₦airaland Forum

genieluv:
Daaay, u sound really pissed off. I'm sorry if i had said something wrong.
I have gotten the point. I never knew that most of the whites n Indians were equally kenyan citizens.

****Buh you called me young lady? Hoo, how old are you? Are you up to 40 years old? It'd be important if i had an idea so maybe i don't overstep my boundaries by thinking am conversing with an age mate****

I cant believe you are apologizing to these lying n shameless Kenyans like Taysermahiri.

Can't u see how he got angry over the truth? The truth really hurts that whites n Indians are having a field day dominating Kenyan economy.

Meet the richest man in Kenya! Namaste!

TayserMahiri:
Maybe he's a nigerian who relocated to Ghana. The skin is the same, just a little tamed
But seriously, Ghana may not have bad living standards but we have better amenities and infrastructure. I once saw Accra and its quite uninspiring on a global scale. No disrespect to the Ghanaians

This is a lie.
Ghana is better than Kenya pls.
Ghana does not have massive slums unlike Kenya.

Kenyans are as dark as Ghanaians the last time i checked!

NairobiWalker:
Eko Atlantic City - your biggest project, is being done by the Lebanese. Were it in Kenya your brothers wouldn't shut their mouths on how much foreigners own us. The only difference between Kenya and Nigeria in this case is that Kenya is a country where non Kenyans people can actually choose to stay.

U r such an ignorant n cheaply misinformed person.
Abuja centennary city is also being built. It is more expensive and larger than Eko atlantic and it is 100% by Nigerian private developers!

Check it out!

You can imagine how much these little vermin Kenyans n Ghanaians are having a field day insulting Nigerians here.
I am back n fully ready 4u bitchees!

PissedYagami:
Bet you didn't know we have a better Metal scene than Nigeria and Tanzania. I am 100% positive you dont know what metal is. Music depends with preferences. Kenyans generally love foreign music then local music.

And how much has this so called foreign metal music generated for Kenya? List their songs here let us check the views of these songs on youtube and the net worth of these metalic kenyan singers!

Metalic singers ko, plastic singers ni

genieluv:
Jeeee. great. **M happy that your govnmt is working on the fashion industry. Even we in Nigeria are working on our textile productions too. A lot of importation is also killing our local textile industries

Yaah true, Nigeria has an advantage in entertainment with the large market, buh i still believe progress can be made without a large market as such, or don't you think? There was a time when Ghanaian movies and even musics beat Nigerian productions in quality and heavily penetrated our markets.
Congo once dominated the entire Africa with their music due to the quality.
Tanzanian musics seem to be doing pretty well, i am amazed from the quality of music videos n songs i watch from Tanzania n i heard that they have heavily penetrated the Kenyan market.
Africans have similar cultures n values and we will always patronize ourselves if we have value to offer to our products, dontcha think?

There is a large swahili speaking population n market, won't Tanzanians, Ugandans n other swahili speakers patronize Kenyan swahili movies if they are of world class quality?

Even now, you won't believe how Ghanaian movie producers are giving Nigerian producers a hot chase in terms of movie quality, (Although Ghana n Nigeria works together a lot in movie production, so their movies easily gain the patronization of the Nigerian market), what stops a collabo btw East African actors, producers, directors n co? You musn't have a united union to do such. Nigeria n Ghana share no boundary, buh our movie industry is almost intertwined.

See a Ghana movie below, there r many more of high quality like this. Some of the actors are Nigerians (the light-skinned guy at the centre and the dark-skinned guy on the left)

TayserMahiri's excuse of a large Nigerian market is just one excuse Kenyans use to excuse their poor entertainment industry.
Ghanaians produce movies with as much quality as the best movies in Nigeria. Tanzanians produce musicians and music videos with as much quality as the best in Nigeria, only that of course, Nigeria will always outnumber them in volumes.

Seems like you are a fan of Tanzanian music? I am also a very big fan too. Right now, after Nigeria and South Africa, Tanzanians have the best musicians and music videos in Africa. Infact i even think Tanzanians are better than the South Africans.

Did you follow the last Mtv music awards (both Africa and Europe)? Imagine that Tanzanian Alikiba won Nigerian wizkid to best African artiste. Even though wizkid was announced the winner in the original award show, the mistake was corrected later and the award revoked from Wizkid and given to Alikiba.
In the female category, Tanzanian Vanessa mdee was also among head to head in the nominations against Nigerian Yemi alde and Tiwa savage.
Tanzanian Diamond platnumz was also among the nominees for best African artiste of the year.
In the whole awards, only Sauti sol was represented for Kenya and cool they managed to win the award for the best collabo (which featured Alikiba).

I love and admire Tanzanian artistes with a passion and i have at least a dozen of their musics on my playlist.

Check out this new Tanzanian music by Taygrin and Vanessa mdee. So cool, you can never see a video/music of such quality and style from Kenya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8qhbfeaRMY

genieluv:
Oooh myyy! Nooo!
~~I have once seen a report where a black foreigner claimed that the number n influence of Indians n whites in Nairobi,Kenya is too much for a typical black african country buh i never thot it was that much~~.

TayserMahiri, muafrika2, PissedYagami, MtuMsuper
Is this really true?
I'm sorry if i sound so much of a critic or racist, i am not against foreigners in any way. I love em buh i don't like the idea of foreigners dominating or having so much influence in African cities. Nuuh i don't. Why should they?

Yes genie, that guy is very very correct. The influence and economic domination of Indians and whites in Kenya is unprecedented. It's almost as if the colonial masters never left Kenya.
If you doubt me, pls check out the 3 richest people in Kenya and see that they are all Indians. Seriously, it's so sad

I sometimes tune in to Maisha magic east (the Kenyan movie channel of Africa magic on DStv) to check out Kenyans. I came across one of their movie series featuring a rich, young, arrogant and loud Indian lady and she had black Kenyans as her house servants who she was always yelling at in the movie. Now, don't you think such a movie would have been produced by an Indian?
I find that to be very insulting to Black Africans. I mean, would you ever watch a movie produced in India featuring a black or even white person with Indian house servants? It annoyed and pissed me off a lot.

I tell you, the day i saw that Indians were the 3 richest Kenyans, i stopped taking Black Kenyans seriously.

genieluv:
Oh I like Kansime. She is funny .
Many Nigerians think she is Kenyan. Actually, most Nigerians may not be able to tell East africans apart, except the horners.
I also think or see Kenyans n Ugandans to have the same or similar accents.

You are 100% correct. I myself thought Kansime was Kenyan She looks so much like a Kenyan

Whether Kenyans like it or not, Kansime is the ambassador of East african accent (especially for Kenya and Uganda). LoL
Muafrika2, cocomilian, TayserMahiri and MtuMsuper, you guys should stop denying your sister
Afterall there was a time when Kenyans here were claiming to love and share more similarites with Ugandans than Tanzanians. Why the sudden denial?

genieluv:
Coool, i admire the artistic designs of these Ghanaian caskets. I've watched a documentary on their making, buh i don't know why i find it really absurd n ridiculous.

~~What's really the rationale behind it? I can't imagine burying my mother in a coke bottle when she ages n die.

Yes, me too, i also find it very absurd and pointless.

9jakool:
Of course, they expanded like many other ethnic groups, but I don't think it's from Congo. There is no evidence to support that. Check my explanation to understand better.

I have a series of unrelated questions. Do you think the Tivs would rather align with Hausa, prefer living under the Arewa/one North banner, would join the South or prefer a different region of their own?

Since we have clarified the first part of your paragraph.

Yeah any questions are welcomed.

There is no way any reasonable Tiv man or woman would prefer to allign with Hausas in the name of one arewa. Have you forgotten the first Tiv riots in the 60s against northern rule? They protested and rioted against being in the northern region.

Have you also forgotten about late Maj Gideon Orkar, the Tiv man who wanted to carry out a coup in order to cut off Hausa-fulanis and other core-northerners from Nigeria and merge them with Niger republic? The man has such a strong passion for the unity of the middlebelt and southern Nigerian peoples. Unfortunately he died before he could carry out that coup.

I strongly believe that there should be some underlying reasons behind this question of yours. So, if you can higlight some of these reasons, i could give you better explanations.

genieluv:
Cc MtuMsuper, nowenuse, muafrika2

I love your explanations 9jakool buh please can you try to put some summariness? Thanks.

First of all, in response to your second paragraph or first point, i'd like you to know that a good number of ethnic groups in Cross river north n maybe central do share Kwararafa origins e.g the Yalas, yaches, bekwarras, obubra n obanliku e.t.c.
There was a time a few years ago that traditional rulers from Cross river and other states of Nigeria went to Wukari to meet the Aku-Uka n confer their rightful ancestry to his kingdom.
Check the link below to confirm, the 2nd paragraph of the 1st page.

http://www.academia.edu/7007449/Origin_of_Kwararafa_Kingdom


Before i throw in a few explanations about the Tivs, i'd like you to read this link very well.

http://naijasky.com/benue-state/19/history-of-tiv-people/9455/

After reading this link, i don't think we need much explanations or arguments again to understand where you and i are missing it.

I was missing the fact that even though Tivs came from Congo, they did not come to Benue region of Nigeria immediately, they settled at the swem hills in present day Cameroon until it became overpopulated for them before they came to Benue, Central Nigeria and displaced we the kwararafan tribes.
You are missing the fact that they possibly came from somewhere before arriving the swem hills (in present day Cameroon).

Another point we are having a misunderstanding is the issue of Tiv expansion and their expansionist nature.
It's unfortunate that you don't understand my explanation of Tiv expansion, that was why you were comparing Tiv expansion to Igala, Nupe, Edo or Yoruba expansion.
Hope you know that there are over a million Tivs in Nasarawa n Taraba states? Buh the Tivs in these states are not regarded or recognized as Indigenes by the other ethnic grouops in these states because these people all knew when the Tivs arrived.
We in Benue don't have such audacity because the Tivs are the majority here and their settlements in Benue are definitely older than those in neighbouring Nasarawa n Taraba states.
Tivs are/used to be the kind of people who will come to your community in peace looking for farmlands and once you have given them it is finished, they have the highest birth rate of any tribe in Nigeria or even Africa and multiply so fast. Within a short time they have already outnumbered you in your community and before your people can say jack, they have already had more settlements surrounding your community and if you try to fight them, you are most likely to loose the fight due to their large numbers. This was how they displaced most Kwararafan tribes and are still displacing us till date (only that civilization n education has reduced it to an extent).

This is the reason why you find Benue river Jukun n Etulo (Idoma speaking tribe) communities in the heart of Tiv land in Benue state, completely enclaved by Tiv communities. During the height of Tiv expansion when they displaced Kwararafan tribes, some like the Etulo n River Benue jukuns (who are mostly fisher people) and probably thought they could not do without the River Benue stayed behind, and this was how they were enclaved and cut off away from their linguistic sibblings. Today, most of them have adopted Tiv language, culture n identity and it's just a matter of few decades for them to be completely Tiv-ized.


If you want to study the history of a tribe, especially through the oral means. Another good way you can do it is by asking the neighbouring tribes of that ethnic group to give you some oral accounts about their neighbours.
I will try to find some online documents featuring oral accounts from Idomas, Jukuns, Agatus, Igedes, Alagos and all other ethnic groups neighbouring the Tivs.
Buh being from this area, i have had first hand oral history info from my own tribe and other neighbouring Kwararafan tribes on the Tivs and it is exactly the same story from every quarters about the Tivs being expansionists who came to their lands not too long ago.
If you want to confirm this, pls feel free to befriend any person from an ethnic group of Kwararafan descent in Taraba, Benue, Nasarawa or Cross river state.
Thanks.

***It's unfortunate i accused your post of being too lengthy, while mine is no different . I apologize****

@9jakool.
I fully agree with genieluv's point.

Most tivs already support the school of thought that their people are of Bantu origins. You can ask those of them you come across who have a good knowledge of their history.

Tiv expansion is truly real. In those days and even till now to an extent. The average Tiv man used to have numerous wives, many up to 5- 10 wives. And each woman may likely have not less than 15 children .
Also, as we all know, Tivs used to entertain their visitors with their own wives . Visit a Tiv man in those days or even probably till date and you have a chance to select which of his wives you want to accompany you for the night

Tivs are the most recent immigrants to the middlebelt region of Nigeria but they have the largest population. They are also very homogenous linguistically and culturally, to show you that they are recent immigrants.

You should not compare the expansionist style and patterns of the Tivs to any other tribe in Nigeria because it is truly unique and exactly similar to those of the Bantus.

I am also from the Benue-Congo groups like the Tivs and i have experienced a lot of cultural similarities between my own people and some Bantu groups which is very much uncommon with other ethnic groups in Nigeria.
I was thrilled when i started watching some cultural music videos from Uganda and i observed some strong similarities in cultural attires between these Ugandan ethnic groups and most Benue-congo peoples. I would try to share these similarities here.

If people are classified as Bantoid, then they definitely have connections with the Bantus, just like the Igalas and Itsekiris classified as Yoruboid, or some groups classified as Igboid, Jukunoid, Edoid or Idomoid.

shervydman:
how much is Kenyan tourism sector worth and how much do they generate yearly?

I think Kenyan tourism sector is growing fast too....

I have asked Kenyans this question times without number, but they always go dumb. They don't know or are too ashamed of the sector's worth.
Both Nigerian entertainment and fashion industries are worth estimated above $10 billion each, and these sectors grow faster coupled with the fact that we have the large markets for them and not too many competitors on the continent in these sectors.

Kenya's tourism have many competitors on the continent.
It's more expensive to build luxury resorts and maintain them compared to singing, acting or tailoring wears, don't you think?

Take this Wedding party movie for instance, the budget of the whole movie was #60 million but do you know that this movie made about #500 million within only weeks in the blockbusters/cinemas? Not to talk of the sales, sponsors e.t.c. ....

genieluv:
Cooool. This is lovely

>>>>I think Kenyans need to lecture Nigerians about maintaining a beautiful environment.
I think it's a shame to we Nigerians that we claim to be civilized, fashionable and trendy yet we completely lack a good aesthetic appeal. The kind of pics i am seeing here from Kenya, seriously we have only a few or do not have such places at all in Nigeria.

Pls you guys should continue posting pictures of the beautiful Kenyan resorts, parks, gardens e.t.c. Perhaps it will provoke a better aesthetic taste for Nigerians. I myself am already provoked by these pictures.

I know many of my fellow Nigerians may not be happy with this comment of mine but it's the truth. I know everywhere in Kenya may not be beautiful, clean or aesthetically appealing, buh the point is that, the places that are beautiful, exquisite and clean are almost of world standards.

My fellow Nigerians should not see it as if i am condemning Nigeria totally, no. Of course not, we have other sectors in which we have excelled the most in Africa. Buh i think we should give to caesar what belongs to caesar.
Kenyans have a far far higher aesthetic taste than Nigerians, infact i am tempted to say that they are more civilized than us. (i may be using the wrong expression though).

Chai genie, why why why?
It seems like a Kenyan guy has won your heart oo who is he?

You may have some points though, but i think it is a mutual thing. Ask yourself or ask your Kenyan friends, apart from a great tourism industry, what else can Kenya really offer better than Nigeria? Nothing.
Kenya also has some of the most terrible sights in Africa.
Of what use is a very beautiful neighbourhood with resorts, parks, garden and e.t.c when just beside it, there are huge slums everywhere with millions of people?

How much is their so called tourism sector worth or generating? Beautiful gardens are not enough to make an economic super power. .....It woud have been better if your Kenyan friends use all the money they spend in building luxury resorts in building industries and industrializing their country.
I am not against beauty or an aesthetically pleasing environment, but i think these are things that come in their own time. The oil curse had been the problem that crampled the minds of many Nigerians not to think into other sectors including tourism, but the curse is gradually fading.....
In a short time, a lot of things will fall in place.

9jakool:
Tiv did not evolve from Bantu languages or Proto-Bantu like the Bantu languages. Bantoid is a very vague and an uncertain language branch. It's also quite controversial.They are actually closer to other West African languages, but they show narrow features that are similar to Bantu. They are also not hybrid of West African languages and Bantu. Bantoid is a classification on its own. Tiv, Bantu languages, and lots of West African languages are all classified as Niger-Congo super family.

genieluv gave you a good explanation about the Tivs. I also agree with her.

Bantoid languages are under the Benue-Congo sub-group of the Niger-congo.
I don't see how that negates the Bantu origins of the Tivs, considering that the Bantus themselves migrated from that same Benue-congo region.

I think the Tivs obviously migrated eastwards to Benue axis of Nigeria from the Congo region at the time of the Bantu expansion.
As someone from the middlebelt too who has once shared the same state with the Tivs, it's true, most Kwararafan tribes neighbouring the Tivs describe the Tivs as expansionists and visitors to the Benue area. You don't know how much hatred many middlebelt tribes have for the Tivs until you visit Taraba, Benue and Southern Nasarawa. That Bantu expansionist blood runs in their veins and is part of their culture.

Jukuns and all Idomoid groups were neighbours before the Tivs came and cut them off. Infact the Agatus and Alagos (Idomoid groups) are still neighbours with Jukuns in Nasarawa state.

NairobiWalker:
There's a difference between the worth of an industry and its profit. You're comparing your fashion industry's worth with our tourism industry's profit. That's just absurd.

Our entertainment and fashion industries are definitely growing faster than your tourism industry. So what profit are you talking about?
Or should we compare the net incomes of these industries?

genieluv:
lol, yes, i hed (had) a ghenien frend end i teld hair (her) thet i leved (loved) hair accent

^^^^Ghanaians and their funny accent! Many Nigerians find it very fake buh it's amusing to me.

Hahaha you killed the Gheneien eccent!
Ghanaians aand there fake english !

genieluv:
Heeey Kenyan pals @mtis, taysermahiri, muafrika2, NairobiWalker & co.

***I think the problem we are having here is a simple misunderstanding. You guys seem to judge the quality of present day Nigerian movies with those of the past. Nuuuh nuuuh, mmm mmm.

Me thinks you guys should check out the modern and new Nigerian movies like these ones below and you'll really appreciate how far the Nigerian movie industry has gone. Check the castings and see many Hollywood actors featured, most of em movie profiles are avaliable on wikki.

Good job, i can see that you are educating these kenyans about their ignorance on the advancement of the Nigerian entertainment sector.
I am just very busy these days if not i'd have helped you out here.
It's such a shame that most of them are still stuck with the views of '2002 aki & paw-paw' movies!
Very outdated bunch.

It may surprise you to know that Nigerian entertainment industry is worth more than the whole Kenyan tourism industry which Kenyans are always posting pictures and bragging about.
If you think i am joking, ask them the net worth of their tourism industry and watch them go dumb.

And infact, not just the entertainment industry alone. Our fashion industry alone is definitely worth more than their tourism industry.
Kenyans do not have simple traditional attires, let alone develop an indigenous fashion industry. Ask them for these things if you doubt me.

I saw you cautioning them about mocking us, they won't stop, they enjoy the comparisons to make themselves feel better. You can only bruise their little ego and shut them up by challenging them equally as i told you.

Halin adalci da daraja bai dace masu samsam.
Ki huta lafiya, sai mun sake hadu gimbiya.

uzzyfire:
dude there's only one kenyan station on dstv and that's k24

Hahaha, yes na.
If you want to see the ugliest people in the world, tune to K24.

NairobiWalker:
Wikipedia is not UN kid.

That wikipedia page source was ITU (international telecommunication union) and it is a subsidiary body of the United nations.
Check it very well.

Am i the one to educate you how to use wikipedia? Don't you know that almost every article therein has a source which can be traced?

mtis:
even if ya wanna wish it away its there dude ..77% look at it

My source is from the United nations. Who knows your source?

mtis:
Thats list of countries by number of Internet users as of 2015.we are in 2017...

So, you are saying that in 2 years, over 30% of Kenyans automatically got connected to the internet? You can feed such lies to fools. Then, how come that of Nigeria, South Africa, Tunisia and others did not grow?

According to the united nations source

genieluv:
***u may have a point buh pls let's not be too harsh on our comments and words. When tones are high, we end up not learning from ourselves.
+++ lets promote African unity with this platform+++
Nagode.

Naji abinda kin fada sarauniya. Ama gaskiya wannan mutane suna bada haushi sosai.

TayserMahiri:
How far north are they?

Why don't you ask them by yourself?

NairobiWalker:
You can search Kenya's music on YouTube yourself. Search artists like Elani, Punit, Octopizzo, Khaligraph, Camp Mula, Jaguar, Kristoph, The Kansoul, E-Sir, Nameless etc. They're so many of them. To be honest you only beat us on magnitude. Quality nah. On movies Kenya has very few of them.....it actually takes time for Kenya to produce a movie unlike the Nigerians who roll out movies weekly but honestly speaking I tend to find Kenyan movies of better quality. Even our TV programs are better. By the way you've watched Shuga? I guess you have - yes, that was a Kenyan TV program before Nigerians took it and it started Lupita Nyong'o among others. I'm told it's doing big in Nigeria yet it was just another TV program here in Kenya.

These lowlife artistes?
How many of them win big on the united African awards or world awards?

Shuga is more of a South African program and dominated by South African actors. We have better program series to watch in Nigeria like Tinsel, Desperate housewives Africa e.t.c
Shuga probably left Kenya to South Africa and Nigerian audience because that's where the market probably is. Kenyans don't value entertainment just as Vicotoria Kimani rightly said

Hbuyosh:
Those are number of users, not the percentage......the rate of internet penetration. What is 47% of 180mln? That is population larger than the entire population of Kenya!
Nigeria ranks even ahead of the most developed countries in the world, in terms of the number of peoplw using the internet on the virtue of its huge population.

Look very well, the percentages are also by the side.

TayserMahiri:
The most extreme northerner here is a middlebelter Guy called Nowenuse, he has been looking for a more northerly buddy all this time but hasn't been successful

Can't you see how ignorant you are?
Adamskutty, Ishalbash and even genieluv are also northerners. You have no point abeg.

mtis:
please just go to imdb an check movies from africa an ya got a surprise..no anything from Nigeria...Out there Naija movies are just another Africa tales. people dont go to theaters to watch naija movies..here in Kenya truth be told naija movies are mostly consumed by maids .(sorry to say that) an no one pays for it..

Modern Nigerian movies are now being featured in toronto intl film festival and make millions of dollars from the blockbusters.
How many Kenyan movies have gone that far?

genieluv:
Hooo, not like being obsessed. Only wanted to see the social influence thas all. Social influence is part of development or wah'd u think?
*****Can't say nada about quality. I haven't really come across Kenyan entertainment except for Sauti sol's music. U can help me by referring me to help me from my ignorance. Tnks

Kenyans do not have any reasonable entertainment to offer, everyone knows that. And you are correct, they have no influence whatsoever outside East Africa.
Believe anything they feed you at your own peril.

TayserMahiri:
Guuy, now I understand how you guys have managed to keep extreme northerners outta NL

http://www.internetworldstats.com/africa.htm

They aren't even online haha

Thanks Hbuyosh !

My source is from ITU (a subsidiary of the United nations), so it is more credible than your source!

NairobiWalker:
Dude claims many Nigerians being on the internet is the reason why Nigerians are more civilized than Kenyans yet Kenya has a higher internet penetration than Nigeria. who told this people that Kenyans live in the jungle though? Some of the comments these guys who have never been out of their villages make are hilarious.

I have debunked this lie so many times with this wikipedia page whose source is from the ITU (a subsidiary of UN)
Kenya does not have a higher internet penetration than Nigeria.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

fanficgirl:
He's British but grew up heavily with Nigerians! He used to perform comedy shows in Naija

Ok i can see.

fanficgirl:
Was trying to find the comedy video where this guy mocked Nigerian men and how they avoid fights, but I couldn't find it
I substitute with this instead
He's so good wonder what happened to him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVX-iffP1Z4

rotf.
This guy is damn hillarious. He really tried for the accent!
Nigerians are unique i must say. Is he a british?

forgiveness:
What is presidential retreat all about?

EAC is programmed to accomodate 400,000 people.

Like what?

I think it is only 250k citizens that EAC was programmed for.