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debosky:
Thrown in the pit latrine - that's the only place deserving of such a watery stool theory like yours. Strikers are attackers. We can set up a simple poll to evaluate the opinions of nairaland sports aficionados.

Yes you are correct. . . . to a certain extent hence I would update my definition of terms . . .

Updated Definition of Terms:


- Playmaker is a subset of Attackers.
- Strikers is a subset of Attackers.
- Poacher is a subset of Strikers.
- Attacking Midfielders is a overlapping subset of Attackers and Midfielders.

Althought Berbatov is an attacker nevertheless he is not a striker. . .i.e. Berbatov is a member of the set of Attackers but not a member of the subset Strikers.


take it or throw it in the Water Closet.

Ibime:
I dont need to check. . . my query wasnt statistical. . . it was a query as to the structure of his language.

Legally correct response . . .

debosky:
Dude you're talking nonsense.

Lampard doesn't roam - if you put his scoring positions on a map, they’ll mostly appear just outside the box or a bit inside. That is not the effect of roaming, but of consistent, focused tactical play and effort.

Saying Inzaghi and RVP doesn’t roam is a moot point – Inzaghi and RVN are poachers, which is a subset of strikers.

Berbatov IS a striker but is NOT a poacher – that is the distinction. The distinction you have made is flawed.

There are attacking players, and these can play in any area of the pitch and are determined as such by their overarching tendencies – Cashley is an attacking player but is a LB, Cesc is an attacking player but is a CM, Inzaghi is an attacking player but he is a striker.

Zizou is an attacking player who happens to play in midfield, but even he cannot claim to score goals like Ronaldo did. . . simply because there are exceptions to the rule. Furthermore, Ronaldo was played as a striker in many games for Utd as well.

Definition of Terms:

- Playmaker is a subset of Attackers.
- Strikers is another set on its own.
- Poacher is a subset of Strikers.

Berbatov is not a striker.
Berbatov is an attacker.

take it or throw it in the lagoon.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=319383.msg5116528#msg5116528 date=1260877009]@No2Atheism
Zidane is a playmaker! A 10! He can be laissez-faire if he wants to but even at that he is not as languid as Berbatov. . There where games Zidane took by the scruff the neck with his vision or his ability to deliver from set-pieces. The difference between Zizou and Berba is that Zizou always knew when to up the ante so there was method to Zidane's style

He simply is not worth that much so the transfer looked like a stillborn from the onset and if we compare him to his contemporaries at the moment he's been massively disappointing. When the game is on the line you want your 30milla striker to show his worth e.g he is yet to score against any member of the big 4 since joining Utd. He is a good player but very over-rated and may not be the man for the job at Utd. His intl record would not be so good if Bulgaria where not such a shitty team[/quote]Yes I agree and I still maintain that Berbatov is an attacker not a striker (his playing style shows that). If you compare Berbatov and Zizzou you would notice that there playing style is similar except that Zizzou is far more talented and skillful than Berbatov.

Definition of Terms:

- Playmaker is a subset of Attacker.
- Striker is another set on its own.

debosky:
na wa o - so No2A is now redefining what a striker is and what an attacker is? 

I don't agree with your analysis - if you 'roam' all over the place you don't score 23 goals.

You cannot consistently score 20+ goals if you are all over the place - goals are scored mostly in the box and people who end up in the box are most often strikers. A few exceptions exist of course, like Lampard, but even he didn't roam all over the place and had such a high goal rate because of his consistent late arrival in the box [/b]and having a fantastic shot - a focused player not someone roaming and having 'freedom'. Very rarely you have exceptions like CR who can do everything and thus score goals from anywhere.

You can't score 23 goals in 2 consecutive seasons in the EPL playing as a STRIKER and not be a striker. This 'natural mindset' thing is overstated here.

[b]Even Rooney that you claim is 'roaming' is scoring more goals this season because he has been allowed to play as a striker.

You have answered yourself . . . Roaming + Arriving in the box to score = Attacker.

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The Rooney issue is simple . . .Rooney is better than Berbatov . . . hence he is more able to adapt, yet you can still see that Rooney still roams (cus Roaming is also natural to Rooney).

You hardly see Van Nistelroy roaming . . .

tkb417:
im confused
striker vs attacker
whts the difference?

pointman and support striker will appeal to ma understanding more than this striker and attacker thing

No2A is coining his own vocabs  

Zizzou is different from Inzaghi . . . that is the difference for you.

Zizzou is an attacker.
Inzaghi is a striker.



Do you now get the difference

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Yes I created the alphabets and vocabs that are used in inventing grammar . . . all others pretenders to inventing grammar . . . are just pretenders

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=365778.msg5116366#msg5116366 date=1260875830]How many racist, anti-semitic idio.tic mo.rons have you recruited in your "Economic Alliance"?

Economic alliance my arse . . .what a dolt[/quote]Which kind of attention seeking human being is this sef . . . . . . . . Moderators abeg ban me so that this Decepticon Tudor would stop following me around nairaland . . . 

The guy just dey look for my trouble up and down . . . .

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=363266.msg5116327#msg5116327 date=1260875560]And the cowardly whining continues. . . .

What are you doing about it? Is it just to sit behind a screen and cry about Europeans and Aliens wanting to take over the world while at the same time paying taxes to them? [/quote][quote author=Tudór link=topic=363266.msg5116324#msg5116324 date=1260875527]And the cowardly whining continues. . . .

What are you doing about it? Is it just to sit behind a screen and cry about Europeans and Aliens wanting to take over the world while at the same time paying taxes to them? [/quote] . . . [size=28pt]GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM [/size]. . . 

v3:
Spot the difference: Mikel Obi £20m Blood of God
                               Hargreaves £18m Wiv injury probz. . .NOT A CHANCE!
                               Mascherano £17m Lawd have mercy!
                               Song £2m.  

This is an embarrasment to Chelski, ManUSA, Spuds and Liverpool that seem to be spending the whole bailout TARP money . . .just to create a team

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=365778.msg5116259#msg5116259 date=1260874949]How swell, this is coming from a slowpoke who hates americans, europeans and jews yet lives in the UK.Yes indeed, economic warfare that caters for and saves YOUR OWN black behind ONLY.

So lets see, according to your daft "warfare", you work in the UK, send some money home to improve your homeland while forming an economic alliance with fellow europe haters to internally sabotage/take over the european economy (what a moro.n) AT THE SAME TIME, paying thousands and millions of pounds to the government in taxes which is then used to wage wars, overthrow and install puppet regimes, taking control of african economies and minerals then loaning your tax pounds to african economies in ALL these endeavors MAKING BILLIONS MORE MONEY using your tax. . . .tell me, whos deceiving who? Keep dreaming about forming alliances with fellow idio.ts.

You're only there to cater for yourselfall the while cowardly ranting about how the europeans and americans are despoiling the african continent using your taxes. Ofcourse you conspiracy theorists and racist have no problems with that as long as your behind is in the UK being well catered for and enjoying the benefits of NHS. . . .what a fool[/quote]- Something is eating Tudor . . . 

- It seems you love attention . . . na wa o . . . . . .and probably willing to say anything to get that attention.

- Sorry but I don't have your time today . . . . . . so pass along

more Global Warming Scam to give you more to talk about . . .

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=363266.msg5116141#msg5116141 date=1260873851]Who was making an argument? It shows you've got no understanding of the meaning of that concept.

You learn a new word on NL and think you can use it just anyhow without brains. . . .how typical.Why are you funding the european vampires you racist pric.k?

We are tired of hearing you whine EVERY single day about how evil the white man is, question; What are you doing about it?
Why do you keep funding and replenishing the stores of the demonic jews/europeans at the detriment of your african brothers?[/quote][quote author=Tudór link=topic=363266.msg5116072#msg5116072 date=1260873267]@Topic

I hope legally binding deals on emission cut targets are reached at this summit but thats just wishful thinking.

The developed countries should lead the way because they contributed most to the present situation.

Under no circumstance should development of africa and other developing economies be compromised though.

To individuals out there, do your bit, get energy saving lightbulbs, unplug your chargers when not in use, avoid leaving your TV's, computers and other appliances on standby, plant a tree wherever possible, use high pressure showers, place a ball in your cistern of your toilet it helps reduce the water needed for a flush,, if you can afford it get solar panels. . . . . If everyone can do little things as this, it'll go a long way in saving the planet.[/quote]And the song continues . . .

tkb417:
hasty conclusion

u dont know what ure saying. hes getting better @ UTD

- Yes I agree he is getting better . . .however he is not necessarily getting better for his primary position for which he was bought i.e. striker, instead he is getting better as an "attacker" but not really as a "striker".

- That is why context of the player's natural position and mindset is important.

- Berbatov's inadequacy as a top striker was covered up by the presence of Ronaldo in the team last season. . . however this season this has become exposed. It does not necessarily mean that Berbatov is getting worse, on the contrary it only means that he is not suitable fo the position which ManUtd intend to use him for.

Rooney and Giggs are already filling the roaming attacking midfielder role, hence making life more difficult for Berbatov cus that means he simply has to deliver as a Striker . . . which he is naturally not.

tkb417:
he scored goals as a top man for Leverkusen and did well in his partnership with Robbie

hes the highest goal scorer of all times for Bulgaria at age 27!! meaning he can score

but why is he not scoring for UTD?
his misses are unforgivable and his goals atimes are classics!!
berba is good but he has issues i swear

You are still not getting my point . . .

- Yes he scores goals
- Yes he can score goals
- Nevertheless that is not his natural mindset. . . you can know the natural mindset of a player by studying the player's game.
- The Natural mindset of Berbatov is an "attacker" and not a "striker".

For example: Ikechukuwu Uche is an attacker not a striker. Obafemi Martins is a striker not an attacker.

Because a player scores shed loads of goals still does not change his style of play and natural mindset. . . precedents show that a player might get away with playing in the wrong position if such a player is playing in a substandard league. Hence a Mikel Obi might get away with being played as an attacking midfielder withing Nigeria but at the world stage, the player's natural "safe mode" instinct kicks in.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=319383.msg5115977#msg5115977 date=1260872220]His tepid and laissez-faire approach would not get him far at Utd[/quote]Zizzou also has the same tepid and laissez-faire appraoch to his game . . .the problem is that Berbatov is playing the wrong position . . .

Berbatov is a roaming attacker who is capable of scoring goals . . .however he's natural instinct is not score first ask questions later. . . he's natural instinct is to play good football and create chances while attacking.

The unfortunate thing for Alex Ferguson is that he wasted the money on him . . . cus the reality is that Tevez was better suited to ManUTd's game than Berbatov . . . Arsenal is more suited to Berbatov's game . . .

Going to ManUtd was a big mistake for Berbatov . . .

debosky:
You don't know what you're talking about dude - before coming to Utd the dudescored 23 goals in back to back seasons for Spurs - how can that NOT be prolific?  In his two previous seasons with Leverkusen he scored 20+ goals as well so unless prolific is being redefined here, you're way off the mark.

Partnering Robbie Keane at Spurs he scored goals for fun so obviously he is having trouble adapting to Utd's way of playing, OR he's been instructed to do something different.

Debosky stop this wrong association . . .by your logic, it means you are saying that Berbatov is like Owee and Nistelroy and Original Ronaldo. . . . nope they are different in terms of positional play.

Berbatov is not a striker [/b]pure and simple . . .Berbatov is an [b]attacker (more specifically he is an attacking midfielder) . . please note the difference . . .

- Its easy to shine in a small club in a wrong position and get found out in large club at the same position. . . hence its not a big deal that he was able to score shed loads at Spurs . . .without being too criticised when he goes on a barren run. Also note that he does not have the luxury of much playing time hence he does not have the luxury of making up for the goals later on in the season. He can easily get away with barren runs in Spurs cus the weight of expectation is not as much as that of ManUTd

- Number of goals scored by a player is not really indicative of his position. . . e.g. Ronaldo is not a striker but he scores shed loads of goals from his natural position on the wings.

- Likewise Berbatov from his game play and movement and intelligence is easily seen that he is an attacking midfielder.

- The issue is that at Spurs, he had the freedom to roam. . . without being burden with a restrictive position and duty. . . hence his natural tendency to drift around in attack was less of a problem. However cus Rooney already fills the role of the drifting player in ManUtd it becomes imperative for Berbatov to be restricted to pure a striker (something which he is not but which Owen is)

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=363266.msg5115972#msg5115972 date=1260872161]You are indeed very very very silly. Do you really read the crap you type before posting?

Going through all your posts its evident you're a paranoid, racist and anti-semitic fool just like every conspiracy theorist out there.

Do us all a favour, since you live in manchester why not strap on a bomb, take a hike to brussels then blow up the EU since they are evil.

Isn't it obvious nobody gives a crap about the nonsensical rubbish you copy and paste from conspiracy sites. . . .since you care so much, do us a favour and end it all. Moro.n

Anyone ever wonders why this hypocrite who hates europeans and jews so much lives in the UK and pays his tax to the british government which is then used to fund "new world order", "enslave africa" and bla bla

Its only to cowardly sit behind a computer and rant about europeans, americans and jews but when it comes to taking  the first practical step this fool prefers to save his black behind first. Hypocrite![/quote]Here we go with the straw-man arguments again . . ,

Tudor . . . my "White Tanned Jesus" loving friend you don pursue me reach this thread . . . . . . . yes you are welcomed  .

Do us all a favour, since you live in manchester why not strap on a bomb, take a hike to brussels then blow up the EU since they are evil.

Isn't it obvious nobody gives a crap about the nonsensical rubbish you copy and paste from conspiracy sites. . . .since you care so much, do us a favour and end it all. Moro.n

I think you meant that advise for your Muslim friends . . . . 

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Abeg Tudor stop trying to derail this thread or are you another Global Warming Scammer . . . 

Anabel:
home is always the best place to come after being dumped by the people you dumped your home for, God knows I hate BRITAIN, wonder what my fellow Nigerians are gaining there that can not be gained at home with prayer and seriousness

- Its a dangerous thing to hate people . . . (so please clarify your statement)

- Personally I do not trust White people (however my conscience does not really allow me to hate anyone) . . . cus of the historical precedents of what they did, what they are doing and what they plan to do to non-white individuals.

- Personally I would prefer if Africans start seeing their sojourns in European dominated land as a form of Economic Warfare . . . in that they make money and use the money to improve themselves and their home country and if possible use part of the money to start creating an independent economic alliance with their other black brethren in the same foreign country . . .

bawomolo:
did the women have to wear every color found in the rainbow?

. . . you are not serious . . . .

Abeg leave my black brethren alone . . . you too go and look for your own "Rainbow Wife" 

African leaders no get shame especially the sub-saharran ones. edoyad is right though - these idiots actually voted for a man that thinks a shower can cure aids.

The Aids shower cure angle of the whole thing is what i find to be really weird.

biina:
that is debatable. There are different levels of management, and different levels of abstraction are affordable. An operations level manager needs a considerable level of hands on knowledge, while an executive could do with little to none.
Effective IT management often requires that the manager be knowledgeable in IT, else you could end up employing someone who could do the manager's job as his subordinate (which is a quite inefficient arrangement).

Okay

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=363977.msg5115747#msg5115747 date=1260869680]The next time i hear you talk about Oyakhilome, Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi and the jets and jeeps they drive in ,believe me i will rip off your phalanges. cowards are never far fetched from the vineyard of despression![/quote]Are you accussing Tudor of double standards or what . . .how dare you accuse the powerful "White Jesus loving" Tudor of having double standards.

Pro Anti:
The e-revolution can only get to Nigerians when they see superior and more secure e-services. You dont force people to use a system you are testing; you only encourage them.

If the NEFT transfer system is more secure, no sane Nigerian businessman would want to issue a cheque. As it is, the widely known ATM fraud discourages people from getting involved with any electronic system. The CBN should first address banking security before coming up with the NEFT policy.

By the way, I did a NEFT transfer to a business associate last month and he said he hasnt seen the money. I've been chasing this for some time now with no success. Dont expect me to try it again unless the system improves.

Very true . . .cus despite my IT savvyness  (yes i invented another word so sue me) I am still wary of any electronic transactions within Nigeria simply because I know (via first hand experience) that IT infrastructure within Nigeria is not yet robust enough to tackle fraud. Also Nigerians are still too wayo minded . . . sef.

Afam:
Guarantee? They cannot because many of them lack the relevant knowledge. You would be surprised to realize that some IT managers of some of these banks know very little about IT and I am not exaggerating, it is that bad.

Very possible. . . and not really catastrophic cus the main job of the manager is to "manage" those that actually do the IT job, hence its not really a catastrophic situation if the IT manager does not really know much about IT.

All that matters is that he or she is IT oriented enough to make the IT geeks to innovate.

there is still more . . . . 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens--Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html

more details of the scandal . .  . from the russian end . . .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens--Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html

more evidence . . .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens--Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html

Berbatov is a very good player playing in the wrong position . . .

Berbatov is more of an attacking midfielder . . .he has the skills and the football brains to play the attacking midfield position.

However the truth is that he is not prolific . . .hence he probably made the mistake of going to ManUtd as a striker.

FBS:
Thanks man. I was going to ask the same thing.
Morever, he's got a family (a wife and an 11 yr old daughter)
Was it not in this same UK that a man won the right to stay because he shared a CAT with his girlfriend for some years? 
The man needs some damn good lawyers damn it.

- May I ask the race of the man that won the right to stay, I am curious about that particular case.

@topic

- I do not condone the issue of illegal actions . . . however I find it weird that someone who has represented Britain, who is disabled and who is also married to a Briton is now being deported based on traffic offenses.

- I hope this is a lesson to "Black people with an Eurocentric mindset"  that usually make the mistake of thinking that the "Smiling White man/woman" is to be trusted.


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For example, see Tiger Woods (who obviously does not consider himself black) is now being hypocritically treated like a leper in the news media, yes Tiger Woods was wrong to cheat on his wife and endanger her to sexually transmitted diseases. However I find it weird that so many people are being hypocritical about it and making it look like he killed someone.

In regards to Tiger Woods, the lesson is that: alienate your own black people at your own risk.

it gets worse for Global Warming . . .

Even scientists have come out to speak out against the whole Global Warming Scam . . .

http://www.petitionproject.org/

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