₦airaland Forum

obaaderemi:
Haba!You are wicked.The kenyan e-army will come for you for this.In your opinion,apart from the somalis,who are the others they worship who despise them in return?

Indians too.
Indians do not like Black people and they don't hide it.

TayserMahiri:
Whatever floats your boat dude. I thought you knew your Kind Nigerians are best known for being of that exact attitude. About worshipping, am sure thats to make you feel better. Somalis are just lucky to be in kenya as refugees, and we deport them like no business, just as we do to Nigerians who are here illegally.

Kenya deporting Nigerians or anyone, seriously what difference does it really make? It doesn't change the fact that millions of your people are still living in slums and are uncivilized?
Heck, even Chinese people are deported in Africa, but it doesn't change the fact that China is the most advanced developing and middle income country in the world.

kikuyu1:
Yes,also they're slimmer and sag less but ime are hornier and less complicated. Facially,they're less Semitic looking and more Kushite.

Seems like you have tasted them? . E be like say you na sharp guy o. I have only met them physically.

TayserMahiri:
Dude, how educated are you? You would know that such instant integration would spell doom for such people. Their bodies don't have the immunity for the kind of diseases you have ! If thats the case, then Nigeria has driven millions of the people they have discovered to extinction.

Also, pls take note. The uncivilized tribes usually discovered in Nigeria are not even up to 1 thousand people each. Just a handful dozens of people in small villages on very very high mountains.

TayserMahiri:
Dude, how educated are you? You would know that such instant integration would spell doom for such people. Their bodies don't have the immunity for the kind of diseases you have ! If thats the case, then Nigeria has driven millions of the people they have discovered to extinction.

It does not spell any doom for them pls.
We did not take them away from their mountains. We only tried to construct roads and paths to link them to the nearest administrative centre and encourage them them to western education.

See, Nigeria is a very big and diverse contry. I am from the north and that is why i am quite conversent on this topic. Many Southernerns here know nothing about this.

My own people are on the mountains too (Plateau) for instance and we started wearing western clothes and attending western schools from around 1930 (in the more open areas) while in the interior areas of my place, western education and clothings reached them around 1960. (You see the reason why many Southernerns are ahead of us).

In the Adamawa/Taraba axis of Nigeria, due to the vastness and difficulty of the terrain, western education and clothing reached many of them not until 1970- 1980. This is why we are still discovering uncivilized people in that axis till date. And note that, it is not as if those uncivilized people do not come down from the mountains and interract with their lower neighbours, they do. Just that, even their neighbours too are very much behind and unexposed.

So, our discovered uncivilized tribes are not lost tribes like those found in Brazillian rain forests. No.

obaaderemi:
Before becoming part of Ethiopia after the 2nd world war,they had belonged to other kingdoms which were not particularly Abyssinian for many years.They only became part of Ethiopia in 1945 or thereabout and it was never a rosy affair.

Can you or possibly Ednite enlighten more on this aspect?
Pls which kingdoms in particular did Eritereans belong to before joinning Ethiopia? Were the kingdoms 100% independent of Ethiopia? From what i read, i tot all of that region was under the rule of Menelik?

obaaderemi:
Then your research didn't extend to somalia and Algeria.

Pls, how can you juxtapose Algeria and Somalia?
Algeria is quite liberal.

Algeria, Tunisia and Morroco are some of the most liberal muslim countries in the world. I think this owes largely to their French colonial history of direct rule. They are very educated and do not follow sharia law. Majority of them speak French and English and almost half of their female population do not wear hijab. Infact hijab used to be banned in the past.

You should compare these countries with other liberal muslim countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Albania and Central Asian countries. North African muslims (Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria) are more liberal than core-northern Nigerian muslims.

LeSudAfricaine:
yes, people from the gutter hustling for scarce resources with illegal immigrants

Damn, indeed such a beast. Uncivilized animals still dancing nakedd in the 21st century. Petty xenophobic thieves.

TayserMahiri:
This part makes you sound dumb. Why would Somalis not succeed in any country? Sometimes I think am dealing with ignoramuses here.

Yes, i rather be dumb than to see people who insult, ridicule and despise my own people succeeding in my country. That's nonsense.
You must respect and deem your hosts highly before they accept you in return. Only people with low self esteem like you Kenyans still accept and worship people who despise you.

TayserMahiri:
First of all there are a few million Somalis who are indegenous to Kenya. Its hard to differentiate them from their cousins from Somalia but their command of swahili can tell. The kenyan ones know better because their region is the most impoverished in kenya, they actually feel sad for themselves when they visit other parts of kenya. No govt used to give a shyt about them since independence because they had tried to wage a war of independence soon after kenya became free.

Secondly, Somalis don't dominate business in Kenya. You have to be here to know that ! I thought I already told you that before. In kenya, Kikuyus dominate business so badly, it used to be a problem before 2007. A common joke is that you know you're in kenya when the car in front of you is driven by a kikuyu, your neighbour is a kikuyu, you pay rent to a kikuyu, the president is a kikuyu, all your life revolves a round a kikuyu somewhere. Gladly that is changing.

I know that Kikuyus dominate business in Kenya, but many Somalis and Indians also have some degree of business control in Kenya and that is my point.

It's a good thing that Kenyan somalis have been placed where they belong.

MtuMsuper:
i suppose its the same way many of you nigerians on this thread have this notion that all kenyans are maasais. They are one of the tribes of kenya, and i make no apologies for coming from a less photogenic people. I can regale you with tales of how many foreign visitors to kenya come with the poster image they saw on a tourist brochure ,only to meet an entirely different,modern and savvy everyday kenyan.It comes as a shock to them. I also observe the same thing with other Africans who live in our midst who come thinking the only peeps in kenya are maasai only to meet a country whose people are very progressive. In fact, am sure you as an african should understand that coming from a country with many ethnic nations as must our ethiopian neighbour.

You east Africans are the cause of all these!

Why do you guys still keep millions of your people in darkness and uncivilization with the hope of using them for tourism money?
We west Africans cannot try such nonsense. Over the years, some uncivilized ethnic groups have been discovered in Nigeria on the Adamawa and Bauchi mountains, but we Nigerians instantly integrate such people into the society once we find them. We take the gospel, clothes, education and government administration to them.

What do you East Africans really enjoy from keeping uncivilized people? It's very sad and annoying @Ednite

Ednite:
NB - we don't speak arabic. All we need to do is speak English and communicate with it. we needn't change our calendar or etc, it's our wealth (our history)

You guys will also have to work with the western calendar even though you want to retain yours. if not there is still no way you can still integrate with the world.

The arabs, Chinese, Indians, Japanese e.t.c stil have their own native calendars, but they also work with western calendars officially.

TayserMahiri:
I cannot differentiate them. They all look the same to me

Yes, they all look the same. However, one way to differentiate them is their skin tone.

Tigrinyas (both in Eriterea and Ethiopia) are usually lighter skinned than Amharas, while Amharas are usually lighter skinned than Somalis, Oromos, Tigres and others.
(i may be wrong though).
Google can help you in this though, google their people according to the way i listed them and you would observe the difference.

TayserMahiri:
Who cares, I don't give a shyyt about Somalis. They can't even manage their country despite being just one community !

But why do u Kenyans allow Somalis to come and succeed in your country and even dominate businesses while they look down on your own people?

Such nonsense cannot happen in Nigeria.

What about the Somali indigenes of Kenya? Do they also share the racist perspective against other Black Africans?

obaaderemi:
No,you are wrong.Ethiopia was occupied and the emperor had to go on exile.But even France was occupied in that war by German.To me and many more,the occupation of Ethiopia is not synonymous with colonization.Ethiopia and Liberia are the only African countries not colonized by Europe.And for centuries Eritreans have been distinct from Ethiopians.It has little or nothing to do with ww2.

Ok, thanks.
I may be wrong i think. But as for Eriterea, weren't they colonized ? Were they just occupied too?

On what basis do you feel Eritereans have always been different from Ethiopians? I tot Tigrinya people (the majority group of Eriterea) were always under Abyssinia? They never had a seperate kingdom, did they? Tigrinyas and Amharas have always been sibblings of same father under one kingdom.

Olu317:
My dear bro, the first carving of Ilorin to the Northern part in 1890s was what did the harm. How many referendum that was did which the Action group contested?, Do you know Otun Ekiti was almost carved to Northern part? All the census that was done was rejected by Yoruba because the British knew Yoruba was the torn in the flesh. Ilorin was a small town in the 18th century. And it remained until British rose Ilorin's Status after the divide and rule that was used between Northern Ireland and main Ireland. The same method has always been in place. Exactly, 1893, the Yoruba turned around to kill Momoh, who was Olu Ilorin because, he was supposed to collect tax from the indigene on behalf of the British. The Yoruba rebelled against Momoh, and he was burnt alive in his palace. That was the beginning of the problem of Yoruba until 1897,that British directly have to come in to subdue the place, when the Baloguns of Ilorin were giving British colonialist problem. And even, it was 1904, that Sokoto was subdued. The British colonialist find it hard to believe the story of Yoruba and the manner at which we had lived in the deepest part of the forest. Alaafin was not subdued neither Ooni, that was originally impossible to be seen openly. After the heavy civil war of kiriji that peace was initiated by prominent Yorubas missionary, the British had to come in a cunning way bring forth a treaty that was signed by the parties that were involved. Ijebu, Egba ,Ekiti, Ijesha/Ilesha,Igbomina,Akoko(Ondo),Kabba province ,covering Aworo etc fought for ILE IFE (Ooni) through OBOKUN, who called Fabunmi and the army later led by Ogedengbe Agbogungboro against IBADAN and Modakeke under OYO. How come do you now come up with a known falsified census which the British created to favour the Booth lickers? The evidence at the Nigeria Archive is there to see who and what heralded the treaty that was signed. And all the groups that participated and lost love ones were named according to the treaty. If the province you mentioned were under North, how come do we even have Oba at Jebba? Ilorin was a bloody small town in 18th century ,and it was a reference town because it was termed a Muslim enclave after Afonja was killed by Jamas, his own trained footsoldiers who had converted to Islam. Although few of them were Nupe mixed with elements of Fulanis. Ilorin met its Waterloo when it was defeated in 1839—1840. Ilorin had always being a Yoruba enclave irrespective of the fusion of Islamic knowledge and Yoruba tradition..Ilorin had no say over many towns 18th —19th century even till now . I know Adeyinka grandson because he is a pro Odua Republic. But some facts are worth verifying. why is that the Fulanis of Nigeria do not have a separate identity from Hausas?. Why can't there be different identity for these people? It was all in favour of the British because, once there is a chaos, the British imperialist will continue to milk Nigeria at ease. And the Small group of people aren't ready to let the system change. This is the situation we have found ourselves.

Wow, what an historical explosion.

I myself never believed that a referendum was really held for any Northern groups to join the south @Obaaderemi
The only one i know of is when Edo people requested for Auchi (which was formerly part of the north) to join the south. Then an exchange was made, and Igala people who were part of the South were interchanged for Auchi people and Igalas became part of the north.

The bottomline of all our arguments i think is the fact that the British messed up with us all and this is why Nigeria really needs to be restructured unless these issues will always be there.

TayserMahiri:
I think the geographical distance could be the matter for your case. East Africans see Ethiopians fully as AFricans. The only difference is that Ethiopia used to appear like an isolationist state,. More like the way south koreans see north korea but on a lesser scale

Yes i think.
We see Ethiopians as Africans. Just that many of them reject Black identity and always capitalize on their facial differences btw them and us. Although Ethiopians are better, their Somali, Sudanese and Eriterean neighbours are the ones giving them a bad image.

uzzyfire:
loooooollll Somalis and Sudanese are denying their black identities looooooooooollll are they not blacker than every oda Africans looolll d irony

This is why they try to whiten their skins to look more Arabic.
Their hair and other facial features differ from ours. So, many of them capitalize on these differences.

TayserMahiri:
Eff the Eritreans I dislike them. Egyptians cannot dare Ethiopia. Actually not many countries would want to try Ethiopia's battle hardened military. If the Egyptians helped the Eritreans in that war, Eff the also. WTF did they want to gain? Was it all about the Nile?

Of course. Egypt sees Ethiopia as a great regional threat! They want to reduce Ethiopia in bits.

fanficgirl:
Ethiopia was occupied by Italy the weakest European Nation for a few years until the British came and helpedout. Ethiopians need to stop with this not being colonized bs as the only reason they weren't occupied longer is because European Nations didn't see anything truly valuable with Ethiopia and Haile Salassie played European Nations against each other. The Ashanti of Government fought for way longer against the British before they succumbed

You have to correct yourself. I don't think Italy conquered the entire Ethiopia. They only conquered present day Eriteria (which used to be part of Ethiopia). This was the basis which Eriterea used for seccession, claiming that they had a different colonial history from Ethiopia.

fanficgirl:
Ethiopians are less racist than the others Its the Somalis that are the problem not Ethiopians

Yes you are correct. What about the Sudanese? Infact, those ones openly claim to be Arabs while they are black as you and i.
I think Christianity is the main reason why Ethiopians tend to be more open and less racist. If they had been dominantly muslims, i think the story would have been different.

TayserMahiri:
Ethiopian girls should be the main tourist attraction to your country

Ethiopian girls are fine, but have you seen Eriterean girls? Eriterean girls tend to be more beautiful, but they all look the same sha.

TayserMahiri:
Just kick the damn Eritreans into the Red Sea and get your port back. They will go to Yemen

Do you want Egypt to descend on Ethiopia?
Don'r you know Eritereans have the strong backing of the Egyptians? How possible do you think they would have won Ethiopia in the war of independence?

Maduawuchukwu:
OK. I have been researching on muslims in other African countries especially the muslim majority countries like Mali and I found out that Most African muslims are indeed liberal. It seems Northern Nigerian etremism is a peculiar case.

Most other West African muslims (Malians, Senegalese e.t c) are liberal because of the French direct rule system during colonialism where they (the muslims) were all forced to go to western schools and learn french culture.

The stupid british colonialists did nothing like that, instead, they used the indirect rule system of govt where only the Northern leaders and elites would go to western schools and report administratively to them. They (the british) ruled (us) through the emirates. This was why those demonic people tried to force we the independent middlebelt group under emirates. This was how most northern minority groups (even those who accepted christianity and were never conquered by Danfodio) found themselves under islamic rule till date.

If not that my own people in Plateau heavily protested against this (we used to be under Bauchi emirate). Southern Kaduna people were classified under Zaria emirate. Many of us protested and were granted independent chiefdoms while unfortunately for many in Adamawa, Taraba, Niger, Kebbi and Borno, they were left under the Emirates.
The British wanted the whole Northern pretocterate to be homogenously islamic and Hausa speaking (for administrative convenience). This was how Hausa language became a lingua franca in the whole north, but their islamic campaign did not succeed because the Missionaries were very stubborn and still went ahead to evangelize to many Northerners.

So, i hope you get the drift.

Maduawuchukwu:
Sometimes I imagine how the yoruba people would have been like today if Dan-fodios Jihad extended to there.Lol.

The yorubas wouldn't have been any much different than they are today, except the fact that they will be predominantly muslims.
Nupes and Busa were conquered by Danfodio (not through war though, but like Ilorin), but they are not really fanatic muslims like the Hausa-fulanis.

Infact the Nupes were jihadists too, because they were the warriors who conquered and islamized Auchi environs and also tried to conquer (islamize) Okuns, Gbagyis and Ebiras (but did not fully succeed).

Nupes, Busas, Bassas, Gbagyis, Gwandaras and other middlebelt muslims that were conquered by the Sultanate, yes, they may be more islamic than yoruba muslims, but they are still not fanatic muslims like Hausa-fulanis. You cannot find their people begging on the streets or their children doing Almajiri. They still see western education to be better or equal to islamic education. You can never hear of them attacking christians in their midst.

Ednite:
The thing you've raised here is realllly important, it's a talk worth to create a topic about. You guys not seeing us as a part of you is also a challange to us. But Norh Africans and Ethiopians are very different. North Africans isolated getting themselves closer to Arabs but Ethiopians isolated just being not part of Arabs. I think we were isolated because we rule ourselves by what we've created. Our own calendar, own time counting system, historical influence ( not being colonized) and most of all, a language we only use but not others. A language is a big door for communication, which we have lost to the rest of the world.

I have a question to ask to you and anyone in here

if you can't view us as Africans, ( which we are) then how do you view us?

It's a good thing that u Ethiopians have a very rich history. However, i think it's time you guys fully look to the future and what it brings and leave the past where it belongs.
Why won't you guys use the western calendar yet? Why won't you guys promote the learning of foreign languages in order to interract with the world yet? Although, i have seen little improvement over the years, but i think it's needs to be stronger.

Africa is one continent with different sub continents and classifications. We the other Subsaharan Africans have no right to deny you guys your African identity as well as the North Africans.
The issue here is that many of you reject Black identity and claim that you are not Black (especially the Somalis, Eritereans and Sudanese).
I think the major reason we feel you guys are not part of us is because of the social disconnect and the fact that many of you do look down on other Black Africans, nothing else.
Also, many of you speak Arabic (the Somalis, Sudanese and Eritereans) and have it as an official language. We see people who speak that language as more or less belonging to the middle-eastern identity.

Ednite:
yea, I hope too. I do like it when we be sociable you know, I don't mind speaking swahilli. Infact, I always ask myself how we didn't speak swahilli while the rest of East Africa does

I think you guys used to isolate yourselves from other East Africans.
Many Horn Africans do not see themselves as the same people with other East africans. If not for the political instability of Somalia, i doubt that Somalis would have ever thought of migrating and interracting with other non-horn Africans.

Infact sorry to say, i and many other SubSaharan Africans probably do not see you guys as part of us. You guys seem like you are in a world or continent of your own just like the North Africans.

Ednite:
we are now changing, we are opening up, but i don't think we will be speaking swahilli. Ethiopians can be sociable but they always try to keep thier culture the way it is including 'amharic'. But when did Egyptians ever start speaking amharic?

Of course. I know that Amharic is such a strong language and no way Swahili would ever penetrate Ethiopia.
I hope TayserMahiri has heard from you (an ethiopian) himself.

obaaderemi:
There was actually a referendum to make ilorin/kabba province part of the west in the 50s.I read about it long ago and had forgotten some of the details.But i had to search the net for this today and realized those parts remain a part of the north because the result of the ref. wasn't honored.you may open the link to know more.sorry for the mixup,my bad https://adeyinkagrandson.tumblr.com/post/87008578650/yoruba-self-rule

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Cos i cannot possibly believe that majority of them will vote to remain with the north.

It pains me seeing many southernerns falling for the prank of Hausa-fulanis projecting a big 19 northern states to intimidate the South and claim to be speaking for all the 19 northern states at the same time when they only speak for themselves.

I blame our own elders in the middlebelt for keeping too silent on these things.
For many years now, middlebelt leaders have been too silent. We the youths, i think it's time for us to take our destinies in our own hands.

TayserMahiri:
And how many have died?

Seems like you dont get it, do you?
Nigerians are starving because of an insurgency which forced them out of their homes.
There is no political instability in Kenya. Why then are your people starving?

iblawi:
My brother, Jonathan's failure was a capital FAILURE. Please don't compare him with OBJ.

Then i guess someone who could murder his own people and built almost nothing in a large country like Nigeria was a success?
Someone who allowed Sharia law to thrive in Nigeria?
They both had their good and bad sides.

uzzyfire:
I watched that YOLO movie and I was laughing chai !! they were speaking plain pidgin and adding some of their language. they were even using Nigerian exclamations like oya, na wa oo, chei ,aaahhh, abeg
I was like WTF !!! they were even using Nigerian swag .
and the worst part is that their accent does not even fit pidgin at alllllll, it was now like they were saying rubbish .

is that wat just30 was calling "Ghanaian pidgin" these guys shud just come up with something unique to ghana and stop trying to copy Nigeria all d time cos dey are really bad at it looooll

Ghana does not have a standard pidgin. Just30 has been busted long ago. They just do a cut, copy and paste of Naija pidgin, Ghanaian accent of English and their native Akan language.