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All they have to do is put the original developer's copyright statement there or pay him so its moral if legal seems over the top.

Aside that, there's really nothing wrong choosing to have your own information platform.

Funny though - these claims of "twitter" crashing etc

@Jo

Nice you explained this AGAIN and nice "newmi" sees your explanation as QED.

But this explanation does NOT tally with your explanation the last time Abi you don forget wetin you talk THAT time?

So its NOT QED.

@fyneguy:

pray for mental and spiritual light to come into your pastor idol life and that he has a true encounter with Christ. Him, it is that thinks he knows Christ and I'm at that level of direct connection. You on the other hand, want a proxy server connection which is why you're seeking a god down here.

Happy new year to everyone. May God's Desires for us AND those ALONE come to pass. What is within His Will for us will be ours in 2011, IJN.

You no dey fear?

You are questioning your Oga? Have you EVER seen him question The Chairman before?

You are obviously a spiritual vagabond and need deliverance and better mentoring.

Ask Jo for it or read every thread on NL in search for it. . Maybe you'll learn a little about how many such "embarrassments" occurred

Nukeboy will not dance for you and if you were not just looking to make trouble, you'd realize nobody could make up that sequence above and have the accused say "OK, can we have peace now?". I never insinuated they were sleeping together and in fact till today, still "think" they are the same person. "drmightie" and "kenyan28" (also of CE) did the same so I honestly think that is more likely.

Rather than do your business and allow peace, you all come out against any form of dissent (Make we no talk?) which is why people show these things. I can never be happy to hear "dirty" things about ANY supposed Christian but when you call me out, I will stand my ground and show you up. But your way then is to say - he is saying bad things. Well, which is worse - you living in the gutter or me pointing it out to you?

So go get yourself an education on CE gaffes and read every thread in this section. Ok well, let me make it easier - read stuff affiliated to SirJohn and chris oyakilome.

[size=18pt] OK Sirs[/size]

Joagbaje:
Pèlé . . .Shey  we can rest now. . .

@Joagbaje

Thank you. At least you acknowledge I didn't make it up like your newmi wanted it to seem. Basically then, its not what you were or were NOT doing that matters to him but me saying anything has to be complained and whined about

Yes, enjoy your thread but no false teachings please. Keep your marketing in the "middle" so its not too offensive. We can't tell you not to do your business

@e36991:

Apologies but I WILL MAKE this point

@Oga Madam:

What question did he ask? That his english is indecipherable. By the way, one thing he said that is funny is that I suggested you and Jo-boy were sleeping together. I didn't suggest it - Jo did. What happened is this

1. Mabell posted AS joagbaje
2. When called out because people thought mabell and Jo were the same person, he said he forgot to log out and so you used his account
3. It was used really REALLY late at night
4. And he also used it late that night
5. Many people on NL then wondered how come you two were together in the middle of the night under the same roof using the each others "accounts"
6. That was what I referred to

So you people wish that kept quiet and thus start to attack nuclearboy. But nuke pass all of you PLUS your oga because truth remains truth

Meanwhile, one easy way to know truth is that it does not muzzle. Here is how it works - You state your case and I state mine AND the reader is allowed to make their choices.

The religious establishment tried to discredit Christ - They said He was a demon possessed. They said HE was deluded. They said He was a sinner. They were angry at His painful "TRUE" Words. They tried to quiet Him when they saw HE would not come over to their side. They eventually killed the Lord of Glory. TO THEIR OWN LOSS!

Todays religious ESTABLISHMENT says we are NOT Christians but obnoxious and filthy. They say our words are not "conformist". They say we are spiritual vagabonds (but their master too is caught by their words). They are angry at our words and cannot but foam at the mouth. They cannot allow other view points to be seen so they always seek to discredit and muzzle so that truth cannot be seen. But IT WILL BE THEIR LOSS!

Whats the difference between you and your ancestors? And whats the difference between how you handle truth and how they did?

Observing quietly and reading responses on this thread, it starts to seem everyone has accepted (to one extent or the other) the argument so patiently set forth by particularly DeepSight but individuals egos are causing a very gradual fall-back. Sort of like an army withdrawing slowly or asking for concessions so as not to lose face.

I think NOT rubbing "victory" (whatever that means) in will make the transition faster.

Just my thoughts.

Very VERY amusing thread and getting more amusing by the second. What did miss Jo say? rubbished? yes now, which is why like a half dozen of you are doing nothing but trying desperately to quiet one person and not succeeding? Which is why "slowpoke-in-the-pews" is repeating the same post over and over in apoplectic mindless rage? Or is it to put as much space as possible between the information above that shows your CE as a travesty of God's Word?

All this noise making, this slobbering spit-induced demonic howling just because you people are not being allowed to market your master??

But I told you - truth is only for a few who have a calling - to leave Babylon the LovePeddler. To leave YOU!

So you will still have your myriad members. But you will be called by your names - hypocrites, generation of vipers, white washed sepulchres, lovers of money, idolaters and cannot hide behind a finger. And I still maintain - your master should have found people worthwhile to employ to launder his dying image but since he worships "money" (also known as Baal), he found the cheapest, daftest most motley collection of thugs and easy band to send here. Keep your money which is all you're after but you will not have a name better than that of your forbears. You are Babylon the LovePeddler

Anyways, this motley band will all soon be replaced by more intelligent people but even then, truth will always win

Amusing thread. All the log out as "abc" then log back in as "123"! Isn't it obvious that nobody can exist ONLY to support others asking the same questions they've asked in the past WITHOUT being the same person? I have a pastor - Christ. I have a church - the body of Christ, the "called-out" ones - told to come out of babylon so as not to share her woes.

Your babylonian idol (notice the small letter i) should have gotten more intelligent people as his marketers. But then, he's not likely too intelligent himself; just a greedy vain well-tutored showman.

Satan loves attention!

Very true - which is why we see him being celebrated and his variation of the gospel being marketed on NL. Like this thread, his name is pushed forth as an angel of light.

God's day approaches and both satan and his worshippers/venerators will find perdition.

I am a member of the body of Jesus - gives me the right to be LIKE Jesus and tell the truth.

You on the other hand, do not support Jesus. Your only allegiance is to your chris who is definitely not Jesus. Therefore it is you that is against Godly authority, are corrupted, set up and destined for destruction. Your book of erRORs is a scorner of God's Word because the Words of God are not for ANY private interpretation talkless that of a vain jeri-curled man who had no pastor and thus is a spiritual vagabond as your own jo stated. It is you that scoff at us, the children of the living God because we do not follow the idols you follow and just as your ancestry scoffed at Christ, you today (with your mouth) claim Him but with your actions and life, disclaim and reject the Risen Lord.

Your itching ears and your god - your tummies control you and ensure you have no conscience, respect or consideration for God. You CANNOT hide behind a finger, dude, cos none of us is sure all of you are not just the same person dancing about supporting self. At least we know you sleep together so maybe you're just the one single character earning his pay.

So now the judge says tis me that judges simply because its the CE pastor at stake? How convenient!

And of course, standard recourse - I am not "showing" love

So when Moses stood against Pharaoh (idol worshipper), he was showing hate
So when Elijah stood against the prophets of baal, he was showing hate
So when Jeremiah stood against the idolaters that were the "priests" of Israel, he was showing hate
So when Jesus Himself called the respected MOGs "hypocrites", "white washed sepulchres", "a generation of vipers", He too was showing hate

I think I'll make my tent with these "haters" and not use oily acceptable words that people love to hear and clap/cheer to

TRUTH (WHICH IS ALWAYS TOUGH AND BITTER) IS LOVE and those who tell it are never friends with the establishment. Deal with it

@Joagbaje:

Talk to your boy/alter-ego. His position seems to be to rile your opposition so that whist we respond to him, you are able to seem "professional" and keep passing your messages across. Of course, we get the reputation of being "angry", bitter", etc whist you seem level-headed and the teacher of the word. Nice organizational strategy worthy of satan and his angels trying to ensure they retain control of the world/muguns under them.

But Christianity is about "election". God CHOSE and gave some to Christ and they "belong" to Him regardless since He never loses any of His. So those for whom truth will always stand will always see through battle-plans and strategies of the enemy. The others do not matter anyway since they are children of perdition carrying about itchy ears which have what they want to hear whether true or not.

Plus rather than now trying to stop truth by changing topic again, why not address the above - are those FOR God not to be found obeying Christ? Did He not say take the Gospel to the ends (rather than return it to where it came from)? Satellite TV? If China does not allow physical churches, is it televised preaching they will allow over their airwaves? Who are we fooling when we say "we are spreading it through satellite tv? Is it those whose families are suffering because of the Gospel that I should support/help or those who NOBODY would have known but who are enjoying because of their gospel that I should "help"?

So again I say - talk to your compatriot offline. He can keep on trying to sell "the business" to others but where I come in, he should avoid me. I do not post for the degenerate but for God's Own who are still searching. Such are not many so you will still have many under you.

^^ Hubris as usual - since he has nothing to say to the issues placed forth, hypocrite tries to change the issue by asking yet another question. But I will humor you for the sake of those reading.

Hundreds of MOG exist IN THE MINISTRY. Hundreds more exist outside of direct ministry. In the ministryt are people in the mission fields who gave up a life dedicated to seeking wealth and comfort and are missionaries in villages, the bush and in atheist/muslim communities. The Gospel came from the western world and is being spread to places where it has NOT been preached by TRUE men of God.

Many of these men convert and direct into living churches which often are small, not money or societal based and definitely not to be found on satellite tv. Then they move forward into other areas. Many die without society celebrating them but they are satisfied because they want the praise of God not that of men. The Bible tells us that such should live off the Gospel because they minister to it else how would their families, children and dependants survive? Those who have died - would it be right that as fellow christians, we allow their children become the dregs of the system? When they are away spreading the call of Jesus, should their families starve?

So true christians (who give for the Gospel and not use it as a prop to make money or to try to blackmail God into blessing them) see such MEN FOR GOD and support them. Interestingly, most of such people are very humble and will usually be content with very little and we have to force them to accept help at times- they remind you of Paul saying effectively "I work for my living rather than sponge off others".

But YOUR own definition of men of God is "smooth talkers" who see the Gospel as a means to make money. Your shepherds take from their sheep. Your MOG's live fat off the leanness of their followers. They say they are spreading the gospel and take it back to the US and the UK from whence it came. They are a "type" of King Saul - their burdens are very high on the people, they take a tenth of their income and they use the best as slaves to their own ambition.

So now, I've answered - call me a boy in 13 languages, say I am an enemy, change the topic again, worship the business-man that jeri curls his hair when the Bible tells EVEN women to clothe themselves with modesty and show us all your lack of truth. BUT you again have failed and this post will prick the heart of somebody who is sane and sees the comparision between MEN who are truly FOR GOD and those you wish us to think are men of God.

Thank you Sir and wishes for a great 2011 to you and family. Giving these people chapter and verse makes no difference - they believe only pastors can understand God's word and so, they prefer to read ROR. Her idea was to create white space and try to "discredit" using the emotional saying - "you're not showing love". Just like their ancestors tried to make Christ look "bad" by saying "He made Himself equal to God".

Teeth gnashing is only just starting on NL - some will do worse to themselves with the way truth will be revealed in the coming days.

Again you name "nuclearboy" - And I did tell you not to make me your idol, didn't I? I don't like it.

Long before NL existed, I acknowledged I was a sinner, acknowledged the saving Grace and sacrifice of the Lord Jesus and asked that He be captain of my life. I ALSO DECIDED THAT TRUTH would be my way, no matter whose Ox was gored or what it costs me.

I realised that the Apostles of Christ and EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE of a Christian in the Word of God did not financially profit from the Gospel and in fact lost their livelihoods, friends and in many cases, their lives for the Gospel. I made SUCH CHRISTIANS my mentors - people who gave for God, not took from others using His Name as an excuse.

Interestingly, though you matter little, my 1st paragraph above fulfills your conditions. So why not take your own advice and stop condemning another's servant. My master is able to handle me

^^ "They SOUND ugly & from a bitter heart".

Judge lysaa:

Go read about God - He looks upon the heart and not how something sounds or looks else He wouldn't have chosen David and maybe would not have "Elect" rather than the "claimed salvation" you evidence by speaking rubbish and jeri curling men's hair. The Bible is so available and makes it clear - many of your "mighty" men of God WILL SAY "we did great things in your (Jesus) Name" and Jesus will point them to their resting place (perdition) and send them along with the words "I NEVER KNEW YOU, WORKERS OF INIQUITY"!

So whether it SOUNDS nice or not to your itching ears is not the point. Jesus Words never sounded nice to hypocrites or the religious establishment who wanted it their way rather than God's Way. What sounds nice is found on the broad way, not the narrow way.

^^ truth is that it is you and ur jerry curl wearing dolt that need rehab and has a mental problem. For who is insane aside he that feels he can usurp God and create his own gospel to suit his pocket?

No wonder the madam took her kids and ran for her life - so the anti-truth spirit would not enter her kids. But appearances are Ok, so the allowance is not cut off

Merry xmas to you too, my dear brother Joagbaje.

Sadly, you have chosen the shameful & ignoble path of perverting the Gospel for personal profit but I wish you and mr oyakilome a yuletide in which God displays His Self to you and corrects your paths. Happy new year

@newmumu:

God asked Israel to kill idolaters such as you knowing your ears and eyes never hear or see NEITHER seek truth. Your idolatry is patented, cemented and laminated. No one wishes your death today so I'll just ignore you and hope the mercy of God be upon your sorry bleached bottom and jeri curled hair.

^^^ Your desire remains to muzzle all contrary opinions to those attributed to mr chris oyakilome? There was an assertion and FROM THE BIBLE, I stated examples that DIRECTED contradicted the postulations set out. To you that is derailment?

You need to get an education in how dissents are handled - show scripture to support your case rather than try to muzzle or shut others up

^^^ Wait for your response, hypocritical coffin.

Your ancestors crucified Christ then later killed His followers so I'm not suprised at your desire something be done to muzzle the truth. For why state we'd be impressed then now complain cos we're not.

Each wicked thought, murder, lie, crime you commit only shows the true motives you have and the state of your heart. Every servant of God in the Bible was an enemy to the religious establishment of their day and so, we expect your pharisees of today to be angry and afraid of criticism. Like in Jesus time, what you want is to be "Ogas".

Continue, but go learn to communicate better first. You addressed me and kunle then jumped to moderators without a pause or coherence.

^^^

Did you never see ants build a colony?
Or a Pride of Lions set up a hunt and spring a trap?
The cunning of hyenas?
A rodent that examines a trap then walks off in a huff at your attempt to catch it?

Not only humans exhibit intelligence

^^ Yep, talk is cheap but FRUITS are real.

So what are the fruits -
Paul BOASTED IN THE LORD. He was and remains a giant cutting across denominations, cults, sects, whatever. He has been quoted by Jim Jones, the Man responsible for Waco, billions of honest and dishonest people. The mark he has made is felt everyday but when you take his words, you see support for the absolute majesty of the Lord God. So yes, he did have the right to boast. And when he spoke in tongues, people heard in their own languages what he said. We see his fruit everywhere today.

Paul is not remembered for doing the "barabarracudafishstewriceandbeansisverysweet yemamama" rubbish that is meant to solicit excitement without the backing of the Spirit of God. He never asked for a "prophetic" gift nor did he accept "offer 7" that worsened the lot of the poor and swelled the purse of the rich. Can you show one person who stole to bless Paul? When someone kept back what initially belonged to him, the power of God in Peter showed just how much trust/power was invested in him.

But we have this gangster like, cultism like motley collection of the most depraved people in society. Driving past a noisy record store weeks back, one "Saint Janet" singing some of the most explicit lyrics I've heard since the days of the "2 live crew", discussed the fruits she saw of three churches. Even with my aversion to CE theology, I was ashamed to hear such. Yet the refrain remains "we are becoming bigger", "growing stronger" "US$35M is chicken change". As if its not "supposedly great ministers who "supposedly" did great things in His Name that Christ said He'd tell "I never knew you workers of iniquity". As if christ didn't speak of the wheat and chaff growing together - reason being the chaff so resembles the wheat that only at harvest can they be easily separated.

When a man comes out and claims he wants to show he or someone else is right, he has invited criticism. Only thieves, criminals or those who have skeletons to hide do not wish critique.

God is about motives and truth, not what you try to portray on the outside.

All of you including your marketing manager have stated on NL that your pastor is misunderstood, humble etc. Jo went further to say he presents us excerpts from the speeches pastor made so we might see the depth, power and understanding inherent in the teaching. He thus challenged us to consider and see if we would not be impressed. Some have been quite nice.

But, the original post above is vapid & boastful and I am not impressed. Matter of fact, nobody on this thread who is not a member of CE seems impressed.

I deliberately listed the "giants" in God's Word. They ALL faced ups and downs. ALL OF THEM. Interestingly, their ups were heavenly whist their downs were earthly. From Abraham who willingly denied rights to his wife to Moses who with all his service and obvious greatness had issues to the Lord Himself to the fore-runners of todays Gospel. Paul (whom you scream owns this Covenant) wondered what his gain was to be with all the suffering, trials and tribulations here if his hope in eternity was ill advised. That he said, because eternity is the Christians' "UP". Life here in effect, was as it were, a total down for him. Thats was Paul - the only one you people seem to respect saying "MY HOPE IS HEAVEN BASED AS I AM NOT OKAY HERE ON EARTH". But you could disprove me and show Paul's rewards on earth the way you people usually explain rewards - cash, dominion, power, maybe even jeri curls and the best suits.

So when you come at me saying your life is upwards/forwards only, seems you too went like Jesus into the wilderness. But when deal time came, you took the kingdoms of this world from the guy who waits when you come down the mountain.

Thats why boasting of capabilities is not good - it puts you under scrunity aside of being something God hates.

So all of you could clap for yourselves and do the solidarity thing concerning this poison - it impresses nobody else apparently. So please register a few more IDs and let the single and under 10 post people come in to scream how "enlightened" they were. No one is fooled.

Zikkyy:
Lucky chap.

@Zikky:

You're kidding, right?

Look at -->
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Elijah, John the Baptist, Christ Himself, the 12 Disciple Apostles, Paul - show me one who had [size=13pt]no downs[/size].
Plus, "Whom the Lord loves, He [size=13pt]reproves[/size]".
Plus "God refines His Own in the [size=13pt]furnace of Affliction[/size]"

Lets look however at Lazarus's Rich man - no downs, only upwards and forwards
Lets look at Herod - for his selfish purposes, wipe out children. And no downs, just up and fore
Lets look at Babylon the Queen -- "As a queen, I sit and shall know no evil"
Lets look at the Emperor Caligula - enjoyment personified

An unwitting confession, if you ask me.

DeepSight ALWAYS discredits his own arguments CONCERNING Christ because they are based on hatred/anger/denial rather than truth. Why would you show logic concerning everything except Christ?

So here's a science major (Inesqor) trouncing you at "law" just because you see red at the mention of Christ and thus refuse to use truth backed by your thinking cap? If he wasn't bothered enough to research and refute your words, your deliberately "false" argument would have seemed the truth.

Yet you always wish people believe your search for truth is honest.

I remain puzzled anyone would wonder at mazaje's statement.

Mazaje remains a very fair, straight forward atheist who is always willing to consider the evidence and arguments. I suspect a lot of trauma must have gone into his choices to date but remain of the belief that if those who believe they hold the truth do truly hold the truth and can show it, he will listen and consider.

These are of the generations that seek truth rather than those who twist it for personal profit.

@thehomer:

You refuse to return - ought we consider that acknowledgement that your beliefs are mired in quicksand and suddenly obvious?

^^ But Pastor Homer has answered your queries, Deep. Why would you require more explanation. The MOG (cos his faith is GREAT) says --- >

They just found themselves in existence like pure energy before yet after time and have no counterpart aside themselves. Both eternal and temporal, they started of themselves yet converted due to the demands of "nature" which didn't exist then and which could not create energy but converts one type to other for its life-chain to be sustained.

I know many arguments put forward by theists can be ridiculous but this circular tarradiddle (as Lord Viaro would say), takes the entire cake.

I start to think atheists should be compelled to defend their position more often. What has been the norm is they come without boundaries swinging wildly when truth be told, the only reason why they insist on having any bulwark of trust behind them is so they avoid showing the rancor and emptiness they depend on. Under the bluff, its a belief system based on much less reality/observation and science than the position of the theist.

thehomer:
What magic?

You are very adept at sleight of hand, Sir and I will point some obvious examples out from the following

thehomer:
You have not presented anything that may be considered as truth.

One liners that simply state - I have made up my mind and do not wish to be confused by facts.

thehomer:
It's not that wild.

Lets say Ok then, its a bit wild. And that is what you base your belief system upon?

thehomer:
This is a bad analogy because the universe is not like a vehicle.

Sleight of hand - NOTHING can be compared to the universe. Why? You have NO idea. But still insist - nothing is like this universe. Whats the difference between the universe and my hard-disk? You don't know YET nothing is like the universe.

thehomer:
Universe-like objects are objects such as the universe which had pure energy prior to the commencement of time. Of which we know of one such object which is this universe.

Another example would be WHAT? How do you come up now with "pure" energy and a "time" prior to the commencement of "time". This is becoming rather childish and ridiculous, isn't it? Now there is "pure" energy. And that "pure" energy existed before time in what? A void? Do you read what you type? Your words repeatedly contradict themselves and the best you come back with is "bad analogy", "implied insults" and the like.

thehomer:
Yes that energy state was already existent but that does not make the state eternal because we are obviously not in that state currently. So, what we can say is that the energy of the universe (not matter or time) may be eternal. With better evidence, I'll be able to get better results. Though there are other hypotheses, this seems to be more consistent.

The energy "MAY" be eternal. But above, its not eternal but only was present in its apparently "pure" form at the big bang. And when you say we are not YET in that state currently, what do you mean? Eternity is from always to forever but here you state we've not started it? WTF?

thehomer:
I don't think it is a good strategy to keep holding on to beliefs with evidence to the contrary or with poor evidence supporting them. What I'm saying does have scientific basis. If you do not agree, then please point out the contradictions.
If you actually do have a better more coherent analysis and result, I will change my mind but so far, you've not demonstrated this.

Brief summary from your words above alone (not going further back) --- >> You believe in NO eternity. You still believe however, that time is timeless AKA eternal because energy "always" existed. You insist nothing is like the universe but cannot tell why the universe is different from everything else. In effect, you don't know why it is different yet you insist it is different. Then you say eternity hasn't started.

You have NO evidence about "pure" energy.
You have NO evidence about it existing at this big bang.
You have NO evidence that this supposed big bang ever happened.
You have NO evidence that the universe had this "pure" energy prior to the commencement of time
You even have NO evidence about timelessness since you believe there was a startpoint.

Yet you can complain about "poor evidence". Interesting

@thehomer:

Please lets stop the twisting and "magic" - I thought that was reserved for our business MOGs.

You state and I quote "there are various possibilities one of which is that it may not have had to "come" from anywhere or anything. It may just be a state in which universe-like objects exist." UNQUOTE.

This means naught and is hedging personified. The best anyone can give you for this is you have decided that no matter what, you will not accept truth.

Else,

[1] its just a possibility? You base your belief systems on wild conjecture?
[2] It may not have come or started from anywhere? Yeah, like the vehicle you drive just appeared, right?
[3] What state do "universe-like objects" exist in? What are "UNIVERSE-LIKE OBJECTS"? Are you making this up as you go?
[4] This state is "already existent from time(s)" i.e. eternal or "commenced sometime" i.e. had a start. This was what I pointed out and compared to your earlier statements. You still haven't told us which side on THAT divide you are on?

Its not a crime to say "I decided to hold on to my beliefs regardless of proof". Many theists do same. But seems the desire is to show US as deluded and you as "knowledgable/scientific/etc" - a patent sorry falsehood. The above is your BELIEF SYSTEM and you haven't defended it well.

Where did that "scientific energy" energy come from?

@thehomer:

Shifting the goal post does not help your position. You only suggest an inability to find suitable arguments to buttress your position when you respond thus.

One liners mean nothing. I could just simply say you've contradicted yourself and thus are deluded. This would elicit a response requiring me to show the delusion. But I showed that IN ADVANCE and your retort is what? Plenty of white space that says nothing.

Did you or did you not state that energy was present at the big bang?

So where did it come from? If it WAS PRESENT AT THAT START/COMMENCE of time, it becomes eternal (coming from "before" time). If it was not, then it was NOT there at the big bang which you have asserted here. Your assertions, your problem - time will not mask these. So decide and let us know which position it is you follow. Its your own words.