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There is no Ronaldo to save you people and hence everyone is now seeing how ordinary you really are . . . .

sauron u better bring ravel morisson into the team or should we loan u wilshere

symbianDON:
these are indeed perilous times. the sad thing is that most of those affected must have been honest, dedicated and enthusiastic about their duties. to those affected, please take courage and remember that the downfall of a man does not necessarily mean the end of his life. see everything as a huge challenge. cheers.

Exactly am glad someone else understands how things operate in nigeria . . .

- its difficult for the honest and dedicated ones to meet financial targets in a realistic environment.
- its usually the corrupt and shaddy ones that usually end up meeting targets.
- logic dictates that most banks would prefer to retain the ones that meet the financial targets . . .hence logic also dictates that it means the banks have not really purged themselves of bad eggs but instead they might have increased the concentration of bad eggs.
- hence logic dictatest that those sacked are most probably the ones with honest track record but with inability to meet financial targets.

Alloy wats the question behind the picture that you poster

- is it how many people do you see or what . . . : I think i see 5 people (in that picture)

duduspace:
Sauron's statements can be very annoying atimes, he has no basis for his statements aside from an obviously biased Mr. Winter. Lets compare the careers of both players so far.

Ravel Morrison: born 02 February 1993
Won nothing so far
Not even a guaranteed starter in the current England Under 17s
Member of Manure's youth academy team currently lying 2nd in their division and 5 points behind leaders Blackburn rovers (albeit with game in hand).
Hasn't even played for the manure reserves (who aren't exactly setting their division alight) yet.

Jack Wilshere: born 01 January 1992
Victory shield winner with England at U16 level
FA youth cup winner(U18) at 17 years old, (with multiple MOM awards and still eligible to play in it for the next 2 seasons)
FA Premiership academy league winner (U18) at 17 years old
Current youngest member of the England U21 team

At this stage last year, Jack Wilshere had won Man of the match awards during Arsenal's Carling cup run including beating Wigan a PL club 3-0 in the carling cup (given bottles of champagne he couldn't drink cos of his age), even if you allow for age, Morrison is yet to achieve such a feat this year and even seems to find it difficult holding his own against his age mates.

Both Sauron and Mr. Winter must be on some very bad pills, I think the only youth matches Mr. Winter watches are those involving manure and he definitely has his red tinted glasses on during those matches.

I hope Sauron does not collapse from seeing your statistics . . .

Sauron is not the first person on nairaland that tries to haul personal insults when they have nothing more to contribute hence am not suprised, and it only shows he is behaving true to type. Personally I know that using insults is a tactics to try to muddle up the argument hence i would not allow him to succeed in doing that.


The issue is about Wilshere and Morisson. . . and not about personal insults.

As far as Wilshere and Morisson are concerned, Wilshere is a prodigy and Morisson is just an above average footballer.


Its good you even came out with these stats . . . lets hope Sauron does not dismiss them and go for Winter's opinion instead.

From statistics: Wilshere is far far far . . . very far far better than Morisson

From reviews: Wilshere is a prodigy. . . while Morisson is considered as just a prospect.

From Youtube videos: Wilshere is a obviously certainly better than Morisson


Hence it seems its quite disingenious that Sauron ignores all these parametero of comparison . . . and yet continues to parrot the propaganda that Morisson is anything other than just a mere above average footballer.

Piers Corbyn (a scientist)  ridicules Global Warming Scam supporters on television . . .

Listen, Watch and Learn and continue to see for yourself that Global Warming is a Fraud and Scam


[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ZW5OjuB-o9Y&feature=channel[/flash]


[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zM1VzC3d9ic&feature=channel[/flash]


[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rd8C-do4LTA&feature=channel[/flash]


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[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144436#msg5144436 date=1261186762]It's not an excuse cos it belittles your nous.
When u typed "Raven Morrison" in your search. .did you even bovver to check whether anything related to Man Utd came out of your search? No!
I believe that shoulda told you something was wrong but because your intelligence is limited, you couldn't be bovvered. . . .

But a student still in the academy managed to cop more google hits than a squad member at Arsenal.
What does that say about Wilshere?

Hahahaha, i only posted that so you will know the media hype surrounding Arsenal kids are LIES.
The best young talents in this country are produced at Carrington Complex.
United have produced Ballon d'Ors, PFA player of the year, etc.

Tell us what Arsenal academy have produced apart from rapists, cheats and touts. . . . [/quote]- I would ignore the insult about the intelligence thing cus its not really worth a mention . . . ask around on nairaland, I don't do personal insults hence i would not allow you to divert the attention of this discussion with your attempts at insults . . . . the bottom line still remains that:

Wilshere is a prodigy . . .Morrison is just an above average player amongst mediocres . . . end of story.  

- Does that mean . . . that you are saying a player's talent is a consequence of his number of google hits . . .yes its true i was trying to use it to make fun of u . . .but please the reality is that google hits say nothing how good a player is cus those hits can be for different things.

Please help me check the following vidoes of Ravel Morrison and tell me whats so spectacular about him that Sauron is making noise about . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe29Nc9D5I

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0xe29Nc9D5I[/flash]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPmSfXXhDok

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/xPmSfXXhDok[/flash]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4BFIDy_ARA

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y4BFIDy_ARA[/flash]


He looks so ordinary like your typical average player who is barely better than his peers nothing spectacular about him at all in my opinion.

[size=18pt]No wonder the English press is not hyping him up . . . .[/size]





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Now compare the Prodigous and Outstanding talent and football brains of Jack Wilshere below :




http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/H93S5KWgNL4

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/H93S5KWgNL4[/flash]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related[/flash]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM08y5sFamA&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/BM08y5sFamA&feature=related[/flash]

[size=28pt]In fact its an insult to Wilshere for you to compare Morrison to him . . .[/size]

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144388#msg5144388 date=1261186092]@ No2Atheism,

There's no reason anyone should take you serious on this thread.
If you can mix up simple things like someone's name on google then your judgement over issues like this will be distorted.[/quote]Save me the ridiculous excuse abeg . . .

Ravel Morrisson is average and you know it hence the reason you are hiding behind a simple thing like a google search error . . .

Stop using youtube since you claim you do not believe in youtube . . . or is double standard you middle name . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144319#msg5144319 date=1261184781]There are 50 stuffs like that lying around the webspace. . . . .
Henry Winter is too credible to be fibbing about Morrison.[/quote]In essence you are using the same stuff that you do not want others to use . ,   

This is Man Utd not a pathetic club like Arsenal.
Prodigious talents like Forlan, Rossi, Pique, Alan Smith and co couldn't break into the starting XI and you expect Morrison to do that at 16?

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa muaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

He appears [/b]to be a prodigy but[b] Morrison is better than him.
Wilshere is a charlatan.

-  You are not sure about the first yet you are sure about the second . . . how can you compare when you are not even sure about the person you are comparing with .

- Evidences show that Morrison is just your usual average over hyped english man . . . 

- I say so(U are biased): Your biased opinion 

- Capello says so(Capello never said he is better than Morrison): rigmarolling . . . .

- UEFA says so(UEFA hasn't seen Morrison) - Perhaps cus he was not on the radar . . . except on Sauron's radar.

- Youtube shows so.(How so?) : Check the videos showing the performances of Morrison and that of Wilshere . . . i have already posted those videos.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144261#msg5144261 date=1261183931]What is Google news search?
Look at this man. . . . . . . .Wilshere is a graduate already. . . .Morrison is still in the academy.
Of course, Wilshere should be in the news more because he has started games for Arsenal.

However, Morrison has not even played at senior level. . . . .He is only 16.
A prodigious talent that is being tipped to emulate George Best.
Wilshere himself will slap your face if you tell him he's better than Morrison.

What Morrison does on the pitch are stuffs of legends. . . . . He sodomises opponents effortlessly with skills Wilshere can only dream about.

https://i33.tinypic.com/2uztftz.gif
U need to see his goal after this brilliant piece of football skill.
That is Morrison sodomising a Blackburn defender.[/quote]- I tut you said one youtube clip is not really something how come you are then using it  . . .even a djemba djemba would look good in this kind of cut outs that you are using . . .

- He is 16 and yet to break into the team . . .how sad . . .

Stop deceiving yourself . . . morisson is simply not good enough to even compare him to Wilshere. . . . . . 

Wilshere is a prodigy . . .

- I say so.
- Capello says so.
- UEFA says so.
- Youtube shows so.
- Fans say so.

What is Google news search?

Nevertheless Wilshere has more hits on the Google News search than Ravel Morisson . . . so i still have something to use to make fun of Sauron . . . about his average mid-table team player known as "Ravel Morisson"

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144197#msg5144197 date=1261183071]Look at the time it took to extract Morrison's 398,000 hits to Wilshere's 173,000?

Seriously, i think your football knowledge should be questioned after this.
If you have not heard about Morrison until tonight then you are not a seasoned soccer-buff.

With this, i end this debate.
Have a snowy weekend. [/quote]

- You are going for the knockout i guess . . .  . . .its your time to shine . . . cus of one simple typo and google related mistake.

- Yes It was a mistake that caused the google hits thingy . . .

- Nevertheless that does not invalidate the other things i mentioned about UEFA, Capello and Telegraph . . . that you are running away with a phantom victory just goes to show how weak the whole argument about Ravel Morisson really is . . .

Wilshere is far far far better than Ravel Morisson . . . even if Ravel was given what Mutu was taking . . . 

;d ;d ;d

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144119#msg5144119 date=1261182115]That is a lie. . . . .Type Ravel Morrison and Jack Wilshere on Google and count the number of hits.
The print you posted has been altered. . . . .You are a text fraud!!!![/quote]You are bitting on that one abi . . . see this man . . he has seen something to bail him out of the battering i was giving him . . . now he is sinking his teeth in the simple typo . . . .


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I hate to admit this . . . but Sauron is correct, Ravel Morisson has more hits on normal Google search than Wilshere . . . hence my attempt to make fun of Sauron via that method has failed miserably . . . . . . i apologise for my error.

Nevertheless Wilshere has more hits on the Google News search than Ravel Morisson . . . so i still have something to use to make fun of Sauron . . . about his average mid-table team player known as "Ravel Morisson"

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144095#msg5144095 date=1261181780]Dayokanu, our PSYCH EVALUATION of Arsenal fans have been proven right again.
No2Atheism cannot even discern between RAVEL and RAVEN. [/quote]Edit:

Sauron it don do  or you wan club me in the head with the typo . . .  . . .  . .


Nevertheless despite all the hoopla about my typo . . . . "Ravel Morrison" still has nothing on Wilshere as the updated Google news search shows and also as the earlier arguments clearly show . . .

- Nevertheless Ravel Morrison still has less google news hits than Wilshere . . .  (damage control  )

- I have corrected my post . . . . and image  . . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144081#msg5144081 date=1261181575]You are a stark illiterate. . . .  

His name is RAVE[b]L [/b]MORRISON, you googled Rave[b]n[/b] Morrison, u dolt.

Ravel Morrison has 398,000 hits.
Jack Wilshere has 171,000 hits.

I think that should end this argument.


This is why i say NOT all GAYnners on Nairaland are retards but ALL the retards on Nairaland are GAYnners.[/quote]

debosky:
Bollocks - it simply proves there are far more unemployed chavs up in Manchester who spend their entire day reading about scumtwat youngins. 

chai Sauron don catch me  . . .  . . . my bad 

edit . . . as a result if an embarrasing errors . . .

more . . .

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[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5144005#msg5144005 date=1261180645]U can rant, bark, use big fonts, post hundreds of Youtube Videos[b] but the FACT remains Ravel Morrison is BETTER than Jack Wilshere[/b].
I have posted a Sports Journo's honest assessment that mentioned the 2 players in discussion and concluded Morrison is the better talent.

In all the drivel you have posted. . . . .Nothing was said about Wilshere being better than Morrison.
They are just hyping Wilshere as usual just like Walcott, Gibbs and Lansbury were hyped before their career went pear-shaped.

Do me a favour, put any link on the web where any journalist directly compared Wilshere to Morrison and concluded Wilshere was the better talent.
I have Henry Winter as ma own back-up . . . . .Name yours!!!
Arsenal are not known to produce precocious talents. In Man Utd, it's TRADITION. We produce Ballon d'Ors. . . . .Wenger dreams about them. [/quote]1. By they i think you mean Uefa and Capello and a lot of football fans . . .
2. The same Capello that is England manager . . .
3. Morrison is average and the best amongs the rugrats at manutd . . .
4. Henry Winter is a nobody as far as I am concerned (i don't even know the man sef until you mentioned his name he is simply is a quantum fluctuation that is bound to caolesce back into the backgroud echo of Footbal press ) . . . even Aondoaka would say anything to please certain people . . .  

Do me a favour, put any link on the web where any journalist directly compared Wilshere to Morrison

- Cus as far as the footballing world is concerned he (Raven Morrison) does not even exists hence there is not even any need for comparison  . . . I did not know nor heard of him even before you mentioned his name . . .


See how many clubs are fighting over themselves just to loan a young player by the name of Jack Wilshere . . . i can currently hear the pin drop as far as Raven Morrison is concerned ,  .  

Check out the Google news search as related to wilshere and morrison . . .   . . .classic.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5143919#msg5143919 date=1261179724]Wilshere is so talented, he is being sent on loan to Burnley to hone his skills.

Can AC Milan loan Pato out?
Did Barcelona loan Messi and Bojan out?
Was Rooney loaned out while at Everton?
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge will die before anyone loans Toni Kroos out to another club.

Ferguson will start a world war before he loans out Ravel Morrison.

Wilshere is nothing but a piece of asswipe. [/quote]We do not need your advise on how to treat our players . . . and that is not the point of this discussion . . . I am not going to allow you to change the topic . . . 


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The topic is about Raven Morrison and Jack Wilshere . . .

Raven Morrison is your typical average mid-table team player. . . nothing special or spectacular about him, he is just the best of the average bunch around him at Manchester United . . . nothing more nothing less.

Jack Wilshere is far far far . . . very far . . . much far . . . far far far a better player than Raven Morisson is . . . 

Please help me check the following vidoes of Raven Morrison and tell me whats so spectacular about him that Sauron is making noise about . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe29Nc9D5I

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0xe29Nc9D5I[/flash]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPmSfXXhDok

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/xPmSfXXhDok[/flash]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4BFIDy_ARA

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y4BFIDy_ARA[/flash]


He looks so ordinary like your typical average player who is barely better than his peers nothing spectacular about him at all in my opinion.

[size=18pt]No wonder the English press is not hyping him up . . . .[/size]


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Now compare the outstanding talent and football brains of Jack Wilshere below :




http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/H93S5KWgNL4

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/H93S5KWgNL4[/flash]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related[/flash]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM08y5sFamA&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/BM08y5sFamA&feature=related[/flash]

[size=28pt]In fact its an insult to Wilshere for you to compare Morrison to him . . .[/size]

more . . . to expose that Morrison is not even comparable to Wilshere . ,

more . . . to expose that Morrison is not even comparable to Wilshere . ,

more . . . to expose that Morrison is not even comparable to Wilshere . ,

more . . . to expose that Morrison is not even comparable to Wilshere . ,

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5143803#msg5143803 date=1261178037]Mention any player from the Arsenal academy that has won Ballon d'Or like Bobby Charlton or George Best.
Those players were produced by United academy. . . .Okay, scratch that. . . .that was years ago.

How many quality players in Arsenal can live up to Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Neville Brothers, David Platt, etc.
Are you aware Arsenal kids have not won anything at senior level in the history of football? United's kids won the Premiership title.

Till date, only Ashley Cole, Clichy and Bendtner are Wenger's products since he conceived his mission to copy SAF by using kids to win the EPL.

U must be an illiterate not to have seen Henry Winter's assessment about Wilshere and Morrison.
He clearly stated Morrison is BETTER than Wilshere and Gibbs.
Read again.[/quote]- I don't do personal insults hence I am not moved by such statements . . . you are making in an attempt to change the topic.

- We are not talking about whether Wenger is better than Ferguson or not . . . that is not the topic of this discussion, open another thread if you seek to discuss that.

- My response about Rooney and others was meant to show readers that you were being deceptive when you included them as if they were developed by Ferguson via the Academy despite that its obvious to a blind man and his dog that they were bought after they had proven themselves to be premeireship quality and not before.


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The issue here is that:

- Your fanatic preference for Man Utd is making you unable to clearly see that Raven Morrison is not even close to Wilshere , infact Raven Morrison is average . . . to be exact.

Henry Winter is just one unknown person  to me . . . and I would not be suprised if he is one of those ManUtd apologists that:

- English Press believes otherwise contrary to wat Sauron believes.

- Football fans believes otherwise contrary to wat Sauron believes.

- Youtube videos show otherwise contrary to wat Sauron believes.

- Senior level games shows that Wilshere is capable of being special even amongst premiereship quality players . . .

- Youtube videos shows that Morrison is barely better than the other youth team players he is playing with . . .

- Even Fabio Capello considered the option of Jack Wilshere . . .yet here you are talking about the average player known as Morrison . . .   . . . imagine the insult.

- Even UEFA recognised the talent of Wilshere yet . . .Morrison is nowhere to be found . . .  
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under17/news/kind=1/newsid=830804.html

- more reviews for Wilshere . . . .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/5965333/Jack-Wilshere-heads-list-of-future-Arsenal-stars.html

The sports reviews . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5143724#msg5143724 date=1261177064]Henry Winter:

This is the club boss who could supply more than half of England's starting XI in Ben Foster, Wes Brown, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Owen Hargreaves and Rooney, let alone cultivating Ravel Morrison as a potential gem for 2014.

Better than Kieran Gibbs and Jack Wilshere, certainly up there with Jack Rodwell, if Morrison does emerge as the pre-eminent English footballer of his generation, it will be because of a certain Scot's shrewd guidance.
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Enough said!!!
Keep posting Youtube Videos.
Eboue's Youtube videos make him better than Zidane and Zico cloned together.

P.S. Henry Winter is not a Nairalander. . . . .He is a Sports Correspondent for Daily Telegraph. [/quote]
Rooney was bought from Everton where he developed.
Ferdinand was bought from Westham.
Hargreaves was bought from Bayern.
Carrick was bought from Tottenham

Notice that all of them were bought after they had established themselves as premiereship quality players and not before . . .

Brown and Foster are middle team players at best . . .


So what quality youth team players are you really talking about . . . can you please come again . . .

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By the way . .  . do not try to change the topic. . . you were talking about Raven Morrison being better than Wilshere . . .

- English Press believes otherwise.
- Football fans believe otherwise.
- Youtube videos show otherwise.
- Senior level games shows that Wilshere is capable of being special even amongst premiereship quality players . . .
- Youtube videos shows that Morrison is barely better than the other youth team players he is playing with . . .

Sauron do not change the topic . . .


Do not insult Jack Wilshere by comparing him to Morrison . . . you are better off comparing an Arsenal 13-year old player to Morrison 

Please help me check the following vidoes of Raven Morrison and tell me whats so spectacular about him that Sauron is making noise about  . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe29Nc9D5I

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0xe29Nc9D5I[/flash]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPmSfXXhDok

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/xPmSfXXhDok[/flash]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4BFIDy_ARA

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y4BFIDy_ARA[/flash]


He looks so ordinary like your typical average player who is barely better than his peers nothing spectacular about him at all in my opinion.

[size=18pt]No wonder the English press is not hyping him up . . . .[/size]


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Now compare the outstanding talent and football brains of Jack Wilshere below :




http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/H93S5KWgNL4

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/H93S5KWgNL4[/flash]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related[/flash]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM08y5sFamA&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/BM08y5sFamA&feature=related[/flash]

[size=28pt]In fact its an insult to Wilshere for you to compare Morrison to him . . .[/size]