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Chrisbenogor:
Noetic you are as bloodthirsty as a fundamentalists as the fulani herdsmen full stop. All you used to justify the killing of women and children in the bible could be used to justify theirs too. They did not want the children to rise up and seek revenge too hence they killed the women and children.

this is what u get when u "debate" with dishonest illiterates, . , . . . .I asked u. . .WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR COMPARING USA TO MOSES?

mazaje:
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There is both of them killed innocent women and children. . . .The difference is Moses and his fellow men even burnt some of their enemies up as burnt sacrifice unto their god. . . . .

I am afraid I cannot change ur sentiments. . . . .but I can at least highlight the errors in ur arguments.
I chose to debate with u in the hope that if we could separate ur hate for God . . .  .we could look at the moses case objectively. . . but I guess I am off on a long shot.

Must you always lie through your teeth? I thought Moses and his people were identified as "God's chosen men"? What other identity do they need?. . . . .Those other communities were considered hostile only because they worshiped different gods no?- . . . .And yet you guys go around crying and complaining when muslims kill you for worshipping a differnt god no?. . . .The language understood by all parties was not war. . . .The Jews are the only ones that justify killing others because their god told them to kill them for worshiping other gods. . . .How is Yahweh differnt from Allah here?

Lets put the God issue aside as it seems to be the basis of ur lack of objectivity. . . lets look at it from a civil and intellectual perspective.
A group of people are living in the wilderness without food, water, a permanent roof on their head or the normal smell of home. ,  .they are living on a promise, . . . . . . .on a promise for a better life. .  . ,
a. is there a need for these people to have a sense of defence and caution?
b. is there a need for these people to play the game of war, with the intent of the survival of the fittest?
c. considering their antecedents as having upstaged pharao (the world's super-power), should they let their caution of guard at the detriment of their safety?

Sorry there is no god for me to hate, there is only sick and crazy stories which people wrote about some god they invented according to their own culture and tradition telling them to kill other people mostly because they worship  their own gods whom they also created in their own image and according to their own culture and traditions. . . .The fulani herdsmen that killed the children and women in jos are no different from moses because they both refused to allow the innocent live. . . . .

This is quite evasive and intellectually dishonest.

1. you did not tell me why u would give that advice to moses. . , . . . .why would u advise him not to kill since these same people could come to kill u and ur kids tomorrow as an act of revenge?. . . .why do u find it so hard answering this question?

2. you take for granted the ignoble fact that we presently live in a civil society, where there is law and order. was there any local or international law to protect the rights of the children of israel?. . . .ur attempt to draw comparisons at ease is NOT objective.

Zodiac61:
God, I presume, has a purpose for all of us. His ultimate aim, you would say, is that human beings reconcile with him, and accept his son as lord and saviour. The bible has been described as the "Good  Book" and is the manual by which Christians are meant to live their lives and make sense of an uncertain world. It, therefore, behoves the author of any such manual to ensure that his instructions are so clear that it does not allow misinterpretation. If god chose not to make the bible understandable to everyone who picks it up (even the nuisance), then he has just set people up to fail.

The above is simply silly.

1. it has been established on this thread that the bible was NOT written to preach to anyone. . . or to spread the gospel. the bible was simply written as a collection of prophetic words and letters to believers. . . in order to strengthen their faith. Your idea of a good-book is unfounded. . . u have no business reading the bible as an unsaved person. . . . .how did u hear of the bible? how would u find assimilable the concept of faith, if u have not first exercised faith by accepting the gift of salvation?

2. Did Jesus at anytime during His ministry emphasize on the scriptures as the route to salvation?. . . . .why then do u link God's ultimate plan to the bible?

Likewise if he chose to write it in coded prophesy, because this mean that people seeking salvation would have to depend on other people for their understanding of the will of god. Surely, it is doctrinally wrong to depend on other people for the interpretation of the bible. "I am the way, the truth and the light. No one gets to the father except through me." Your comments have just consigned the words of Jesus (who I am sure you believe in) to dust. your version of Christianity would place intermediaries between believers and Jesus.

1. dude, do u know what a prophecy is?. . . . . .a prophecy has absolutely no connection to ur salvation. a prophecy talks about future events. . . .if these events were written in very plain and emphatic words. . .men would have the conscious ability to ensure they never happen. . . that would rebuff the ontological concept of God. prophecies have no business with anyone getting saved.

2. You do not need anyone to interpret the bible for u. . . . .infact it is not advisable to stick to indoctrinated interpretations of the bible. get saved, get baptised by the HS . . . , and the spirit of God in u, will help u unravel the mystery of the bible.

I am sure that your god wants atheists to see the light and come home. The bible should therefore be clear enough for even atheists to read it and realise their errors. The bible should make god's intended message clear (even to non-believers). Seeing that believers themselves have many different interpretations of the message, how can the bible be described as the inerrant word of god?

you miss the point.

God did NOT write the bible for atheists . . . . . .God wrote the bible for His sons . , . . .He however directed His sons to evangelise to lost souls (atheists) that they may not perish.

Zodiac61:
These do not make any sense at all.  If god inspired the bible, he should have made it easily understandable. Depending on him for complete understand is akin to saying I will interpret the bible according to my moods.

The above is very senseless.

1. why would u decide for God whether to make it easily understandable to every nuisance that picks up a bible?. . .why do u find the notion of God having the liberty of choice unacceptable?

2. if u read a book inspired by God. . . . .written (perhaps in coded prophecy) as God wanted it to be written. . . .would it not be dumb to attempt to make a meaning of the book without the help of God?

3. what meaning would an atheist make of the bible?. . .can such meaning be reconciled with God's intended message?

Now I understand why people are not encouraged to read the entirety of the bible. If you are not a christian, it is not meant for you, and by the time you become one it is not necessary. This is the way I read point 2. I am sure that there is some logic there, it just can't be found. In other words, the bible does not make sense. WOW, some insight.
The more you try, the more you tie yourself in knots.

This is just nuts

mazaje:
Noetic you are fighting a lost battle, What is the difference between Moses, Yahweh and the leader of the Fulani herds men that attacked and killed women and children in Jos?. . . , NOTHING. . .So many christians I know don't even try to apologise or justify such passages in the bible, they prefer to say that these are some of the actions of Yahweh that still remains a mystery to them, If many had the power they would have removed such passages from the bible(So many people do not even know that such passages exist in the bible to begin with because they hardly read such passages to tem in church). . . .Knock it off, you are not helping your self or your beliefs here with this empty statements of yours. . . . . .

blah blah blah.

There is absolutely no basis for comparing moses to the fulani herdsmen. moses was the leader of a people without an identity, who wanted liberation and was travelling within hostile communities. . .in a season where the only language understood by all parties was war.

can you let ur hatred for God becloud ur objectivity?. . . .what EXACTLY is the basis for the comparison u made?

Mudley313:
i may be dumb, but not vile n despicable like u (n d fulani savages) are, wit a senseless n evil mind devoid of empathy polluted wit d thots of slaughtering innocent women n children just becos they dont share in the same belief system as your vile selves

read what u wrote again n tell me if there's any difference in your reasoning wit the nazis, al-qeadis n colonial slave masters of dis world

and enough wit dis your "war situation" excuse. hitler gassed 6 million innocent jews during a time of war, does dat makes such despicable genocidal act justified? skin-heads n neo-nazis believe god was using hitler to lift the white race above all by cleansing away those different from them even if through hurrendeous means, i guess dat makes dem racist justified in your book? dude, u (n the heartless jos killers) disgust me

I dont expect u to see sense in my analyses. .  . . . . simply because u are beclouded by your own folly.

but here is an implicit meaning of my analyses. . . . . . .Moses was in (human literal interpretation) a do-or-die survival of the fittest struggle. . . . .moses was NOT the leader of a 21st century super-power called America. and all the wars he fought, he fought as an under-dog. . ,   , are u so DUMB to find these facts alien?

A nation without a home fighting for their own survival is now being compared to the USA fighting for oil. . . . . . .

Chrisbenogor:
Now you noetic are a Sick human being and I mean that in a very serious way
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Are you Kidding me? America went to war with iraq did they wipe out all the children so they would not grow and revenge? We had a civil war in this country how many women and children were wiped out? Do you even realise that what you are talking about is genocide, ethnic cleansing?

I dont think we have anything further to discuss, you are as morally bankrupt as a fulani herdsman.

Chrisbenogor . . . . .foolishness is not an excuse for lack of intelligence , . . . , was moses in the same shoes as America?
must u foolishly throw away facts because of ur beliefs?

shez . . . . .uhmn

how af u been?

mazaje:
You say that the bible is not designed for non-Christians yes? Please tell me then, how anyone is supposed to become a Christian if the holy book is inaccesable to all those not buying it?

1. quite wrongly, I did NOT imply the above. Do u accept that God inspired the bible?. . . if yes. . then u need the help of God to understand what He inspired in the bible. . .if no. . , .then u can make any meaning of anything u find in the bible.

2. u dont need a holy book to become a Christian. . . u need to accept the gift of salvation. reading the bible comes after u know ur place in God. . .the bible is designed for spiritual growth and not for intellectual exploration.

On wait, I know. Indoctrination. You know, being told by OTHER PEOPLE what to believe and how to do it and what to believe in.

this has nothing to do with denominational doctrines. . . . . , just salvation. u are told of the gift and then u make a rational choice to either accept this gift or reject it.

There is no other way by your criteria, to become a Chrisitan. You made your own trap and fell into it. People need to be told about Christianity, just like any other religion, which therefore makes it an epic FAIL.

is this a joke? . . . .Christianity is an epic fail because of evangelism? says who?
perhaps u need to understand the creed Jesus gave His disciples when He ask that they Go into the world and preach the gospel.

Krayola:
What, about Jesus? people have always believed different things about Jesus. Before Paul. Not all christians believed he was God, some believed he was just another Rabbi, some believed he was a messiah but didn't die for their sins or anything like that. They loved him dearly and reverred him after his death, but in different ways. They were all Jesus followers. SO when u say there is only one Christianity, u aren't really saying anything IMO. What do people that do not believe in a soul that exist separate from the body need salvation for? Belief in the saving power, for souls, of Jesus, is characteristic of Pauline christianity, not of all expressions of christianity.

1. That people think of Jesus as a rabbi, or that Jesus is a rabbi does not stop Him from also being a saviour and God. . . . . , the two are NOT mutually exhaustive.

2. krayola it would be very wrong to say that "Not all christians believed he was God" . . . . . this is because the word Christian is derived from Christ. . , , to be a Christian u must at the very least accept the ontological nature of God.

3. Believe in the saving power of Jesus for the redemption of sins is the underlying principle of Christianity . . . . .whoever does not believe in this is definitely NOT a christian. . .and as such cannot have another branch of christianity.

4. Can u name the other types of Christianity and what distinguishes them from the Pauline Christianity?

Mudley313:
bro, your reasoning is utmostly despicable, poisoned by the need to defend atrocities committed by others (israelites, not even nigerians) all in the name of gawd

back to topic. from from the assertions of mr. genocide justifier above, i think we can now come to the conclusion that the above scriptures quoted by the OP is in no way any different from what the savages did in jos; most probably even worse. they had to spare the virgin females for their pleasure. ashewos

dude, I hate to think u are DUMB. . . . .the parts u made bold in my post do not reflect what they sound like. . .read again

Mudley313:
bro, your reasoning is utmostly despicable, poisoned by the need to defend atrocities committed by others (israelites, not even nigerians) all in the name of gawd

back to topic. from from the assertions of mr. genocide justifier above, i think we can now come to the conclusion that the above scriptures quoted by the OP is in no way any different from what the savages did in jos; most probably even worse. they had to spare the virgin females for their pleasure. ashewos

what EXACTLY happened to ur ability to comprehend simple statements?. . . . . , what happened to the background notion that moses faced a war-torn and very different situation?. . . .is ur hatred for God also affecting ur rationality?

Krayola:
That's a very superficial statement and I really want to believe u know better. 

lol . . .u dont expect me to celebrate doctrines and denominations . . .or do u?
That explains why I never play the denomination card. . I'd just stick to Jesus.

Krayola:
Paul did not invent Christianity. Pauline Christianity was not, and still isn't, the only expression of Christianity out there.

I find the term "Pauline Christianity" very alien. . . .Paul did NOT invent xtianity . . . . . .there is just one brand of Christianity. . .this brand is JESUS CHRIST.

manmustwac:
when you die its your imagination that goes to heaven

would it not be too late for u . . . . . .when u find out that u are wrong?

dem go hear wen!!! . . . .barca no fit do me anything

ooooo na u dey mind am? wen arsenal dey top table?

mazaje:
This post is brilliant. . . .I just want to talk a lil about this holy spirit stuff. . .Most Christians love throwing the holy spirit card but I just don't get it. It makes no sense at all. . . . .My man Noetic came along with his usual "explanations" . . . . .All I have to say to him is that if the bible is the holy word of god that wants people to know about him and his "salvation" why shouldn't it be an easy read, and only engrossing to the chosen people as he just said?. . .Or why is it that only they are able to read the "deeper" truths christians claim exist within it. Isn't that why they tell us atheists we should read the bible? If we lack the holy spirit why tell us to read it or use bible quotes to defend their positions?. . . .If your holy spirit actually enables people to understand the bible why are their so many different brands of christian or so many different interpretation of the same narrative or verses of the bible? Shouldn't the spirit send the same signal to all those that read the bible instead of the endless confusion that we see around today?. . . . .

1. Mazaje, u can read the bible and make any meaning of it. but if u think that God inspired the bible, is it not write that u depend on Him for the complete understanding of such bible.

2. on the contrary and as I pointed out to krayola, the bible was not designed for unsaved persons to read and get saved. . . . .twas largely written to groups of believers to increase and inspire their faith.

3. there is only one brand of Christianity. . . . .and thats the salvation through JC.

4. my position on this bible thing is like a law student trying to make sense of a medical text-book.

Pastor AIO:
I don't think so. I don't even think that our coins are in the same currency. But please, I'm just trying to get some amusement this evening. Jesoul wanted to see some action but didn't get any. I'm just killing time before match of the day starts.

you are so right. we are looking at different coins.

your anti-Christ notions on this forum is legendary. . . ur ridiculous attempt to relate IFA to xtianity still rings a bell. . . . . . .ur ridiculous posers challenging the Godship of Jesus Christ also rings a bell, . . . . .

Pastor AIO:
Could smell?  No sir, you [b]do [/b]smell.  And being polite is not going to help your situation.  What you need is a bath.  You need to be cleansed of all manner of filth.  Filth such as . . .

sounds like u are crying for milk . . . .I will give u some  

Perhaps if you were less given to delusions, calling it holyghost inspiration, and rather made a more thorough study of the bible then you would be aware that what you said above was complete utter nonsense.  Many married Jews and did not convert to judaism, it is not automatic that you follow the tradition of your husband.  It was not the holy spirit that told you that, it was the spirit of Mendacity.  
I suspect that you are too lost in your delusions but for the rest of the contributors to this thread who may be interested in this matter it is worth considering this passage in the bible from Ezra.

And this:
As you can see, many jews married gentiles and their spouses were not automatic converts to Judaism.   It is not a sin to not have thorough knowledge of the bible, or to not be aware of these passages.  However it is quite appalling to be puffed up in one's ignorance.  Arrogance and ignorance is the most atrocious combination of mental states.   Really, it is.

1. u claimed that Ruth was converted to judaism. . . . .but on the contrary she willingly told her mother-in-law in ruth 1:16 that she would serve Naomi's God . . . . this was a rational and personal choice,  . . how did u miss that from the bible?  

2. I never claimed the HS told me anything about Ruth. . .all I did was to EXPOSE your delusive and uninformed ignorance. the fact that God asked them not to marry foreign women does NOT lay credence to your ridiculously FALSE assertions. why did God ask them not to marry foreign persons in the first place?. . . . was it not to prevent the importation of alien religious doctrines . . read 1 kings 11:4 . . .did u also miss that from your bible?  

3.  how EXACTLY have I been arrogant? arrogant at what?. . . .do I have the exclusive knowledge of the bible?  
. . . . .I am actually more interested in the part u mentioned about me being ignorant. . . . . I hate to ever think I am ignorant. . .so I beg of u,  .please educate me  

mazaje:
I am not lying to anybody, and yes it is not about any God, Its about people and it will always be about people. I was just trying to show you that you will NEVER justify the actions of Moses if Moses were changed with Mohammed, You will see the action for what it is. . . . .You are only trying to justify the actions because moses happens to be one of the most revered prophets of the holy book you subscribe to as the word of God. . . . . .

u are wrong. what does it matter to me if moses action or inaction is viewed as a crime or inhuman. . , , and who reveres moses. . .definitely not xtians, . , .on a lighter note, I simply have a different point of view to urs, moses or no moses.

The ever evasive Noetic. . . .

and what am I evading?

I will tell Moses NOT to kill the innocent children simply because they are innocent. . . .Why do people complain bitterly when innocent children are killed in wars today? . . .Even the present day IDF try their possible best not to kill the children of their enemies(Hamas, hisballah) when they wage war against them. . . . .

fair enough.

This is what I would tell moses. . .I would tell him that the ultimate decision of what to do to these people lies with him. and that moses has 2 options . . . .to either take them as slaves . . . or to kill them.
by taking them as slaves we become prosperous. . .but they would grow up in the future to revenge the death of the folks. . . . .why empower ur enemies?
by killing them. . . we kill harmless children but avert a future crises. mind u this was a war scenario.

my point is that. . .the case of mose killing is not balck and white as u would like to paint it.

drinks dog urine for energy

hehehe. . u sure say u want chop?

mazaje:
It is not about God, And no, I am only rejecting the bias that Ancient Jews wrote down about their alleged history. No God wrote any part of the bible, Men wrote everything and ascribe it to what ever concept of God they imagined. . . . .If this passage were in the Koran, I know for sure you will be all over the place reminding the Moslems how evil and blood thirsty their God and Prophet is. . .But since it is written In your own bible, the best you can do is try to spin it. . . . .

Mirrior mirror own the wall. . . . .

first u claim its not about God. . yet u end ur assertions by talking about the koran God. . . . , who do u think u are lying to?

The problem is that wars are still been fought today and there are conventional methods of fighting wars. If humans can set up laws like the geneva convention which disallows the killing of innocent civilians, Not just women and children you would expect an allegedly all knowing and all merciful god to give better instructions on how to deal with innocent children and innocent women who are victims of war no?. . . .what you are doing here is ignoring reality and making your scripture perform gymnastics to fit something you can live with.as I said it this passage were in the koran you approach will be different. . .

The above is irrelevant in light of my primordial submission and poser raised to u.

What moses did is NOTHING different from what the comander of the fulani herdsmen that killed people in Jos did, I will advice moses and also the commander of the fulani herdsmen that invade Jos(Since their attrocities are almost the same) NEVER to kill innocent children, simply because they are innocent. . . . . . . . . . .

u did not answer the second part of my question. . . . , why would u give this advise?. . .and pls dont relate it to jos yet. . .I am just interested in moses case.

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honeric01:
Farts in the church premises  

@ post

smells of urine

nao ke? . . . , u no know say panla dey take like 50 mins b4 it ready?

kind kiss-slap

is it not my boxers?. . . .and is it my nose that does the sniffing?. . .so wetin be ur own?

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uses abysmal slangs

dear mama cass, your costomers dey here oooo 

passionate kiss

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