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[quote author=$osisi link=topic=289103.msg4096255#msg4096255 date=1246046330]Tayo -D,I know we diagreed heavily on Obama during the elections.
Now I regret voting for the guy and encouraging others to do so
He's been nothing but a huge disappointment in my opinion
He's trying so hard to erase the ancient landmarks
I am no longer a fan of his[/quote]@osisi am sorry that u voted for him.

- I do not support either of the candidates neither republican nor democrats , cus they are just the same coin but merely different side of the coin.
- obama was put forward by the NWO controlling the USA (e.g. Geogre Soros and co) because of his exoticness, skin color, anger against the republicans, anger against Bush and all other favourable reasons.
- In all reality there is little difference between Bush and Obama in terms of policy implementation e.g. some of the security and secrecy issues created by bush are still being used by him.
- I am glad that people are starting to wake up to the deception known as Obama.
- The Bankers broke the economy, and then Obama goes ahead to hire the same bankers connected to the scandal to try and fix the same problem created by them (Timothy Giethner and co).
- Bush was a pawn.
- Obama is also a pawn. He is just a black pawn.
- The fact that the state of isreal can call the bluff of the USA President is reason for u to realise that Obama is there is execute some people's programs and not necessarily do things that benefit people.
- yes the original post is a little bit ridiculous at times, but there a slight element of truth to it.
- Africans need to realise that Europeans have never done anything that benefits Africa, their actions are based on ulterior motives and greed towards a longterm benefit for Europe. So long as Africans keep looking to Europe for solutions, we would still continue to be backward, until we iron out our own problems and pick ourselves up just like the Chinese and Japanese (who were also once decimated/dominated by European power at one time or another).
- IRS keeps extorting people and yet they are not even a government institution (yep they are private).
- Federal Reserve has caused 2 markets crashes till date, have benefited from them and yet they also are not a goverment institution (yep they are private)
- The truth is that no party affiliated politician can be trusted, even wen it looks like they are innocent, cus they would never be in their position if they were not team players.
- The best thing and closest thing to having a trusthworthy politician is if the policitian is an independent.
- The solution to debt management is not more debt instead it is less debt, yet here u have Obama and most of the politicans advocating for TARP and other stimulus packages that only the wealthy people actually benefit from and which the poor people and their future generations have to pay for. Yes i have heard people claim that the wealthy pay more tax than the poor, well if u consider that in value yes , but in terms of cash flow, not really, cus the rich have the means to get back wat they paid via other means. Hence while the poor pays the tax and sees it no more , the rich however can still get back a percentage of the tax via cash flow towards him through other areas.

@jesoul

wats ur opinion

nice post man

@give to me to help her spend it as a stranger.

lol lmao,

FL Gators:
Shere me ke?

@Missy B
Night baby.

Yes i am not sharing u with anybody d bit*y is mine and mine alone,

@missyb can go and find hers somewhere else, probably in her dreams

to share u with another man - difficult
to share u with another woman - lai lai over my dead body

@gators

so because missyb and bluespice are here
u are starting to disown me in public, we shall who is ur daddy wen u get home

bluespice:
gators ur presence is needed
i think u know where
missy same ges for u

and u better start writing ur reasons for ur AWOL
if not!

no2a thats my sister
u want to know somn u come thru me
and i say back the funk away!

I am already taken, y do u think @gator is making yanga for me online. @missyB can keep her packages i already have my own morenike

FL Gators:
N2A

I'm not absent.  
See, I just replied your post
LOL. I missssssssssssssed you oh.
Y didnt you even send me an offline?

don't let come there to smack ur ass, u know wat i mean .

@missyB pls can u introduce yourself. How come everybody is lovey dovey over u.

FL Gators:
rotflmao. na true you talk.

_{how you dey? I should be asking you that. I still dey vex at u}

Gators ur presence is needed,

@others

who is missy B , why is everybody (bluespice and gators and others to follow) so lovey dovey over her. Is she a nairaland star or something or is there something i need to know about.

LadyT:
You know if Dildos produced sperm men would become soooooooooo redundant.

there is nothing like the taste of real flesh and u know it.

bluespice:
No2A yeah she did
and she has her own forum
naijazone.net
its fun y'all should join

Men na wa o.

I still feel people can decide to ignore insults or excessive banning and just continue as if nothing has been said. instead of fragmentation. I wish starstruck would come back. For what's it worth she sure has a good sense of humour.

Nairaland would not be the same if people start fragmenting into competing forumns

LadyT:
El you you know you would still hit that.

Thats the problem with men their p e n i s has a brain of its own.

At least we dont get pointless hard ons all day long.

Which is why u get pointless wet-ons instead,

@tubabie

is it that bad and serious has starstruck finally left nairaland or something

ibkaye:
How exactly?

e.g oil and gas industry where bulk of the work is done by the men even when they go on rigs alongside women.

FL Gators:
Really, low sperm count nko? Weak sperm?

1. low sperm count would still get u knocked up   with a man that can work it.

2. Other women have collected delivery of the sperms due to excessive demands for sex hence the storage tank has been sucked dry due to excessive requests.

3. Hence why do women contribute to the occurence of low sperm count   by requesting for it too much.

Why do women ask to be paid like men but refuse to work like men.

1. Why do women want something or someone and yet do things to push them away.

2. Why do women choose not to say wat they mean when they mean it.

3. Why do women not teach those men how to work it for them, instead of faking the reaction. Does it take so much to teach.

FL Gators:
Why do we have to fake orgasm? Why cant men just learn how to work it?
Why do men want us to lie to them and say they're better than the other 53 sex partners?
Why does it have to be about sex sex sex?
Why do men kiss and tell?
Why do men want suga mamas?

@Hauwa
ma dear, you're right on point

1. cus the libido is always there and there is no menopause (we are not pausing for anything) i.e. men no dey pause "menopause"
2. Because those men also want alimony

[quote author=*Hauwa* link=topic=288663.msg4090413#msg4090413 date=1245963555]Fl Gator, yes ooo they will be nurse changing adult diaper and tell you a doctor
they will be working in a home and say they are doctors  
not that we care just pay for ya meals
men sabi lie. they will sell and buy you if you no shine ya eyes. i tell all my sistahs out there, shine ya eyes  [/quote]You taught us to behave badly in the garden remember.

@women it was a bloody apple for goodness sake why did u have to eat it. Now would still all have been walking around naked so much so that somepeople would have nothing to hide anymore  (i am not naming names those people with unusual dairy products know themselves) .

@i think south africa should borrow us steven piennaar this one that the super chickens are playing like super fertilised egg,

am sorry to say, if south africa continues at this pace of development they would soon surpass nigeria in like 10 years. Nigeria seems not to be developing at all. Even Mikel is now shit, thank goodness for ikechukwu Uche and osaze who are really world class. most of out players are not really world class and they play as if they could careless

lets hope the vuvuzelas would be silenced now,

@muki i tut i told you to go back to go and play with babbie dolls and leave football with the men. Unfortunately it seems the vuvuzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelaaaaaas are confusing the brazilians for now.

delta 1:
Well am so surprised how people would talk of religion and churches like this. You talked about the early fathers of the catholic church as not writing the bible. Well if you should be a lil educated, the catholic church was the first church. The scriptures which is preached by most churches inclusive of Anglican church was compiled by the Early chuch which were more of catholic before the break of orthodox, Anglican and the protestants. Well goin to the history of the Anglican church, i believe this would help throw more light to your knowledge.

The English church was under papal authority for nearly a thousand years, before separating from Rome in 1534 during the reign of King Henry VIII. A theological separation had been foreshadowed by various movements within the English church such as Lollardy, but the English Reformation gained political support when Henry VIII wanted an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn. Under pressure from Catherine's nephew, the Emperor Charles V, Pope Clement VII refused the annulment. Eventually, Henry, although theologically a doctrinal Catholic, took the position of Supreme Head of the Church of England to ensure the annulment of his marriage. He was excommunicated by Pope Paul III[6].

Henry maintained a strong preference for traditional Catholic practices and, during his reign, Protestant reformers were unable to make many changes to the practices of the Church of England. Indeed, this part of Henry's reign saw the trial for heresy of Protestants as well as Roman Catholics.

Under his son, Edward VI, more Protestant-influenced forms of worship were adopted. Under the leadership of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, a more radical reformation proceeded. A new pattern of worship was set out in the Book of Common Prayer (1549 and 1552). These were based on the older liturgy but influenced by Protestant principles. The confession of the new reformed church was set out in the Forty-two Articles (later revised to thirty-nine). The reformation however was cut short by the death of the king. Queen Mary I, who succeeded him, sought to return England again to the authority of the Pope and undo the reforms. Many leaders and common people were burnt for their refusal to recant of their reformed faith. These are known as the Marian martyrs and the persecution has led to her nickname of "Bloody Mary".

Mary also died childless and so it was left to the new regime of her half-sister Elizabeth to resolve the direction of the church. The settlement under Elizabeth I (from 1558), known as the Elizabethan settlement, developed the via media (middle way) character of the Church of England, a church moderately Reformed in doctrine, as expressed in the Thirty-nine Articles, but also emphasising continuity with the Catholic and Apostolic traditions of the Church Fathers. It was also an established church (constitutionally established by the state with the head of state as its supreme governor). The exact nature of the relationship between church and state would be a source of continued friction into the next century"


From this you would realise that the anglican church was made for the selfish reason (greed) of one man Henry vii who only wanted a wife ( for name continuity) hence seeking for divorce and re marriage to Anne.

As for all the prayers issue i am surprise you said you went to "convent" (should be Seminary for guys) cos with that you ought to have understood that catholics never prayed to mary to saints. I believe your grievance could be personal else you'd take off the dirt in your eyes before that of others.

About me being a catholic its not relevant cos i go to many churches and worship for the sake of heaven and good. If you worship your church, then they would take you to their heaven,  but i believe its rather God you worship. with comments like yours a Muslim might even be closer to heaven than yourself.

Please people lets remove this catholicism and denomination thing and talk of the question at hand with Facts.
I have really learnt a lot from this post such as the Greek word for cousin and brothers and lots more.
Kindly send information that would be beneficial to this discuss rather than criticizing churches.

Well if you should be a lil educated, the catholic church was the first church. The scriptures which is preached by most churches inclusive of Anglican church was compiled by the Early chuch which were more of catholic before the break of orthodox, Anglican and the protestants

1. Are u catholic or otherwise

2. Kindly go through my previous post and contribute to the points raised line by line, instead of repeating the same nonsense that @chukwudi seems to have been spewing since.

- show how the catholic church was the first church using the bible.
- show through the bible how mary was remained a virgin after giving birth to the Messiah.
- show through the bible how some catholics claim that the Messiah never had brothers.

John the Baptist was the cousin of the Messiah, the bible did not call him is brother. The bible was very clear when it called certain people the brothers of the Messiah, hence the catholic dogma and idolatory about Mary being a perpetual virgin is nothing more than idolatory and semeremis worship or the nimrod order.

If you take time to really study ur bible you would realise that churches like Galatian church, corinthian church, thessalonica church, sardis, philadelphia etc are clearly churches that physically existed during and around the time of the lifetime of the early appostles. Not one mention of the catholic church was ever made. The Roman church was just one of the different churches setup by the apostles. The apostles never called themselves popes nor head. Istead your patience and decision to actually study and read the bible would lead u to understand that Paul was actually writing those churches in most if not all of his books in the New Testament. Hence your bullshit about catholic church just falls on its head and shows up as the typical brainwashed nonsense that it is.

Bible books had existed before anything called catholics, catholics did not help Paul write the letters. The letter of paul had already existed.

Catholics were amongst people used just as the Creator also sometimes uses the Devil (who is evil) to accomplish something good. Hence participation of the catholics alongside other people in the compilation of the bible does not mean they have authority of authorship over the bible. STOP DECEIVING URSELF.

Catholics were not the only ones who contributed to the compilation of the Bible, yet you never hear others claiming to have been the ones who wrote the bible. Because catholics contributed to compiling the bible does not mean they have authority over it.
Does ur common sense even tell u that part of the reason there was a split was because of the heresy of the catholics.

3. The catholic church must be opposed cus they are contributing to the eternal destruction of so many souls. the Messiah did not die so that some people can still deceive other people into worshipping false gods.

4. Can you kindly do ur best to point out where wat i have said has gone against the Bible.

5. All i have pointed out are areas in which the catholic church tradition and history completely goes against the bible.

6. Stop deceiving yourself there was never anything like the catholic church during the early church. The Messiah himself while addressing the 7 churches in the book of revelation did not mention any catholic church

7. Paul did not setup any catholic church, so wats errant nonsense are u talking about by saying the catholic church was the first church. Where and how was it the first church please show me using the bible.

8. Peter did not setup any catholic church, so wats the errant nonsense are u talking about by saying the catholic church was the first church. Where and how was it the first church please show me using the bible.


9. Go through my previous post line by line, point by point and show me using the bible how everthing i have said is wrong.

10. The problem that you catholic apologisers have is that u do not believe the Bible, instead u tend to believe the personality of the pastor/pope/bishop or tradition of the so called church. Hence why so many false churches and fake pastors are making so much money deceiving people today because people are too lazy to check the scriptures for themselves. Hence why ur ignorance is leading u to defend the catholic church agains the bible even though ur common sense ought to tell u that the Bible must come first at all times.

11. By the way i know that the Anglican church is merely an toned down english version of the catholic church without mary worshipping and a few other things. I know the history and i likewise do not reckon with the Anglican church. One heresy of the Anglican church is that they also have the king as the head of the church just as catholics have the pope as the head of their own church contrary to what the bible says that the Messiah Himself is the Head of the church.
Instead of posting irrelevant things about the anglican church, and something that has nothing to do with this topic and my original post, kindly do urself a favour, pick up ur bible and be checking catholic doctrine one by one in comparison with wat the bible actually says.
I was born into the Anglican church, nevertheless that does not stop me from revealing the heresies within the Anglican church. Responsibility of each and every Christian is to first and foremost follow the Bible to the letter even if it means exposing the lies and heresies of your past beliefs. Until u are able to do that, keep deceiving urself as u continue to claim to believe in the bible wen you clearly do not.

@chukwudi

Going by your stand and belief then it means you are probably trying to say that:

- Your early catholic church fathers know more about the Messiah than the Apostles themselves.
- Your early church father are more authentic than Moses himself.
- Your early catholic church fathers are saying the truth and the bible is lying whenever the bible disagrees with your early catholic church fathers.
- Your early catholic church fathers wrote the Bible.

Am sorry but it seems your delusion is nearing completion. Because the height of heresy is to actually claim that you believe human beings more than the bible itself, because otherwise:

- it means your early catholic church fathers did not write the bible.
- it means your early catholic church fathers cannot be trusted wen wat they say goes against the bible that they did not write.

Penultimately,

The words of the Messiah Himself who died for you is in the very Bible that you disregard yet you choose to say u do not do sola scriptura and instead say you prefer to believe the words of your early catholic church fathers (who did not die for you and who did not and can not give you salvation) rather than believe the words of the apostles and the Messiah himself and the ancient prophets. I really pity you that you can't see that your stand is so wrong at its fundamental levels.

Finally please how old are u and how long have you been a catholic, cus it seems u can't be trusted to think for yourself considering that way you are trying to twist my statements and pilgrim1's statements to say wat it does not say.

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@pilgrim1 thanks for trying your best to clarify issues for him as per wikipedia. Good news if he learns and accepts the issue about wikipedia. Bad news if he does not learn and accept. Its non of our business lets hope he does not lose his soul at the end of the day.


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By the way @chukwudi i noticed you skipped responding to an earlier post that really had something to do with this topic. Hence can you please try your best to answer the following question line by line.

@chukwudi



- The Messiah had siblings from the same mother (i know this and am sure of this because the bible says so).

- Yes Joseph was not His Father in the biological sense of the word. But Joseph was considered His earthly father.

- You keep showing that the bible is not the final authority as far as you are concerned.

- Can u please explain to me how a woman with her hymen broken during childbirth could have remained a virgin assuming Joseph never had sex with her.

- Can u please explain to me where the Bible says Joseph never had sex with Mary after the birth of the Messiah.

- Can u please explain to me who or wat Joseph was having intercourse with during the period He was alive and after the birth of the Messiah (to put it bluntly: who the heck was Joseph fucking). @pilgrim1 apologises for being so raw  .

- Hence based on the answers to the questions above how the heck is it that your own brain is still telling you that Mary was a virgin after the birth of the Messiah or does your own catholic perpetual virgin mary have something to do with the perpetual virgin hypothesis of the muslims in their 72 virgin al-janaa.

- Can u please explain to me, if the Bible was telling a lie when it says brother instead of cousin.

- Please can u kindly provide and boldly highlight where the bible says Mary remained a virgin.

- Please can u kindly provide and boldly highlight where the bible says the Messiah never had brothers and sisters from the same mother and same earthly father.

- Please can u kindly provide and boldly highlight where the bible says John the Baptist was the Messiah's brother considering that you are claiming that His cousins are His brothers and His brothers are His cousins via your own source of information.

- I am still a little confused as to how the catholic church can claim to beleive the bible and make statements, follow traditions and worship idols that are in complete contradiction and opposite to the very bible they claim to believe. No wonder the catholic church had to include the Apocrypha books into the scriptures in blatant disregard for the warnings of revelations against those who try to alter the scriptures.

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The second commandment is in the Torah.
The second commandment is in the bible.
Yet the catholic church omits and twists the second commandment.

Does it not sound a little fishy that what the second commandment was telling people not to do is exactly what the catholic church is doing in terms of bowing down to statues, kissing statues and worshipping statues called Mary, Jesus, Baby Jesus etc.

Hence am suprised that you claim Jews and Christians have issues with the second commandment, even though it is clear that they do not but that instead its Jews/Christians who have issues with Catholics about the second commandment. (this is clearly a typical example of where u have blatantly choosing to lie just to support your catholic faith). I really pity u that you still do not see that there is a problem once u have reached the level of having to lie for your catholic gods and believes.

Where in the Bible does it say that people should bow down to any form of statues as a form of worship of the Creator (nope the isrealites were not worshipping the serpent in the wilderness as another creator they were basically carrying out an instruction from the creator Himself of wat to do to overcome their sickness) (chk ur bible for the story  ).
Where in the Bible does it say that people should honour Mary.


Mary was a sinner, she needed salvation herself. Hence does worshippping and praying to a someone who herself needed to be saved determine your own salvation.

Did the Messiah tell us to pray to Saints - NO
Did the Messiah tells us to pray to Mary - NO
Did the Messiah tells us to pray to Him - NO
Did the Messiah tells us to pray in His name - Yes
Did the Messiah tells us to pray to the Pope - NO
Did the Messiah tells us to pray to the Apostles - NO
Did the Messiah tells us to pray to the Father in Heaven - YES
Did the Messiah tells us to pray to the Father in Heaven using His own name (Messiah's name) as a request key - YES
Did the Messiah tell us to worship Mary - NO
Did the Messiah tell us to worship the Apostles - NO
Did the Messiah tell the Apostles to go set up a central church in Rome - NO
Did the Apostles ever setup a central church in Rome - NO

So did Chukwudi get most of his information and beliefs from the Bible - NO
So did Chukwudi get most of his information and beliefs from the catholic church fathers - YES

Does that make Chukwudi right and the Bible wrong - NO
Does that make the Bible right and the Catholic church fathers wrong - YES

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By the way, @chukwudi according to catholic beliefs wat was the skin colour of the Messiah does he look european or non-european.

mukina2:
berra beleive it

Crizzle your boyfriend onyeawu was great today oh

Mehn i got nothing to say . . . .

I am waiting for the vuvu noise noise tommorow

i cant wait

@mukina does this look like the islamic thread to you,

@topic
Not suprised that spain lost, cus they are more or less a bigger version of Arsenal, beautiful football that can sometimes win things but does not know how to defend to save their own lives.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=286169.msg4083306#msg4083306 date=1245867992]Thank you so very much. The highlighted taught me a very bitter lesson I will never forget in a long time - I had used some citations from Wikipedia for a Philosophy course (was lazy at the time and submitted my research almost late). Cut long story short, I had a bold "F". When we sat in our next class, I had to admit that I was naive to have rushed to Wikipedia. Although, yes, not everything at Wiki is erroneous, I have since learnt to tread softly and carefully. [/quote]1. You are welcome

2. I am also guilty of sometimes lifting things from wikipedia but i have reduced that significantly now.

3. However i have recently tried my best to make sure i reference wikipedia and suspect wikipedia all at the same time. Hence i paraphrase my statements accordingly.

4. Sorry to hear about the "F" , hope the summer classes helped u cover up sha.

5. I also thread softly wen it comes to wikipedia.

6. Infact i sometimes suspect that some things are being changed cus it exposes a lot of lies in the various heretical churches. I can swear that i read something and had this feeling that the information had been moved or changed.

7. I just hope chukwudi would try to start reading the bible for himself and try to really understand what it says before he allows the catholic church to seal his eternity by brainwashing him into becoming an heretic going against the very bible he claims to believe.

@pilgrim1

I think now i know where mohammmed got part of his hatred from. There is no way people during mohammed's time would not have hated the catholic church for their lies and deciet.

@chukwudi

- The Messiah had siblings from the same mother (i know this and am sure of this because the bible says so).

- Yes Joseph was not His Father in the biological sense of the word. But Joseph was considered His earthly father.

- You keep exposing yourself with every post u make.

- You keep showing that the bible is not the final authority as far as you are concerned.

- Can u please explain to me how a woman with her hymen broken during childbirth could have remained a virgin.

- Can u please explain to me who or wat Joseph was having intercourse with during the period He was alive (to put it in a more better form: who the heck was Joseph fucking). @pilgrim1 apologises for being so raw  .

- Can u please explain to me, if the Bible was telling a lie when it says brother instead of cousin.

- Please can u kindly provide and boldly highlight where the bible says Mary remained a virgin.

- Please can u kindly provide and boldly highlight where the bible says the Messiah never had brothers and sisters from the same mother and same earthly father.

- Please can u kindly provide and boldly highlight where the bible says John the Baptist was the Messiah's brother considering that you are claiming that His cousins are His brothers and His brothers are His cousins via your own source of information.

- I am still a little confused as to how the catholic church can claim to beleive the bible and make statements, follow traditions and worship idols that are in complete contradiction and opposite to the very bible they claim to believe. No wonder the catholic church had to include the Apocrypha books into the scriptures in blatant disregard for the warnings of revelations against those who try to alter the scriptures.

- Finally one word of advice is that you should be careful about the things you reference on Wikipedia for the following reasons:
1. It can be created and altered by anybody
2. Various organisations such as the Vatican and Secret Services intentionally contribute their own forms of truth to the website. Hence that something is on wikipedia does not mean it is true.

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@tpiah

Sorry to hear that you are a catholic, i can only hope that someday and one day you would finally come to realisation that you really need to leave the place completely. Assuming that you do not already have conflicts from worshipping Mary instead of the Creator, conflicts from praying to Mary instead of the Father in Heaven, conflicts on issue of purgatory instead of realising their is only one Heaven and one Hell and nothing in-between.
I am grateful that i started questioning the catholic heresies right from primary school days (i went to MaryHill Covent School Ibadan although i was never once a catholic), hence i have come to appreciate and understand a lot of exposure of catholic heresies. I was raised an anglican but I know enough to realise that anglican church is more or less a politcally correct version of catholicism established as a family church by one of England's King (e.g. one of the heresies of the anglican church is that a human being - king or queen of england is the head of the church)

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=284000.msg4078312#msg4078312 date=1245800948]You insinuated I was the one that was wrong between the convo pilgrim and i were having because I was catholic, you didn't even read the post to see that Pilgrim confused me and Omenuko.
That is called making an assumption, and in your assumption, you insinuated I'm the idiot and obviously the person that was wrong, and you only did this based on the fact that I am catholic.
Rather than telling Pilgrim that I wasn't her enemy either, you only saw it fit to pound your delusions on me, not because I'd done anything wrong, but because I am catholic. My dear that is prejudice, learn to recognise it.

You came to me nicely by insulting me? If I were to say you're a bastard and to tell you I was saying it in a nice way would you believe me?
You want me to be Polite after you insinuated I'm an idiot and an idol worshipper? Is that how you make your friends, by insulting them?[/quote]1. Apologises in case you took my statements the wrong way, hope we can kiss and make up now . Yes enemies can be made as a result of my statements, however they are not set up to make enemies rather to reveal the truth and hopefully make longterm friends.

2. Yes you were feisty in the past, but haba Lady we usually still got along. What happened you are have changed.





[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=284000.msg4078312#msg4078312 date=1245800948]You lack reasoning and are completely ignorant. You need to beath the crap out of your parents for not paying attention to your education, and you need to go back to all your schools and flog every teacher you ever had and request your school fees back. And if you schooled in Nigeria, you are nothing but a disgrace to the Nigerian School system, because you clearly cannot tell the difference between insulting someone and asking them to be cordial with you. I doubt you even know the meaning of the word cordial.
Oh by the way all that I just said was to make peace, and to show that I really want to be cordial. I really want to be friends.
Like I said, your opinion on the Church doesn't count, being able to back up your assertions counts.
If all you say above is true, then back it up.[/quote]1. Haba now @Lady you are starting to hit below the belt.

2. I have not gotten this personal, yet you have gotten so personal to the point of referencing parents, which is unacceptable as far as am concerned. You can do ur best to insult me personally i won't mind but please kindly zip your tongue wen it comes to parents.

3. I have backed up my statement by referencing the Messiah Himself (who is the best witness), @pilgrim1 went a step further to show you that it occurs in the book of revelation.

4. I don't need to prove anything because i am using the bible for my arguments and simple logic tells you that i don't need to prove the bible. You and I both know the bible is true. Hence you statements insinuating that i still need to prove myself are quite disingenious. I do not need to prove myself cus i am using the bible.
Unless of course you are now saying that your catholic church history is more authentic and truthful than the bible itself.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=284000.msg4077217#msg4077217 date=1245784823]Ah, you have put it even more soundly than I could manage. I was wondering about the same thing: how does the term 'universal' apply to a small region?   Just because some people (so-called church fathers) make all sorts of pretentious claims to make it so does not mean they got it right! Nor were they able to logically make their deductions from any teaching of the apostles. Cyril of Jerusalem is not alone in making unfounded statements about this; but the interesting thing is that his statement is patently false - and those repeatedly quoting such vacuous statements are perpetuating such false ideas.[/quote]thank u jare