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Desyner:
The list of past nobel laureate seem to contradict your submission. The main drivers of civilization were deep-rooted Christians.

Butterflyl10n:
The lies you lot tell yourselves so boldly in the face of true contradictory facts regarding the roots of education, research and the likes is so dumbfounding that I wonder how you all sleep at night.

I wonder how there would ever be a tomorrow if there was no yesterday. Could there possibly be a building if there was no established land for the purpose of such a building?

The OP just reeled out prestigious schools with Christian roots and you are blatantly lying about some silly hindrance to human development as if we do not have a million and 1 developers, researchers, scientists, doctors, inventors, etc who are Christians.

Please take your lies elsewhere.

HigherEd:
You ain't better than the westerners who rooted their nations in Christianedom. We can't even begin to reel out the relevance of the church from the days of Slessor, down to these current days of the Oyedepo's, Adeboye's and the many unsung heroes who work tirelessly to change nations for good.


Accursed be all that learning which sets itself in opposition to the cross of Christ! Accursed be all that learning which disguises or is ashamed of the cross of Christ! Accursed be all that learning which fills the room that is due to the cross of Christ! and once more, Accursed be all that learning which is not made subservient to the honour and glory of the cross of Christ!
John Whiterspoon(founder, Princeton University)

You guys don't know how to make a point. In your haste to prove me wrong, u started arguing against the wrong thing and didn't even stop to think.

Here's the post I quoted again:

Desyner:
Timely piece!
The good thing is that there are still people who resist the external pressure and build their work on biblical principles.

And here is what I said in response:

NPComplete:
Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

Tell me what is a lie in the response to the initial post by Desyner? The fact is that scientific breakthroughs of recent times do not rely on biblical principles, argue all u may.

That they were deep rooted Christian scientists doesn't mean they relied on biblical principles to build their works. Trust me if they did, u guys will still be swinging on trees by now. Because biblical principles have nothing to do with science. There have been great Christian, Muslim, atheist and polytheist scientists. It has nothing to do with the bible or its principles. Get it?

Show me one great scientist whose work was based on biblical principles. I challenge you all.

Speaking in tongues is the laziest thing invented in modern Christianity. When I was in school we used to have a lot of clowns especially from BLW who would fornicate day and night but can speak in tongues and will try to force u to speak in tongues on the spot whenever they preach to u. The real power they were supposed to be able to demonstrate according to the bible has been very elusive so they have all opted for the lazy one: tongues.

Any drunk methhead can even speak in tongues using the Christian formula. Just say some "zuba kuta ruba ruba shege robo siaka" yeah.

What can modern Christians even do? Can anyone tell me of any singular believable miracle these guys are capable of?
Move mountains? No.
Tread on scorpions? No.
Pick up poisonous snakes? No
Drink any deadly thing? No.

So what can they do?
Speak in lazy inscrutable tongues that even God and the angels do not understand? Check.
Give prophecies that is less accurate than Google trends? Check.
Shave and bath random homeless people with intermittent occasions of mild insanity and claim they healed them? Check.

With all this, can anyone tell me the difference between modern Christianity and a circus show?

Stupid thread.

charytea:
The way people reason ehn?
If its all about Picking up mad people and caring for them, why are there still mad people all over Nigeria?
When a native doctor does juju, they believe he has powers, but when Jesus performs miracles, they begin to reason it..
For all atheists doubting the power of God, my prayers for you is just One Encounter with Jesus. just ONE!

Look at this one thinking upsidedown.
The fact that there are a lot of mad people about town is proof that no one is getting healed. If they were getting healed your pastors should have healed all of them by now. What are they waiting for?

When a native doctor does juju, nobody with brains believe him. It is superstitious people like u that still go about claiming the juju exist. Your native doctors and pastors are all as useful as boobs on a man.

Another fake miracle. It seems this is what is in vogue now. Find an unkempt homeless guy then cut his hair and bath him and u have a miracle.

The only way I will believe this miracle is if the pastor finds a violent mad man, prays for him, cut his hair, bath him and takes him home. At home the healed man will have access to his kitchen where all the sharp objects are and also be give access to roam freely around to where the cutlass and other handy home tools are.

Proudgorgeousga:
almost as good as not believing.

you sound agnostic

I am not agnostic. If I was, I won't say my prayer daily nor give thanks to a higher power. I just don't care which form He is in.

For me, God could have the demeanor of a 3 year old kid and it still doesn't matter. I don't have to pretend he cares or he should care or should see things from our moral perspective. The only reason I reject the mainstream Christian version of God is because he has been anthropomorphized and then given absolute omnipotent powers only to exhibit the same flaws limited humans do. It is insane.

For me God could be singular or plural or both. The concept of singularity maybe limited to this dimension. Also god could be us or the universe itself. We could also be the universe and god at the same time. Unlimited expression of creative power.

In summary, God is complicated. And He is certainly not something that can be shoehorned into a holy book written by goat herders nor grasped by our limited minds. God is existence itself. Utterly meaningful. Utterly meaningless.

Cc Hopefullandlord Urahara

urahara:
What are your reasons for believing in god?

I won't rationalize it and say I have an air-tight proof of the existence of God. The best answer to this is that I can't bring myself not to believe in God no matter how hard I try. This is why I understand the position of many theists here. The only place I disagree with them is the nature of that god and whether or not their perceived version of God must be the true one. I always disagree with absolutists.
And I vehemently disagree with them when they try to sell their own beliefs as the right and only way things should be.

The God I believe in does not care what u believe in. He doesn't even care if u believe in Him or not from the evidence I can see so far.

hopefulLandlord:
Deepsight NPcomplete, you guys are deists, right?

Yeah I am

Maximus85:
Wow... I really enjoyed your comments with those sweet words. How does that make you feel now? Better? Good for you.

Yeah. I really do feel good bashing people like you. I enjoy every moment of it.

Next time you want to start a debate with somebody maybe if u lead with a tone like this that person won't be so inclined to bash u thereafter.

ihatesycophant:
But that was not captured in the Bible. It was more of riddle and fiction than reality of the Bible.

Why should the Bible's own be true and not our African folk tale? Since both of them cannot be back up with any tangible evidence other than that it was written down and told to us by men of old?

ihatesycophant:
So you even know the existence of blind bathemeus but still blindfolded not to believing the cause of pain in womenfolk during delivery as subscribed in the Bible. Hope you now believe there is a significant reason women go through pain when in travail of birth? It has been scientifically proven that all women go throw pain in delivery, only it comes in different shades. Every doing of God is for a reason.

Yeah, I should also believe that the reason why the tortoise's shell is cracked is because it fell from heaven after cheating the other animals at a banquet with the gods.
Every doing of God is for a reason.

ihatesycophant:
Hey! sorry for injecting into your blood stream your dose. I pray you overcome this your self-inflicted hangout that is innate in you.

Hey, Blind Barthemeus. You are an idiot and u will never stop being one.

So this man in the first picture wearing a bead around his waist but his tiny phallus in conspicuously hanging out is also wearing a flap covering it, right?

And those women sitting beside that guy in the second pic are also wearing flaps to your blind eyes, right. You are just an idiot. Even with the evidence staring at u.

Because people wear ornaments round their waists does not mean they are covering their pubic region too.

Stop disgracing your family online Mr Refined Monkey.

ihatesycophant:
I'll not be tempted to descend to your low level because I was trained and brought up to respect individuals no matter their grid. Every of your comment depict the level you're operating in. Your kind always have one or two issues you're battling with and you tend to vent it on available 'scape goat'. Sorry you missed the road. A well refined, intelligent and schooled person discuss issue and not person in a topical issue or discourse. You resort to throwing jam make you less a kindergarten.
If you've forgotten your eye at home that didn't allow you to see those putting on strings in the pictures. Well I will help you.

You are an idiot. You are an idiot. Let me remind u in case u have forgotten, u are an idiot. No amount of self professed refinement will make u any less of an idiot. Lol. Keep dreaming. Refined monkey.

vaxx:
Buterfly1ion can be right , animal and human can communicate telepathically. Animal gets your intentions, emotions, images, or thoughts behind the words just like growing human baby. even if the words themselves are not totally understood. They can not make proper speech like human because their orgarns do not support it.....The bible do not record what means of communication exist between eve and serpent. Maybe it is speech like or telepathy means. No one knows. Unless you knows ? Then we can then ask what language? Heavenly or earthly? But since nothing like that. butterflyl1on may logically claim that communication exist between eve and serpent.


I will like to know if bible specifically indicate the mode of the communication?

I actually agree with this.
Not in the human and animals being able to communicate telepathically part but in the argument that we cannot expect any communication between a man and an animal, if it ever occurs, to be limited to the use of the vocal chords alone.

Maximus85:
I've just wasted my on you. Peace. What is prediction in what I wrote. The Bible saying the earth is spherical before the scientist got to know is a prediction? You go school at all? Millions are mad but very few are roving.

You are an idiot. Took you 3 days for your brain to think up a reply. Lol. Empty nincompoop.

Everyone look at what this goat initially said and I replied:

If the Bible is a story book, then the writers must have been damn good seers, because many things written thousands of years ago are happening now. You're one of the true stories... People who would contest the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible mentioned that the earth is spherical in shape many decades before scientists came realize it after decades of believing the earth is flat

It was the first part of that senseless quote that I was replying when I told u any prediction can come to pass given enough time. Then I replied the second part about the bible knowing the earth is round by letting u know that the Quran also gets a lot of scientific fact accurately but that does not in anyway validate the quran.
Instead of comprehension, your leaky brain muddled it altogether and started seeing things.
Next time I will be a little helpful and use a teaching aid. lol. It seems there are many lazy pseudointellectuals on Nairaland. What a disgrace.

Also, no, scientists never believed the earth was flat. People believed it. Not scientists. Stop sniffing your own faeces maybe ur brain wouldn't be malfunctioning.

Even some ancient Greeks knew the earth is spherical before scientists did. They could theorise from the shadow the earth cast on the moon during an eclipse.

By the way, the bible believes in a geocentric solar system so please stop being an idiot. Get the Bleep out of my mentions.

Even the Quran discusses about iron and some metals and how they are formed. Does that make the Quran true? Fcking idiots quoting me. Geez

ihatesycophant:
You're still not truthful about tribe that are totally nude. All I see in what you posted here are men going hunting for games. I see some use string to cover their private part, expecially the aged women among them meaning it wasn't a total nudity and they didn't subscribed to that. Show me a tribe that engage in total nudity as a way of life. Your link has not showed what you claimed. I also need from you a culture known for orgy as you claimed.
I did history and civilisation as a course in my 100level in school. You cannot begin to manufacture what is not and expect me to believe it.
Come to think of it, you raised 3 issues which I addressed with facts from history excerpt but you've been clever by half dodging them but rather indulge in throwing jab. An intelligent person discuss issue and not throw jab.

Unfortunately I don't consider u intelligent so I will throw a jab to remind u.
So u didn't see all those nude women sitting beside that guy in one of those pictures?

And u are not smart enough to notice that it is the photographer that is trying hard to avoid showing full frontal nudity and make the photos less NSFW so he uses whatever they are carrying to obscure their privates?

Just look at the quality of brain trying to engage me in a debate.

Get the fck out of my mentions u odious buffoon.

Maximus85:
If the Bible is a story book, then the writers must have been damn good seers, because many things written thousands of years ago are happening now. You're one of the true stories... People who would contest the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible mentioned that the earth is spherical in shape many decades before scientists came realize it after decades of believing the earth is flat. Your scientists used to believe the earth is on the back of three giant elephants, later, they got to know that the earth hangs on nothing.... Guess what, that book you called a story book has said it, even before science that the earth hangs on nothing.

Use your brain well sir.

Lol. I like how halfwits come around to advice people on how to use their brain.

Confucius said, "when u stay long at the side of a river, even the body of ur enemies will flow by".
Given enough time any prophecy may seem to come to pass. Even Nostradamus prophecy just need time for something like that to occur. There are too many people and events in the world that if even u prophesy today and wait centuries, it will happen.
By the way, the Quran has been better at predicting some "scientific things" than the bible. Does that make the Quran true?

ihatesycophant:
You're just being clever by half. I took time to show you links to buttress my point but you telling me there are primitive people that unclad even till date but you refused telling who they are, where they reside all over the world. I think too much of film watching is giving you too much of hope. I quoted links of cultures of civilization of Egypt, Greek and Hebrew and all items of coverings were did mentioned in them and there was no where it was stated they are totally naked. Show me a culture where they are totally unclad and not directing me to google. If I can't google I won't be here. Give me the culture and stop being wise by half. Google is our friends. Don't show me a refugees and rainbow gathering of people uncovered by photographer on the way to South America and such of film makings. All knowledge of primitive life start and end in the civilization of Egypt, Greece, Roman and Hebrew. Any other you see was due to environmental and social factors in an isolated cases and not necessarily their way of life. These are links on nudity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAggJhgDIyI
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/nude-tribal-women

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwdCA7fAEog
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/naked-african-tribes
http://www./video/x32asuc
http://www./video/x3m0yuv
http://jaguda.com/uncategorized/naked-tribe-discovered-in-nigeria/


Again, give me a culture that uses indiscrinate sex as a way of life in history and till date and stop being wise by half. I read and been taught civilisation of the world in school and there was no where such act was mentioned as a way of life of any people. I am expecting your history that taught that a certain people engaged in indiscriminate sex and that became their way of life. I know, no single one.
And on the issue of contention, I'll repost my initial comment which was well researched and I expect you to give me concrete evidence than just a fluke.

"
1. The early cultures don't go totally Unclad. In the primitive age you referred, their private parts are covered with leaves while their young girls used leaves to cover their Tips.
So, you still need to answer the guy why humans put on coverings why animals don't till date? Specifically to cover their private parts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Egypt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Greece

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_the_ancient_world
2. There is no such culture that they use indiscriminate sex as a way of life. Orgy happen when there is breakdown of law and order or in a social gathering. I wish you show me a culture where orgy become their way of life.
3. I think your argument here makes no sense at all. The group you referred to picking food on the street for a reason which is not limited to untold factors and not because it was natural phenomenon.

Now to the mean issue. No woman born of a woman that doesn't experience birth pains. The pain only varies from women to women. The pain of A woman may be severe while that of B woman may be less severe. There is no painless delivery during birth. Take time and ask women around you and also browse it. Read through the link below:
http://m.kidshealth.org/en/parents/childbirth-pain.html?WT.ac=

But you cannot argue that not all animals go through pain during delivery. This should have given you distinction between human being and other animals.

I would have given you some Bible passages that gave reasons for the pains women go through during birth giving but I don't want to go biblical and rather scientific."

Lots of talk. Still haven't done the research. Either that or u are selectively seeing only the ones that cover a part of their body. Even the Amazonian tribes walk around stark nude.

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/2654186/incredible-pics-show-how-remote-tribe-in-ecuadorian-rainforest-has-learned-to-hunt-monkeys-with-blowpipesand-even-feasts-on-toucans/amp/

You are at best dishonest and at worse incompetent if u claim u couldnt find stark nude tribes on the internet.

I despise dishonest people. People who cannot face a fact head on but pretend it doesn't exist are worse than scum. Lazy pseudointellectuals that rush into conversation without research are abhorrent.
It will be more pitiful if u really couldn't find those pictures on the internet though. It will mean our education has been breeding severely incompetent people who don't know their asses from their elbows.

I can't have a discussion with a person like u. I am sorry. I fear it will reduce the quality of conversations I usually have.

Desyner:
Timely piece!
The good thing is that there are still people who resist the external pressure and build their work on biblical principles.

Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

butterflyl1on:
It does not mean GENERAL SORROW. read again below.



Genesis 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

It first started by saying the womans sorrow/ pain would be greatly multiplied (increased be it in duration or intensity) and in the same breathe a little further it now SPECIFIED the area the sorrow/pain would be focussed on. That area is in bringing forth children.

How you are seeing "general sorrow" is simply fascinating.

Nope. Guy this thing na English na. I will greatly multiply thy sorrow AND thy conception. Sorrow is general sorrow. Conception is specific about the length of time of carrying the baby in the womb.

Then it goes on with the curse: In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children. This one says nothing about increasing anything. But the beginning of it. If not it should have said "in more sorrow". And thy desires shall be to thy husband, meaning up until that moment her desires would have been to herself. If not it would have said "thy desires shall be MORE to thy husband".

She had other sorrows before. And those sorrows couldnt have been labour because she hadnt given birth before then. By adding these new curses thus has her sorrow been increased.

I know u get what I am saying but your need to defend your religion will make u seek other ways to interpret this.

butterflyl1on:
If you would speak this way devoid of your usual vitriol then I would have this conversation with you.

Let me post the King James version as you said



It says I WILL MULTIPLY THY SORROW.

What is meant to be multiplied in that passage? THY SORROW!

This means that there was sorrow already there in small measure but you and I know that there is no sorrow during labour so sorrow there means the PAIN during childbirth.

Going further to say IN SORROW SHALL THOU BRING FORTH CHILDREN was said after the multiplication of an already existing sorrow/pain

That scripture was not refering to lenght of time alone but also at intensity. The longer the labour, the longer the pain/sorrow.

So even what you thought was wrong is actually right.

Lenght of duration of labour is right
Length and intensity of pain is right.

What we know is that there is pain so be it a lengthy labour or a short one, an already existing pain/ sorrow has been multiplied.

Eve did not have to give birth before to know there would be pain. The one who made her (God) just let her in on something she shouldn't have known at that time. He created her and designed her for fruitfulness and multiplication (conception and delivery) so he also knew pain in some degree would be involved.

Who says the sorrow has anything specific to do with labour or childbirth? It just says sorrow. It is u that is tying that sorrow to childbirth specifically. It means general sorrow.

Then it went on to specifically mention something about lengthening the conception. And then it also talked about making the birth after the conception, that is the labour, painful. It is u that is trying to shoehorn everything into the word "sorrow".

Lengthening of conception time is not the same as increase in labour pains. The verse was very clear about that. That's why it is spelt out.

ihatesycophant:
1. The early cultures don't go totally naked. In the primitive age you referred, their private parts are covered with leaves while their young girls used leaves to cover their nipples.
So, you still need to answer the guy why humans put on coverings why animals don't till date? Specifically to cover their private parts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Egypt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Greece

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_the_ancient_world
2. There is no such culture that they use indiscriminate sex as a way of life. Orgy happen when there is breakdown of law and order or in a social gathering. I wish you show me a culture where orgy become their way of life.
3. I think your argument here makes no sense at all. The group you referred to picking food on the street for a reason which is not limited to untold factors and not because it was natural phenomenon.

Now to the mean issue. No woman born of a woman that doesn't experience birth pains. The pain only varies from women to women. The pain of A woman may be severe while that of B woman may be less severe. There is no painless delivery during birth. Take time and ask women around you and also browse it. Read through the link below:
http://m.kidshealth.org/en/parents/childbirth-pain.html?WT.ac=

But you cannot argue that not all animals go through pain during delivery. This should have given you distinction between human being and other animals.

I would have given you some Bible passages that gave reasons for the pains women go through during birth giving but I don't want to go biblical and rather scientific.

Dude do you research well. There are primitive people who are unclad even until this day. So that is not even an argument. Search for "nude tribes" on Google and help urself.

For u to say there was no culture that used indiscriminate sex as a way of life shows u don't know history.

Your first 2 points shows u nothing about the topic u are discussing so I didn't even bother reading the rest
Read more and come back for a discussion.

butterflyl1on:
NPComplete this link is to all the Bible versions I could get. All of them talk about Genesis 3:16 and all of them say the same thing.

What they say is that THERE IS AN INCREASE, A MULTIPLICATION, A SHARPENING, of pains in childbirth for women as declared by God.

What this means is that Pain was already there for a woman in labour but at a much lesser degree and it is this little pain that God said he would INCREASE, MULTIPLY OR SHARPEN.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/3-16.htm

read the link and refrain from being deceptive with scripture especially when everyone else has access to it and practically everyone can read in an understandable manner.

OK now I am interested in this conversation with u. My own KJV says " I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception". So that can be interpreted to mean the lengthening of time it takes to conceive a child. It is u modern Christians that has started twisting the bible to help yourselves.
Then it goes on to say ".....in sorrow shall thou bring forth children". That means they weren't supposed to bring forth children in sorrow were it not for their transgressions.

Mind u, at this time Eve hasn't given birth to any child before. So u can't just assume there was a little pain before.

butterflyl1on:
Jumping around calling any counter post to yours "stupid" is just a show of your bully and childish mentality. Talking about Genesis 3, I would like to post that particular portion of scripture. I believe it was written in English language when translated so let's consider the words together.



I deliberately made bold some words there. Childbirth already had pains associated with it and the Bible never hinted at NO pain. It says I will make YOUR PAINS in childbearing very severe.

This means the pains woman go through today during child and the painful labour was not meant to be as severe as that.

It is on record that the pain levels during labour or delivery ranks extremely high for humans than for animals. Animals never reach the pain threshold where they end up screaming. They get uncomfortable and do feel a bit of pain but not like humans.

So for even animals, a bit of pain is expected same way for humans pain was already there but God simply said HE WOULD INCREASE THE PAIN WHICH ALREADY EXISTED.

It's English but a lot of people still fail to see what is right before their eyes.

cc royalamour

This one has come with his skewed logic again. And I keep asking what sin did the hyenas commit that made their labour more painful than even humans?
Since u highlight "painful labour" it means the labour should have been painless before the curse so why do other animals have painful labour as well?
I know u won't make sense today. So I won't even bother replying u again.

PreciousJuice:
I'm not here to argue, but I want to beg every reasonable being to ignore the blasphemy on this thread, either you believe it or not all I know is there is God and God's doing and wisdom is greater than science or any confused personality nor humans can comprehend, believe in God and stop doubting or questioning God's existence and doings, I used to think I'm smart and say a lot of things to prove God is not perfect and all right but I paid badly for it. now I know how foolish I was and I wish I never poke my nose in God's affair, This Thread Is Fruitless but you @op&NPComplete will learn and understand how stupid what you doing is, God is not human that you can call out, God is omnipotent and superior, you can't question a King's authority or judgment over his subjects not to talk of Almighty God, Stop The Blasphemy against my God.

Stupid post. Lots of words but not even one sense.

seunH:
Let me add to this, I remember in my 300 level, I had interest in palmistry(reading of the palm lines to determine the future). Can you guess when I dropped such interest?......when I discovered monkeys too have palm lines similar to humans. "I was like, monkeys too can get their future predicted too......lolz

Hahahaha.
Sometimes u just need to give a deep thought to your beliefs and your eyes will be opened.

Polyflexzy:
You are the first person I will term as an idiot on nairaland. I hope you don't think like this in real life.

You are the first person I will term as a hopeless oaf on Nairaland. I hope u don't breed so we don't have your idiotic genes in the next generation.

hopefulLandlord:
I've noticed you've moved more and more away from Christianity with time

You atheists have corrupted many people on this forum with your ideology. May the blood of Jesus wash away your sins.

enilove:
Like the Dolphin I gave as example , they don't experience pains when giving birth . That should tell you that if not for sin, as the bible tells us, women wouldn't be experiencing pain ,also , during child bearing.

Like a car manufacturer , you can design your car the way you like. You can put the booth in the front and the engine at the back as you wish.

You keep parroting this same fallacy over and over again. And I keep asking: what sin did the hyenas commit to make them experience more pain that we do?

tintingz:
It's you actually, you don't reason before you react.

That guy is an oaf. A pitiful one at that.

He started his reply to me by stating that my think is like that of an animal. And when I replied him in the tone he set, he started playing the victim. Just look at how he started by thanking u for not using insults like "most atheists" then he turned around and insults u.

What a clown

JudgementHammer:
Lol you're just one embittered ignoramus. I should be d one getting irritated with ur folly

Wish to see you on your sick bed after accident has claimed ur mobility

Lol. Don't worry. When the time comes there will be enough to see in your family. Since u wish it, so shall it be.

JudgementHammer:
Lol so to you culture superceedes creation. Who made culture? Now who created those who made culture?

Picking food on d floor is inspired by poverty and not a physiological response.

You don't have point bro. Your argument is still half-baked.

Nonsense. Please stop fouling this thread with such unintelligent responses. I am weary of responding to such folly.

Nope actually it is modern hygiene and health is what has stopped people from picking food from the streets. Even in the middle ages, rich people were not having their baths and if their food falls on the ground they ate it.

Do u know that if u train a dog to eat from a bowl and in the house it will become very choosy about what and where it eats? The only reason u can boast about not eating from the street is abundance and training. If there were to be a famine now, u won't be any different from those feral animals u disdain. When push comes to shove, u will lose all this human exclusivity in which u are so conceited.

The only reason I am replying is because of other people that will come and read this thread. Not because I think u are smart enough to understand sound arguments. Cheers