₦airaland Forum

Leroy19:
It depends on geography.Different Kenyan tribes speak Swahili differently! This is Otile brown who lived most of his life along the Kenyan Coast! It is believed that those from the Coast 'speak it better' not necessarily know it better.Even this case applies in Tanzania.A person who lives in Dar Es Sallam would have a different accent with a person from upcountry Tanzania like Musoma! I'm personally from Mombasa Kenya and my accent is different from those living in upcountry.Londoners pronounce English words differently when compared to Mancs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stRxOFYcVTQ?t=4

Kenyanstar:
Your choice of Kenyan music is set in a dimension to portray the musicians in bad light....
Try listening to this songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsavKB43sG8
Nyota Ndogo
Ally B
Susumila- You should put emphasis on this particular artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCT2N-yW0c

I know Otile Brown. I actually mistook him for a Tanzanian in the first place.

Yes, I think I get your point. So, do most Tanzanian singers and even urban Tanzanians at large have that melodious swahili tone? Cos 99% of Tanzanian artistes and even Tanzanian personalities whom I've come across always had that tone.
Sometimes they sing like they are singing in Arabic or Hindi languages. I know that Kenya definitely has coastal Swahili Taraab singers, but that is not what I'm talking about here. Most contemporary urban Tanzanian musics always have that melodious tone.

Is this because Dar es salam where the largest population of urban Tanzanians are found is a coastal city hence most Tanzanians have that coastal melody?

Kamikazi, perhaps you can help us out here.

@Kenyanstar, I don't have a negative view of Kenyan music. Actually, I enjoy one or 2 Kenyan musics.

Just that 99% of Tanzanian musicians have that voice like Otile Brown and even a more beautiful melody and softly spoken swahili.

Just30:
like you said
Present day Togo

Ewe people in Ghana, Togo and Benin republic are the same people. It's not as if Togo is located in East Africa.
Remember, before colonialism and at the time Oyo empire ruled, there was nothing like Togo or Ghana, Ewe territory was Ewe territory.

Kenyanstar:
It is only a Swahili speaker who can discern the difference in pronunciation, accent and maybe speed of spoken words. But a Nigerian trying to be judgmental on a language he basically cant even grasp is just being annoying.
PRIMARY SWAHILI IS SPOKEN IN:
Kenya
Tanzania
Burundi
Zanzibar
SECONDARY SWAHILI SPEAKERS
Congo
Mozambique
Somalia
Uganda
Comoros
Zambia
Malawi
Madagascar
TERTIARY SPEAKERS
Somalia
South Sudan
Angola

Hey Mr, not everyone is so dumb! Some people are naturally very quick in noticing subtle differences, even when it may seem like they shouldn't be able to easily notice these differences.


Let me give you an example, many years ago when I was younger, I was watching an Indian movie with my siblings.
As usual, Bollywood movies are in Hindi/Urdu language.
In the same movie, the actors travelled to another part of India and all of a sudden, I noticed that the spoken language in the movie changed.
It was still an Indian language of course but I just knew that this was not the normal Hindi I was hearing from the beginning of the movie (even though we only followed the subtitles).
I told my siblings about , but they were like . They never noticed anything and never cared to notice anything. They just continued watching.

Due to my nature of inquisitiveness, I went online after the movie and that was when I learnt about the other different languages and demography of India. I always thought the entire India had a uniform Hindi language.

I later discovered that the actors of that movie actually travelled from North India to South India where the natives speak a Dravidian language and not an Indo-aryan language as most of North india does.

Now, this was about a decade ago. If I could notice the differences between Indian languages which are thousands of miles away from me and which I had no single idea of, be rest assured that the difference of spoken Swahili among east Africans should be a piece of cake to me many years later.

Kamikazi, the Tanzanian guy has confirmed this to me already.

Here are some Tanzanian musics below by a single artiste, you can listen to them and tell me if Kenyans sing that way.
I don't even want to even bring in the likes of Alikiba, Diamond, Vanessa, Rayvanny, Christian Bella, etc here

The second music almost sounded like an Indian music the way the guy was singing it.

The 3rd song was featuring Bahati (a Kenyan singer) and not matter how hard the Kenyan singer tried, he just couldn't get the unique Bongo flavour melody of Aslay (the Tanzanian singer), the difference was very clear.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz6kNwqQJ_Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoly5kqCnL8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSjiweGl4Sw

Just30:
i don't know about your fon people
According to the documented stories from the Ewes themselves, they list every single place they ever settled before coming to Ghana.
The internet should help you
If you know the right places to look or you can pay a visit to the African institute at the university of Ghana

You can read about the history of Oyo empire and see that the rulership of Oyo empire stretched into Ewe territory in present day Togo.

Just30:
i don't know about your fon people
According to the documented stories from the Ewes themselves, they list every single place they ever settled before coming to Ghana.
The internet should help you
If you know the right places to look or you can pay a visit to the African institute at the university of Ghana

Never make an assertion which you are not able to back up with proofs! Only lay uneducated people do that.

Fon people are not found in Nigeria, they are mostly found in Benin republic and they are cultural cousins to the Ewes who are also found in Benin republic. However, Ogu people who are also one of the Gbe peoples are found in Nigeria.

Read about the Gbe languages and people below of which the Ewes are the largest and enlighten yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gbe_languages

phase1:
It's too late for state and regional autonomy which can still be even reversed by a coup and a decree catapulting us back to ground 1. Outright seperation is the best.
A country where development for a certain people is not interpreted with jealousy by another group of people is ideal.

Nigeria is an unworkable entity full of divergent and most times opposing interests. Why should I an Easterner have to wait for the opinion of a non-easterner or even sometime an anti-easterner before a federal scale project can be executed in the East?

Why should a Lagosian have to wait for the opinion of one unprogressive man in Sokoto or Katsina before enjoying constant power in lagos?


Why must one region have to wait for another region before development can happen. Ahmadu bello asked Awolowo to 'slow down' rate of development in the south so the north can 'catch up'. It's still the same case today, will the Arewans ever catch up? How can they can catch up when their leaders up north depend massively on poverty and illiteracy in the north to maintain power?

Disintegration would never be an easy task. It will lead to wars. Black Africans are not yet civilized enough for a peaceful disintegration.
Even if we want to disintegrate, it would be better we go to regional autonomy for some time, then from there we could disintegrate. It would be less problematic. ...

Besides, all these our talk online will never change anything. Hausa fulanis are not interested in restructuring. Not until the entire South can unite with the middllebelt and speak with one voice, before we can force the Hausa fulanis to make any change.

Otherwise, we come here and argue daily and at the end of the day retire to our houses in our various Abuja government controlled states and wake up the next morning to argue again.

Ugosample:
Britain did not disintegrate o

Who told you that

Upbringing and mentality difference is not enough to scatter the country


The different states in America have different mentality
They are NOT the same


Utah na Mormon state

California na liberal/freestyle state

The deep south has more conservative people etc


Yet they are still together working it out


I believe eventually Nigeria will become a loose federation


But the old generation have to die first

That to a large extent is because of state autonomy in the US. Every state controls it rescources and makes its own independent laws over there.

State/ Regional autonomy would have made Nigeria workable to a great extent.

mtis:
I saw oba guy tell the deluded dude(kazikazi) he might travel to zanzibar one of these days.i was like get ya a** out of the village first
Man the forum brings every dream to life

TayserMahiri:
He thinks Zanzibari spices are drugs

Do you guys think most Nigerians live fake lives like you guys?
Nigerians are richer on average than Kenyans.

There are freaking 40 million middleclass Nigerians compared to Kenya's 5 million. Watch that huge difference.

Nigerians are not like Kenyans who were their best clothes for Tea and blanket parties in order to impress white foreigners, then at the end of the day retire to their shanty houses in Kibera or the concentration camp mass housings of Umoja.

That is not our lifestyle.

TayserMahiri:
Really? You dont have to act like a frustrated chic. Thats exactly how unattractive chics behave after hoping to catch the eye of a hunk dude but then he shows disinterest. Its not like its mandatory to meet you man/woman! I get ya beef but its not my fault I have that effect on people

Did you see that Uhuru Kenyatta actually responded to Boniface Mwangi's patriotic and genuine concern? I bet you did but you cant post here because the level of freedom and democracy in Kenya continues to shock you ten years later. A Kenyan can say that and the president actually shows concern and responds in a very kind manner on social media for all. In Tanzania the guy would be having his balls crashed right now by the govt. How dare you call the president a thief?? I suspect it would be the same in Naija as Tz.

Nigeria has a far greater freedom of speech than your country and you know that. You guys have even confirmed it here in the past, now your hypocrisy is making you go back on your words.

People publicly insult anyone in Nigeria and nothing happens most times..

Yobeezy:
Nigerians should also stop this cheap idiotism of forcing to compare themselves with other rapid developing nations in Africa by creating stupid country comparison threads.

We're also not at your class neither because you're too way above us most bad news in the continent.
Nigeria is an example of a shithole nation,if you remove oil from its economy,it will collapse..

Oil lost it's value by 70% 2 years ago. Yes, we went into recession, but we still came out of the recession in less than 20 months while the oil price remained the same.

That tells you we are not overtly dependent on oil as you claim.

Daejoyoung:
Then those are the poor not extremely poor. lf by definition, extremely poor means those who live below 360-500 naira daily, then in modern day Nigeria especially in these times, they would definitely also be amongst those who go to bed hungry, because 360 naira daily would hardly be enough for anything in a typical Nigerian town. So you and l are describing the poor Nigerians not extremely poor . Those struggling people l described in my previous post who earn 18000 naira monthly( and l was once in this category) are not extremely poor but just poor struggling people, but if you use the dollars, then they are extremely poor, but this is a contradiction because they are better off than many Ghanians who even live on 5 dollars daily, hope you get my point now?
Note 18000 naira monthly is about 500 naira ( 1.5 dollars) daily.
For your information, the minimum wage in Naija is 18000 naira, and some private school teachers earn about 15000 naira, it is fool hardy to break this monthly salary into a daily salary of 500 naira( 1.5 dollars) daily and then describe them as extremely poor, and even if you do this, their living conditions do not reflect the extremely poor, but just struggling or poor people.
A Western statistician would then take these statistics based on their monthly salaries alone and then convert these to daily salaries and then get bogus figures of 120 million extremely poor Nigerians, which is faulty because most Nigerians aside being employed may also be involved in other petty daily trades or what they call osusu contribution to make ends meet. Also the dollar is not the naira.

Another thing these western statisticians fail to take into consideration is that life in Nigeria is very cheap.

Life may not be very cheap in many parts of Southern Nigeria, but have you lived in Northern Nigeria? Life there is just embarrassingly cheap. With as little as $2, you can actually eat a balanced diet of breakfast, lunch and dinner. This is cos the society is heavily agrarian and food produced is usually more than enough for the population hence it is extremely cheap.

In fact, in most Nigerian rural areas, especially in the north, people never buy food with their money! Almost everything edible is locally produced/sourced.

The government doesn't just invest enough on education and infrastructure in these rural areas and that's why it looks like these people are really poor, but in the real sense they aren't!

This is why even though western statisticians wake up tomorrow and say 98% of Nigerians are living below the poverty line, you can never hear of starvation in Nigeria. It is unrealistic, unless in the case of political instability as we can see with Boko haram.

In fact I think urban poverty is somewhat more real cos it is easier for poorer people in urban areas to go to bed hungry than those in rural areas.

Cc TayserMahiri, kenyanstar, gallivant, kikuyu1, mtis

mtis:
Funny naijas dont know Tanzanians don like them...do you know its easier for a naija to survive in Kenya than in TZ...

Who are you to decide that?

gallivant:
3. Quit the tomfoolery! Do Australians speak sweeter English than New Zealanders? I encourage your will for knowledge but don't come off looking like an idiot in the process. Kiswahili is a standard language.There is no sweeter or bitter Swahili!

There is no tomfoolery here. Even your fellow Kenyans here have agreed with me in the past that Tanzanians have a sweeter melody of Swahili than Kenya.

Yes! English people for instance speak English language in a more rhythmic manner than Americans or Canadians. And some English dialects tend to be more rhythmic than others.

As a non swahili speaker who had access to East African music and drama for the first time, within some few months, I began to notice the clear differences between Kenyans, Tanzanians & Ugandans.
Play me a random east African music and I can easily tell which country that music comes from.
Rwandan, Burundian and Congolese swahili are the dialects and cultures I'm yet to be familiar with.

TayserMahiri:
Having few children is something that happens without control in much of the capitalistic developed world. In free democratic societies people choose to have few or no children at all. There is a general negative linear relationship between fertility and economic development. Even China was having a decline in fertility rates before they introduced the one child policy. Its estimated that without the intervention their population would have naturally peaked and subsequently declined around yr 2040. The only thing the one child policy did was to hasten the decline. Some estimates put it at some 400 million Chinese avoided so far (on the very upper limit). So they would be something like 1.8 billion Chinese today as opposed to the current 1.4. If you check the per capita difference that would make today, its not so massive as to have significantly affected their economic progress provided they stuck to their current economic policies. Especially considering China now is facing the unique problem of not fully maturing as an economy given its potential because they are likely to get too old before they get rich. The one child policy has created a unique 4-2-1 formation which means the one child is depended upon by sometimes 6 dependants (four granparents and the two parents) which is too heavy. Of course they are trying to reverse that ticking time bomb by relaxing the one child policy but the reality is that there is a 30 year gap they wont fix unless they import foreigners. Even more so considering that today's wealthier and healthier Chinese are not likely to want many babies just as in much of the developed world so they wont really execute the new baby freedoms like clock work. Unless the govt now begins forcing Chinese to have strictly more than one baby to fix the gap. The one child policy is actually one of the reasons their economy is slowing down. So it wasnt such a successful social experiment after all! It was too artificial and if you were to think of global economics as a race, then India will outlast China in that respect.

You are making a reasonable point here, but I don't understand why you'd say there wouldn't have been any substantial difference in the living standards of a country if it had an additional 30% (400 million people) of it's population.
It's just like saying Nigeria wouldn't have been any much different if we had 60 million less people or 60 million more people with our current economy.

Yes, I know that China is suffering from a shortage of young population in comparsion to the older and this is now slowing the growth of their economy. However, they have already made great progress with this policy that it will take India some great time to catch up.

It would be easier and better for China to maintain their current economic size than for India to catch up with China even in the next 2 decades.

Do you follow India's politics? This toxic rivalry of different democratic political parties might continue to affect Indian progress, but for China this is never a problem.

Kazikazi:
Yap.Nyerere he helped alot on our swahilization.he firstly used it as a unifying language for the blacks against colonial masters during the struggle of independence in the 50's.After gaining freedom he formed institutions and organs to promote and devoloping the languge..Bakita and Tataki was formed.In1962 swahili was introduced in parliament.in 1964 swahili was recognised as official language. 1965 it was introduced in primary school.Nyerere authored many swahili books e.g Ujamaa.My tribe?? No I cant disclose it here.Most Tanzanians speak fluent swahili than their tribal languages..and some of them including myself cant speak our tribal languages.Yes am positive.swahili it was instrumental on unifying our nation.we have zero tribalism.we dont vote our leaders by tribal lines.while our fellows fight each election because of ethnic divisions we dont.thank God..we didnt had funny leaders

Ok thanks for the enlightenment.

1) Apparently, the promotion of Swahili language as the official language and language of education in Tanzania made most Tanzanians lack fluency in English language compared to Kenyans and Ugandans. How true is this please?

2) I also read somewhere that there tend to be some religious divisions between muslims and christians in TZ, especially in Zanzibar where there are more conservative muslims. How true please?

3) How come Tanzanians speak and sing Swahili with a sweeter and more melodious flavour than Kenyans and Ugandans?

4) Is there any sort of friction between the Native Swahili people and other ethnic groups? Are there dialectal differences in the spoken swahili accross the country?

Thanks

TayserMahiri:
China was not socialist but communist. And if you are abreast with global matters you'd know China blends capitalism with communism. Their economic policies are capitalist but the politics is communist. China is where it is today purely because of CAPITALISM! Nothing short. If they kept to communism they would still be a third world shythole.

You are partly correct.

However, I disagree with you that China is where it is today purely because of Capitalism.
Communist politics contributed much to it. The mandatory 1 child only system helped China fight poverty to a large extent.
Such a law would have hardly passed in a free democratic society as different political parties will challenge the law and use it as a political rallying base.

Just30:
Ewes originated from the Chad areas
Akans have similar looks
there are some differences but a common traits ensue among all

What proofs do you have to show that Ewes originated from the Chad area?

The Chad area is ancestrally owned by Ethnic groups who speak Nilo-saharan and Chadic (Afro-Asiatic) languages.
How can Ewe people who speak a Kwa language of the Niger-congo stock have originated there?

What about the Fon and Aja people who are cousins of the Ewe? Did they also originate from the Chad area?

It's so sad. I also did my own registeration in Uvwie secretariat. Though it was a year ago. Then, it was free, but we had to pay about #500 to get quickly attended to. We still ended up spending about 6 hours there that day.

Kazikazi:
These are in proposed phase..thats why you have two different pics for the same project.In Tanzania we are constructing a 6.3 KM long bridge in Coco beach; Dar es salaam.It will be complete in 2021 that is before you

Hello Bro. I admire how you represent your country in good light. Keep it up.

There are questions I'd like to ask you about your country and I'd be happy if you can give me well elucidated replies. Thanks.
Please pardon me and correct me if I make any wrong assumptions.

The first question I want to ask you is about the 'Swahilinization' of Tanzania by Julius Nyerere.

What is your ethnic group?
Do most Tanzanians still speak their ethnic languages fluently or just swahili?
What are your feelings (both positive and negative) about the Swahilization of your country linguistically?

gallivant:
China is a capitalist state. Anybody with half a brain knows that, stop making silly comparisons.

You are very wrong! The fact that they incorporate aspects of Capitalism doesn't make them Capitalist.

Their constitution defines China as a non capitalist country.

OMANBALA1:
I dont mean to disappoint you but alot of black African women have this problem of worshipping white ddicks and alot of black men equally will lower their standards just to be with a white woman. The only group of blacks who are not caught up in the white ddick worship are Black American women.
Just recently, a Nigerian girl from Mbaise who never consider any Nigerian man that comes her way was caught in the office camera getting trucked ffucked by a married oyibo drug head. And this is supposedly a classy girl who doesn't mess with Nigerian men. She quit the job out of shame. Most black women are internally inferior.

Another one , a yoruba girl opened her mouth and told a hispanic guy she doesn't date Nigeria. She never greets me but the black American girl she works with also say hi to me. This yoruba girls openly and shamelessly flirts with this fat hispanic guy and to make it worse the guy told me she is not into black women...lol. The girl , however , was ready to just give it out for free to a fat and bloated hispanic! Black people in general hate themselves...lol

You are not dissapointing me in any way.
I do not dispute the fact that many other Africans also feel inferior before whites. Just that, that of Kenyans is being taken to another level.

A Kenyan here once said openly that they aspire to be like whites.
Corazon Kwamboka is a very sexy lady with some amount of fame in Kenya, heck Kenyans here have bragged about how sexy she is deemed compared to other Nigerian women.

Why would somebody like that make such a comment? A Nigerian girl of her standard will never be bold enough to make such a nasty comment publicly.

OMANBALA1:
China doesn't operate an ideal Socialist economy, so it wont make a good comparison. North Korea will be a better option. By the way, India is growing with intimidating strength.

North Korea is heavily communist.
Tanzanian socialism rigidity is closer to China than that of North Korea. It is even softer than that of China.
Please, use your analogies well!

India has a very long way to catch up with China and don't expect China to wait for them to catch up. The difference between both countries is still as bright as daylight and completely incomparable.

Just30:
they are not even Yoruba descendants
they have no relations to Yoruba people
just check their features and how they look and you will never make this comment ever.
They were never ruled by Ife
They have always ruled themselves
They briefly sort protection from ife against Ashanti invasion

https://www.theyoruba.com/2016/07/do-the-ewe-people-of-west-africa-really-have-yoruba-origins/amp/

Do not judge by looks. All yoruba people do not look alike, all Akan people do not look alike.

Read the link above. Ewe left the Aja and Fon people whom they share a common origin and cultures with and moved westwards to their present location! They originated in places that have been ruled by Oyo kingdom for centuries.

OMANBALA1:
lol...No ,man. I will never do such a thing. Moreover, one hispanic guy don already yansh am come dump am after impregnating her. Now, she is left with a child without a father. The thing that pissed me off the most is that it's a ffuccking hispanic...A dirty hispanic..come, on! All that juicy a.ss wasted on top a wet back.

Dirty Hispanic? Bro, that's highly racist!

Do not blame the Kenyan woman! The kenyan society has a culture of white skin worship, where everything with a white skin is being worship, admired and adored.

Be it a Caucasian, An Indian, An Arab, A fillipino or a Mexican. Kenyans care less as long as he/she has a light skin and curly/wavy hair

People like TayserMahiri and Kenyanstar can clearly attest to this fact.

You are feeling sad for that Kenyan lady, but she could be very very happy that a seemingly 'white skinned man' fucckkedd her and fathered her child, giving her a mixed race child.
She would brag about it to her friends back home in Kenya who would be jealous of her and deem her lucky.

I gave up on Kenyans when I saw this story online of a very sexy Kenyan lady claiming to be willing to be a slave to a white man!

Do Kenyans really have a brain or any iota of self esteem? rvp2018, jonraid.

Just30:
it is very easy to creat a digital channel and broadcast in Ghana
Ewes and Ga in Ghana are not Yoruba people
their language doesn't even have similarities with any yoruba language
They only transited through Nigeria

No matter how easy that could ever be in Nigeria, it cannot still happen.
Gosh, Witchcraft and diabolism is something people practice in hidden in Nigeria. They hardly bring it to the public let alone broadcasting on television.

Mind you, I never said that Ewe people are yorubas. I said they are yoruba descendants. They were ruled by Oyo kingdom in the past and share similarities with yorubas.
They have a distinct culture and language from yorubas but I've heard accounts of some of them claiming Ife ancestry. This would not be surprising, considering that they were ruled by Yorubas.
Their language is related to yoruba language as well as Fon and Aja.

rvp2018:
You're basically against everything including free movement of people & labour & trade. A small country like Rwanda do not fear kenyans - but here is biggest country in East Africa - in land size and population - being the MOST fearful and least ambitious. I mean I see now in Uganda you're trying to advertise Dar Port - but surely when your charge 500 dollars transit fee - who'll come there. You ran to SADC because you rather be South Africa biatches than Kenya..but EAC is still moving ahead..and btw Kenya & UG & Rwanda - we have arguably the most advanced union in Africa - with people moving freely without need of passport or work permit - and trade btw those countries is benefiting everyone. Look at Uganda - their milk & tea & sugar is finding easy market in Kenya - and they are industralizing without the dramas of TZs.

The only sectors working in TZ are 1) Mining - like Nigeria that the hand of god 2) Tourism - mainly from our insecurity due to Alshabab - outside those two sectors - you're very many years from getting to kenya.

You remain one of the most retrogressive country in East Africa and thankfully Ethiopia is turning the corner...and we will focus there..and entire Africa continent.

I am glad to hear about your winery - we have our own wine industry albeit smaller. But if you had embraced East Africa - your wine would be selling in Kenya - but as it is - nobody has heard of Dodoma wine - and yet Kenya consumer market for imported wine is second to Nigeria in SSA. See how your small mindness have dwarfed your growth.

Our own Yatta wines.
https://drinks-dvq6ncf.netdna-ssl.com//wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/COMPO_KWAL11-1024x5231-640x326.jpg

Stop deluding yourself. EAC will never be a force to be reckoned with in Africa without Tanzania.
Tanzania has the land mass, population and economy to make EAC two times more significant than it is right now.

Kenya and Kenyans actually have more to benefit with TZ being in that union than vice versa. If I was Tanzanian, I wouldn't also ever support something like the EAC, just as I do not support Nigeria joining the African free trade deal.

Kazikazi is very correct!

Kazikazi:
Yeees.We dont want that thing called a full blown federation.We dont want their thieving nature, their tribalism is too much to even consider associating with them.Thats why we refused to join the EAC common visa.Let them join Somalia or South Sudan not us.

Cc TayserMahiri, Kenyanstar, gallivant

Jay254:
You should ask your self who loves Nigerians let alone in Africa the whole world. Just mention Nigeria in any country and see how different you will be viewed.

I don't expect a person in Nigeria,S.A or even Egypt to hate a Tanzanian. They are the least travelled people in E.A,Rwanda gets more Remittance than Tz with an eighth of Tz population.

Tanzanian is like abeautiful wife with an Urgly heart. They are very kind and friendly but they lead in witchcraft and backbiting around here.

A Tanzanian will smile with you just to back bite you.

You must be kidding me.

Nigeria has the most followed entertainment power outside among other African countries.
Many Nigerians who travel to other Africans countries have attested to how fascinated other Africans sometimes tend to be at their presence.

Yes, many are jealous of us because we have this domineering and loud attitude, however it doesn't change the fact that many more are fascinated about us, thanks to our soft power

Here's a photo for you below. A Lesotho woman far away in Southern Africa being so fascinated by Nigerians to the extent that she went public on social media to advertise her availability to any willing Naija guy around

cc TayserMahiri,

OMANBALA1:
All these because of all these bitter fights with Kenyans?? I can understand your displeasure with the way these guys have attacked Nigeria but you dont have to make things up just to get at them. Kenya has a superior system of governance when compare with Tanzania...Goodness, I hate socialism!!

Of course ,for the most part Kenya is still as backward as Nigeria even more when you compare the challenges the two countries face. Kenya has good scenery that attracts tourism and sometimes people use such images to judge the general state of affairs in the country...False depiction

Yes, I hated socialism just like you.

However, juxtaposing the progress of Socialist China against that of Capitalist India over the years had me have a complete comeback in my thought system as regards this.

Do you think China would have been where they are today if they were not Socialist? Of course not, they would have probably been just like India.

Kenyanstar:
The culture of witch lynching is very true and it is associated to the Kuria community neighboring the Kisii tribe at the Kenya/Tanzania border. The reason why i told you Tanzanians are the capital of witchcraft in East Africa. The Kuria are a large subtribe that co exist between the Tanzanian border and are renowned witchcraft peddlers. This are a very unique witchcraft peddler type of individuals who poison children, relatives and strangers for purely materialistic things. Imagine a person injecting cyanide poison to banana trees, cabbages and general foodstuff to kill you slowly. That is worse than witchcraft, more of murder.
In Kenya we will kill you if you practice that kind of shit by trying to perform rituals on fellow human beings, that guy whom wanted to sale the Albino is lucky he was sentenced in Tanzania to serve jail time, in Kenya we would have burned that idiot to ashes. We dont do witchcraft or rituals. That is an outdated custom only befitted to Nigerians.

I do not care if the tribe in Kenya that burns people alive on accusation of witchcraft shares boundary with Tanzania, Somalia, Uganda, Mauritania or Nicaragua!

They are Kenyan citizens and that is the most important thing!

90% of human ritual killing cases in Nigeria is perpetrated by the Yoruba ethnic group. Yorubas spread into Benin republic and Togo which shares boundary with Ghana.
Infact, some ethnic groups in Ghana apparently are yoruba descendants like the Ewe!

When it comes to the open acceptance of witchcraft practices in the society, Nigerians are big time learners compared to Ghanaians.
In Ghana, witchcraft practices have access to Television airing! I was dumbstruck the day I saw a witch doctor advertising his business on a Ghanaian TV channel. I thought I was the only one who has seen that until I heard from my friends here that they have also seen it too. Nigerians who have lived in Ghana also attested to this.

However, at the end of the day, Yorubas are Nigerians and as a Nigerian, I must accept the shame that the yorubas bring upon us with this archaic practice.

Majority of Nigeria's best musicians are yorubas, they also bring pride to us in this aspect and I accept it as well!

You posted a picture of a human ritualist caught in Nigeria bounded by his hands and legs. He would surely be lynched by a mob if the security enforcement agencies do not quickly intervene.
What does this tell you? As prevalent as this practice is in Nigeria, it is not applauded by the masses. Can you show me a link where a Nigerian caught with human body parts was being applauded by the masses? No!

But in your own Kenya, many people stood and were watching and some even cheering when the poor elderly witchcraft accused citizens were burned alive!

Judge the difference if you have a brain !!

TayserMahiri:
You see? We dont spare witches in Kenya. In Nigeria the headchoppers continue to wreak havoc every day. Im sure there is a person who lost his head today just for having it and you probably know one who had his head cut off. In kenya, you will not find people who have ever heard of such cultic rituals. Being suspected of doing that in Kenya is enough for society to turn on you in the villages. It is rare to hear of such stories. The story you shared is possibly a decade old. Yea, that rare

Listen to yourself. You belong to the 15th century.

You don't spare witches. What proof do you have that someone is a witch before burning the person alive?

Someone who kills another human beign in the name of diabolism is a culprit and I won't be against someone like that being lynched (although in a civilized clime, that is still barbaric and unlawful, cos you have no rights to take another person's life irrespective of what they've done).

Those elderly people being burnt alive in your 15th century country may be falsely accused people.

Someone could be an African traditionalist by religion, do you burn such a person alive for practicing the religion of his ancestors without physically hurting someone or threatening someone?

Just listen to yourself. You sound like a pure illiterate.

Kenyanstar:
This is pure case of greed.... Using ignorance as an excuse will not replace the greed as the main reason why Nigerians will spend money to go and get an equivalent of what they will earn. The same thing was happening to Kenyan business men in South Sudan and the Kenyan government blocked Kenyans from going to that country. The same case goes to Gulf countries which have very weak labor laws to Africans. The Kenyan government closed those recruitment job agencies to alt the workforce that had been given expatriate jobs in those countries.
The Nigerian government is the main beneficiary of this multi million dollar scams which involves powerful politicians who earn top dollars from human trafficking, slavery and prostitution in Europe. Ask yourself why the Nigerian presidency has not put stringent measures on those involved on this scam.

Pure case of greed on whose part? The trafficker or the trafficked?
You cannot blame the trafficked cos most trafficked people were deceived! No one from a struggling background will reject the offer to a better life somewhere else. If these trafficked people had known what awaited them in the beyond, do you think they will go?

TayserMahiri:
If Nigerians have a spec of dignity, they would do something tangible to cure this stupidity. Its mind boggling.

Nigeria has a special federal agency created to fight human trafficking. Many culprits have been caught and punished, just that it still continues. There are numerous television and media adverts created to sensitize the masses, however it still persists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Agency_for_the_Prohibition_of_Trafficking_in_Persons

However, I won't deny the fact that some greed on the part of the trafficked also contributes to this. But deception is still the biggest and major factor here.

For instance the poorest families where I come from (central Nigeria) will hardly never accept an offer for a better life in Europe, because in their mentality, such offers seem too good to be true. Our people are not as materialistc as Southern Nigerians.
However, offer them something smalller which their minds can comprehend like a job in a rich city or neighbourhood within Nigeria and they will accept. Now, these traffickers can still come in this guise and still deceive these people with this, only for them to find themselves in Libya at the end of the day.

I knew a very beautiful teenage girl who was a victim from a poor home. She was very beautiful and had this good figure that befits a model. She was working as a waitress here in Delta state where she met someone who gave her an offer for a job to model for a new clothing line within Lagos. As a young naive 19 year old, she accepted the offer thinking a door has been opened to her to realize her dreams, only for her to be trafficked outside Nigeria at the end of the day.