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Pastor AIO:
It might have been a cheap point but it would have been a very gratifying point. Just because something is cheap doesn't mean that it can't have it's uses. I'm not interested in 'debating' with you, but I don't mind to mock you from time to time.

Thanks for disclosing that . . . . .I could smell such as u rebuffed my polite posers.

So how do u feel now that ur ignorance has been exposed again?

mazaje:
Its very funny the extent which these guys go just to justify ancients myths and fables even if it means throwing away their common sense.

I also find it funny how many of these guys refuse to be realistic simply because they reject every thing related to God,

Mirror mirror on the wall. . . .

denial is a crime. . . that mirror was showing you

What do you expect the fulani herdsmen to do with the children they killed in Jos? Let them grow old so that they can come and revenge tommorow? Killing and despoil is wrong only when Muslims do it or when it is written about in the Koran, But it is always right when the so called chosen men of Yahweh do it or when they write about it and tell people that it is their god that told them to kill others , despoil them and pillage their lands in their alleged holy books. . . . . . .Wow, Just wow. . . .

Mazaje. . . let us assume God did not give those instructions.
. . . moses was a man leading a bunch of people he had just delivered from the world's super-power Egypt to a land he (moses) has in mind. . . . . .moses comes across a group of people who refuse him peaceful access through their city. . . .they end up fighting a war. . .and moses and his army prevailed and overcame their opponents.

u mazaje, u are moses chief adviser . . . . .what advise would u give moses on the captured women and children?, . . . and why would u give such an advice?

loves paraga

chop chop every time. . . . .u no sabi pass food?

friendly slap.

bigfoot79:
The whole twist is nerve cracking, and i really don't know what or who to follow now

just follow Jesus.

chi-slap

Mudley313:
same kind of self-defence the marauding fulani herdsmen applied to innocent women n children in jos? this thread just goes to show how religion can turn normal human beings to emotionless savages n supporters of savage acts with zero ethics n morals n no empathy for human life whatsoever, be it innocent women n children---as long as somebody tells them, or writes down. that their god commanded it.

*shakes head*

nope. . the thread just shows how simple issues could be manipulated to suit out dogmatic beliefs.

the children and women caught were the remnants of a city that lost a war. . . . . .what were the options. . . .keep the children, let them grow so that they come and revenge tomorrow? . . . . . . .must u be dumb in the name of atheism?

Purist:
Self defence? Against feeble women and harmless boys? Are you kidding me?!

why turn the story upside down?. . . how were the boys captured in the first place?. . .must u throw the truth on its head?

Pastor AIO:
@Neotic

What was that you said about Monopoly on Knowledge? I was looking for it but it seems that you modified the post and deleted it. What a shame! I was about to write a fitting riposte, but I'll just leave it now.

I thought u were not interested in this debate anymore? . . . .what a shame u came back to score a cheap point. . . . .what were u ashamed of?. . .the exposure of ur ignorance?

MyJoe:
I am certainly not qualified to question an individual’s faith or any of the assertions about the Holy Spirit inspiring the Bible or helping anyone to understand it. [b]While my personal observation [/b]is that talks of Holy Spirit said this Holy Spirit did that are all in your head, I do not know enough to dismiss the possibility, altogether, that there is a Holy Spirit who inspired the Bible and also explains it to you. What I do know is that folks I know who say God speaks to them always relate what it is they wanted to hear, or what those whom God does not speak to, would have figured out in seconds on their own. I am also aware that my level of disagreement on Bible points with Christian A is often about the same as that between Christian B and Christian C. Now, I am one of those the Holy Spirit has never interpreted the Bible to. And I am not here about questioning whether or not all the miracles in the Bible took place, as I have no proof that they did not. It is my view that if the historicity of the Bible is false, it follows that the Bible, or that part of it, is not the inerrant word of God whom nuclearboy has reminded us is all-powerful. If there are interpolations, it does not void the authenticity of the entire Bible but brings “Biblical Inerrancy” under the spotlight.

1. myjoe, there is the utmost need for objectivity if at all u want to be taken seriously. I have never disputed the fact ANYONE can make ANY meaning from ANY book including the bible. but if we agree that the bible is from God, then we must also agree that it takes God to understand what He inspired in the bible. . . . . that God is called the HS.

2. it is IMO very unobjective to dismiss the potency of the HS helping people understand the bible simply based on people wwho have lied in the name of God. . . . .I cannot push this any further, but if u must know. . .this sounds . . . .

Which is why the assertion combatively made by noetic16 that the Bible is meant for the elect and the unsaved have no business exploring it must be seen for what it is: a fundamentalist brand of neo-Calvinism which will find more resonance among the draftsmen of the discredited apartheid system than in biblical Christianity. While the book of Ezekiel had messages for Oholah and Oholiah (Jerusalem and Samaria) at the height of their “prost[i]i[/i]tution”, Jonah’s message was addressed to the “unsaved” people of Nineveh. (The concept of “saved” and “unsaved” as used here is not biblical, but that is another matter.) Paul, who is credited with the spread of Christianity, along with his companion Silas, used the scriptures extensively in his ministry. The weight placed on the scriptures as authority is demonstrated by their activities among the Beroeans. I have already cited Luke. The Ethiopian Eunuch was helped with the aid of the scriptures to accept Christianity. When rebuking Satan, the Pharisees and other contrarians, Jesus told them “it is written”, not “the Spirit told me”. Those who converted to Christianity in the first century did because they had read of the coming of the Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures. Nobody ever went around in their mission to reach the “unsaved” with the good news citing the Holy Spirit. That is why Christians have been spending millions producing copies of the Bible and distributing them to the “unsaved” far and wide.

1. Do not let your drive to win a non-existent debate make u loose focus for objectivity. My position on the bible being for the saved is formed from several notions. . . . but let me start from where u started.

a. The book of Ezekiel and the message of Jonah are prophetic messages. prophecies have absolutely no link to salvation. . . . .prophecies show what God plans to do in the future. . .  .to limit prophecies to the saved is to say that God only has jurisdiction in the company of the saved. So quite unlike your assumption, everyone receives prophetic messages (saved or unsaved) and prophecies DO NOT reflect salvation.

b. Jonah's message to the people of Nineveh was a call to salvation. . .a call to repentance. Jonah did NOT refer anyone to the bible or scriptures. . .

c. u need to really read and understudy the ministry of Paul before u make your FALSE submissions. where was Paul always preaching the gospel?. . .  .he did so in the local synagogue of every city he visited. This implies that the people he preached to were aware of the what was written in the scriptures about the coming of the messiah. . .these people served God under the old covenant but were unaware that a new covenant had been established.
When Paul preached to persons who had no synagogue (persons who were unaware of the old covenant), he NEVER searched or taught from the scriptures like u FALSELY asserted. . . . . .he reasoned with them using intellectual arguments inspired by the spirit. . .read Acts 17:23-32

d. When Jesus said "it is written". . .who was Jesus talking to?. . . .He was talking to pharisees and saducees who were knowledgeable of the scriptures. can u show me anywhere else in the bible Jesus cited the scriptures while preaching to common folks?

2. using the scriptures to get God's intended message requires the help of the holy spirit . . . . . .and to get the holy spirit u need to be saved.

Pastor AIO:
@Neotic

What was that you said about Monopoly on Knowledge? I was looking for it but it seems that you modified the post and deleted it. What a shame! I was about to write a fitting riposte, but I'll just leave it now.

I had the wrong impression u had the knowledge of the subject but was unable to transmit such. . . . .but on a second thought, after re-reading ur post, I realised u were probably too egoic and ignorant to discuss any issue. . . . . to think u have a monopoly of knowledge is to assume that u have knowledge in the first place. . . . .

P.S: I do not want to go on, hence it would seem like a personal attack, a virus I have repented from

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Pastor AIO:
And I think that I'd rather not have continue this discussion.  It is not making any sense to me.  'Converting jews to judaism'.

It shouldnt cos. . . I am afraid your assertions are FALSE

1. were all jews in Jesus era practising judaism? what was the religion of the dude by the river who was lame for 38 years?
what was the religion of Zacheus, the tax man who defrauded the people of their taxes and was repeatedly called a sinner?

2. why was there a huge distinction between the saducees, pharisees, scribes and the common people?. . . . .why was every one not just classified as either pharisee or saduccee?

3. attempting to pass ur assertions as factual is simply ridiculous.

Pastor AIO:

I take it you are asking whether it is in the bible that the samaritans are considered descendants of abraham and not whether there is only one temple and several synagogues, or whether samaritans had their own mode of worship which was centered on mt. gerizim.

its quite obvious that they are the descendants of Abraham. . I was not asking u that. . . . .rather I was asking for biblical injunctions that support the following assertions u made. . .

1. That the samaritans had a different mode of worship

2. The samaritans did not want to worship in the temple of the jews

3. that the samaritans were circumcised? . . ,   , dont come with the excuse that they are circumcised cos they are the descendants of Abraham.

Chrisbenogor:
And you think you are not as moraaly bankrupt as the fulani herdsmen?

if according to u self-defence constitutes moral bankruptcy . . . . , dont u think u need urgent re-education ASAP?

Pastor AIO:
I never said that converting a person to judaism is simple. I don't know where you got that idea from. Getting circumcised is not easy either, but people did it. For example, the city that Jacob's daughter married into for a short while. It wasn't even just the guy that wanted to marry her, it was the entire city that did it. So you've only compromised your own point by bringing that up.
In fact I don't understand your reasoning in bring that up at all. They were then slaughtered later but that does not change the fact that they were willing to undergo circumcision. BEsides many tribes in africa undergo circumcision in adulthood as a rite of passage. The horror or acceptablility of it is mostly cultural.

I brought it up to simply illustrate the fact that people tend to learn from history and will not repeat the foolish mistakes of Jacob's in-laws.
There is no biblical assertion that suggests that Jews ever tried to convert non-Jews to judaism. . . . unless and until u establish biblical notions which state so. . . . . .

I would like to draw your attention to Ruth the grandmother of King DAvid who was a convert to judaism and whose descendant went on to beome their king.

ur assertions here are very wrong and aimed at simply stretching this argument . . . . . .ruth married into a jewish family. she was NOT converted into judaism by evangelism. . . . .custom expects that she follows the tradition of her husband.

If the verse in Isaiah where yahwe talks about bringing his salvation to the ends of the earth is not seen to support my assertion then I don't know what more |I can say to make the point.

how does making them a light to nations imply that they were recruiting people for judaism?

THere is probably no point for me to show you verses talking about all the nations of the world coming to worship in mount zion. PErhaps you should just take time out and make a study of JEwish history.

1. Nations coming to worship at mount zion does NOT imply people accepting judaism.

2. how do u dismiss the xtian beliefs that prophetic mount zion refers to saved believers and not those who practise judaism?

3. the study of jewish history will be helpful, but u dismiss the notion for sentiments in such history. . .I had rather stick to the bible.

Pastor AIO:
?? Are you saying that the jewish population explosion was a miracle?

yes . . , do u have a contrary analogy?

Pastor AIO:
I'm having difficulty understanding you still. I'm sure that you are aware that the synagogues and the Temple (of which there was only one) are different.

It's not a matter of 'allowing' samaritans to worship in synagogues. Samaritans had their own mode of worship. Samaritans did not want to worship in the temple. They believed that the proper place to worship Yahweh was on mount gerizim.

AND . . . the samaritans were circumcised too. They considered themselves descendents of Abraham and Jacob too and the covenant sealed by circumcision was made with Abraham their ancestor.

Anyway I am not interested in the particulars of who was allowed in the temple or not, I am talking about Jewish missionaries converting people to Judaism. You seem to be going on about some long story story stuff that is not pertinent to the point that I am making.

is there anywhere in the bible ur assertions are supported?. . . . are the samaritans the same as the edomites?

my lofly switD . . . .how af u been? missed u a lot

Chrisbenogor:
Killing of women and children sir! does war justify that now?

should they be excused even if they are participants?. . . . . .would they not be future avengers?

get off my line NOW

@ OP

its rather uninteresting that the OP and other atheists try to make sense of the ridiculous OP all in an effort to antagonise xtianity. The fundamental issue remains whether or not moses was in the same shoes as the people of Jos? was moses fighting a war? . . .were the boys in question war captives or not?. . . , how does this relate to jos? . . is jos in a state of war? . . which parties in jos have declared war on each other?

The ridiculous state at which some folks go to show their folly is fast becoming disgusting. . . . .what EXACTLY is the similarity between the OP and the jos crisis?

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tomato seller

yes . . . infact the date is fixed for her beer parlour

unnecessarily naughty

hug and pat on the back

shez pweety

hug and kiss

gentle slap

lofly yes

how was ur day?