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When the night is darkest, dawn is about to break.

@Inesqor:

You're going nowhere O. I'm on my knees

@thehomer:

That energy you say was present at the big bang, where did it come from? What was its source? If it always was there, then you destroy your assertion immediately above that you are not proposing an eternal universe. That would be lying. If it came from someplace, you destroy your assertion that the energy was present at the big bang. another lie? Well, which lie is preferable to you, sir, for us to consider?

"Time" is not special pleading, Sir. You yourself define the commence of existence by appealing to a specific "time" - your big bang. Is it ok for you but not for him?

Lets suppose there are 20 creators or 5 creators. What difference does that make to this issue? What matters is there was "creation". And how would you define a location for an entity that exists across realms?


Your resorting to one-liners and defensive tactics takes nothing away from the arguments against you. Where you find a bad analogy, please give a good one as example. You say nobody has evidence. Please show yours so we know what real/good evidence should look like. And as justcool said, you ought not feel hurt except you're a religionist hurt at the defilement of your sacred places/beliefs.

^^ Yep Bro, "And there was Light"

@justcool:

Thanks. I see where you are coming from.

@Image:

"through some sorry man"?? Pls remember the "sorry" dude is a MOG. Which means he is deserving of your worship.


Seriously though, these people can't/don't understand since their minds are darkened. They are in it as they say "for prosperity". Decisionism is their choice as opposed to the Biblical position of "election". God chooses who He will and brings them to Himself as Christ said. Paths, timing, manner differ but they ARE God's work, not products of instanteousness decision backed by saying rubbish as tongues and being part of a cult headed by a charismatic p.imp bearing the title MOG

^^^ Now THAT is rational, deep in understanding and very scientific.

Please elaborate more on the big bang being just one state in four

Why would you say to be careful "extrapolating discoveries in quantum physics to that of our regular macroscopic world"? Quantum physics and what you call "regular world" - do they not both fit into OUR existence? Would you call that the "supernatural" or "spirit world"?

@Petres:

You sef fear, ba? Na wonderment.

You people are using words like "cheque", "deposit", "inheritance" etc?

Haven't you heard some people here can smell money 5 miles upwind and tell you what denomination it is?

Tithes, offerings, prophetic gifts. Fini. All the turenchi is not useful, just bring the stated and they'll put (claim) you in the kingdom here, now, today.

Is that the "revelation knowledge" they got? Interesting. So EVERY named/discussed Christian in the New Testament decided they preferred spiritual wealth and so cancelled the physical. All of them. ALL!! BUT when they wrote the NT, what they meant in their discussions about wealth was physical wealth, dominion etc and not the spiritual.

Anyone who hears that and believes should have a whole ward at Yaba left dedicated to them.

^^^ The above last from Joagbaje is confusing and seems not to follow the flow of history.

@Joagbaje;

What are the 4 kingdoms/empires? You said the last kingdom would produce a power possessing dominion for 3 and half years. You link it to the end time. How do you make that link and where is the timestamp indicating this would be the end time tribulation?

I hope you'll answer as every instinct and knowledge says this is a wrong interpretation

@cemehere:

Jesus said He had no place to lay His Head. Yet He prospered SPIRITUALLY. He lived pleasurably BECAUSE He was content, joyous, fulfilled in His mission.

Same with Peter, Stephen, Paul, Timothy, James etc. We also read from the Bible which is the Word of God and not a commentary that offerings were taken for the poor saints.

Please tell us - Jesus, the Apostles and all those Christians - did they not please God? Why then didn't they "prosper" as you insist?

Or could you show us their earthly/material wealth so we know and understand? For what the Bible shows is those who belong to God and do His Will having Spiritual wealth (which is what Christ said to seek)

Pre or Post, rapture or death, methinks what a true christian ought concern himself with is showing the life and power of God.

But the Bible agrees with seyibrown and the elect are Christians, not Israel.

Smh at the vacuous knowledge possessed by empty pastors and the embarrassment they bring to Christ's Body

@Kunle:

God's Love, Power and Blessings cannot be denied in my life. Hope xmas still stands?

@Nuella2:

Okay. Lets talk about respect, sense and wisdom.

You said you can give pastor anything. There is NOTHING that is too much for pastor. Those were your words.

So please answer the following and you'll understand why nobody blames Kunle except your people who have vested interest -

Your gold chain - is it "something" under your control? Yes. And you can give it to him since you said you can give ANYTHING
Your worship - is it "something" under your control? Yes. And you can give it to him since you said you can give ANYTHING
Your body - is it "something" under your control? Yes. So you can give it to him since you said you can give ANYTHING

So whats your complain? Did you say you could give "somethings" or "anything"? See as door hold you for hand?

This is why Wisdom is profitable - you come skidding in like a danfo that lost its brakes on third mainland, say things you don't mean or understand because you are excited then when a calm person shows you what you just said, you get angry. All you need to do is change your words and say "oh okay, I blundered. I am a virtous woman O and I can give him nice presents NOT all things like he is God"

So who is not showing themselves respect now? Plus the above tells you why your service to a man is approaching idolatry.

^^ what is "jeolousy"? Online dictionaries abound, ma'am.

And you still exhibit limited mental range - must everything be spelt out for you? Who said Chris Yaks is your only idol? Was THAT image the only one your ancestors had?

It is the idea, not the specifics. Idolatry is wrong. Capishe?

Btw, Kunle faced YOU above. You left him and faced his mother. Good training from your idols

^^ Apt beyond apt

Truly, God's Word is a double-edged sword and the way He is pouring His Spirit and illuminating events, one cannot but realise the crux of the matter is 'election'

I'm back on the grind, thanks

@nuella:

You're mistaken. Apparently, your understanding was that I said you were replacing God with your pastor. I apologise for not making it clear. When Moses went up to collect the 10 commandments, the israelites asked for a 'god'. They didn't want to replace Yahweh with gold and silver - they just wanted something they could relate to BECAUSE Moses was not in front of them. But God took offence all the same.

Jesus is not physically in front of you but like Moses, is with the father and thus you want/need moral support, a power to guide, bless, encourage you,  That is the idol you have made of your pastor. You all claim to have left Egypt but then refuse to grow up in God. Your pastor too is in the 'type' of the molten image and calls himself god too - a lie.

Point is, God won't change His mind - He insists ALL Glory and Honor be His. That is what I meant and it is different from replacement. What you are doing is adding 'another' god. According to the Word, a fake god. Which is why in YOUR OWN WORDS, you'll sell your gold (just like the israelites too gave theirs for their molten god which they made by themselves)

How dare you talk against Men of God like this?

1. Put "Holy" before their names
2. Worship them, not God (God is too far and they are the priests He has commanded to receive worship in His behalf)
3. Touch not my anointed etc etc etc

Have a nice day.

You won't see them here. They come in, look around, realise such threads have too much power behind them and like their ancestors, sneak out then go back to strategise with the other members of their marketing teams on how to discredit truth and make erROR seem like Gospel.

^^^

Quite the expose showing the position of the true church AND Men of God compared to the desire and position of those in it for the money.

Sadly, the lure of money won't allow Jo and company accept truth even if Jesus came down Himself. And the itchy ears behind them prefer delusion to truth.

A word is enough for the wise and above, there are many words which show truth

No wonder you are not popular on Nairaland, yommyuk.

You tell the truth!

regged4u:
nuclearboy, now i know u are ready for me. I thought u are trying to make everyone that reads your post believe u are one intellectual who is trying to correct the spiritual mistake u don't even know about in our churches today especially in CE. I just took a very big laugh at u when u said mumu regged4u. it simply tells me that u are deeply scared. First, u are confuse, because u don't know which course u are pursuing in life. That means u don't know urself. now that u have come to me, that means u are prepared. Make sure u have enough money to pay your internet bills, or u want to tell me u are one of our Nigeria internet users who don't pay for their internet connection, becus i know say unna many for this country (U know na, YAHOOO) I have read a lots of your post, and find out that u have once attended CE with a testimony of how a pastor threw a paper note at his member. But there is some thing i saw, that will interest u so much, i want to believe is not u. Becus i was asking myself, how can an anti-Christ contest for Election. But seriously, if na u, guy, i no mind support u oh.

What did you drink or smoke that is worrying you? Its obvious your own case involves mind bending medications - Me, nuclearboy attended CE and someone threw paper note at a member?  You think I'd sit through one of the noise making sessions you call church? When I attended Pentecostal style churches, it was responsible ones innitiated by responsible christians with good values, lifestyles and character - men whose lives showed holiness, not men who jeri-curled their hair. nuclearboy go to CE? I'd rather go to a mosque.

Pls go back and read again after you've slept and woken up and the drugs have left your system. "Petres_007" gave that funny expose and how nuclearboy looks like petres can only be explained by a mind drugged like yours.

Anyways, you've fulfilled CE "righteousness" by submitting your quota of erROR and folly for the evening. Time for sleep before your drugged mind decides you can fly with your employers money to CE (as is usual amongst you) and you too end in prison.

@newmi:

You are already in prison of your own violition.

Has the irony not struck you yet? Nobody aside CEC is here fot you. 5 against one yet you're still behind. Doesn't that tell you your training, indoctrination and combined intellect is lacking substance.

Mumu is laughing. Well, as they say, the faces of morons is always bathed with smiles. It is the wise that frown. And it is knowledge that makes it easy to find out information that is not copyrighted and thus free on the web. But 32-teeth can't understand that. Only brains do.

Donnie is here hissing. Hisses AND Talk is cheap - excellence is a word CE understands only when it comes to prostitution and theft/fraud. Examples abound. BTW, I hear your pastors are now being linked to Juju too.

Where's the new illiterate ragged-one? Where's his contribution to tonight's folly?

Jo says I scored myself low in the eyes of everyone. In your dreams of being god! Except if everyone of course, means just your CE image laundering and customer harvesting crew. Why don't you score yourself high and stop spreading a fake gospel?

Mabell: Touch luck ehn? You can't fins the school that conferred the Ph.D? Or can you?

- Nuclearboy (Ph.D, Rad.fc)

It would have made sense to respond but I tire easily nowadays. Plus the combined IQ of you 4 would likely just touch 120. That would have been okay if it was one person but shared among you 4, why bother?

I wished Chris Oyakilome a happy Birthday and if you like, be angry at that. But I will continue to point out errors against God and His people. If any of you does not like that, become a muslim and go pray on the expressway.

@newmumu:

Your english and diction is pitiful. Your time would be better spent in adult school than disgracing english online like this. Use simple words to express yourself rather than jumbling words you don't understand together. By the way, people don't invade joeagbaje privacy - they invade Joagbaje's privacy.

Its bone, NOT "born".
Its desperate, not "despirate"
AND your punctuation? , you need the Spirit of Excellence and Truth (uncompromising). Seek it - with Christ.

@mabell:

which one again is raggedman or whats the jokes name above. Just how many aliases do you/joagbaje have. You must be really desolate if you need to prop yourself up like this. Unfortunate

@reggedjoke:

its you who ought know ur time, place and mates. PS: what does "shut the toilet" mean? I went to school when people got a real education so I'm not familiar with thug language or diction

@Kunle:

Check your Inbox/Spam folder. I just wrote you from nlbomb@gmail.com. If you email me your phone number, I'll call you right away

Liar:

Show me where I wished your pastor a happy birthday or when I said I believed Maddock.

Seems you only see insults - what does that tell you about yourself? Why don't all of you join together and abuse me and see what it does to me - NOTHING. You know why it will do nothing to me? I'm not guilty and my conscience is clean. If I die today, God knows my life has been fulfilled. It is dirty people who hate light shining on their lives because it exposes them.

Now sign out and sign back in as Jo-boy so you can show the "preachy" side!

^^ When Jesus Christ becomes ashamed, I too will be. Go face and shame my Lord first, flat-brain!

@Mabell:

You say I CANNOT make ANY post without insultive language. Run, go and meet pastor Chris and tell him you're a bloody liar. Let's show you up - Can you go check my first post on this thread (where I wished Pastor Chris a happy birthday even though I don't agree with his methods) and show me ONE insult there? If you cannot, then you just lied. Liars steal. Thieves fornicate. Fornicators and Adulterers are murderers. Or could it be that it was the "Angel" in Jo's room that took over your fingers when you typed that lie?

But then, we know Angels don't lie. So it was the other side - a demon. Which means demons live in Jo's room (obvious to everyone who is renewed). Murderers and Demons don't go to heaven O. But then, your plans are not for heaven for for Naira and kobo, abi?

Hows my analysis of you being demon, murderer, adulterer, thief and fornicator in comparision to Jesus Words? Pretty lame ehn, since Jesus Himself would have said YOU are degenerate, a coffin containing rotting dead bodies, a self-righteous hypocrite and a generation of Vipers?

My Lord had "celestial" yabbies! No one like Him! And you, you had poor ancestry which you ought to pray about - being a descendant of Pharisees is not good.

I have seen your paintings, Jo, more than you would believe, accept or even fantasize. You are controversial and being the second Pastor at CEC that I have had reason to discuss with, I decided to find out as much as I could - Don't forget the photographs that shocked you. My reason was simple - is this guy real? Is he a victim or a predator? I wanted to know the WHOLE truth. I know you know what I found out. NL may not allow me show what I know but instead of the complaints those morons gave, you people should have dared to challenge me at that time. I assure you you'd be off NL now for shame. Small mistakes, Jo. There is always a trail and some of us write web-scripts in Assembly language - we can go under ALL the layers.

You have asked yourself wrong questions and then answered them AS YOU WANTED above. My question was "how many paintings have you sold and to what value?". Could you have bought a Prado from the proceeds of your paintings? Simple questions, Jo, that you could answer without playing the Mabell/Jo gallery. Many of us know you guys live together in the same bedroom using the same laptop so why are you asking yourself questions online as though you're not together. Is that what pastor chris teaches you? The Christian equivalent of lying (thinking it is) for God?

PS: The paintings you advertise AS YOURS are really nice and you could have made a good living from them. If ONLY you truly believed.

PS (2): I believe you helped that guy which is good and I pray God reward you for your labor of love. However, Hitler, Caligula, Attila the Hun and Nero did good for some people too. That didn't make them Christians, just good marketing executives for their audiences