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shadeyinka:
I was expecting you to give me names such as Ordin, Vishnu, Ogun, Amadioha etc.
All you have re-echoed that your problem is with the God of Abraham and no one else.

BTW reincarnation isn't a purnishment of not serving a particular God!

It is a punishment for not following a particular precept. You are just hairsplitting. My analogy is far more accurate than yours however you choose to look at it.

shadeyinka:
If I am not mistaking, I do not know any other God/gods who promise eternal damnation to humans for failing to obey and reverence Him other than the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Although an argument for another day, these three groups believe in ONE God (and sometimes they claim they are one and the same)

If you know any other God's who promise Hell fire for violating exclusive obeisance, let me know please!

Atheists do not ignore the pot. They actually dare to put their hands in it.

First, those 3 are not one and the same because they will burn u for different reasons.

Secondly, some other religions also advocate some form of punitive measure like reincarnation to something less than human and all.

Thirdly, u forget that even the Abrahamic religions u talked about have different sects under them who all claim to have revelation from the one true god and claim that the other sects are as good as roasted in eternal furnace.

So you were saying......?

shadeyinka:
Betting against the Pascal's Wager is the most stupid thing a rational man could do.

It is like:
A strange pot is found in the middle of the road and an inscription/ label beside it saying; "Keep hands off...Deadly Snake Within! ..."Obedience is rewarded with 100kg of gold!"

Now a crowd begins to garther. And some say, "poisonous snake in inside" while others say "it could be a prank!"

1. What happens if you believe a snake is inside and you obey? Reward 100kg of Gold become yours!
2. What happens if you are NOT convinced a snake is inside BUT you obey? Reward 100kg of Gold become yours!

NOW WHAT IF

1. What happens if you are NOT convinced a snake is inside AND you Put your hand in the Pot?
a. If you are correct! Reward Applause from Strangers
b. If you are wrong! Painful Death become yours

Now, the truth of the matter is that
I. No one saw any snake
ii. No one saw the writer of the note
iii. No Evidence what so ever that it isn't a prank

Why would any intelligent person wage his most precious possession (his life) for something of ZERO value?

I believe you understand why some people would rather want everyone to join them in putting their hands in the pot. Then, it would seem like a collective error rather than a proof of shallow and immature reasoning of one person.

Wrong and dishonest analogy.

In the appropriate analogy, it's not just one pot in the middle of the road. In the real sense, it is more like 500 pots are on the road. And each of them says "100kg of gold in here. Stick your hand in here and be rewarded. All other pots contain poisonous snakes". Then there are people who have never actually stuck their hands in any pot telling u to pick their favorite pot or risk being bitten by a snake. And some of those people actually have the same favorite pot but can't agree of the best way to stick a hand in it.

So it is understandable that some people just ignore the pots and their mad advocates and continue on their way.

udopee:
Common sense should have made you reason very well when I said "housemaids can be a blessing or a curse". There is no generalising there, just that your reasoning and comprehension are bias. Read, understand and comprehend the post before you display your low level of mentality towards the message... SHALOM!!!

Shut the hell up. You are the one lacking in common sense here. Most of those people that are house maids are only doing so because of lack of opportunities. House maids have long suffered at the hands of their paymasters. We are trying to reduce that. Now u come here with your low IQ and fish-like thinking and want to compound their problems.

U are probably one of the biggest morons on Nairaland. And I am sure u will blame all ur life failures on the house maid living with u. U are even a woman. Stupid nonsense.

If we check very well now, u probably have a house maid that u or ur mother is currently maltreating. And u want to come here and justify ur idiocy.

House maids are not the cause of your failure or senselessness. Grow some brain and stop perpetuating ignorant nonsense online. If u can't trust ur maid or treat them like a fellow human being then don't employ them or allow them to live with u. Mugu.

Nairaland Christians are idiots wallahi. Look at this one quoting bible while demonizing a group comprised of some of the most helpless people in the society. **spits**

Anfieldboss:
That's my fear, I want to be satisfied with my wife, I don't want to have cause to look at another woman when I'm married.

Unfortunately this is never going to happen. There's no woman attractive enough to keep u from looking or acting upon the desire the look arouses. Only you can stop yourself.

BuhBye:
People shouldn't have to tone down who they are in order to be loved/tolerated/accepted. Everyone is responsible for how they feel about the "lifestyle" of others. Tolerance/support is not a spectrum either you are against LGBT people or you support their fight for equality including the right to public show of affection whether you find it disgusting or not.

I respectfully disagree with that part. People usually have to tone down who they are in order to be loved and accepted. We do that everyday. And society cannot function well if everyone is permitted the expression of their personalities in the fullest sense.

We all have predilections that we constantly tone down for people to love and accept us.

BuhBye:
The contradiction of the tolerant/accepting homophobe .
"Tone down your homosexuality it's disgusting me".
The double standard here is mind blowing.
"It's cool to be gay but not too gay or people will have every right to discriminate against you"

Now u are talking like u have some sense in that head of yours. If u had pointed out the contradiction like this instead of the condescending tone u took initially, we could have had a conversation.

And, yes, those guys in thongs are too gay for me. I have said it and I will still say still say it again: I admit my homophobia is not rational. So I am well aware of the contradictions and I am honest enough to admit it.

Agrogbeide:
Atheist always trying to make sense by compounding "foolish reasons with insults." shake my head for you o bro. With your myopic vision and blurred mindset you see alot of people leaving Christianity but not the increase everyday which has made it the largest religion in the world and will remain like that in spite of the trials, temptations and persecutions from all angles. You need Jesus Christ.
If you have read that post you hurriedly quoted carefully you would have seen where I stated that you as an atheist should proved it yourself and not come under the guise of some medical or scientific facts.
Can you tell me how you have been able to justify the facts above on your OWN?

"OKAY" WILL BE MY NEXT REPLY WHEN YOU HAVE PROVEN TO BE A "FOOL" THAT YOU ARE AFTER QUOTING THIS WITHOUT ANY REASONABLE PROVE YOU HAVE CARRIED OUT ON YOUR OWN.
LOL

Sweet morón.
First u are the fool here because I am not an atheist. You claim to be a Christian that hears from God. But u couldn't hear that simple fact. Lol

Everyone who read this nonsense u just wrote will agreed u aren't very bright. See the kind of mistakes that call themselves Christians these days.

May he rest in peace.

If it was someone else or a gay person now, Christians will tell u how it happened because he didn't have Jesus in his life.

Depression is depression. It happens to everyone. Get help. Real help. And stay out of churches if u find they aren't helping u get well.

Agrogbeide:
This is the best answer I desperately want Christians to start giving the so called atheists. I don't take atheist serious because they eventually argue with the proves they desire even when it is shown to them.
Yes there are "seeming contradictions in the Bible only if you try and read it literally." The Bible itself says "the letter killeth" but if you read it with the help and comfort of the Holy Spirit "it giveth life."
I will start taking Atheist serious when anyone one of them can show;
1. Show me his or her mind,
2. Prove to me he or she stayed in the womb for 9 months and not some medical or speculated facts,
3. Can tell us how we can see the hydrogen and oxygen in the water we drink everyday,
4. Prove to me that the woman you call your mother is actually your "real mother."
Let me stop here Jare.
The church is marching on and the gate of hell shall not prevail.
Truth is Truth and False is False. Your belief does not change anything whether you choose to be a Christian or remain a Sinner, but gives you a proper and better understanding on a good foundation to stand upon.
Our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ is the TRUTH and you are free to quote and argue with your keypad.

This is why more people are leaving Christianity everyday. Your arguments are so daft that it is hard to believe someone like you exist because of intelligent design.

So u are comparing evidence for your version of god and religion to hydrogen and oxygen mixing together. Or whether babies are in the womb for 9 months? LMAO. Choi. Christianity is now synonymous to foolishness.

We know babies stay in the womb for 9 months because over the years that what babies do on the average. Lol. Silly Christian.

You can also see the hydrogen and oxygen in the water u drink everyday by breaking water down to its components using electrolysis or any other method. Lol. You obviously failed in secondary school. How many times did u do WAEC?

It didn't even take me 2 minutes to dismantle your dumb logic and u are supposed to serve the God of Daniel and Solomon o. Still u dont have a modicum of what can even be likened to wisdom. Shame on u.

CAPSLOCKED:

NOT MY FIGHT CHIEF BUT IF WE'RE GONNA CONDEMN PUBLIC DISPLAY OF AFFECTION, LET'S DO IT COMPLETELY.

CONDEMNING PICTURES OF GAY COUPLES SHOULD BE DONE WHILE ALSO CONDEMNING PICTURES OF STRAIGHT COUPLES. WE DON'T WANT ALL THEIR NONSENSE ROMANCE IN OUR FACE. BUT HEY, INSTEAD OF TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO POST OR NOT POST ON THEIR OWN TIMELINE YOU SHOULD UNFOLLOW AND BLOCK THEM. IT'S EASY, RIGHT?


IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN WAS IT NOT YOUR POST THAT TALKED ABOUT TOTAL DISLIKE FOR GAY MEN, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF TOLERANCE FOR LESBIANS SOMETIME AGO? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS.

STRAIGHT PEOPLE (MEN AND WOMEN) THAT SHOW DISGUST WHEN THEY SEE GAY MEN, BUT WEAR THE MOST UNIMAGINABLE SMILE (AND SOMETIMES MASTÙRBATE) WHEN LESBIAN PŌRN STARTS PLAYING, DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.

If u read what I wrote, u will see I totally acknowledged my mild homophobia when it comes to gay men. I am not even justifying my homophobia. I am just stating it. And the reason why I stated my love for lesbians is to show that my homophobia isn't rational. It is just silly and it is my nature. I am owning up to it.
I call it mild homophobia because I don't even have problem with men kissing. I see a lot of movies with such and it doesn't disturb me. I said it on that other post that I dont even have a problem with any openly gay man. I have defended being gay here on the front page of Nairaland sometime last year or so and I stood my ground.

But when I see those gay guys in thongs, I squirm. Those guys look disgusting to me. It is a fact. And I think those guys are not helping the gay cause by disgusting everyone unnecessarily. I think one of the main reason for homophobia are those pansies. If they acted like normal people most people will be more accepting of gays.

That's the point I made in that initial post and it seemed everyone got the idea save for that blockhead that was quoting me and talking without his brain.

BuhBye:
Mr. A uploads a picture of himself wearing a thong on his social media page.
Mr. B goes on a rant on how disgusting it is while completely ignoring the fact that no one is shoving anything in his face.
Do you get it now?
Sorry if it sounds like I'm infantilizing you.

Mumu. No one is shoving what they post for the world to see in your faces. This one no fit get sense again. He even thinks he has said something smart.

BuhBye:

Another man under the false impression his opinion carries weight.
It's pretty simple if you see something you don't like on social media you keep scrolling. If people upload "raunchy" pictures of themselves on their page and it offends you then you have bigger issues than your homophobia.
You're only allowed to complain when they start sending you unsolicited pictures.

Another morön who thinks my opinion carried no weight but thought it fit to quote it and reply twice. My opinion carried no weight but at the slightest criticism I give u guys start screaming homophobia and preaching tolerance.
It is sad that u don't see the joke is on u.
When they post it on the social media for me to see it is automatically unsolicited pictures u dimwit. Keep making a fool of yourself. I will keep knocking sense into that your little head.

Originakalokalo:
When the author of the book of Joshua was recounting how the sun stood still (as believed then) and day light was longer,

He said... "is this not written in the book of jasher?

See it...
" And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their

enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day."
(Joshua 10: 13)

He called another book as a witness...

John the beloved saw a dangerous revelation and was weary of the copy cats..... He cursed anyone who will add to, or remove from what he has written.

He got the revelation and doesn't want anything to stain the credibility of what he saw...

These are proofs within the Bible itself.

Lol. Ridiculous nonsense. U are saying that the Bronze Age scholars responsible for writing a book of fiction called another book of fiction, probably written by even older Bronze age scholars, as evidence? Well who would have thought. You have forgotten that this book of fiction u call the bible is actually a compendium of various fictional tomes. Even the author of Kings tried to point people to Chronicles the same way. But the stories were sometimes contradictory.

The writer of the book of Revelation didn't see any revelation concerning copycats. He just knew from history that contending books will come up and sects will arise that will appropriate his own book for their own gain. There were so many jewish and christian sects vying for recognition then and many of them were laying claims to older books. The curse was a desperate attempt by a helpless author to safeguard his work. And we do not even know if it was the pure form of his work that survived and not some modified version. Or if it was the plagiarists that added the curse so as for people not to be able to change it back to the original.

EBLABOR:
This is what we learnt when investigative journalist - Leah Stdobel got from his interview with Norman L Giesler, PH.D an award wining writer who had written, co-authored and edited over fifty books. One of his recent books is 841 pages Baker Encyclopaedic of Christian Apologetics. This man studied at Wheaton college, the Unvieristy of Detroit, Wayne State University,William Tyndale College and Nortwestern Univesity. he received his PHD in philosophy from Loyola university in Chicago

LISTEN
"There's lots of evidence i could talk about, " he began. " I could talk about the Bible's unity - sixty -six books written in different styles by perhaps forty different authors with different backgrounds over fifteen hundred years and yet the Bible amazingly unfolds one continuous drama with one central message. That points to the existence of divine mind that the writers claimed inspired them "
Can you imagine a book written within 1500 years, by 40 different people in different places and it still talks about just one person, one story one message!

CONFIRMATION BY ARCHEOLOGY
There have been at least 1000 findings in the recent years that proved the stories of the bible are historical accurate. That they happened indeed. From the existence of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob to the account of Sodom and Gommorah most of all that have been confirmed. In 1960 archaeologists during excavations discovered evidences that linked to the king of Assyria exactly as the bible said. They even found that the israelities entered into Jerusalem using a tunnel during David's reign as exactly written in the bible.
Presently they have found the Solomon's temple and it is now being excavated. Many times people thoughts the bible was just fiction but new discoveries corroborate the biblical account.
For instance, the book of Samuel said that after Saul died his armor was put in the temple of Ashtoroth who was a Canaanite fertility goddess, at Bethshan, while the book of Chronicles reports that his head was put in the temple of a philistine cor god name Dagon. Now , archaeologists thought that it was not true and unreliable They didn't think that enemies could have temples in the same place at the same time. What did they later find? They confirmed through excavations that there were two temples at the same site. One each for Dagon and Ashtoroth. They were separated by a hallway. As it turned out the bible was right after all. The philistines adopted Ashtoroth as one of their gods. That kind cases have happened many many times
So historical, recent findings have proven that the bible isn't fiction at all".
So this means the Bible wasn't folktales by moonlight or your normal literature book. Those stuffs did happen! It's real!

Lol. Nonsense. Nobody has confirmed the Bible as historically accurate. Stop lying to yourself. Because the book relies on true historical persons and geography to tell its story doesn't make it historically accurate.

BuhBye:
What people post on their page is their business. You don't like it? don't look.

I can see you are a dimwit. I even thought u have brains in ur head and was trying hard to give u a chance. So someone posts something and I am scrolling by and see it and am disgusted by it. U want me to surf the web blind?

Dude it is not always u have to come online to make a fool of yourself. Sometimes try and fight the urge to be a nitwit.

Well unfortunately we are sure that the bible is fiction. It is fiction inspired by true life events but fiction nonetheless.

Where do I even begin?
There is no evidence of any great flood that covered the earth.
There is no evidence of Israelites being slaves in Egypt.
There is no evidence Solomon was the richest man in his time to this day. Even Musa Mensah is believed to have easily bested his wealth.
There is no evidence of any one called Esther being the wife of Ahasuerus. Nor any Persian Queen by the name of Vashti.

I could go on and on....
Even the Jews themselves recognise the bible for what it is. Most of them take is as allegory and just teachings. But leave it to fundamentalist to take it literally.

All these scammers with their snake oil. Lol. Lying thieves.

Esthered:
Dear OP, you made mention of your spirit leading you. My question to you is how do you hear from God? God speaks to His children in so many ways therefore do you hear from Him?
If you can answer sincerely, you wouldn't even put the question on a public forum. If it's truly the spirit, he'll open your eyes to things that makes her desirable to you beyond her looks and whereas your mind is elsewhere hence the confusion. God is not an author of confusion.

OP don't listen to this people that are always claiming to hear from God o. They are as confused as u are. This one talking now is probably not even married. But will be given u impractical solutions. 98% of those who claimed to hear from God 5 years ago are not enjoying the marriage right now. They are all struggling like everyone else. So stop deceiving yourselves.

luvmijeje:
NPComplete, I initially asked Seun this question, knowing him, he will think I'm trolling or setting a trap for him.

I really want someone who will answer me genuinely from another perspective.

There's not really a one-size-fits-all approach to this. It depends entirely on the individual.

Some would seek beauty only; just a trophy wife. Others will seek intelligence. Others good character. And some will seek a form of combination of these 3. Some even marry a woman because she is rich or has connections. In the end every man will do what they find interesting.

Now depending on all those, u may either rely on ur own judgement to find one. Or your friends. Or your family. Or even your church or pastor. But each choice has its concomitant disadvantages. There's no one that guarantees a perfect marriage. All have worked. And all have failed.

In the end u have to rely on the hand that fate deals to you.

themonk:
It was not an intelligent prank, the challenge exposed very popular magicians and people with claim to the supernatural.

They wouldn't have ridiculed their reputation with a prank.

Guy save ur breath. We don tell Vaxx taya. The guy still dey insist say the money no real. I no even understand the guy again.

luvmijeje:
You do have a point. Your comment reminded of a friend who couldn't leave this babe despite the spirit and his family being against her.

And I'm like guy, shebi you said God said this babe no be your own. And what came out of the guy makes me to burst out into laughter.

He said that babe they give am different kind of style.

Lol

luvmijeje:
Bros, the OP said he's being led to someone he's not attracted to?

Yeah that's what he said. And that's because the one he is actually attracted to wouldn't give him the time of the day or has been hitched by someone else. So the desperate guy is now back to the unattractive good girl that is available and he is now trying to rope one spirit into his confusion.

OP, leave the spirit out of your confusion.

There is nothing like being led by the spirit to a lady. I repeat; there is nothing like of such. Why is the spirit always leading u guys to the beautiful sisters first? Why doesn't the spirit lead u guys to a sister u have never met before? Why is it always someone in your vicinity? And why does the spirit always lead u guys to another sister as soon as the first choice rejects u? It seems the spirit cannot make up its mind and always relies on chance.

By the way this sister u think the spirit is leading u to now is obviously not your first choice. You are desperately seeking a partner and because she is the only who seems available now who probably gives u attention, u think the spirit is leading you because u can tolerate her owing to her good qualities.

Leave the spirit out of your confusion bro.

BuhBye:
Are they forcing you to look at the pictures?

Yes, they are. It is called social media for a reason.

Ranchhoddas:
So people who develop attraction for their mothers despite living with them all their lives, will that be nature or nurture?

Nature.
It seems u don't understand how sexual attraction works. The problem u are having is that u are viewing it from a very detailed view. But the human hormone and physiology does not allow for such a detailed look. All u need are just to see enough features to be attracted. A plum breast or a naked buttocks is enough to do the trick. That's why even you Ranchhoddas will be attracted to a picture of a sexy female alien character in a movie or a comic book. They are not even usually human but they are anthropomorphic enough to get your hormones started.

As a matter of fact it has been shown that a lot of young teenage boys have Oedipus complex. So in that formative age nurture comes in to play a role. And if those boys do not find another outlet or are not discouraged, the feelings blossom.

Ranchhoddas:
Lordreed, what about attraction to one's own mother. Is that also normal?
I want to know how far you can take your liberalness.

Yes it is. Let me help u here. The only reason u are not attracted to ur mother is because of nurture not nature. If u didn't know she was your mother, u would not have any qualms about it especially if she is your type. At the same time, even if she is not biologically related to you and she raised you as her son without you knowing, the same nurture rules will still apply.

There is no internal mechanism for identifying mothers and precluding attraction to them. Same goes for sisters and cousins. That's why some cultures have no qualms about bedding their cousins while others find it repulsive.
So maybe u should learn the meaning of natural first before coming here to argue.

Ranchhoddas:
We have to prove beyond reasonable doubt first that homosexuality is natural.

Dude, this is getting ridiculous. Your bias is just making you to clutch at straws. You don't need to proof a thing is natural before proving it can be cured.

Ranchhoddas:
If it is only one person who has been genuinely cured, then it's enough to say that homosexuality is abnormal.

This is where the problem is. How do we prove that there is a man somewhere who has been really cured of homosexuality beyond reasonable doubt? That's my point.

Ranchhoddas:
No dey "whine" yourself. Animals can also do unnatural things.
What do you make of people who claim to have been cured?

I don't know about this cure thing. Anyone can stop a habit at any time. I wouldn't consider it a cure. That's why there isn't a cure for being an alcoholic or a drug addict. You can only be considered sober.

Also it is hard to really know if someone is cured of homosexuality. Does it mean they don't crave such sexual acts again? Or does it mean they just restrain themselves more? If a man can be cured of being gay then a man should also be able to be cured of any sexual desires entirely? So are u saying I can be cured of my predilection for moderately massive and perky female behinds?

Another reason why it is hard to know if someone is really cured of homosexuality is that anyone who makes such claim of being cured probably has an incentive to proclaim it. The person might do so under societal or religious pressure to assuage their guilt or gain more acceptance with a group. So if the guy is still gay, he has a lot of reason to hide it and just play along. This is the same like all those guys that claim to have been healed of one sickness or another in churches but hide themselves later when symptoms of the sickness persists.

Nwaikuku2:
I can sense a demon speaking through you. Lemme give you one revelation. In hell fire, you will be force to repeat any sexual act committed here on earth with either a shape sword or a python force into those various organs in and out every seconds in deep agony.

It is obvious u have been to hell fire and was sodomised with a flaming sword. The details u just provided can only be gotten from firsthand experience.

raptex:
Do you think it should be legalized in Nigeria?( Please give reasons why it should or shouldn't be)

I don't know about this though. I have no problem with homosexuality if the participants are doing it within he confines of their bedrooms. I just would not like to see it outside. I have no problem with any openly gay person as long as they maintain decorum. But those guys that put on a thong and then start posting lewd pictures of themselves everywhere I find rather repulsive. I consider that debauchery and the first signs of the collapse of societal sanity. If I won't tolerate such act from ladies whose anatomies I am biological attracted to, I can't take that from any effeminate masculine that thinks his idea of being accepted is assaulting our senses with unwanted imagery.

So as u can tell I still haven't gotten rid of all of my homophobia yet. I am still mildly homophobic.

If you have been paying attention u will also notice my homophobia is directed at gay men. Not gay women. I have no problems with those angels. They are still subject to the same rules though: keep it indoors. If I catch two lesbians in the act, I am joining the fray. One of my fantasies is to wake up one morning on my bed and find myself sandwiched between 2 lesbians for no reason.