of the Messiah and which one is considered the correct one and please do yourself a favour by accessing this websites (although it does not mean i believe/support everything they say there). http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html http://www.yrm.org/yrm-videochannel.htm http://yahushua.net/ 4. Instead of telling me to cool down , one way of helping yourself grow and also avoid brainwashing and indoctrination is by trying to understand and answer the questions i have raised point by point and line by line. |
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=266122.msg3805255#msg3805255 date=1241111959]Hallo No2Atheism, While I admire your cogent style, I'm wondering if you could expatiate on the following, among other things: In what context do you mean that the Messiah was never called Jesus Christ?[/quote]Pilgrim.1 longtime no see, am really grateful that you decided to ask this question and , cus i have really been seeking out serious bible study people as concerns this topic. First and foremost, the main context i was talking about centers on the following points, - The Messiah was an Hebrew living amongst Hebrews under a Roman occupation, hence normal bible pattern tells us that He was bound to bear an Hebrew and/or Aramaic name. - Joseph and Mary were also Hebrew hence were bound to have given the Messiah an Hebrew and/or Aramaic name. - The Bible indicates that the Messiah was supposed to come in the Name of His Father, yet the name "Jesus Christ" does not fufill that condition. - The name Jesus Christ is actually an English translation of a Greek version "Iesus Khristos" . - All possible Hebrew/Aramaic names that have been suggested as the original name of the Messiah do not give the Greek name version "Iesus Khristos" even if they were translated to greek. (this was one of the most worrisome alarms) - The name of the Messiah carries a lot of power and spiritual meaning and purpose hence why change it considering that names of ordinary mean still retain most (if not all) of their spelling and pronounciation over time e.g. Julius Ceasar. Secondly, 1. Yes I know its highly dangerous and scary to even consider what am talking about, yet the truth is that one must consider it if one truly wants to follow the Bible and find out the real truth. Hence you can only imagine how worried i was about my own sanity during the beginning. 2. However i discovered to my own amazement that a lot of research by some other people has actually gone into this topic by a lot of other people more knowledgable than me, 3. I did some personal study on the topic before being able to form an opinion, because most nigerian contact emails that i tried to contact did not reply nor give me answers. 4. The conclusion i came was quite disturbing to say the least, Infact I have been asking myself questions (trying to find where i was wrong), been trying to question my own logic so as to make sure there are no loopholes, I have been trying to find a way to explain away the reason why the Messiah was called Jesus Christ in present day bibles, unfortunately uptill now i am yet to find a Biblical/Historial answer as to why the Messiah was being called "Jesus Christ" in our bibles. It bothers me that when the name of an ordinary pagan like "Julius Ceasar" did not change much over the years, yet somehow some people managed to changed the name of the Messiah to something else entirely. 5. My understanding of the bible, human history brought me to the conclusion that in other for me as a believer to be on the save side and avoid being deceived into worshipping the wrong person, its better I try as much as possible to change my vocabulary and instead try to find out and use the real names of the Creator and the Real names of the Messiah. 6. Penultimately, I was forced to seek answers concerning this topic by sending email messages asking detailed questions about the topic to some email address of Deeper Life and Redeem that i could get my hands on, unfortunately, till today i am yet to get even a single reply from them. 7. Nevertheless i was both suprised to notice that this very topic about the name of the Messiah and the name of the Creator has even caused some people to have leave their former churches and their seems to be a lot of underground christian groups discussing this very important topic. Finally to answer your question, would require me to point out some very very long explanations/things i have already pointed out before in some other threads and hence causing me to repeat them. Hence even though am not trying to dogde the question, however I would please beg you to kindly please check the following posts i made in the following threads for the answer you are looking for: - https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=261362.msg3724851#msg3724851 - https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=257235.msg3685799#msg3685799 - https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=261362.msg3724851#msg3724851 - https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=257235.msg3684752#msg3684752 Since i just recently encountered this problem, hence i am likewise not a complete expert on the subject, nevertheless i believe i have come to understand enough to know that there is a really serious problem with calling the name of the Messiah "Jesus Christ". Thus to help get further information about this particular topic kindly check the following useful websites include http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html http://www.yrm.org/yrm-videochannel.htm http://yahushua.net/ (please take note while checking those websites that it does not mean i am endorsing everything on those websites, i am only refering you there because they discussed this very important topic over there). Thirdly please note that i am currently doing my best to use only the bible version known as "RNKJV" this version basically restores all the Real Names of the Creator and Messiah and some other people that had gone missing from the KJV versions, i.e. if you ignore the names, this RNKJV is basically 99.9% the same thing as KJV version. |
Badriyyah: Badriyyah:Then can you help us answer the question: Why Are Black Africans Moslems are Considered Inferior by The Arabs Moslems? |
mukina2:@mukina2 baby, which pics do you want me to post, the one with "you and I" together or the one with " thief of hearts and I" together, or the one where i was forcing Lady Gaga to wear Burqa, considering all those "decent exposure" we she dey give people eyes. |
@OMENUKO The tetragrammoton, YHWH, can be translated as Adonai, Kyrios, Lord, Senor, etc. .Its sad that the best you did was to quote a fallible human being as your source of scriptural authority, instead of checking the scriptures themselve to see whether what they are saying is right or wrong. If the human beings you are quoting were perfect and all knowledgable then they themselves would not need to be saved via the birth, death and ressurection of the Messiah. Being a Cardinal or Pope of the Solar System does not mean the person is right, please open your eyes and stop being fed bullshit. - The operative phrase here is "can be". - Who said it can be used and translated as the words you listed. - When was it said it can be translated and used as the words you listed. - Does the bible support what you just said. - What name did the Creator use to call himself. - Did the Angel tell Mary to call the Messiah an english or latin or greek name. - Did the Creator Himself ever told us not to use is name at all, or did He just tell us not to use His name in vain. - Is the use of the Creator's name during prayer, worship, baptism an act of using it in vain. - Which name were we told to use during Baptism. - Why is it that the identity of an ordinary human being is preserved whether speaking english, yoruba, hausa or spanish or greek, yet it seems so difficult for people to understand that there is a serious problem somewhere when we find out that the words and names "God" and "Jesus Christ" cannot be traced back to ancient scriptures. - "Emmanuel Adebayo" is still pronounced "Emmanuel Adebayo" whether you are speaking english, french, german, dutch, slavic, russian, czech, latin, or hebrew hence who had the audacity to remove the name of the Messiah (an Hebrew) into the words "Jesus Christ" considering that the words "Jesus Christ" do not have an Hebrew/Aramaic equivalent. - When did people started calling the Creator "God" and what was He called before that. - When did people started calling the Messiah "Jesus Christ" and what was he called before that. - Why did the bible put an emphasis on the "Real name" of the Creator and the Messiah if it were not important as it is being insinuated. @OMENUKO In other words, the name 'Lord' can be used interchangeably for the God of Israel (the Old Testament) and for Jesus Christ (Messiah) - Who said the word "Lord" was interchangeable for the Creator and the Messiah. - When did that word become interchangeable. - Was there something wrong with the original names of the Creator and the Messiah. - Why was it necessary to do an interchange. - Did the 10 commandments ever told us not to use the real names of the Creator and the Messiah. - Was the Messiah called "Jesus Christ" while He was still living amongst people on earth. PLEASE LET US BE BIBLE STUDENTS AND STOP SWALLOWING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE INDOCTRINATED WITH, SALVATION IS A PERSONAL THING, HENCE YOU ALONE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE WHEN YOU STAND BEFORE THE JUDGEMENT THRONE, THOSE WHO SUCCEED IN DECEIVING YOU WOULD NOT STAND WITH YOU. STUDY THE BIBLE AND GET TO KNOW THE REAL TRUTH THE MESSIAH WAS NEVER CALLED "JESUS CHRIST", WHY AND WHO REMOVED THE REAL NAME OF THE MESSIAH FROM THE BIBLE KNOWING THAT THE REAL NAME CARRIES SPIRITUAL POWER. THE MESSIAH NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO CREATE A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, HENCE WHY AND HOW DID IT START. PETER NEVER CREATED THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, HENCE WHY AND HOW DID IT START. THERE WERE NO CHURCH BRANCHES DURING THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES, INSTEAD WHAT YOU HAD WERE SEPARATE GEOGRAPHICAL CHURCH UNITED IN THE MESSIAH ALONE. THE MESSIAH NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO KILL IN HIS NAME, HENCE WHY AND HOW HAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ITS DAUGHTERS KILLED PEOPLE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS SUPPOSEDLY IN THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO THEY CALL "JESUS CHRIST". THE MESSIAH NOR APOSTLES NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO COLLECT TITHES. THE MESSIAH NOR THE APOSTLES NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO BECOME BAPTISED AT BIRTH. THE MESSIAH NOR THE APOSTLES NEVER TOLD US TO CELEBRATE EASTER. THE MESSIAH NOR THE APOSTLES NEVER TOLD US TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. WAKE UP PEOPLE AND STOP SWALLOWING THE BULLSHIT |
Saw this funny video via someone on facebook and decided to share it for all to see, it might be related to this topic, it might not nevertheless, sit back and enjoy, [flash=425,355]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/AE9Zrcsb0lw[/flash] |
Saw this funny video via someone on facebook and decided to share it for all to see, [flash=425,355]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/AE9Zrcsb0lw[/flash] |
, yes and it was "Shina Rambo" that shot JF Kennedy, ![]() |
mukina2: ThiefOfHearts:, let the yabbing continue, , , Mukina and TOH, yes you must yab, you must yab, you must yab, --------------------- Seriously speaking that Lady Gaga babe is all dress and no music, (If Asa were white she would be more popular than she is, ) I consider Lady Gaga to be a manufactured star , just like Britney Spears was, its all just to get attention and be more in the press, its not even like the dresses fit her or something. Before you know what's happening she might even want to start going naked sef, |
Badriyyah:Your name sounds like that of a muslim, |
Yes its possible so long as you both have an understanding, |
chukwudi44:1. Simple, because all things (both good and evil) work out for good, i think you know the rest. Romans 8:28 [RNKJV] And we know that all things work together for good [/b]to them that love יהוה, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Hence even all the evils/good perpetrated by the Catholic Church is still only possible if and only if its permited by יהוה (the Creator). 2. Simple, because even demons and lucifer cannot do anything if it is not permitted by יהוה (the Creator) ([b]e.g. Job), hence because they were given permission to compile the books does not mean they are the authors of the books or authority over the books. This becomes easy to understand when you consider that just as Lucifer did not become good overnight because He had permission from יהוה (the Creator) to do certain things during the time of "Job", likewise it does not mean that the Catholic Church is the final authority on the bible just because they were given permission to compile it. 3. History shows that the Catholic church still tried to smuggle in the "heretic books" known as the Apocryphal Books into the bible, however Glory be to יהוה (the Creator) they were only able to succeed for so long, more and more people are getting to know their dark and dirty little secrets, WE DO NOT NEED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OR ANY OTHER PASTOR FOR THAT MATTER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAYS, THAT IS THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, HENCE WE DON'T NEED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO TELL US WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD USE THE NAME OF יהוה (the Creator), THE BIBLE CLEARLY TELLS AND SHOWS US THAT WE CAN, HOW WE CAN AND WHEN WE CAN. |
Pataki:dammy koo dummy nii ![]() No more gra gra for heere, |
[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=265238.msg3800863#msg3800863 date=1241041973]N2A, better tell us who you are before I do my own digging.[/quote]toyin tomato, i tut you said you only have pelebes , sho, which digging you wan do , make i comot road before u start ur digging |
Moonstone:[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=267349.msg3801792#msg3801792 date=1241066727]no need to wonder why[/quote]@Toyinrayo, I don't have the attitude of your typical black guy (either African or African American), infact i have a bias for being only attracted to "Black Sisters", nevertheless am just curious to know why you support Moonstone (who's black) when she said that "Spectacular Black American" women that she knows tend to date white boys. Consider this as an opportunity to enligthen your black brothers, cus truth is that "White People would not train you Black brothers for you", it is still you black ladies that still have to train and get the message across to you black brothers. So toyinrayo can you please kindly explain why you said there is no need to wonder why, ------------------------------------------------------ Secondly, my opinion about this issue is this: 1. The Black American culture is gradually losing a little bit of its family values hence some black american sisters were never trained about how to behave properly when it comes to their relationships with a man. Nevertheless this does not mean that all Black American Sisters are difficult. 2. Yes i agree that some Black American Sisters might be difficult by their own personal choices irrespective of their upbringing, nevertheless at the same time there are still a lot of Beautiful, Humble and Understanding Black American women around, hence all men have to do, is to allow themselves to be controlled by their head and heart and not their "joysticks", hence that way it would become easy for them to identify and relate to those beautiful and understanding Black American women. 3. At the end of the day, I believe it all has to do with personal choices and strenght of character of the man and woman in question. Some men like women with fiesty characters and some don't, nevertheless that does not mean thats an opportunity for people to generalise that Black American Women are or are not difficult. 4. , difficult or not, at the end of the day, I think it all boils down to personal preferences, I would still go for and am still attracted to Black Women (African, Black American, Carribean et al) e.g. Toyinrayo can testify to how I was drolling all over[b] Toyosi[/b], until an unfortunate information/personal decision forced me to back off and remain single.SO WHETHER OR NOT SOME PEOPLE CLAIM BLACK AMERICAN WOMEN ARE DIFFICULT OR NOT, IS REALLY IRRELEVANT, BECAUSE I STILL HAVE THE HOTTIES FOR THEM AND THEIR OTHER BLACK COUNTERPARTS ALL OVER THE WORLD. I WOULD RATHER CHOOSE A ANGRY AND BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMAN OVER A WHITE WOMAN I WOULD RATHER CHOOSE A ANGRY AND BEAUTIFUL BLACK AMERICAN WOMAN OVER A WHITE WOMAN I WOULD RATHER CHOOSE A ANGRY AND BEAUTIFUL BLACK AFRICAN WOMAN OVER A WHITE WOMAN I WOULD RATHER CHOOSE A ANGRY AND BEAUTIFUL BLACK CARRIBEAN WOMAN OVER A WHITE WOMAN GIVE ME EBONY SHAKES OVER PINK FLOYD ANYTIME ANYDAY , CUS AS THEY SAY, ONCE YOU GO BLACK, YOU NEVER GO BACK, ![]() I rest my case |
are you sure, |
[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=226848.msg3799747#msg3799747 date=1241028357] Mr. Toyin will know o.What am I doing? |
grafikdon:does it concern you even if we melt inside each other, abi you never hear of vanilla chocolate flavour before, ![]() |
Toyin what you are doing is not fair and you know it, |
Toyin, u, win, gast to go do something else now |
LOL , ![]() |
[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=226848.msg3799488#msg3799488 date=1241026059]rotflmao. I guess you dnt want to talk over lunch then. I'll pay[/quote]That was the same trick you used for me the last time, you took me out and then i later woke up with both my pelebes paining me, |
nkporo! kooo odiegwu niii, ![]() |
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