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See level, my Sister!

Preferential treatment in the house of God and for what reason? - Financial reward

And this same God that makes light shine upon all and rain also upon all.

Judgment day will arrive

Come to think of it - newMumu is right - Joagbagje should win RELIGIOUS poster of the year. If moderators will allow a recant, I wish to remove "Aletheia" who is definitely not RELIGIOUS and replace a truly respected name with that of the Pharisee in Chief - Jo-boy and have as second nominee, the man worshipper - NEWMU

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Why waste time spending it waiting on such when you know the "vacuity"? You can find out more on the dude easy and twill inform that his scam is of such a level that he likely won't drop it.

Sad to see the gates of hell coming against Christ's Church from inside. BUT it confirms He knew why He warned.

Send me a mail (lost your addr) and I'll put together the stuff you wanted on the species I still keep

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And you, deserve to be given another name - "New-Mumu". Seems I'm more important than your idols cos you mention me in every post.

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Ineluctable? Purposeful assertion? Perforce? inferential? Vox Populi? Moot? Dead on arrival? INCONTESTIBLE? ?

Well, if nothing else, he has 'damaged' your english and I can't help but wonder where the "dictionary" link will be placed on this section

@e36991:

I actually knew "COG" -? Church of God.

Just wondered at the choice of words and asked clarification because it was Ogajim writing and I know his marbles are well rounded.

@Ogajim:

Since when did the true "COG" believe "a “Man of God” as being a prophet that has special God-given discernment and anointing, knows the “mind of God”, etc OR that his authority is not to be questioned, and his interpretation of scripture is infallible".

I would call that the "Worshippers of Pastors" (WOP). Wish I could find a way to make that say "WIMPS".

^^ Basically, you're saying with Jo, its like physics - go forward 3 then return 3 = NO work done.

1. Aletheia
2. Aletheia

The 5 people who are number 3 know themselves but rules removing Jesoul from competition make all 5 guys number 2.

what is "COG"?

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We saw, were pained and sympathised long before you knew. And your sympathy is so fake coming now when you find nothing in your defence and thus seek emotional foundation to seem humane. When he was here, you people pushed such to believe God was non-existent or evil because of your character. Your crocodile tears move nobody and believe it - the blood of many will be requested of you.

Try another tactic. But it too won't work.

Chei Toba:

Na wah for you O. I'm supposed to be LIKE not HIM. Anyways, all is a joke. I just cannot handle the thought of a man who will not hesistate to destroy the Name of Ages because of a Jeep. Please use Jo-boy as your candidate so he knows we love him. We only hate the avarice, manipulation, greed and lies he stands for.

ok. Which means you're okay with me calling such people "generation of vipers", "white washed coffins", "hypocrites" etc just like Christ did so I can be Christlike and tell the truth?

Fine by me. But that's what I've been doing

Mazaje is too kind. You remain one person I've always found a great deal of respect for here because I see conviction, deep thoughts (even if biased against Christianity) and a high dose of intelligence rather than just belligerence. I think you overestimate me though

@Toba:

When will you see the truth and drop all else? When did truth become "us" versus "them"? You want me to support every "christian" because they claim that name, ehn? Which means you'd have me support satan if he says he's a christian. Abi you recognise him and thus will know him if he claims to be a MOG? Have you forgotten "Satan is himself transformed into an angel of light?" Or you think he'll come from outside the church? Better go study some more & you'll find Christ's greatest enemies are INSIDE the church.

Your disagreement with mazaje - .Who lied to you that an award like this can ever mean anything to me? Why do you think I bother with Joagbaje and ANYONE mis-representing Christianity more than I bother with non-believers? Is it because you think I want friends? Has it ever crossed your mind that it is our mis-representing Christ that is driving people away from truth? Imagine outsiders coming in but then finding themselves poisoned from inside. Please O - NEVER support me when I fight lies. I went past that need for "friendship" long ago and am not a cultist.

One issue - even through your defence of Jo-boy, you didn't mention him. Tells a lot about your level of respect for him. I'd have thought he'd be both number 1 and 2 you propose.

^^ Sir:

You are right (after a fashion). But please remember that Satan needs just a little poison or dilution to achieve his intents. The difference can truly seem subtle but that makes all the difference. Imagine us giving to charity and helping society. Imagine us solving the troubles of the poor in our midst. Imagine us foregoing the giant cathedrals that glorify man. Imagine the billboards that cost millions and what that money could do if applied rightly, to the down-trodden of the earth. If we actually help the poor to school, could we not be saving ourselves from future criminals or what are we breeding when children go hungry and see supposed "men of a LOVING God" living big when they can't even feed? Are we not hardening these children and telling them we AND God do not care? Do you show value to orphans by distributing food to them in pictures and in the presence of the press or are you making them a traded commodity used to hype up daft followers and claim credulity? One gives for profit and the other gives because he sees himself/mankind reflected in the needy. World of difference there, sir.

So yes, we all support giving but I ask the gifts be to those who need them and be borne out of love. The other guy wants the gifts to come to him and be borne out of the giver's asinine desire to make/demand more money from God. That is merchandising. This world has enough problems and we Christians are the ones who claim a patent on love - does love arise or manifest from manipulation and self-gain at the expense of others?

And look at the "effect" - the foot soldiers! Manipulated, tossed and turned by the whims and caprices of their masters because of their desire for "prosperity", they lose identity and end having nothing to offer - they come online to say "Wow, Librasakadanka we are moronic-idiots" and thats it. Otherwise, they are supporting another man's assertions. What manner of man has NO self - others think, judge and posit for them and all they do is raise hands and say "Yea".

Christians are "called out" of the world not meant to bind themselves to its fleeting pleasures or to become teleguided robots honoring human masters.

@Zikky:

Can they even show us "prophets reward" under the dispensation of christ?

By the way, COGICERO, I have responded on that thread to the accusation.

In summary, once I knew what I did was wrong (forum rules), I made a correction. If I truly wanted to be naughty, I'd have just created a dud username and used that. But I openly did it and openly repented when I found out it was wrong. If punished, no wahala. "nuclearboy2" dey there. But I wonder if/when pastor-bringmoremoney will do same and repent. And he is facing God, not Seun.

To re-iterate, as the Bible says, if the unrighteous changes his ways and becomes righteous, , And as I said, I amended my ways before Seun/NL. What is Jo doing about God? Oh, I forgot - money is his god!

@fyneguy:

The desire of your masters is to remain applicable at all costs though they wish to reap where they didn't sow. So I do not blame you for manifesting the same - what all of you ought keep in mind remains this --> "What was hidden will be shouted on rooftops", "he who would be greatest will be the least" AND "I will say unto them - I never knew you, ye workers of iniquity". E don dey shele real life on NairaLand O.

Your spiritual sense concerns only the "god" of the physical - money! What does that tell you about your life?

Conclusion - Go find a dustbin and cast yourself there, if the dirt won't protest and move someplace else.

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And what are you doing here IF you know NL ought be for intellectuals? Shouldn't you be at a motorpark with your peers/ilk playing dice or whatever hired goons without personal minds play?

I see MORONS jumping in head first (into a dry concrete pond) to complain.

When Jo stated Kunle Osobu's name publicly, was that not an invasion of privacy? When he said Kunle sells hand-outs and lives off that, you saw naught wrong with that. When he lied and said he was not a pastor and tithe-receiver but an artist, you all didn't remember he was a christian. When he twists the BiBLE into a pretzel, that's fine by you.

But when he's exposed, you crawl out the woodwork and weep. HYPOCRITES, white-washed sepulchres, descendants of the Sanhedrin, your fathers did same and what was their gain? Condemnation b4 God

I have removed the pictures ONLY because I never knew it was against forum rules. But this ought teach you that nothing is truly hidden. By the way, Wetin una see wey you dey complain? I laugh as God does, looking at the nations

Or the other picture of financial partners, otherwise known as muguns?

You think they can stand between you and God when judgment comes? 

I pasted them here for just the one reason - so you KNOW - if nuclearboy can, with all his frailty and limitedness, show you up, imagine what God can do

Jo-boy:

You thought the photo I pasted here is worth more than God? Sad (for you)

@mabell:

face the issue and state where I went against God's Word

Joagbaje:
@Jesoul
They are altogether part of our worship , reverence. And spiritual obligation. If you say we should not give tithes to God. What of offerings, are you saying we should never give to God again?

Tithing , offering, prayer, meditation. All are together . It's only God we give such to. I don't know why folks singles tithes alone out .  What about offering. What of prayers, what of worship.

Redundant, a waste of space and deliberately misleading - Jesus Himself told us that when we give to the poor, we give to Him. That is REAL PRAISE and worship to God - giving not for gain but out of Godly love and thus showing the character of God, not pouring into the ocean of your bank accounts and pockets in expectation of fake harvests.

Joagbaje:
The things that are no longer applicable to us in the law and before the law are the things that Jesus had fulfilled. But the things that goes beyond the law and are based on spiritual principles still applies to us .

Like what things did Christ NOT fulfill? So is it you or Chris Yaks that is completing Christ's "unfinished work"? Soon, he'll say he was manipulated into this tummy-rot.

Joagbaje:
Even if they were part of the law. Is adultery justified now? No. Because its against the principle of love. If you want to live long,The law says to honour your father and mother. The law had been abolished but that principle still stands. Will your father now because the law is abolished? No. Because these are based on spiritual principles. That's why Paul had to emphasise it again for the ephesian church.

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 Honour thy father and mother;( which is the first commandment with promise 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

1.Doing the word of God cause grace to abound .2.a Christian that disobeys the word will not be able to resist the enemy. He gives the enemy room. When the devil strikes he is unprotected. There will be absence of grace. Even if he feels he is okay at the moment . He is still ignorant of what he is losing, things could have been far better for him. And for such, when the devil jump on his case , he has no defence.


Because the old system had limitations. It was ratified by the blood of animals. But the new system is ratified by the blood of christ . We are under a New Order now.  And christ is our high priest. In this order. Men that die received tithes under levitical priest hood. But Melchizedek that took tithes from Abraham  lives .  Jesus had been made a highpriest in thesame order with melchizedek. So our tithing is recieved by a high priest with endless life in the order of melchizedek.

Waste of space - wetin dem ask, wetin you dey answer?

Joagbaje:
There was no problem with the order of Melchizedek . This man was greater than Abraham . But there was problem with levitical priesthood because of the introduction of the law. The law was not given to reveal perfection. The law was given to reveal man's sins and imperfection . So everything done under the levitical order could not make man perfect. But under the new high priest who came in the order of Melchizedek, perfection has come. Our prayer, offerings , tithes are holy before God because they are sanctified by the holy spirit.

Basically then, Adam had "Sin" before he sinned and God was just the "puppeter" that forced him to confess/reveal it. And God deliberately stopped the perfection that was Melchizedek to throw the world into the mess it is today by introducing the Levitical to reveal sin? Seems like they use burukutu as water when making Eba or rice for you to eat.

Joagbaje:
That's the point . Debate on tithing was not an issue of dispute in the early church.   And you find Paul comparing the welfare of ministers of the Gospel to the levitical system.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live[ of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
How did stuff and money get to the temple?  It's simple , through givings such as tithes and offerings.

True ministers like the Apostles Paul and Peter gave up lives, family, business and catered to God's work. They still are in existence today - as missionaries in the Islamic and far eastern world, in villages deep in the bush, taking light into dark areas. They left their families and true Christians cater for those knowing the labor of love their otherwise bread-winners are engagned in.

On the other hand, you professional business pastors are taking your false gospel to where it came from - America, the UK and you are reaping Dollars. Your giant temples and the thrust of your understanding prove your shallowness. The difference is clear between those who "preach the Gospel of Christ" and those "who do presentations of a business gospel".

Joagbaje:
Malachi 3 :9,10
gives clue. Grace, Windows of heavenly  ideas ,blessings and opportunities.

Money, money, money - thats all that matters, ehn? Anyway, thats why you prefer to have a servant and be despised rather than honor with a hungry stomach.

Joagbaje:
Why another church? God says to sow see to those who feed you the word. If we give tithe to God, it won't fly to heaven, it will be used in the running of the work of ministry. So logically you should do your givings in the place where you are fed. Under who you are submitted. But let me ask , why would someone want to go away from his pastor to give his tithe under another pastor? In my school days my Elder brother wanted to give me school fees with his tithe . I protested it. He should give it in his church. Some just give their tithes irreverently . To beggars, family etc.

There is an anointing upon a pastor over his congregation. Every pastor is not your pastor , every pastor is not anointed over you. You can give to other pastors seed as you are led. But not your tithe.

No wonder you come here marketing CE. What you want is more customers giving their "tithe" to you. But remember - God's day will come and some "mighty" MOGs will be told "I never knew you, workers of iniquity". Your hand go fall that day

@manmustwack:

Please go through that thread for clarity.

@Sisi_Kill:

why not tell us what is wrong with feeling sad someone died and hoping we'd all try to be more tolerant of each other since we really don't gain anything from our "fights"

@Kunle: I didn't know that.

@Toba: We all are God's children even if we hate or deny Him - we (AND BAWOMOLO) were on the same side.

@Uyi: No one thinks we're castigating him. Tudor was born deprived and his belligerence is a defense mechanism to hide his insecurity

@Tudor: You ought have studied at school rather than indulging in affairs with other men. That would have helped your mental balance. As it is, you need help understanding concepts.

@Jo:

Time will either clear or damn your master. Either way, prices won't change anywhere- he's insignificant

In the interim, go answer Jesoul's questions. Abi your evasiveness is becoming too glaring even to you and you wish to play the Ostrich?

Tudor, you can't have it both ways (though I suspect in your case, you did at one time or the other get it up the wrong way).

According to you - there is no God. So it obviously cannot be His fault this young man died.

I just wondered what "value" all the arguments, e-fighting etc added to him and considered the futility of it. If that is too much for you to process, sad. I always knew there was more to the CU and your lovers issue than you let on but to know it climbed all the way up to your brain is saddening.

@Vivian.SA:

Please disregard the drivel above attempting to "push" you into bondage and swell Jo and his master's purse.

Give to whoever (including ministries) on a "need" basis. Christ Himself said "when you give the needy, you give Him". You are called/designed/expected to show God's love by solving problems; watering dry ground and thus making it fertile, NOT pouring water into the ocean. Any other "gospel" concerning your spending aside that explicitly stated as Christ's own judgment when He gives reward at the last day is false and based on greed.

Where someone is sacrificing, someone else is receiving it. Decide! & Give your sacrifice to Christ and He was clear where He is - with the NEEDY, whether a church, a widow, a neighbor, a passer-by or an orphan. Give to the NEEDY as your conscience/spirit leads you!

The Christians connection is to Christ directly and that is why he "lives" in Christ - this priesthood has only ONE high-priest. Connect to Him and you're safe. Trust in man is dangerous, except of course, your desire is to be a "Joagbajian" or "oyakilomian".

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-560180.64.html#msg7265089

Sad news. Twould be great to find the information in the link above is wrong. More important though is those of us left here and the futility of our intolerance of each other especially based on belief systems.

This could have happened to anyone whether Atheist, Muslim or Christian.

RIP, whichever Busayo Awolowo it is.

In a way, one would find it could be rather difficult to blame Jo. The dude started out a victim that has been tutored, trained and made into a predator.

Chris Yaks chose a dude with not much self-confidence and showed him a life of easy wealth and enjoyment. All he needed in return was unending loyalty and the capacity to lie with a straight face. Jo obviously learnt well.

Compare the life he lives now with what he "thinks" he would otherwise and its almost excusable. However, this thinking informed Christ's Word - if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. Better to lose it than face God's wrath.

But man Jo has made his choices and Jesus can go Jump

you guys just keep ridiculing yourselves, chris embassy and chris oyakilome.

Now your claim is firepower to overrun this site - likely painful to Seun Osewa but will not change the price of fish in the market, don't you know? BTW, why not apply that firepower to handling the embarrassment of EFCC hunting that master of yours.

Friend, the only reason the seat seems "hot" is respondents need to gimmick away whats otherwise obvious.

If OP decides to place any of the stated on the seat, twill be like winning "who wants to be a millionaire" with Chris Tarrant

You seem to think of nuclearboy more than God. Please don't make an idol of me. Go get a life