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can this thread have a poll.

The brother is the wisest decision.

Two made men is always the best option because the woman/women can rely on them but the other way round can cause troubles for the man.

This is not about not loving your wife, it is just the wisest decision.

Give it to brother, so he can be a man and find his own wife.

Take care of your wife and things will get right

The traditional roads should be reinvented with solar to absorb all the energy and convert to power.


How much, make i patronize.

video proof

abatically: I really don't get the reason for ur ranting. FIFA should pack their load and go? Pls don't make me laugh. We need FIFA, not the other way round. FIFA laid the rules but Nigeria as usual always breaking the rules, we are the ones that need to put our house together. FIFA said no government interference with fa but Nigeria govt keep interfering... So how is that fifa's fault?

Sometimes too much of patriotism makes us shy away from the truth. It is good to be patriotic but lets call a spade a spade. I only pity the young falconets and our under 17 . Nigeria govt should not deny them their opportunity so they should do the needful. As for FIFA, trust me they wont bulge. Nigerians should do the right thing for once instead of always going through the back door.

Don't find an excuse for FIFA. they would never suspend EU countries like the UK or the USA no matter what, they are only flexing because its Africa.

FIFA FIFA FIFA
how many times did i call you?

now open your ears

The BBC documentary about your top officials exposed you to the world and showed how outrageously corrupt you are.
You are being ruled by untouchable Blatter for some 20 years now and the old man still wants to contest more. is that democracy?
You bribed your vice president with a pay off when he said he will expose all of your corrupt affairs.
Now you don't want Nigeria to investigate an official in a nation were the citizens are crying that corrupt officials go unpunished.
It is not enough that your Fifa rankings are totally bulls...
many countries want a restructure of FIFA, the UK included.

[size=15pt]FIFA pack you load and go, and don't come back until you fix your house.
[/size]Black kettle pointing at another

Miss Kastina for me

FIFA is crazy and Blatter should go

I remember my first trip to the British museum, i was surprised to see so much stuff. When i got to the Benin section it was fascinating.

I don't think they should be returned. They get more exposure and well presented in various museums... infact countries should exchange this things with each other.


Original article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4544803.stm





The BBC's Africa Live asks: How important are historic artefacts to your sense of identity?

What should your government do to reclaim your country's lost treasures?

Or should we stop dwelling on the past and concentrate on sorting out the problems of the present?

Send us your comments using the form on the right - a selection of which will be published below.

And you can join the debate on the BBC Africa Live on Wednesday 18 May at 1630GMT and 1830GMT.


Museums are fun to visit when all the other elements of a quality life are firmly in place.
Ed Magana, USA
With so many survival issues to contend with, Africa really has little time to preserve and maintain her historic treasures. Leaving them where they are ensures a reminder to the West that we are alive and well and have a rich history. How many African budgets can truly be devoted to maintaining such elements of art. Can we really trust our insecure and corrupt governments to provide the necessary protection? Our immediate priority should be fighting poverty. We still lack basic stuff like food, medical facilities, good roads, jobs, good education and security. Museums are fun to visit when all the other elements of a quality life are firmly in place.
Ed Magana, USA

We Africans, especially Ethiopians, must think about the present not our past history. Everybody in the world knows Ethiopians and their famine problem. If Ethiopian government left the Axum obelisk in Rome, the Italians would always remember us and feel ashamed. After all, we beat them. The obelisk should have remained in Italy rather than bringing it here where there is no good care of treasure.
Henok, Ethiopia

Culture, civilisation and history have demographic implications. They set distinct identity and shape culture. An artefact being a derivative of a particular culture, enriches that particular culture. In some cases when the artefact attains a global fame it transcends its regional boundary.
Fantahun A Worku, USA

To see a historical and priceless artifact in a country other than its origin, displayed for view to the people of that country is an implication of an act of plunder or acquisition that occurred in the past and is still acknowledged in the present.
Abdulhussain Haamid, Skellefteå, Sweden


Why must Africans divert their attention to something less meaningful?
King Anderson Emmy Snr.
I do not understand what the fuss is all about stolen treasures. Why must Africans divert their attention to something less meaningful? We must focus on development and civilisation even if those things were returned and we lack the means to protect or maintain them they will still get lost again may be this time never to be seen again.
King Anderson Emmy Snr.

For me it is very hard to understand why some countries keep these African treasures. Is it to remind themselves that they were dominant or had a hidden intent over future colonisation? Italy gave up the Axum Obelisk not because it liked to do that but the monument had been more of embarrassment over their defeat by the Ethiopians in Adowa. Had the Italians been victorious over Ethiopia in their colonisation attempt, they would have made the obelisk part of the Mussoloni's tomb.
Mesfin, USA

Walking through the Louvre museum in Paris, I was amazed at the beauty of its collection, some of which was brought to France by enterprising individuals such as Napoleon. Do these artifacts now belong to the French government? Have the French succeeded in gaining the permission of modern nations for keeping these artifacts?
Andrea, Canada

Look how Britain is guarding Kohinoor diamond. If it was in India, it would have long gone underground and would be in the possession of a rich and uncaring antiques collector.
Shantanu, India


Would the artefacts have survived if not removed from Africa?
LB, Australia
Two factors need to be articulated in this question: Would the artefacts have survived if not removed from Africa? And with the corruption and poverty, would most of Africa afford to keep delicate items secure? Perhaps the answer is yes, but for now, maybe the world's museums should be "caretakers" for Africa. At least the art works are safe, secure and under significant lock and key.
LB, Australia

Why is the world becoming so politically correct ? Personally I feel that the more developed countries should keep the treasures in trust until African countries can prove they can look after themselves, otherwise they'll be at risk of destruction and everyone in the world would loose out.
Mark Smith, New Zealand

It infuriates me when people take Africans for fools. There is a saying that Africa is the cradle of civilisation, yet we have nothing to show or proof for it. The legacies that our forefathers left us were stolen. We walk around blind because we do not remember where we came from so we have no idea where we are going.
Uti, USA


One must consider where these objects can be best viewed by the maximum number of people.
Dave Jones, UK
Perhaps we should give back some of the treasures which were taken. It needs to be done carefully though, for the following reasons: Do you in Africa have modern secure museums to display these artifacts? These things are important cultural objects for all humanity and not just for one culture - one must consider where these objects can be best viewed by the maximum number of people. Aren't you opening a pandora's box here - should the Louvre museum in France give back the Mona Lisa painted by an Italian? By having these objects in other countries it enables them to see and develop an interest in other cultures - which should promote greater understanding in the world.
Dave Jones, UK

Africa is like a continent with no history because a lot has been stolen, we need to give them back. It's difficult to identify all stolen treasures but we can give back through Development Aid. There has been a lot of untold miseries the West have done to Africa e.g. slavery and colonialism.
Kenneth Kachimanga, Denmark

I believe the right thing to do is to return the "stolen" goods. Having said that, I believe that such historical artefacts and heritage must be preserved for subsequent generations to appreciate, so it is incumbent that the rightful owners have a system in place so that the items can be well-cared-for. Just asking for the items back and then "losing" them again would just be unfair.
Salman A, Asian from Africa living in UK


For now I think that these treasures should remain in the care of the West.
Larry, USA
Yes, Africa should get their treasures back but only after most African nations improve their governments and economies. Look what happened after the Iraqi liberation, thousands of priceless antiques were looted or destroyed. So for now I think that these treasures should remain in the care of the West.
Larry, USA

We the people of Africa, of all the things, need our conscience back. Our continent was robbed and raped in broad daylight by the Western imperialists on a massive proportion. They stole away from us not only our treasures but also our very own spirit, our roots and identity as as a people. Our heritage is indispensable, and there is no price tag to assign it. We ask back what is rightfully ours!
Michael Kimpur, Kenyan in USA

We wouldn't have known the value of these things if they weren't taken away. How well are Africans taking care of the ones not stolen from them? Go to historical places and our museums and you will have the answer!
Siegfried Gbadago, Ghana

The current rulers of Africa have proven that they are incapable of even feeding and providing the most basic forms of education for their poor. Why should historical treasures be placed under the responsibility of individuals who have proved time and again how unfit they are to govern?
Neil, UK

We should stop dwelling on the past no matter how treasured it may be, particularly in the current computer age! Today, Africa is engulfed with problems of all kinds and our deepest concern should and must be how best the West can come to the aid of the Africans to fight these problems.
Joe Noutoua Wandah, A Liberian in Ghana

Many African artefacts and treasures are symbols of Africa's rich heritage and traditions and cultures. British and France are the leading looters of many Africa heritage symbols and treasures. African governments should go after their stolen treasures in many European museums and advocate for their return.
Yussuf Dayib Ali, Kenya

Having seen the terrible state of many museums in India, and since we are talking about African States with their problems of instability and corruption, just like India, it's highly debatable whether there would be any benefit of returning these items. There is a chance they would just be stolen, lost or damaged.
Jai Singh, UK


We should stop dwelling on the past and concentrate on sorting out the problems of the present.
Darius Ndyomugyenyi, Uganda
Both physical and mental treasures were stolen from our beautiful continent Africa. However, we should stop dwelling on the past and concentrate on sorting out the problems of the present. Governments should start implementing their developmental talking by using what was left and is available.
Darius Ndyomugyenyi, Uganda

Though I would like to see artifacts return to Africa, I would say there must be re-assurances that they would be properly taken care of. Look at Egypt, its museum is almost falling apart due to lack of funding and refuses the aid of any Western influence.
Alexander Winchester, UK

It is about time that the looters start a move in returning whatever they looted to whom they belong. The cost of returning those treasures should be borne by those who illegally acquired them.
Berhe, UK

On this point I would go further to say that the countries that have stolen these treasures should also be liable to pay damages for the loss of revenue as a result of these items being absent from the countries of origin, and this could go towards ensuring the artefacts are taken good care of.
Nana Kwansah, London, UK

In as much as we need our treasurers for our identity we may as well look at the resources needed to bring these artefacts back home. We may need to use those resources for national development. Africa has a lot of issues that need to be addressed first before we reclaim what is ours. The foreign exchange used to bring the Obelisk to Addis Ababa could have been used to feed many hungry Africans.
Jamaica Tongowona, Zimbabwe

Brazil should just leave the field

Ibadan State

Pure Nonsense.

In this day and age you really don't need a paper certificate to know more than many of the so called professors..

Ask google

Some data can be recovered except the picture for now.


step 1 - go on google
step 2 - type - Ibadan Of Rust And Gold. The Politics, Economy And Cityscape
step 3 - click on the tiny arrow next to it and choose cached..

Who do you think hacked Nairaland?
zeroing in on the hackers,

I suspect Levick
GEJ's Pr firm - http://levick.com/practices/corporate-reputation

other suspects
APC - E-warriors
PDP
USA

Some Religious Fanatics annoyed by some thread

Hackers trying to prove a point like
https://forum.intern0t.org/general-hacking-discussions/1296-nairaland-unhackable.html

Bribed staff of the Server Host

One of this hacked Nairaland


APC
PDP
USA

Some Religious Fanatics

Hackers trying to prove a point like
https://forum.intern0t.org/general-hacking-discussions/1296-nairaland-unhackable.html

Staff of the Server Host

Of all the threads that disappeared due to the hack... this is one that i miss the most.

Over 200 pages of hard labour by so many people.
Can we bring this back to life, back to reality.


Update: you can get pictures and content form Skyscrapercity thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=595245&page=7

Who agrees?

Nigeria is supposed to be a great Nation with so many great citizens scattered around the world.


but come next year you will be asked to vote again
and then you will have to choose between two poor options

Its just sad.

A lot of people are saying Nairaland was hacked
what you realy should be saying is that you have been hacked because it is your own emails, and data at stake

but you cannot put the blame on Nairaland management
The truth is anything can be hacked

Ebay was hacked and millions of user data stolen
FBI was hacked
White house was hacked

Countries are hacking each other
China is hacking the USA
USA is hacking it own people PRISM


Be careful of what you say or do online, you never can tell who is watching
use a disguise(an avatar) if you really want to be free online

The internet is not as it used to be anymore.... its not free anymore

The saddest thing is that the government has not been able to identify or point accusing fingers at any sponsors of Boko Haram
even though they claim to know.

They should name and shame.

See the way the USA quickly to identified Bin Laden and even wrongly Saddam... at least they identified an enemy.

Taking a deeper look into the daily bombings going on in Nigeria,
It seems they are trying to create unrest in Nigeria.

3 bombings in a single day that cuts across 3 states from the top to the middle and to the bottom of Nigeria.


It is a mystery.
Who the F is funding this evil and expensive campaign?
Why kill innocent market men and women and kidnap children?


It seems the religious masqueraders are a disguise for a sinister mission...



Oh lord help us, help your people, deliver us from the hands of the enemy. Let them be ashamed and put into confusion that desire our wrath.

If Fela was alive one can only imagine what songs he would be singing about the present day Nigeria


Not far fetched title

BOKOCRAZY

akonucheinfo: Your prediction is so childish, no wonder your thread is empty.

Mtcheew and for record, please don't tagged me as 1st to comment, cos I don't want! Not on this thread lol

you don't have to rant when you are drunk on garri, let it digest first..


btw make your own matured predictions and lets see!

If APC should loose the forth coming election that will be a shame

APC vs PDP https://www.nairaland.com/1583433/apc-vs-pdp-election

Presidential Candidate
Vice Presidential Candidate = Result


For APC
Buhari Tinubu = Win
Tinubu Buhari = Lose

Fashola Buhari = Win
Buhari Fashola = Win

Fashola Ribadu = Lose
Ribadu Fashola = Lose


Any other combination Loose


For PDP
Any combination is a potential winner

Having said all of this, I hope GEJ continues for the simple reason that he is a bit O.K.. Just not a great orator. He is not a magician to fix all of Nigeria's problems which is mainly the PEOPLE!
It will be a total waste if he does not fix his own Delta State because it really can be a once in a century opportunity to have a minority like him ruling Nigeria, especially one from the oil reach food basket of the nation that as been exploited for so long.

The desperation of all the old folks at APC is a bit suspicious...
If Buhari should win, there will be discipline and caution but Nigeria's economy might suffer due to due process and fear

There needs to be a loose cannon somewhere if there is to be a boom like during Soludo's days(and you can compare it to Sanusi's days of lay offs)...


My favourite ultimate presidential candidate is Fashola!

Don't waste your time fighting about this...

The real winners are the Oyinbos that sold this at way more than its value.

This Yatch used to be next to Excel centre with not much going on with it... but its a shame though,
it used to be of great sighting and very white and clean.. was surprised and impressed when i learnt that it was bought and taken to Lagos.. but when i saw it in Lagos rotten away, it was a shame!

is there a subliminal message there...

..s All A L..

??

genius stuff, well done

generated codes can get you any amount.

but now you can only get the N400 code and all the standard values on the site

Desmond Elliot doing voice over


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z24Hpn35Dc