₦airaland Forum

@topic

Maybe you are meeting the wrong african men.

- i for one am proud to be african and i don't joke around with it. Infact i make it a point of pride to wear as much african clothes in a this cold western weather as much as it is practically possible.

- And i look good in them so much so that

oyb:
i wonder why its only vanguard that has been harping over the so called northernisation plot

- Good observation.
- Nevertheless we both know that a scandal does not always break as a national headline, in most cases it is usually an exclusive.
- What was reported by Vanguard is happening exactly the way it was reported.
- That is enough reason for it to be investigated and for Sanusi to be held accountable.
- Even if Vanguard is not saying the truth, the events from Sanusi and his utterances calls for suspicion. How come other banks are not yet exposed, what happened to Unity Bank.
- How come he is already willing to sell the banks (PLC companies  ) to foreign investors  wen nigerians are full capable of buying up shares in the same banks.
- Why does he need to sell private properties to other foriegn investors even though the aforementioned shareholders never gave him such an authority to do so on their behalf.
- Does it not sound like robbery, to nationalise something within a month and then seek to sell it off to other private hands  after pumping in 400billion naira of so called public money (jury is still out on where he got this 400billion naira from).
- What is the current ownership structure of the so called failed banks and what is going to be their ownership structure later on.
- What is the current geo-political spread of the ownership structure of the so called failed banks and what is going to be their ownership structure later on.
- Public parastals are part of the debtors of the so called banks, does it not make sense for those public parastals to pay their debts and thus ensure that those banks don't fail instead of pumping in additional public money.

@oyb

Yes we disagree seriously on issues  (infact i know u would want to slit my throat if u have the chance for yabbing allah and mohammed) nevertheless, even u would concur that something seriously fishy is going on as regards Sanusi's actions. Considering that his so called sanitization has been selectively focused on certain banks even though its common knowledge that other banks are worse e.g. Unity Bank, Savannah Bank, Societie General.

I was a supporter of Sanusi before, however the evidences shows that he is to be strongly suspected and stopped if possible so that he does not over step his bounds,

I personally have heard reports that Soludo was unfavourable to northerners because his policies were not favourable to Black Market currency operators (Guess what Sanusi changed the policy hence it now favours black marketers  ). So it does not take a rocket scientist to realise that something tribalistic and imperialistic is going on.

1. Is this so called foreign investors not stooges of Northerners that are trying to use foreigns as their proxies.

2. Where did the 400Billion naira used to bail out the banks come from.

3. Vanguard carried a news report in March that some people were trying to take over the banks by first devaluing them and then destroying them in the eyes of the public and then taking over them.

4. It is an open secret that a lot of northerners that embezzled nigerian money have a lot of that money outside of the country and that those monies run into billions of dollars. Hence it would not be a big deal for those northerns to use those money to try to buy into or get complete control of the above mentioned banks.

5. Unity Bank is worse than even the banks which Sanusi have sacked their CEOs yet we are yet to hear anything being done to Unity Bank.

6. I initially supported Sanuis, but the more i am seeing his past and present utterances and statements and considering that he is a so called "islamic scholar" (meaning he is completely capable of being totally irrational) the more i realise that Sanusi might be following a northern agenda after all.

7. He is reported to be an open and blunt Fulani nationalist, hence it does not take a rocket scientist to realise that[b] if it smells like a rat, sounds like a rat, looks like a rat, behaves like a rat, talks like a rat, eats like a rat , then it most probably is a rat.[/b]



Does this not all sound similar to what Sanusi has done and is also about to do


Those who are interested in the March report carried by Vanguard newspaper can check this link here:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/26/group-plots-takeover-of-five-top-banks/

[url]http://www.proshareng.com/admin/upload/reports/Vanguard%20March%2023,%202009%20-%20The%20Plan%20to%20take%20over%205%20banks.pdf[/url]

Does anyone know how to obtain the geographical spread of shareholders within the five banks (Union, Intecontinental, Afribank, Oceanic and FinBank).

This is so that after the dust has settled we can get a picture of what the ownership structure becomes like.

Because frankly, I sincerely think Sanusi is following a Fulani Northern agenda, considering his past utterances before he was the CBN Governor.

Does anyone know how to obtain the geographical spread of shareholders within the five banks (Union, Intecontinental, Afribank, Oceanic and FinBank).

This is so that after the dust has settled we can get a picture of what the ownership structure becomes like.

Because frankly, I sincerely think Sanusi is following a Fulani Northern agenda, considering his past utterances before he was the CBN Governor.

huxley:
I sense a huge contradiction here.  In the past many men of God have been leaders of their countries, from David, Ezekiel, Constantine, to many Christian Emperors of Europe and Asia.  These men of god have been guided and advised by god or prophets of god.   So why do you think such a model could not be achieved today?  Have you lost confidence in the power of god to get some order here on earth?

Could not god arrange for a christian or Pastor President to only arrive at "good" decisions?  If he cannot, why call him all powerful?

Nope there is no contradiction, YES I KNOW YOUR MOTIVATION is that you are actively trying to find fault where there is none to be found, so i would take my time to enlighten you since its obvious you are missing a very important detail and actively trying to find fault where there is none.:

- you said Men of God, notice you did not say pastor and you did not mention the new testament, most of your references were taking from the old testament, for which it was lawful to go to war (i.e. the spiritual principle of turning the other cheek had not come into effect). Those in the old testament were operating under an old covenant, nevertheless the Creator still maintained His own standards of them not being able to do certain spiritual things once they have done certain physical things.
- The people you mentioned were in the old testament.
- David was not permitted to do certain spiritual things (e.g. not allowed to build the temple) because he had blood on his hands (one way or another) such as being an active partaker in wars.
- Solomon was allowed to build the Temple because he did not have blood on his hands (one way or another) hence why the Creator made sure that there were no wars during his time as King.
- Being an active partaker in wars does not mean he is condemned before the Creator, it only means he is not qualified to do certain spiritual things.
- Pastors are expected and required to do most, if not all spiritual duties, hence as a result cannot be expected to partake of things like David had done.
- Hence why you do not see any Disciple being military in nature after the ascension of the Messiah.
- Hence why you see the Messiah actively prevented his disciples from taking physical actions even wen they wanted to, instead he admonished them to be spiritual, because their duties were no longer physical nor administrative but spiritual in nature.
- Hence why you see even the Messiah preventing any of his disciples from being violent or worldly, because their duties in the new testament has changed from being partly administrative to being completely spiritual.

- I repeat again that the position of a Pastor is a spiritual position and not an administrative one, hence he is not allowed to participate in administrative duties some of which might end up being like what David had to do.

- THAT MY FRIEND IS THE REASON WHY A TRUE PASTOR CANNOT BE PRESIDENT, THE DUTIES AND PURPOSES ARE DIFFERENT AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE TO HIS SPIRITUAL POSITION AS A PASTOR.

Could not god arrange for a christian or Pastor President to only arrive at "good" decisions? If he cannot, why call him all powerful?

Since you claim to be an atheist, then you need not bother yourself about what the Creator can or cannot do

No be scam na money laudeering

i would say it again, Barca saw the back of Eto and did not give him the respect he deserves simply because he is black, if Ibrahimovic was black, even Shooting Stars would not buy him.

soloqy:
I just feel like kicking Almunia's poker face in. He needs to step up to the plate or out with him.

He Even contributed to the Diaby Freak goal. Diaby didnt know what was behind him but Almunia had a clear view of the area and saw that there was no one neas Diaby. All he had to was shout was 'I got this, leave it for me' .

After challenging Rooney who had no chance of doing anything with that ball(even if he did, Gallas was right there).

Am so gutted right now cause we had that game rapped up.

Anyways, better now than later in the season and better against one of the top four than against Burnley.

Almunia is not stepping up to no plate. He is a reactionary goal keeper. He would be better in the next match as usual. But he is just not world class.

Wenger got wat he bought and deserves.

Almunia would always be mistake prone and uncommanding.

Diaby is shit but it was also alumunia's faulty cause he could have stayed on is line since he was not coming out or he could have shouted to diaby.

Trutth is the both Diaby and Almunia are good enough for teams like mancity but not for arsenal.

Wenger would not buy, i can guarantee you that, cause he never wants to look like he is wrong.

Arsenal would never win anything with Almunia.

People blame lehmann for champions league final, but i do not blame him instead i blame almunia for the two goals, lehman kept arsenal in the game.

Almunia killed the game against ManUTD wen he allowed Ronaldo's goal,

Almunia gave the game to Tottenham wen he allow Bentley's goal,

We can go on forever about his mistakes that tend to come up in important matches. It says a lot about Almunia if he is still not in the spanish team considering Spain does not really have superstar goal keepers apart from Casilas and the average Reina.

dayokanu:
I hate Man Utd!!!!!

Why did they stop the GAYYner cumfest? This might jolt ASSENE self-servicer to go out and BUY

I HATE MAN UTD. Bleep MAN UTD.

They have helped Arsenal . Gayyners might end up buying someone

Wenger is not buying anyone i can guarantee you that, the man is hopeless.

Arsenal is still where they were last season, i was suprised wen people were rejoicing for the early season considering that Tottenham are also having a wonderful season and man city also and chelsea also.


Almunia would always leak goals.
Diaby would always be shit.


Hence the only hope is to be able to score more than the opposition.

Officially arsenal is a shit team, how come arsenal is still unable to beat a shitty man utd team. Men na wa o , people should just forget about this season . We would be lucky to qualify for champions league at this rate.



- Almunia would always be a liability : WHY DID HE HAVE TO COME OUT FOR A BALL GOING AWAY FROM GOAL   .

- Abou Diaby is a midtable player at best   .

- Wenger is not going to buy any more players and Arsenal is bleeped to be frank   .

Now to wait from my yabbing from a man united fan.

whitelexi:
Ref is partial, period!

better still its a gangup against arsenal, ronaldo and rooney and gerrard should win gold medals for diving yet uefa bans eduardo.

Fletcher gets away for almost butchering arshavin,

as usual RVP gets booked for a similar kind of tackle but fletcher gets away with not being booked and not giving away a penalty, typical anti-arsenal brigade

[quote author=TOPE2000! link=topic=316226.msg4447047#msg4447047 date=1251561868]Gbam . . . thats the only solution but does changing it mean anything
For all we know, the dude might even be cheating changing his status dont mean shyte [/quote]Now go to ur room, stop using curse words,

1. Not part of their training.
2. Not part of their job description.
3. A good worldly leader sometimes needs to make decisions that are not spiritually correct e.g. going to war, signing off on the deaths of certain people, secret service issues and all.
4. Being a pastor is a spiritual matter not an administrative matter.

[quote author=TOPE2000! link=topic=316226.msg4447003#msg4447003 date=1251561389]Why do ppl take take this fb thingy serious [/quote]good question that needs a good answer.

@topic

No

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/29/cbn-to-sell-five-bailed-banks-100-to-foreign-investors/


BN Governor Sanusi Lamido Sanusi said in London yesterday that the apex bank was ready to sell Union Bank, Intercontinental, Oceanic, Afribank and FinBank, 100 per cent to foreign investors.  But one of the foreign investors who spoke to Vanguard at about 8 pm yesterday on phone from London said that a pre-selection of the foreign investors was done by the CBN in July even before the announcement of August 14.

He stated that at the time of speaking with the paper the CBN team was meeting with each of those pre selected foreign investor whom he described as representing the interest of some powerful political power brokers in the country.
Sanusi who was quoted by Reuters while speaking in London at the conference the CBN governor called to reassure counter-party banks and foreign investors about the bailout said that he would not “stand in the way of any foreign banks taking a 100 per cent stake in the five Nigerian institutions”. The CBN also said that the five banks will be run as going concerns until new investors can be found to recapitalise them.
According to Reuters ,, the CBN governor said that “The banking sector is key to Nigeria’s economic prospects and that the nation will see economic growth of five percent this year, rising to double-digit rates from 2010 as its banking sector strengthens again after a $2.6 billion bailout.

Addressing international banks, lenders and rating agencies in London, Sanusi said that Nigeria economy was likely to expand 5 per cent in the second half of 2009 after growing at a similar pace between January and June. “I have no doubts that by 2010-2011 we will be looking at double digit growth in Nigeria. We were growing at 6 per cent without electricity, without peace in the Niger Delta,” Sanusi said, referring to unrest in the country’s oil heartland. “We are a country of 150 million people, but with only 23 million bank accounts. So there is a lot of room for growth.”

The Central Bank two weeks ago injected N400 billion into five banks and sacked their senior management, saying lax governance had left them so weakly capitalised that they posed a systemic risk.

According to him private sector credit outstripped the entire spending of the country’s federal, state and local governments last year and this year banks are expected to provide much of the government’s estimated N1.6 trillion borrowing needs.

Sanusi’s bailout, just two months after he took office at the helm of the regulator, shocked corporate Nigeria and initially panicked financial markets, sending the naira currency lower and triggering a stock market sell-off.  S&P cut Nigeria’s speculative sovereign long-term foreign currency credit rating one notch to B-plus from BB-minus last week, citing the costly bank bailout and falling oil revenues.

“We have peace in the Niger Delta, inflation has been coming down. If the downgrade had come 3-4 months back it would have been more understandable,” he said.

Before the bank bailout he forecast that Nigeria’s economy would likely expand by 5 per cent this year, but analysts in a Reuters poll this week predicted a  3.6 percent growth. He told the London conference that non-oil GDP growth should be “robust” at above 6 percent this year, and projected an inflation rate of 9 percent at the end of the year.

Nigeria’s consumer inflation dipped to 11.1 percent year-on-year in July from 11.2 percent the previous month. Sanusi cut interest rates to 6 percent from 8 percent in July, following his first monetary policy meeting as governor. He also said Nigeria would get $2.8 billion in special drawing rights from the International Monetary Fund this year”.

It will be recalled that on March 23 this year Vanguard reported that Anti consolidation forces have regrouped with the hope of dissembling the banks and forcing a take over of the top five banks in the country. The grand plan by the group is to cause panic and uncertainty in the industry and make the target banks look unsafe for depositors.

Their aim, Vanguard gathered, is to cause loss of public confidence in the banking industry and compel the Federal Government to move in by injecting funds. Further, they ultimately plan to instigate government to take equity holdings in the targeted banks.

Vanguard investigations revealed that the group at work is made up of former bank owners who lost out during the consolidation exercise, a powerful clique in the present government, and some aggrieved persons in three of the six geopolitical zones in the country who felt left out in the consolidation exercise.

Presidency sources disclosed that those who felt left out in the consolidation exercise are grieved and are up in arms to recoup what they felt they lost during Obasanjo years.

Part of the plan hatched by the group is to ensure that incumbent Central Bank governor, Professor Charles Soludo does not get a second term. The plan is also to ensure that what ever gains that consolidation had is discredited. This it was learnt was meant to force the President to act quickly in matter  of   appointment of a successor to Soludo as they anticipate that the president’s slow move may scuttle their dreams and cause the renewal of Soludo appointment for a second term.

The group second game plan is to make Nigerian banks look un safe in the eye of the banking public. They have perfected their game by spreading rumour that some categories of banks are unsound and are on the verge of collapse.

The group is using this means to make depositors panic and undertake massive withdrawal of funds from the targeted banks in attempt to cause liquidity problem in the bank. In that state they hope to cause a take over by the government which may buy a stake in the bank and later sell to these privileged group who may be appointed in the interim into the board of these banks.





1. Is this so called foreign investors not stooges of Northerners that are trying to use foreigns as their proxies.

2. Where did the 400Billion naira used to bail out the banks come from.

3. Vanguard carried a news report in March that some people were trying to take over the banks by first devaluing them and then destroying them in the eyes of the public and then taking over them.

4. It is an open secret that a lot of northerners that embezzled nigerian money have  a lot of that money outside of the country and that those monies run into billions of dollars. Hence it would not be a big deal for those northerns to use those money to try to buy into or get complete control of the above mentioned banks.

5. Unity Bank is worse than even the banks which Sanusi have sacked their CEOs yet we are yet to hear anything being done to Unity Bank.

6. I initially supported Sanuis, but the more i am seeing his utterances and statements and considering that he is a so called "islamic scholar" (meaning he is completely capable of being totally irrational) the more i realise that Sanusi might be following a northern agenda after all.


Does this not all sound similar to what Sanusi has done and is also about to do


Those who are interested in the March report carried by Vanguard newspaper can check this link here:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/26/group-plots-takeover-of-five-top-banks/

[url]http://www.proshareng.com/admin/upload/reports/Vanguard%20March%2023,%202009%20-%20The%20Plan%20to%20take%20over%205%20banks.pdf[/url]

darkgoddes:
i wonder why some people are so crazy about facebook in the first place.

it is over rated joo

exactly

d geriatics won against burnley and they are popping drinks shior

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=310800.msg4446263#msg4446263 date=1251552469]Lol No2 why are your eyeballs bulging? He's telling the truth: Na una liberate South Africa? You sent troops there to bust Mandela outta jail? Nigerians died in all those decades of riots when black SAs fought 'the System' and invented the fist salute? They lifted a finger when the irreplaceable Steve Biko was murdered? I know a lof of Nigerian musicians sang Free Mandela on Nigerian TV: Na dat wan topple apartheid?
Still, a terrible country,SA. So full of hate.[/quote]

@olabowale

you are wrong

it is weird for an adult yoruba man to feed another adult yoruba man, it is not a show of affection stop twisting reality.

smokie:
@the_viper: Sorry for the experience you had to endure. Many South Africans have problems though with foreigners who don't contribute anything to the country, not saying all Nigerians do this but if you walk around Joburg's inner city you won't come back with a positive view of most foreigners in South Africa. If you can point me to South African men who go to Nigeria and overstay there visa's we can start chatting, right now its only one-way traffic, I can't go to Naija be a nuisance and expect to be treated with love and kindness.

PS: The fallacy often expressed here that Nigeria helped to "liberate" South Africa, it will remain that. A fantasy, South Africans liberated themselves even when America and UK supported the apartheid government. We were on the streets of this country making it ungovernable for the white minority while Nigerian had a succession of military dictators.

ikamefa:
the thing wey facebook go cause chai!

@Ika

I agree.

- I find it boring to say the least.
- Facebook based relationships are simply doomed from the start because the truth is that it is based purely on looks and physical attributes and not on character.
- I can count the number of times i have actually posted on facebook in past few months.
- It is not mentally stimulating for me as far as i am concerned.
- I would simply advise anyone in a serious relationship to please avoid facebook, cus all it would do is lead them down the path of temptation.
- Its impossible to deduce someone's character from their facebook persona hence to be frank its a dangerous platform.
- The security issues associated with facebook, makes it near impossible for me to leave my personal information on it.
- I am very picky and choosy about people I call friends both online and in real life, yet even I have made mistakes based on facebook. How much more with people who are more outgoing than I am.

Bottom line is that facebook based relationships are a disaster waiting to happen.

1. Am sad to say but it seems the divide and rule tactics of the Europeans is starting to take root and work all over again. This can be seen in the obvious illogical animousity that is currently developing between south africans and other africans.

2. It seems the Europeans (white south africans) are gradually starting to succeed in isolating the south africans from other africans, hence i would not be suprised if death rate amongst blacks is significantly higher and birth rate is significantly lower. History shows that whites would go to any length to steal something that does not belong to them. its sad that some South African blacks cannot see beyond their vuvuzelas.

3. One thing that suprises me is this, if HIV is so rampant in South Africa, how come it is not being reported to be rampant amongst White South Africans (the more i look at this the more i am being forced to consider the possibility that HIV might actually be a biological weapon of some sorts).

cap28:
america recently DEPORTED a democratically elected president (Jean Bertrand Aristide) to the central african republic.

I always knew America was interfering in Haiti because Whites are still annoyed that blacks slaves in Haiti had the audacity to take control of the country out of the hands
of the colonial masters. However i never knew they went as far as deporting a sitting president to another nation.

@caps28.

I completely lost my respect for Tudor the moment he started arguing that Messiah of the bible was white, this was because he claims to be an atheist, yet he still believes the Messiah was white. Despite that he has no reference for such a stand other than what he has been taught in the past as regards a White Messiah.

@topic


- Yes Mugabe is corrupt, nevetheless a corrupt mugabe is still better than an imperial white nation.
- The last foiled mercenary coup in Equitorial Guinea is the example that Whites are still actively carrying out their imperialistic tendencies in African and most of the world where there are resources which they seek to exploit.


Any white man holding land ownership illegally in africa i.e. by inheretance should be relieved of the land and deported, i have nothing against any white man who actually bought the land. However i am totally against any white man who inherited stolen land.

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- Repatration to Africa is probably part of the reasons why Abiola was killed, cus i think part of his personaly views is that repatration should be done.

- Its unfortunate the most African leaders are more or less western puppets hence i am not suprised that non of them is pushing through the repatration concept.

@Tudor
Demand for repatration by Africa is not wrong and neither is it a sign of being without initiative, considering the so called developed countries have likewise requested and accepted the same. Hence you logic as concerned repatration is a little bit flawed.

morpheus24:
But note that despite the introduction of these genes when referencing the African American population in America, has not profoundly changed the phenotypically make up of the populous.

This disproves the statment people make concerning east Africans who they claim are a mixed people when given other examples one can see that the introduction of foreign genes in an area that possseses Dominant gene traits can be said to constitute a mixed people.


The only example of a true mixed "race' of people can be found in the "coloreds" of south Africa who are the most genotypically diverse when refencing mixed people.

Sorry i am not an expert in genetics hence i can't follow u with your grammars  .

Yes you are correct to an extent in that Africa is bloody diverse i.e. the diversity of black people in africa alone is diverse. Also the changes seen in the African Americans is not that rampant because most of the slaves were mostly obtained from a particular section of africa having similar bone structures. Also since black genes are dominant hence its easy to see why African Americans have not changed much physically cus they were more or less mostly mixing with Whites and in some cases Native Americans.

I don't know much about the coloureds of south africa hence would love some introduction and summary about them.

One thing i know is that Ethiopians and Nubians and Egyptians are more or less brothers from the same father i.e. Ham ,  and are all black even though they have slightly different physical features (something easily seen amongts the Igbos of Nigeria who have a higher diversity of very light skinned igbos and dark skinned igbos). Sometimes, some ibos almost look like Half Caste even though they are actually full blooded africans and black men.

So in terms of diversity of black africans, i am not really suprised.

I was just trying to give an explanation for how a certain gene type can be found amongst the blacks of north african and not amongst the blacks of east or south or west africa. . . racial mixing due to invasion and isolation of other africans from invaders could easily explain such things i.e. if we ignore the already obvious fact of genetic diversity amongst we africans ourselves.

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mama ngozi how u dey , how body.

I heard malaysia is restricting people from going to a concert.

I fear for your country cus it seems the islamofascists are gradually tightening the screw, on non-muslims. Soon they would start saying non-muslims cannot Poo without first paying tax.

I told Krayola that Eto is far far better than Ibahimovic, if it were a black guy that was as shit as Ibrahimovic he would not even make the bench of Barca talkless of the first team.

Eto has been treated badly by Barca, how the Bleep can barca sell a talented black man and then replace him with a talentless white man, men it defies logic (except of course u consider the secret spanish racism angle).

Ibahimovic no go make the first team for Shooting Stars sef, talkless of Barca.

Italian league is shit, yet the guy did not even set the place alight, Barca go kaput if Messi should have an injury, cus Ibrahimovic is useless,

I have said Eto is a far far better player than Ibahimovic, just goes to show that Barcelona are stupid afterall.

Why sell Eto wen there are few players better than him.