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alBHAGDADI:
How did he get schooled on his own thread? Show us?

Yes, religion is part of the problem of this country, not Christianity. The Islamic religion is the religious problem we should be talking about, not pastors, whether fake or not, who build schools and companies that add to the economy.

Islam suppresses and breeds poverty. Look at the presidential election. Upon all the cries against Buhari, he still got millions of vote from his Muslim brothers,any of whom are wretched and illiterates. They use Islam to make underage girls get married and start giving birth to multiple children before time and dump the children on the streets to fend for themselves. These children known as almajiris grow up to become the tools their evil politician use in getting block votes. The foolish almajiris never realize they are being played because the wicked leaders use Islam to whip them in line and the cycle continues which is why we keep getting bad leaders who only embezzle instead of providing infrastructural development. Yet some freaks think Christianity is the problem.

To take away Islam is to take away almajiris which in turn results in sensible votes towards good leadership.

Lol. This guy just use opportunity to attack Buhari and Muslims sha. Hahahaha.
Now I don't know how to counter your argument. You said a lot of things I agree with. But that doesn't stop Christianity from being a problem too in Nigeria. Probably not as much as Islam though.
Let me just let it go so as not to diminish the point in your argument.

This thread actually ended up showing religion is a problem. Even the OP is so addled by his religious mind that he was unable to get the right data. He just posted the first evidence that confirmed his bias instead of doing his homework. Now he is being schooled on his own thread.
Religion handicaps the mind. This thread is the best evidence of the intellectual laziness of the religious mind.

Another trash that has been trashed a thousand times here.

Another fool.

U mean your fake pastor that predicted Buhari will die before election is now the real man of God?

Fool!!!

Fake bastards everywhere.

Fake nonsense.

LordReed:
Nostradamus? LMFAO!

As in eh. The boy is still learning.

Chidorx60:
pained because of dumb comments like yours, you guys are not even close to the sensible atheist on nairaland so I don't expect sense from you.

As I will always say, you can't prove these wrong, so shut up and take your retarded and brainless mind,back to your fellow hegoats in the romance section

Seriously, how old are u? U sound like a child. You are very quick to make assumptions and that is something very particular with adolescents who have little to no experience.

I am not an atheist. And yet I am able to recognise a failure of imagination when I see one. Your thread is not well thought out. All I see here is a child eager to display his assumed intelligence so quick that he is coming off as very dumb.

There is nothing in your OP that hasn't been addressed before here. You are obviously a learner. You registered in 2018 but me I have been here since 2014. Check my profile and see what section I have been active in all this while. I haven't ever made a post in the Romance section nor do I visit there. But in your case, your profile clearly indicates u frequent the romance section. You just labelled yourself a he-goat. LMAO.

It is obvious u aren't an intelligent person. The way u have owned yourself on this thread is a sign of a failure of your mental faculties. I feel sorry for u.

This little kid probably spent months mulling his topic after listening to soundbites from people smarter than him. Then he rushed here to what he thought will be glory. Even the topic he chose alone betrays his immaturity "mighty blows on the ribs of atheism". Hahahaha. This one still dey learn.

Take your own advice and go back to the Romance section, u little he-goat. The quality of discussions here are beyond your ken.

Chidorx60:
Words of an idiot following the band wagon,
You should have flown off instead of commenting this trash,

Disappointing indeed, just tell me were the flaws are, slowpoke.

Dude your thread is moronic. I know u are pained no one is taking u seriously. Learn how to write clearly and use your brain then maybe we will be willing to indulge u.

For now this is just nonsense akin to the puerile logic of a 5-year-old. Your stupidity isn't novel. We have trashed this trash a million times before. You are just the latest in a long line of sorry buffoons that think they have stumbled on irrefutable logic only to come here and fumble like a monkey.

Stupid disappointing thread.

cutesmilez:
Study your electoral laws well b4 writing bro..... Do your homework

Chai!!! Chineke.
Just look at Dunning-Kruger effect in full display. They are correcting u and u are still arguing. Stop shaming yourself lady.

It is 25% of (36 states + FCT). Stop perpetuating ignorance. You obviously do not have an inkling about how to interpret our electoral laws.

CAPSLOCKED:
MORONIC IS WHAT?

MAYBE YOU'VE NOT READ THE PART OF THE GOSPELS WHERE AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS, HUNDREDS OF DEAD AND DECOMPOSED PEOPLE CAME OUT OF THEIR GRAVES, STROLLED ALL THROUGH JERUSALEM.

MJBOLT:

too many but i will mention one.the story of samson

The Samson story is among one of the most moronic stories in the bible. Either Samson was an absolute buffoon or an absolute buffoon wrote that story. They just didn't think smarter people will later read that story.

eagleeye2:
So those that were jubilant about shoot at ballot snatchers order by PMB, are no so angry because the snatchers are APC? Common sense should have dictated that thuggery as well as foolishness resides in every tribe.

You are not making any sense. You were talking as if u were about truth and fairness before and I pointed it out just to show ur hypocrisy and now u have come out in the open. I am not Yoruba. And I am not APC. So u are just pointing fingers for nothing.
My point was that ur post that I responded to should have equally addressed Igbos gloating about a Yoruba being lynched as it addressed calls by Yorubas for attacks on Igbos.
That's why no tribe in Nigeria feels sorry for u guys. U guys always want to be treated justly by others but never attempt to address the wrong u guys mete to other people.
All u needed to do was to condemn the gloating of some Igbos about the guy being killed and being Yoruba. Instead u are looking for ways to justify it.
That's why Karma has never been friendly to u guys.

eagleeye2:
Where are those calling for the blood of the Igbo man, come and read and give your verdict. Does the Igbo man still deserve to be killed?

What about Igbos like alfaman3 that were gloating about killing a yorubaman on the first page? You guys should talk to yourselves. It seems u have a lot of morons among u that are hellbent on setting back the Igbo race and attracting hatred at every turn.
Guys like alfman3 probably don't have anything to their name and are just trying to rile up hatred against other Igbos they perceive are doing far better than them in Lagos.

udopee:
If the message in this post pained you, it means that it really hit it's target. Remember, truth is always bitter...SHALOM!!!

Just look at this mugu. U can't have sense again in this life. You were born to be dumb.
I just took a look at ur profile and saw your picture. Hahahaha. U look like a halfwit looking for validation. I just dey laugh. See her head like baby hippopotamus.

frank317:
Where u given any article of faith before u knew ur church doctrine? Throughout my years in my church, I never saw any article of faith but I knew what the watchman doctrine was. I know the JW doctrine and I have never seen their article of faith. This is what they preach.
I think u have just run our of what to say. I am still to take ur stand on pascal's wager, u didn't respond to my last response to ur comment on it. Stop this joke and get back to topic

Don't mind the guy. He has run out of points and ideas.
The Deeper Life articles of faith doesn't even mention fornication as a sin. Nor does it mention murder. According to that clown, Deeperlife do not believe both of those acts can lead anyone to hell since they are not in their articles of faith. LMAO

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shadeyinka:
Case established!
No evidence...but I should go and ask deep life members.

You insinuated: what deeper Iife believes was as per going to hell with nothing to substanciate!

Keep clowning yourself. I have established what I want to establish here. Hide ur head in the sand all u want. The mere fact u have to lie about Deeper Life and earrings just to help yourself shows my job is done here.

This clown was even asking me to quote Deeper Life articles of faith as if those doctrines explicitly state the sins or acts Deeper Life abhors. And because he knows he himself is a damned liar, he thinks everyone is a liar like him so I must be lying about my history with Deeper Life. Pathetic. Lol

Even current Deeper Life members will be shaking their head at ur dishonesty and the shame u are bringing to Christianity. Lol. Lying Christian.

shadeyinka:
Deeper lives doctrine should not be difficult for you to get since you were a former member. Just quote from the Articles of Faith of Deeper life and I will know your aren't a Lier!

I am not showing u jack. Any real deeper life member can attest to what I say I don't need to show any document to an artful dodger like u. Even your fellow Christians can't argue against this.
Everyone who comes to read this conversation now can easily tell what a liar u are. Lol. You have done my work here for me. Dishonest Christian.

shadeyinka:
I can see why it is difficult having an intelligent conversation with you!
...a lie is a comparison/analogy!
SMH



Please find a single document from deeper life that says this. If you cannot find one, we know who the lier is!

Lol. I was born and raised in Deeper life, u clown. I don't need a document to tell u what I grew up learning. There's even a Bible verse we use to support the argument then.

And, yes, an analogy is a lie if you deliberately leave out details of the real thing and oversimplify it in order to help your argument. If your analogy deliberately avoids majority of the variables in reality. Then it is no longer an analogy. Because it is in no way analogous. It becomes a fabrication. Which is what liars do.

Anyone still quoting Paschal's Wager as an analog to reality is a liar. You, my friend, are the biggest liar of them all.

Anas09:
This is becoming boring. Guy, the last time i checked every Christian sect believed that...
1. Jehovah is the Only One True God.

2. That Jesus is His Only begotten Son.

3. That the Holy Bible is His Word.

That Jehovah created the Heavens and Earth and put Adam and Eve in Eden.

That, Adam and Eve sinned and brought damnation.

That Jesus was born of a Virgin

That Jesus died and resurrected after three days.

That He ascended to Heaven and He is coming back.

So, name a Christian sect which holds an opposing view from this and i will tell you that it's not Christian.


Your analogy is like pouring water on the back of a duck.

So you believe that the denomination which forbids wearing ears serves a different God from the one which allows it? Have you ever heard of the word 'Doctrine?'. That is what it is, Doctrine. and doctrines do not determine New Birth (Regeneration in the Spirit). See how your analogy sags out?


You mean, 'Since YOU have no way of knowing the way to God?', because i do. Here itOne Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John:14:6

Pls speak for yourself. Don't group us together.

I have been ignoring u since and I still wanted to ignore u because u guys can be very dishonest. The mere fact that u want to group all Abrahamic religions together into one so as to suit ur narrative is funny enough.

But let me indulge u. For one last time. Since it seems u have left the discussion and purpose of my initial argument on this thread and u are just rambling instead.

This thread is about Pascal's Wager. Shadeyinka came in here and started lying like u Christians always do. He compared Pascal's Wager to a pot in the middle of the road with a supposedly deadly snake and the possibility of a reward if u don't stick ur hand in the pot.
That is where the initial Christian dishonesty started. In doing so, he has completely discarded opposing views among religions, discarded all the various sects in a religion and discarded all the commandments u have to keep. His argument was like saying believing in a god is enough to guarantee a good afterlife. He conveniently forgot the technicalities.
To be clear, in his analogy, the pot is not god. The person who is giving the reward is the god. If u don't understand this, why are u on this thread arguing.

In counter to his analogy, I gave another more accurate one. In mine, I actually put the reward inside the pot. Hence the pot contains 100kg of gold. Then I correctly pointed out the fact that most of these religions also claim that the other way will only lead to less than optimal outcomes. Hence the claim that other pots contain poisonous snakes. In my analogy, the pot is the defined way of getting the reward. That way can be one religion or a sect in one religion. It doesn't matter. As long as two sects in the same religion don't agree on the exact way to get the reward, those are 2 different pots.

Since Deeper life claims wearing earrings will lead u to hell, and Christ embassy doesn't mind, it means that following Christ embassy puts u at risk of hell if Deeper life turns out to be right. 2 different pots.
If u are still not getting it by now, I can't help u.

Pascal's Wager is about reward not about gods. The existence of the god is moot. But the reward is there. It tries to help u maximize that reward. But it oversimplifies by assuming just believing in a god is enough for the reward. Whereas there are many other factors to consider.

I am not even an atheist but the fact that u guys can't even bring a better argument than a dumb theory like Pascal's Wager is the reason why u keep losing the argument against atheists and skeptics. It is the reason u keep losing your fellow Christians to logic.

haladadon:
does that picture with the downy guy look as if she was sad?

how do you know what's best for her more than her parents.

There are so many things wrong with this statement that it is hard to imagine that the person making it is educated. U are assuming that parents always know what's best for their children. So those parents that deny their children in Akwa Ibom for being witches know what's best for them too, right? What about the parents that molest their children?

Sometimes it is better to think before making any statement in a public forum.

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Anas09:
Thanks for trying, but apart from the Grego-Roman Religion where Hades keeps souls down under his power, none other religion you mentioned believed in a supreme God and eternal Afterlife whether in Paradise or Fire.

And, do you also know that according to the Grego-Roman religion, a soul can escape from Hades back to earth?

No sir, these will not do. I need 500 religions which preach AfterLife of Paradise or Damnation in the Fire.

Specifically in the Fire.

The reason am saying this is, anytime you guys come up talking about God/religion, when we begin to present reasons from YHWH, you throw in these 500 religions hoping you are making sense. So, for once let's talk about what these 500 gods say about eternity.

And pls, group the Abrahamic religions together for now because they all believe in eternal life in Paradise if you obey and Fire if you don't.

These people and dishonest arguments. So we should group all Abrahamic religions together now, right? Later it is u that will still belligerently claim u don't serve the same god as Muslims do.

So u think your religion is the one with one of the most barbaric punitive measure and for that it deserves a special status in the comity of religions. LMAO. It doesn't. It is a joke to the rest of us the same way other religions are a joke to u.

As long as there are opposing views in Christianity, then Pascal's Wager cannot be analogous to one simple pot on the road. That is the whole point of my argument on this thread. Shadeyinka is trying to make it seem like it is just a simple case of believing in a god or not. But we know it is more like believing in one of many gods and then believing in the right version of that one true god and then keeping the commandments of that god to the letter. The probability of that is close to not believing in any god at all.

If u were born in Pakistan, u will probably be arguing for Islam and Mohammed with the same vehement close-mindedness u currently exhibit.

Anas09:
Except i'm wrong, but, isn't reincarnation meant to be a second chance to make amends for the wrongs done in the previous life?

We are told, it's impossible to attend godhood in one life time, so they keep coming to improve on themselves until they reach their godhood.

If i'm wrong, pls give me an elaborate explanation about reincarnation.

If you can, keep insults out.

Nope not all beliefs. Some believe that should u do evil or fail to live up to expectation, u will be reincarnated as something lesser than human. Like grass or something. There are different incarnation based beliefs.

Anas09:
Is this argument about the different Christian sects or about different distinct gods and what they promised in the Afterelife?

The different Christian sects are in certain ways different distinct gods because their criteria seem to differ. So my analogy holds.
If one person says God hates people wearing earnings and they will go to hell fire and another person says otherwise, since we have no way of knowing which way actually leads to God, we can classify them as 2 unverified gods who have distinct tastes.

Analogy holds. However u try to cut it.

F00028:
any logical Christian or Muslim should believe that you can't have two Captains on one ship.

it's an obviously simple argument: no institution, no household, not to speak of the vast universe containing multitudes of countless distant stars, can function smoothly and properly, if it has two masters.

I guess u never heard of partnerships in the universe u are from.

F00028:
you need to understand that in eastern languages like Hebrew and Arabic they have plurals of respect. so you'll find Us, We, Our etc yet still referring to a singularity.

besides, if there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides the One True God, there would have been confusion in both! -Quran 20:21

there can be only ONE !

Lies. Even the Jews were not monotheistic until the reformation of Josiah. That was around the same time the books of the bible was transcribed from oral tradition to written text. The only reason why Jews are monotheists today is because the monotheists won in the power struggle against the polytheists. The opposite happened in ancient Egypt. The word Elohim is said to be a plural form of deities.

Actually any logical Christian or Muslim should believe in many gods than one singular god. The probability that a god could exist out of nothing and just come into being is the strongest argument for other similar gods just existing out of nothing and coming into being without any explanation and having neither end nor beginning.

BuhBye:
Yes but sexuality is not one of them.

Oh but it is. It is u who have chosen to exclude sexuality out of that list. Some people struggle with pedophilia and incestuous thoughts and have to tone it down. So have a thing for married women. Others have even more grievous proclivities like necrophilia. I am sure u won't want some of those guys freely expressing themselves.

Of course they were involved in money laundering. That's what most of these pastors do with their churches. Some of them are fronts for politicians and drug barons.

There's no way this stuntman wasn't involved in such things.

shadeyinka:
I just gave a rebutal of the bolded.

Just 5 other names of these gods would do!

Nah. If we count the number of christian sects that do not agree with each other alone. That is probably up to that number. Before we even start adding the Muslim and Jewish ones. Before we start adding the non-christian karma-based religions.

You know u have lost the narrative when your argument is now based on the number of useless religions there is. Lol