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Aminat508:
May God bless you, I need more explanations pls

Kai. And u are educated o. You even saw the grafting and instead of u to rush to Google to search u are here claiming u want more explanations. Na wa for u

An educated Nigerian opened a thread and doesn't know about grafting. We still have a long way to go in this country.

lekkie073:
Mr man I don't need YouTube to confirm something I saw with my eyes.

r u saying human levitation is impossible or what?

Check YouTube and u will see how the trick is done. The fact that u don't want to check it tells me u will rather prefer to live in a bubble than look for facts. I have seen that trick done with my eyes too. So we both have valid arguments.

Human levitation ko. Human litigation ni.

It will be possible in the future though with science. Not the shiit u are claiming.

Wait. This has to be a joke.

Optimisticgondy:
Baba, I'll just advise you re-do that invisibility video to prove doubters wrong..find someone to video the entire car from outside while you invisibly drive the car inside..thanks for promoting our culture.. But that video is a no-no to be honest

Lol. Babalawos went to one empty street in their Abule where he is sure moto will not jam his arse while he is pulling that trick off. You can see there were no other cars on that road. Then he started his car, put it in the lowest gear possible and rode shotgun with the "driverless" car all the while turning the steering wheel with one of his hands and making sure no part of his body is showing on camera.
Only God knows how many times he shot that vid, how many mistakes he made, before he got the perfect one to post.
You can see in the video one young boy on the street was looking at him like "what is this agbaya doing again this time?"

lekkie073:
d levitation wasn't to the sky. it was just some inches above the ground. its impossible not to believe it if u actually see it.

"Inches" gave it away. Go to YouTube and search for levitation tricks. You will see enough.

hopefulLandlord:
seems you haven't seen his invisibility spell charm video
https://www.nairaland.com/3873563/invisibility-spell-charm-live-demonstration

Kai! Babalawos na mumu o. How did he expect that trick to fly? The first time I will play any of his videos was that levitation vid he uploaded last. So I have been missing this much comedy on this section.

Babalawos na pure clown.

Babalawos:
Shut up and stop derailing this thread

Fraud

Babalawos u now have a fan. I will make sure u rue the day one of ur fake demons possessed u and posted that video of a fake levitation online. You know I only joined the rank of those heckling u recently. I will increase it from now on.

The fact that your third eye didn't tell u u were courting trouble when u posted that video on Nairaland brazenly insulting our intelligence here.

You are a fraud. A big fraud. Shame on u and any blockhead supporting u.

chemystery:
why is something telling me that this is the monika of the guy that use to hold the camera for babalawos during his funny displays

Either that or he is just another tiny brained follower of the fraud.

Igyeseh:
Any evidence of his fraud activities?
The fact that nairaland is faceless forum doesn't means it's a guarantee for every Tom, Dick and Harry to start writing trash and accusing people wrongly.
It would have gentlemanly and morally acceptable if you had back up your claims with prove.
The person you just called fraud has been of tremendous help to many people in general and me in particular.
I don't just know why some people derived joy in tarnishing other people's image.

The guy is a fraud. End of discussion. It's not my problem if u only have one definition for fraud in ur own dictionary.

Fraud.

Ola17:
Dear OP, pay no heed to the scoffers. You really did put up a great performance.

Good one.

Lalasticlala sir, can we have this obvious and incontrovertible proof of the supernatural and the power of juju on front page. Thanks.

Just say u want more people to mock him.

lekkie073:
no....I saw them on d local streets of jorgesuari. all I saw was a man sitting down and actually rising suspended in the air. I saw him sitting on d ground, next I saw him moving up beating gravity. and I saw him in d air. nothing whatsoever was close to him save d clothes he was on.

Lol. The oldest trick in the book.

Babalawos:
Did I defraud you? Am still waiting for your proof.

You owe me apologies if you don't have any proof of my fraud

Fraud

Babalawos:
When did you catch me disgrace myself?

What exactly is your problem?

Do you have problem with the existence of third eye or my third eye tutorial?

Next time you want to comment on my thread, back up your claim with proof and stop commenting thrash on my post.

Fraud

Chrismentor3:
This is serious! But those steps are quite difficult, meanwhile can you tell me about my future since u have activated ur spiritual eyes

Don't mind the fraud. The guy is as fake as anything. He just comes here to recite shit to halfwitted morons who will believe him. We have caught numerous times disgracing himself here.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think Occam's razor should come in here : We should pick a much simpler explanation over this . God does not need to be limited and have his own God , what about God's God's God and so on ? And we could be in a mess if we should think God is limited needing another being and this other being will need another being - this is another form of infinite regress anyway .

You people forget that Occam's Razor isn't always a perfect fit.
For example, u don't know about how people have children. But u hear about two competing theories. One, two people have sex and a sperm fertilizes an egg and cells divide and after 9 months a baby is pushed out of the womb through a vagina. Two, a stork carries the baby in its beak and drops it at the door step of the parents Dumbo-style.
Occam's Razor says the second is most likely right. But we all know that's a lie.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are making my point bro . Now you are agreeing with the mind–body dualism - the mind and the body are separable . See the universe as a body and God as the mind and voila ! You have panentheism . That the universe is the body of God and Its non-physical or mental aspect of Itself , is Its mind . The universe itself is not mind , it is the body .

That's okay then

Hmmm. This is also a possibility I am inclined to believe.

KingEbukasBlog:
But the problem is the universe is not a mind , its just matter in different forms . The universe is just a combination of different things . God is called an ultimate mind because it is impervious to infinite regress since it is eternal .

How do u know the universe is not a mind? Because u are incapable of communicating with it doesn't preclude that possibility.
Right now as u are typing this, there are probably two bacteria or cells inside u having this discussion in their own way. And they are claiming u aren't a mind too just a mishmash of cells and tissues.

Nothing meaning non-existence of anything physically and metaphysically and does not have the power to cause things . Ex nihilo nihil fit : Nothing produces nothing . So if there was nothing prior to the existence of the universe that means there would forever be nothing , complete non-existence in every possible world . But we have something , something casually potent that causes other things to come into being , that something is God .

I agree with this. The problem is that u want to define the something like the bible does. And I want to define that something in other ways.

KingEbukasBlog:
Well if God is a finite container , then there are things beyond God's existence and if there are things beyond God's existence that means It is limited then God isn't the reason that everything exists

Perhaps everything exists within that limited god. And we, his creations, live and express ourselves within the limits his limits gave us.
I am wondering why people have a problem with a limited God. Why can't our God have his own God. Why is that a thought people just don't want to entertain?/

KingEbukasBlog:
Because there are people who reject the existence of whatever we cannot perceive with our senses . Most ancient materialist schools were proponents of this thought .

What's your take on reason as a source of knowledge ?

Reason for me works well as a source of knowledge but it is incomplete. We can tell that a planet exists somewhere far off in our solar system by simply observing its action on nearby bodies and reasoning its existence thus. But we cannot truly know about the planet until we observe it by other means. Our knowledge will always be incomplete until we visit the planet more and more closely.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , you didn't respond to my question on how you could deify the universe on purely materialistic/naturalistic grounds . And how matter could give rise to mental states not just mental states but object directedness or aboutness of something without presupposing the existence of an ultimate mind

I believe in an ultimate mind. That ultimate mind could be the universe. Or it could exist outside the universe. The dichotomy does not matter to be. And it doesn't matter if it is an ultimate or simple mind either.
The problem with presupposing an ultimate mind is that it leads to an infinite regress. How did the ultimate mind come to be? If something that ultimate can come to be of its own volition, why can't the same be said of us because it will even be a lot easier?

God being eternal is actually evidential based on logic , science and philosophy and that's how the Cosmological Argument was formed . But I want us to discuss Premise 1 since its pertinent to this discourse . It says :

1. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause

This premise was formed based on the fact that something can't from nothing since nothing is causally impotent and things can't spring into existence uncaused , and whatever that begins to exist must have an agent behind its existence . We can even go further , the premise agrees that there indeed things without causes and since they are without a cause and they exist therefore they are eternal .

What is incoherent in this thought .

Why can't something come out of nothing? And what is nothing? Can nothing truly exist?
Before the universe, there was nothing. That nothing is still something. For the universe to see somewhere in that nothing to expand to then the nothing must have been able to accommodate the universe. Now, is that nothing truly nothing?

Perhaps we are all nothing. And that nothing is expressing itself as the something that we are. Try to imagine nothing. Close ur eyes and imagine it. Can u really say for sure that the nothing u imagined is actually nothing?

KingEbukasBlog:
Does this mean that what is beyond your perception or above the limits of your senses does not exist ?

I am still trying hard to see how u interpreted that from what I said.
What I can perceive may exist but I do not have to believe in it. Anyone who is trying to convince me of it's existence should be able to make me perceive it. Failure to do so means I am well within my rights not to believe in it. Cthulhu may truly exist but I do not believe in it. However wants me to believe in Cthulhu better do a better job of convincing me about it than pointing to H P Lovecraft's works.

NairalandSARS:
Why would the gods fight themselves? You assume they act like animals humans.

Don't mind the clown. The savage thinks his god must also be a savage.

andreweb:
Mugabe will not kill person with laugh:I am an educationist. I am an economist. I am a politician. I am also now a good storyteller

When will u blockheads stop disturbing us with ur dry jokes? Take ur need for attention elsewhere.

J

KingEbukasBlog:
Well , there are good and logical reasons to affirm God's existence ( a creator's existence) especially when it comes to the mountain of evidence for a cosmic beginning , objective morality , consciousness and intentionality etc . But I want to know , what could be the rationale behind deifying the universe on purely materialistic and naturalistic grounds because the universe does not create anything . The Laws of Nature are no creative forces , they are merely descriptions of natural processes we observe when we study nature . And how do you deal with the existence of mental states in a purely materialistic world . How can matter give rise to mental states ?

Are we in the mind of God or part of God ? It totally depends on the perspective you want to approach this thought . Even the bible points to the fact that we are created out of the being of God since God is eternal and infinite . Consider God as some kind of infinite container and we as well as other finite entities are inside of It existing/experiencing life in It and through It

There's no proof that the universe doesn't create anything. Or that it creates anything either. But if we are going to believe in a God that exists and has proof, the universe should be our starting point. In it we see wondrous things; stars being birthed and dying and part of those stars becoming part of us. Iron within our bodies forged in the core of ancient celestial bodies in the midst of nebulas we can't even begin to comprehend. Nothing is more wonderous.

As far as we can tell, the universe started as a singularity, a tiny speck which expanded into what we have now. Whatever force the universe uses to keep itself in existence, perhaps of its own volition or perhaps not, I am inclined to believe in that. I believe in what I can see. What I can prove exists.

I am less inclined to believe the bible's narrative because anyone can make sweeping statements about anything. The bible can claim that God is eternal and all but there is no proof for it or most other claims the Bible make. I just take most of it by faith.

Yes, I agree, God is "some kind of infinite container and we as well as other finite entities are inside of It existing/experiencing life in It and through It".
But even if God is a finite container, I have no problem with that either.

KingEbukasBlog:
It seems like the universe being a deity appeals more to you than the existence of the separate conscious entity , its creator , outside it . Why is this so ?

I am partial to neither. Both of them hold equal probability of happening to me. There's just no concrete proof it is one or the other yet. But I am inclined to believing both.

And what's your take on panentheism that views the universe and its creator as one i.e the universe and its creator=God

It is evident in my first post on this thread that I believe in pantheism to a certain extent. There's just no concrete proof for it either.
But I like to believe we exist in the universe and thus in the mind of God. And each of us is a part of God. Our existence in this physical plane is for us to appreciate ourselves by forgetting our invincibility and losing ourselves to the vulnerability time brings.
Consider, u are an eternal being floating endlessly in "nothingness" the aforementioned way could be how u give yourself meaning.

Actually I agree with this. The probability of God existing precludes the existence of only one God. So if God exists then there must be more than one God.

The problem for me though is defining that plurality. Is plurality just a construct peculiar to our universe? Or could it exist outside our universe. If God is outside the universe then could God be plural? Is that even a concept there?

Perhaps God is at once singular and plural. Perhaps God is so many Gods existing together and separate too.

Perhaps the universe itself is God. And we are inside God as a way for God to express Himself. And if the universe is God then the possibility of a multiverse, and thus numerous Gods, becomes even higher.

Dalam0n:
Everything is now an allegory to most christians in the west.

Creation narrative in the bible allegory
Adam and Eve allegory
Tower of babel allegory
Noah' s flood allegory
Conquest of Canaan allegory

Everything is now becoming an allegory.

Even many Jews in Israel believe most of their stories are allegories. Only the conservative politicians hold on to fundamentalist interpretation of the Torah to whip up sentiments and rally national pride. And the Orthodox Jews who just really believe. Most of the archaelogical debunking of the story of Moses and exodus were undertaking by Israeli academics and universities.

But some backwater Nigerians wants us to believe the story 100%.

Dalam0n:
Forget them abeg. Just a few years the ago the ancient city named Troy which was believed to be a fictional city was dicovered by a group archeologists. Going by that we are then to believe that all the Greek Gods mentioned in stories about Troy are true and real. Their logic ehn? It's very tiring sometimes.

Very stupid logic they have.

Rome believed their city was founded by 2 brothers, one of them called Romulus, and both of them were raised by wolves. Because Rome was an empire and they believed in that story so it must be true. How can one not know his own history?

Just see the kind of stupid arguments these blockheads come up with.

Even the Chinese Xia dynasty is believed to be fictitious even though it is part of chinese oral and written history. Some people eh. Sense no be their friend at all.

Dalam0n:
I think this should end this discussion about Islam bla bla bla.

Them go gree? The mumu boys don dey beg meake I no talk about Islam again because them no fit counter am.