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aksat:
@ No2Atheism you are just beating about the bush. if you cannot provide the date that Jesus was born then you have to shut up your mouth (sorry) and let us celebrate our Lord Jesus Christ.

- I don't do personal insults . . . please ask around on nairaland hence your insulting statements means nothing to me . . . and would not result in me stop saying what I am saying.

- Let me repeat:

I AM SAYING CHRISTMAS IS UNBIBLICAL MEANING THAT IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE AND IT IS NOT SANCTIONED BY THE BIBLE.

- This means that the Bible did not tell us the date he was born . . . hence since the bible did not tell us the date he was born, no one knowns the date he was born.

- This means that anyone who chooses a date is wrong and heretical.

- This means that anyone who chooses to celebrate what the bible did not tell us to celebrate is wrong and heretical.

- This means that anyone who is asking for me to provide a date is merely using a straw man argument.

- I do not know the date and I don't care because it is irrelevant and not needed before I know that christmass is heretical.

- I know that 25th Decemember is a pagan date of worship . . . therefore once again i repeat:


- The date when he was born is irrelevant simply because you are assuming that it is relevant. . .

- The bible did not tell us the date when He was born. . .

- We know from Historical records that 25th December is a pagan day and that it has nothing to do with the Bible. . .

- The bottomline still remains that it is unbiblical to celebrate Christmas. . .

Well, Christmas is not only a time for eating and having fun but a time to check your life and make amends. Many people are celebrating whom they did not know. Do you Know Jesus, the Reason for the Season? If not then you are definately not celebrating Christmas but something else. Give your life to Him today and you will never regret you did.

- Once again you show you do not know what you are talking about . . .

- When you know the Messiah, you do not need to celebrate Christmas . . .

- The Bible told us to keep The Creator's Words and to obey them . . .hence since Christmas is not in the bible and you are choosing to celebrate it (a pagan day), it means you are willingly choosing to give honour to false gods . . . despite that The Creator instructed us not to worship any graven image.

- Salvation has nothing to do with christmas . . . so stop trying to imply that there is a connection between Christmas and Salvation.

- Salvation inherently implies that the person agrees that he was born, that he died for our sins and that he rose again . . . and is seated at the right hand of The Father.

- Hence someone does not need to celebrate Christmas before acknowledging the birth, death and ressurrection of The Messiah. . . this is inherently implied when one accepts The Good News . . . and becomes a bible believer.

- The devil is capable of pretending to be an angel of light hence because you are using christian sounding words during Christmas still does not mean it is biblical . . .what is bad is bad, it does not have any other name . . .


Christmas is Heretical . . .if you believe it is not then please feel free to show me from The Bible.

olatayor:
From the report gathered from cnn.the bomber has a nigerian identity.but his name doesnt match to a regular nigerian name.i wonder whats goin on.

- I also suspected that he might not be a Nigerian . . . nevertheless i became convinced he might actually be a Nigerian cus it was reported he is a student in London.

- Do not suprised about him having a funny name . . . . some nigerian muslims have been brainwashed to the point that they hate their own cultural name and instead prefer to call themselves Arabic sounding names  . . .hence another thing now is that there is no guarantee that he is even a Northerner . . .cus its very possible he might even be a southerner (who decided to adopt Arabic names).

- I would correct my posts accordingly . . .

Hence I hereby apologise to Northerners for rushing to the conclusion that he might be a Northerner. . . I am wrong to assume he is a Northerner, cus there is a good chance he might even be a Southerner.

The annoying thing now is that I was trying to grow a beard, now I am going to be forced to shave the beard so that Westerns do not start mistaking me for a muslim. . .  

Uche2nna:
That was my initial reaction when I went thru Ola's missive.
However, muslims like Ola will quickly point out the fact that these dastardly acts are carried out by muslim extremists.
Going by frequency of these acts, it seems that muslims like Ola are in the minority and the[b] majority are extremists[/b]. That in itself is a huge problem

You have been deceived into thinking there is moderate muslim and extremist muslim . . .

- I do not believe Olabowale for one minute . . .

- Seems you do not understand what is known as Al -Taqiya . . .this means that muslims are permitted to lie to non-muslims in order to propagate islam, hence Olabowale is permitted to lie in public as if he opposes those people while infact what is he is doing is just mere practise of Al Taqiya. . . think of Al Taqiya as the concept known as the "Enemy Within"

- Olabowale knows that what those terrorists are doing is correct and acceptable by Allah hence do not make the mistake of thinking he opposes. . .

- A True muslim is one who obeys Allah . . .

- If Olabowale does not obey Allah then he is not a true muslim . . .

- Allah allows muslims to practise Al Taqiya, hence a true muslim can pretend not to support the killing of jews and christians, yet infact he or she is secretly doing so but instead he or she is just merely publicly practising Al Taqiya.

- A True muslim is one who behaves like the Osama bin Laden . . . A True muslim is one who chooses to kill jews and christians (cus Allah told muslims to kill jews and christians).

Double N:
Abeg o!!!Before this War Mongers will find an excuse to come and invade and take over all the crude oil just like Afghanistan and Iraq!

Exactly . . . it seems a number of muslims simply do not understand and think things through before doing . . . don't they realise that:

- they are powerless against americans as far as military might is concerned, hence they would always get slaughtered when america chooses to go to war with them . . .

- they are going to cause invasion of Nigeria if this continues. . .

- america can choose to defeat arab and muslims counties in just one day "cus they have the military weapons to do that" . . .hence i don't understand why this muslims keep choosing to look for trouble.

- america is just looking for an excuse to invade countries, create more market for their military industrial complex and foster their oil interests . . . hence i don't understand why some muslims seem hell bent on giving america and excuse to invade Nigeria.

- the reason they are in Iraq and Afghanistan is not because they can't win the war there, they have more than enough bombs to bomb both Iraq and Afghanistan and hence kill almost everybody there . . . instead the reason america chooses to suffer causualties there is because they are actually choosing to occupy those two countries . . . hence the normal causualities that comes from occupation.

FL Gators:
N2A, Merry Christmas, darl. Hope you savedme some turkey.
Sick, just sick.

darl

. . .I have changed hence i don't even know how to comment to that without sounding cold.

N2A, Merry Christmas. Hope you savedme some turkey.

- I am alright, hope you are alright too . . .

- Fortunately for me I am not down with the christmas thingy . . . hence its just another day for me as a person . . .

olabowale:
@No2atheism: Could you try to call yourself no to rational thinking? how many muslims in Nigeria and the world over, whereby a few (lets just say a million for argument sake, lets even say 1 million too in the issue of nigerian 419. is 1 million enough to sinerely broad stroke either group, without consideration to some among them who do not fit the hallmark?) now defines presently over 1.5 billions people?

how about christianity or judaism or other religions and cults; do you have some actions that can be termed terrorism act(s) by a single soul on the planet? if there had been one, could those people who were affected be happy just because the actors are not muslims? I was reading something yeaterday about the people of Israel were the inventors of terrorism; Ishak Shamir, and others including menechem began killed people behind the cloud  of their israeli nation struggle.

a person who intended to kill anybody, especially an innocent person who has done nothing to you, directly to undermine your existence is a terrorist. Islam teaches that no one should start a fight. but if you are to fight however, there is guideline to follow. that includes protecting a party from those whom you are fighting, when they want your protection agianst their own comrade, etc.

Christianity has no such guideline, and definitely the jews are worse, and everything spiral even steeper in evil deeds, as you go to other groups. Look Islam calls for no consumption of alcohol, yet you have some indulging in it. this is just an example of some possibility of a few rotten apples in a bushel or many bushels. there is no homogenous community on earth. the 23 years old guy, whatever made him do this evil thing, only he and the All Knower know. As a muslim, i will not worry myself too much about what another man, who is a muslim does, espectially when it is against Islam. its the same way that i off handledly dismiss those who marry more than four wives, or those who engage in businesses that Islam advocates against, or those who keep malice or those who meter out "justice or punishment" that is obviously against the rule of Islamic Sharia!

I am grateful to Allah for allowing my heart to have Islamic Faith, even in the face of its unpopularity. And dont wish me merry christmas, since am not a christian, and all those I know did not wish me well in my own Islamic celebrations, which I did not impose on them. But they havent stopped wishing me from what they celebrate.

Edit:

- Please save me the nonsense . . . I do not reckon with your Allah cus he is just a mere Moon God as far as I am concerned . . . hence I do not have any respect for anyone that continues to bows down to the idol known as Allah. . . despite after knowing the truth about Mohammed (being a liar, peadophile and so on), Allah (being a moon god and so on) and Islam (propagated through either marriage to as many women as possible, bribery, deceit, al taqiyah, forced conversion, violence and intimidation)

- The sad thing is that a few educated Yoruba muslims are also starting to behave like there northern counterparts, meaning that at some point in the future: THERE IS BOUND TO BE RELIGIOUS PROBLEM IN YORUBA LAND.

- Mohammed is a liar and peadophile . . .

- Allah is the moon god hence i can careless about muslim feelings . . .I have had enough of muslim Nigerians creating problems for non-muslim Nigerians. . . first it was killing of christians in the north, now it is being exported to Western countries hence thereby creating problems for other Nigerians in those countries . . .

[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=371719.msg5186895#msg5186895 date=1261805891]But this guy is also a US citizen, why is his Nigerian citizenship glaring?[/quote]- If he is really an American citizen . . . then its obvious why he is being mentioned as a Nigerian.

- Because its part of Western interest to only mention that he is Nigerian . . .

- This goes to show to all the European wannabe Black people that when push comes to shove, the Western world does not see you as a Westerner but instead they see you as your blood lineage. . . meaning that even if you are a Nigerian American citizen, that still does not make you an American in the eyes of those in power in America, instead you are just a mere statistics cus as far as they are concerned.

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- To make things worse , he is also being reported to be a Student in London . . . hence not only is he going to create problems for Nigerians in the US, he is obviously going to create problems for Nigerians in UK also . . .

Edit:

- I think its high time we solve this bad global image that islam is giving non-muslims Nigerians . . . . . . its bad enough that 419 is already giving Nigeria a bad global image.

al Qaeda Man from Nigeria (on No Fly List) Tries to Blow Up Northwest Airlines Flight

A guy who was not supposed to be on an airplane tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines flight today on its way to Detroit. A 23-year-old Nigerian man tried to light a powdery substance aboard a Northwest Airlines flight before landing in Detroit on Friday. According to ABC News sources, the man claimed he was directed by al Qaeda to set off an explosion on the plane. Two people noticed the attempt ignite the device and a third person jumped on the man and subdued him. The man is being treated at the burn unit of the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, officials said.

- This is bound to make life more difficult for legitimate Nigerians travelling abroad . . .

- How are we sure he is really a Nigerian . . .

- He is either a proper terrorist or a retarded person cus the mere fact that he is 23 yr old means he certainly knows that a fireworks is dangerous on a plan. . .

- What the heck is wrong with people . . .  

- Now you see why even the educated muslims on Nairaland are dangerous cus one minute they may look sane . . . the next minute they might just decide to kill themselves for the sake of Allah despite their education  . . .

- People wonder why I do my best to expose islam on nairaland . . . this news report is that reason. Cus most muslims are muslims cus they were born into islam, grew up in islam and are either too self-indulgent or selfish (cus of sexual pleasures in islam) or just simply too scared of being killed as apostates if they decide to leave islam.

- The quran defies and contradicts logic and science . . . hence why an average muslim does not think and reason cus if they reason they end up having cognitive dissonance due to the fact that it becomes clear to them that Mohammed is a liar and fraud and Allah was a moon god worshipped by Arabs even before Mohammed and still worshipped as such till today. . . (hence the Kabba/Black Stone etc).


- The sad thing is that: past reports have already claimed that the US is saying terrorists are infiltrating Nigeria, hence we would never know if this is truely a Nigerian trying to be a terrorist or if this is a false flag operation by the US or whether this is merely a muslim from another country who is trying to claim to be a Nigerian.

- I would appreciate if someone can please confirm whether the person is really a Nigerian or not . . . cus my own instinct tells me that its possible for some people to claim to be Nigerians when they are not. . .

- Nigerian borders are porous hence anyone can come into Nigeria and claim to be a Nigerian . . .for example there are a number of Togolese and Beninoise people in the South West who are claiming to be Nigerians.

- One thing is for sure . . . Nigerians are going to suffer a lot for this . . . in terms of travelling and emigrating to foreign countries.

- This brainwashed islamic mentality is the more reason why I want Nigeria to break-up . . . cus it seems the Northerners are hopeless when it comes to doing idiotic things in the name of islam . . . my worry is that they are starting to infect and infiltrate some South Westerners with the same behave (you needed to come to OAU Ile-Ife) to see how this idiotic and dangerous mindset is gradually affecting and being exhibited by hitherto educated yorubas claiming to be muslims . . .

JeSoul:
To all the regular posters on this thread, a little poetic diversion:


Tenseltown in all its glory
overflowing
with acts and scripts
I would bet my wit
has no thief of hearts
greater and swifter
than the wit of Karma
I dare all to try

and try as they may
spin the wheels of drama
and dare to ripple Stillwater
it would amount to nada

it would be wiser
by far and far
to accept defeat and surrender
under the tutelage of a certain wizard
deftly
definitely
follow the yellow brick road and ask for Vescucci

and assuming you had a silver screen query
he could not do it sufficient justice
as if that were even possible
I know a queen
in her possesion is knowledge of the impossible
she overthrows kings, just for the heck of it
rumor has it
Wall.E breaks her heart and builds it back
She is the Max - in the very literal sense of the word

and in the very terse of words
quick and powerful
spins a wheel
without which all might just grind to a stand still
and unite in unmistakable chorus
a serenade to woo her back
a Spikedcylinder
in a world of flat-eyed cogs, she reings supreme

and then the game-change
the x-factor just walked in
Gamine
gaming
playing all the cards just right
until all are enslaved just right
suddenly friends are foe
who can win this soul of gold

and in the midst of the story
one stands unique
He says No-2 all things
that be divorced from deep reason
wisdom, he knows something about that
and what was hidden
he has sworn to make bare
and manages to do so with delightful cheer

ah yes!
fresh is in the air
cold as iice
bold as nice
the temperature cannot decide
and so it yields
blissfully
hoping it is never rescued from this predicament

consider this
all ye of little faith
all ye of wack scripts
send a delegation baring gifts
and woo the excellence of sisikill
see floor?
sit.
cross feet.
and hope to absorb the radiation she emits
and hope that you can handle it

if not
take two and call me in the morning
if you're in need of prescription strength medication
patient, he will be your doctor
licensed to deal in whatever ails you
legally
Justkunmi
just add nothing
and ye shall be healed completely


So went the tale of the town envied by Tinseltown
about a knight
about a day
about damsels who never need rescuing
and one thing is inevitable
just one
you will not leave the same way you came in.

---

^that is just my lil way of saying merry christmas and a very happy new year to you all and saying you all make my cyber time extra delightful and enlightening and I'm blessed to hang out with you all be it ever so briefly mostly. You all rock! 

now i know where the rap lyrics come from and why they flow so easily . . .

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=371215.msg5183948#msg5183948 date=1261757273]Is it unbiblical to celebrate christmas on the 25th or unbiblical to commemorate the birth of Jesus or both?[/quote]- Both . . .

- Even though it looks and sounds harmless that one should commemorate the birth of The Messiah. . .the bottome line still remains that: I do not know of a place in the bible that says the Church should celebrate His Birth.

- His birth was already celebrated when it occured . . .

- Heresy usually creeps into the Church through seemingly good and harmless things which are not biblical nonetheless. . .

- The Apostles did not celebrate His birth hence what excuse do we (those that are born after them) have for doing otherwise . . .

- The proclamation of the good news inherently celebrates the Messiah cus it shows we acknowledge that He was born, that He died for our iniquities and that He rose again on the third day . . .hence setting apart a particular day for the so called commemoration is simply unbiblical. . . no matter how sweet it sounds.

aksat:
There is a saying that   '' If there is no truth, then there is no lie ''  that is; if the truth is not known, then a lie will continue to be the truth. Any of you who do not believe that Jesus was born on Dec 25 should provide a date that He was born with an evidence to prove it.

- The date when he was born is irrelevant simply because you are assuming that it is relevant. . .

- The bible did not tell us the date when He was born. . .

- We know from Historical records that 25th December is a pagan day and that it has nothing to do with the Bible. . .

- The bottomline still remains that it is unbiblical to celebrate Christmas. . .

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=371510.msg5183528#msg5183528 date=1261750593]Dude, aren't you the one that points and clicks [/quote]- Yes . . .

- Is the request possible . . .

macIB:
Mr No2Atheism,

for your information, i give no freaking care about celebrating any birthday for Jesus or any god of any religion.

By commemorating, i mean I will go round to my friends who want to waste money unnecessarily and help them do it.

Digging deep, you will most likely throw away your so called bible sef, becos its history is flawed too. Just a compilation of some Jewish books by some Roman aristocrats, in the process destroying other books. Mind you I would have done a beta job!

What exactly do you believe . . .

So my friend forget this issue of "bible believing, scripture base stuff", it holds no water!

- So if the bible is not your basis of knowing between right and wrong . . . what then is your basis when you choose to forget the bible believing scripture based stuff.

Beta go enjoy some turkey and nice food instead of ruminating over a flawed date calling it heretical, !

Sorry that does not apply to me cus its just like any other day as far as I am concerned hence i could careless. . .

macIB:
But like others said, let us just commemorate the date and move on.

Shall we continue to live in sin because we say salvation is by Grace. . .nope. . . hence it is wrong for you to claim that lets just continue to do something desite that:

- The Messiah was not born on 25th December

- no where in the bible were bible believers told to commemorate the birth of the Messiah.

- It is a sin when someone knows how to do good and yet does not do it.

- It is good to speak the truth about the lie of christmas when you know the truth . . . those who do not know the truth have the advantage of not knowing "good" hence they are not guilty of not doing what they do not know.

- It is heretic when someone does something contrary to what the bible tells us to do.

- It is one thing to be ignorant of christmas itself and hence claim ignorance of unknowing marking an unbiblical day, however it becomes another thing when we know we are not supposed to mark it and yet we go ahead to mark it all in the name of commemoration.

- It is not good when we choose to do what heretics are doing.

Digging deep will just open somethings you might not like about the day sef!

- That is exactly what a bible believer is supposed to do . . .

- A bible believer is supposed search the scriptures and learn the truth about why they are doing anything in order to make sure he or she is not being heretical.

- It is not comfortable trying not to comform, yet the bottom line is that if something truth has to be done, there is no two ways wrong it either you stand for the truth or you conform to the world.

Question: Is it possible to permanently block a user's ip address and mac address from being able to get access to the specific sections of nairaland, while still maintaining access to other sections of nairaland.

If this is possible, then please note that you are hereby giving the authorisation to block both the ip address and mac address of the following user from the following sections:

User:       No2Atheism

Sections:          - Fashion

                       - Romance

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Let me know when this has been done . . .

vescucci:
Lol, No2Atheism. Dude, I'm finding it difficult to give you a pet name o! What will you be called?

- That is so gay . . . . . hence thanks but no thanks. . . . I will pass.

- A man giving another man a pet name is so gay . . .

- I don't want to be associated with anything that has even the slightest hint of gayness or homosexualism . . .

- Therefore, "I would pass" as far as this pet name thingy is concerned.

“You know we are a sovereign country; we make our laws for ourselves and for those foreigners, who wish to do business with us. We will take account of international norms and practices to ensure that our laws are favourable for investment. It is in our own interest to have laws that attract investment. So, we will do everything we can to make sure that the PIB, when it is passed into law, is a law that makes Nigeria destination for foreign investment. Now, if there is any group of investors, who feel that the laws we make do not serve their interests – the world is a very big place and as one goes, another comes. So, I am not really concerned about that,” he said. Ajumogobia also told Reuters yesterday that Shell, Europe’s largest oil company, had not informed the government of any such plans.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=162556

This is one of the few very sensible responses that I have seen from a government official in relation to these foreign operators who seem to think too highly of themselves.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5179761#msg5179761 date=1261669669]Stop ranting like a nanny-goat on heat. . . .
I asked you a question. . . . .U claim [i]s[/i]hit players can look excellent on youtube videos and i was quick to expose your crap logic that Fergie did not sign this player based on Youtube videos. Fergie has been watching him for the past 2 years.

I posted a video of MBD because he has just copped his work permit.
U saw it and all you could do was prophesy he won't make it in the EPL because of course, you are a fortune teller.
A useless fortune teller who cannot change the destiny of Arsene. A manager whose failure continues to break Guinness world record.

That's the opinion of a biased, priggish, pest-natured GAYnner.[/quote]So sayest you . . . but be-est it not . . .

ruhu:
Realtol,God wants our forgiveness rather than punishing us as well as d issue of stoning to death of Adulterers.Adulterers are stoned to death for many reasons, one of them is to serve as lesson to others and also to hinder the spread of Sexually Transmitted Disease.Jesus never cancelled any law including d law on adulterers,u may claim he didn't allow them to stone a woman adulteress in his time but did he said "never u stone adulterers"?[b]instead he didn't allow them to stone d woman on a condition which is you don't have to stone an adulterer if u too are an adulterer which he termed hypocrisy.[/b]Another reason why adulterers are stoned to death is to guide our dignity of human nature i.e we are not animals that have sex anyhow.
However,if an adulterer asks 4 forgiveness of God then the punishment of the hereafter 4 adulterers is erased on that adulterer because the sin of adultery is a major sin which attracts punishment in this world and the hereafter.Now let me use dis opportunity 2 warn u Realtol and the rest of u who just say what they like about Allah.Look if you want to meet Allah(God)in a pleasing way on d day of judgement, it is better 4 u 2 go and repent and ask 4 d forgiveness of God for your bad utterances against him.Allah is an arabic name 4 God and also his name which is unique of all the names being attributed to him.Prior to islam,the arabs always refer only to God as "Allah" and their idols were called different names,also none of them had their children named Allah,also the most confirming proof of the name "Allah" is:of all the names being attributed to him the word "Allah" is the only one which doesn't have plural form.Others like "God" have "gods" ,and d likes, and they are also attributed to idols only "Allah" stand out.And have u pple heard of the uncountable inscriptions of Allah on many things and also humans,babies born with the name Allah written on a part of his/her body,the fishes,Allah's name on the moon,trees and leaves forming the name "Allah" in arabic form and the likes that are uncountable,why not the word "God" or "Jehovah" or the likes?.

- The Messiah said he who is without sin should cast the first stone . . . he did not say he who is not an adulterer should cast the first stone . . .STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF THE BIBLE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT FIT THE BARBARIC QURAN.

- Adultery is just one of many sins . . . The Messiah did not mention adultery in particular so please stop trying to twist the words of the Bible.

- The bottom line of what The Messiah was saying was that: since no one cannot claim not to have sinned, then no one has the authority to stone the adulterer.


- Allah is the moon god.

- Marrying more than one woman is adultery.

- Temporary marriage is adultery.

- Thighing is adultery/peadophilia.

- Mohammed was committing adultery anyhow . . . sef

nateevs:
Yeah right!
An opportunity for Arsenal. .


Arsenal v Aston Villa, 13:30

Portsmouth v Arsenal, 19:45

Arsenal v Bolton, 19:45

Arsenal v Everton, 15:00

Bolton v Arsenal, 16:00

Aston Villa v Arsenal, 19:45

Arsenal v Man Utd, 16:00

Chelsea v Arsenal, 16:00

Arsenal v Liverpool, 19:45


Your next round of matches. . . With the draw against Burnley in mind, no sane one could really think there's an opportunity.

Ooops did not see that nevertheless it does not matter we would still endeavour to do our best . . .

excavations . . . am not following and it is not computing.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5179460#msg5179460 date=1261665901]Haha. . . . .So you are suggesting Fergie signed this player based on his Youtube videos?
Tsk Tsk!!!!
The nous of a GAYnner.[/quote] . . . see me see blessing. wat is Sauron even talking about . . .Sauron stop this Straw man argument of implying that I said something about why Fergie signed him. . . (I did not and do not really care about Fergie's reason for signing him) so where exactly did you see me make a statement about why Fergie signed the player . . . Sauron stop deceiving yourself . . . you are the one who posted the video . . . i do not know why Fergie signed him and i do not care.

The bottomline of what I am said and I am still saying is that: He DOES NOT look anything spectacular. . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5179401#msg5179401 date=1261664937]If this is so. . . . .no EPL manager will be buying players in Europe since EPL is considered the best in Europe.
I can name gazillion players who came from rubbish leagues and became stars in the EPL.
Solskjaer came from Norway. . . . .Vidic came from Russia. . . .Arshavin is also from Russia and so on and forth.

So what makes you think Diouf won't be an exceptional player like Vidic and Anelka?[/quote]Cus even shit playes look good in Youtube video, yet your so called special player looks very normal . . . i.e. nothing spectacular.

FALSE!!!!!

Show how it is false . . . by the way look at the phrase "more chance"

Keep em safely in your vaults.

Will certainly do . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5179257#msg5179257 date=1261663195]Face ma own team? Practice what you preach, amigo.
I am on the United thread discussing a United player? So who should face his OWN team?


. . . . . . .And reh reh reh!

So Premier League clubs should stop buying players from lesser leagues because players look better in lesser leagues than the EPL?
Where is your God-given nous FFS? If i may. . . . .where did United nick Ronaldo from? Heaven's league?
Drogba? Anelka? Vermaelen? Vidic? Evra? Where were they nicked from?
Like an Atheist, you have got no prayer.

Tape it shut and stop blaspheming.
You saw Obertan AFTER he joined Man Utd not before so what is your point?
MBD is yet to kick a ball for United and you have already concluded he is not special.
If you know better than Solskjaer and Sir Alex, why ain't you managing a football team instead of spewing applesauce on Christmas Eve?

Your footie knowledge became questionable when you said Kevin Phillips woulda been a star. . . . Was he not a star once in the EPL?
Did he not score 30 league goals for Sunderland to win the EPL's golden boot in 99/2000 season?
How many strikers in Arsenal's history have scored more than 30 league goals in a single season?
U need to go and lie down.

Arsenal rated Ronaldo? Why didn't Wenger buy him when he had the chance?
Your manager is a slowpoke. He told the media Ronaldo was too expensive for £12 million in July 2003 but paid £17 million for Reyes in Dec. 2003.
Seriously, one has to question Wenger's managerial nous. What does Reyes do these days? indecency?

If you cannot see Mame Diouf brings something different in the attack department then you should stop talking and pay attention.
Diouf is a true centre-forward. Not a false 9 like Rooney and Berbatov.
The Senegalese is in the mould of Louis Saha and Samuel Eto'o. . . . . .He can lead the line effectively and he stays in the box.[/quote]Lets wait and see . . . then

Your footie knowledge became questionable when you said Kevin Phillips woulda been a star. . . . Was he not a star once in the EPL?
Did he not score 30 league goals for Sunderland to win the EPL's golden boot in 99/2000 season?
How many strikers in Arsenal's history have scored more than 30 league goals in a single season?
U need to go and lie down.

- you are correct about Kevin Phillips scoring 30 goals, hence he is obviously a bad example to use as a flop.
- I ought to have used another example of a player that comes into the premiership and then flops. . . .
- Nevertheless the main point I am trying to pass across is that cus a player is spectacular at a lower league does not mean . . . i repeat . . . does not mean such a player would not be a flop at the EPL. . . most especially if such a player decides to go to a top team in the EPL.
- Hence cus the Senegalese guy was top scorer in the Norwegian league does not mean he is going to make head way . . . in the EPL.
- French League is not really considered lower league per say . . . Drogba, Vidic, Evra, Anelka are exceptions . . . just as Ronaldo was an exceptional player.
- The bottomline still remains that a player coming from a lower league to the EPL has more chance of being a flop than a player going the other way. . . simply because of gap in player quality.


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Below are snapshots of your postings for future references . . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5179116#msg5179116 date=1261661231]Are you a man of your words?
The problem with Jews like you is your near-sighted way of viewing things.
Obviously, the talent is there and it is up to him to utilise what he has got. . . . . . .He has shown he can use both feet effectively and can head the ball very well. Something no Arsenal striker has got in his ammo.[/quote]- Don't worry about Arsenal. . . face your own team and defend the player you posted and do not try to change the topic.

- I always do my best to be a man of my words hence why I do my best to listen, learn and then speak. That is why I am not too proud to apologise and stand to be corrected about issues, when contrary valid evidences are provided.

- I apologise if you consider that my implying you are not a man of your words is an insult. . . I am a blunt person and I sincerely spoke what I have observed of you on nairaland. Although in fairness to you, you have not really said anything to me to warrant such a statement from me towards you. Cus in reality my statement of you not being a man of your words is based on "reports" on nairaland and not on what I actually saw with my own eyes. Hence i would correct my post accordingly.

Obertan looks better than a striker that was his club's highest goal scorer?
He scores a goal every other game and you are here spitting hokum like you have ever seen him play.
Why don't you just shut up and put your hands up you dunno what you talking about!!!

- In Norway . . . please . . . .
- So many players are like the best things since slice bread in lesser leagues . . .nevertheless precendents show that it does not mean they would transfer such into the premiere league.
- Obertan is one of the few young players that i actually respect within the ManUtd team cus I have seen him play. . . and my own football judgements are not based on just speed (otherwise I would have choosen Walcott), and not based on just goal history in lesser league (otherwise Kevin Philips would have been an EPL star).
What matters is the complete football sense and combination of all the points . . .

- By the way, Ronaldo was almost bought by Arsenal (but scuppered due to the price tag and the connection of ManUtd to his former team), Arsenal rated Ronaldo hence don't even start to compare the two. . . cus Ronaldo was more than special than this your buy even at a younger age.

- I am not talking about the price of the senegalese player i can careless, the point i am trying to make is that: compared to what you already have in ManUtd, I do not really see anything spectacular about him.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5179070#msg5179070 date=1261660717]Nobody saw anything spectacular about Ronaldo when he was bought. . . . .The media concluded he was just another show pony.
Arsene Wenger was over-critical of his signing. Wenger said Ronaldo was too expensive for £12 million as a teenager.
6 months later, Wenger himself bought Reyes(a teenager) for £17 million and we all knew where he ended up.

Mame Diouf is a special player. . . . . . .Scouted by Solskjaer himself and i have been watching him since July.[/quote]Although reports imply you might not always a man of your word (no offense  just being blunt) . . . nevertheless I would wait to see if your claim that he is a special player is true . . . or whether your definition of the word "special" is different.

As far as I am concerned, even Obertan looks a better player than he is, even if Obertan is not really a striker per say . . .

@Tudor

- Sorry to hear about the accident.

- Let's wait to see if you get anything from the insurance people cus in reality, its their nature (i.e insurers) to do everything possible to make sure that you do not get paid. . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5178955#msg5178955 date=1261659498]MAME BIRAM DIOUF GRANTED WORK PERMIT.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1gr6I5W1pM&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"[/flash][/quote]I don't see anything spectacular about him:

- Pace.
- Heading ability.
- Goal scoring ability.

There is nothing spectacular about cus all the points listed above is already available in the typical english player hence why would ManUtd be bothered about getting such a player. . . when they already have others like that in the league.

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Berbatove made a career mistake to go to United, cus the reality is that he is better of at Arsenal.

Personally, I think Abuzola is just misquided . . .hence his brain could not withstand the trauma of being exposed to the blunt truth. Hence in the post-traumatic reaction that he had, he mistook telling the truth for the act of repetition. He probably thought that repeatedly saying the same things over and over again or that by making many anti-bible posts, is going to help him overcome the truth.

It does not matter how long or how many times one decides to repeat a lie, the bottome line is that if something is wrong its wrong . . . and consequently the only other alternative to overcoming an opposing but truthful opinion is to go down the route of violence or jihad.

Personally, I think Abuzola needs someone to mentor him into knowing the truth . . .cus all his posts shows that he sounds like someone who has been taught something, who now realised that those things are not true as a result of coming to Nairaland and hence who's only reaction is to become a cyber-anatagonist.

Let's hope and pray that Abuzola is alright whereever he ends up being at.

RuuDie:
Even if it was possible. . . . I'd rather Ole Solksjaer or the Bourdeaux manager Laurent Blanc take over from Fergie.

Pep has a fantastic array of players that i fear what he'd manage if he had anything less!

Nice observation which i am even suprised that people have not really taken note of  . . .

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What is Pep's coaching credentials . . .

- Yes he won six competitions, but was that down to his Managerial skills or was that down to the fact that he had a very good team (the bulk of which were from the previous years of Rijkaard).

- If Pep's Gaurdiola is as good as people claim then how come Frank Rijkaard is not setting the world on fire with his Managerial skills minus . . .

- Personally, my opinion is that due to the Club structures of teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona, its really difficult to know if the Manager in question is good or bad. . . considering that those clubs tend to seem to buy players at will to plug the holes . . . hence its difficult to gauge if the Manager would be able to cut it when he does not have the same kind of players.