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PietraK:
We have heard it all how the world began and how Satan rebelled against God and was driven to earth.

He thereafter corrupted humans and we inherited death. We accept Jesus the savior and redeemer which qualifies us for heaven.

If heaven is pure and without sin, what tempted the devil in the first place?

Do we still have the capacity to sin when we get to heaven?

What is SIN? When we understand sin, we will understand it causes.
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. - James 1:14-15


Lets go back to Genesis the first record of sin.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. - Genesis 3:4-6

From the passage above especially the BOLDED, you will see what caused Eve to sin.
Lust of the eyes. She probably has been looking at the fruit for sometime cos she was standing close to the tree. Satan took advantage.

Conclusion:
Like Apostle James said, we are tempted with things we desire. I am straight, even if a naked guy passes in front of me, I will even be disgusted. However, for a beautiful lady, now that is temptation.

Satan desired power, wanted to be God. Since he fell with other angels, I guess they assured him that they had his back (so they thought alike cos they had free will). The scripture below will show more:
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. - Genesis 6:2
Satan was not in heaven to tempt these Angels that fell because of women. They had bad and good thoughts. They choose bad. They were not the only Angels in heaven.

So we see that even without Satan, if a man thinks evil continually, he soon becomes what he thinks. Satan may help fuel it but the seeds were developed by the person.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5

I often say I feel sorry for Satan. Folks do things and blame it on him. On judgement day, we will see that a lot of the sins commited were from the imaginations of man not Satan.

PietraK:
I will react generally to all posts above.

If the new heaven will be without sin, does it mean that God finally strips us of our free will?

No and He doesn't need to. Seeing that we have passed the right/wrong test on Earth, you are certified to remain good in Heaven. Even if you choose to become bad in Heaven, you can always refer to what happened to Satan.

Why did God give us free will in the first place when he certainly wants us to worship him alone and remain where he put us?

Forcing folks to worship you is no worship. God is not man who can force people to do their bidding.
Personally, I will say that giving you free will is the test or exam. Since you have good and bad thoughts in you, you choose to worship God. God can make 1 billion "robots" to worship him all day long. I'm sure man will like that

Mbkite:
One of my brothers who does not like going to church on sundays, but would always prefer to take bottles of beer on every sunday morning agreed to go to church with me because I promised to buy him some bottles of beer.



My question is- "was my tactics of inviting him to church proper? Believing that hearing the word of God would change him.

Funny, when he is drinking the beer you bought, where will you be? Preaching?
Bro, your prayer for him and lifestyle will do more for than any church/beer combo. God answers prayers.
Your strategy will only make a false convert out of him.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 5:16

winetapper:
Some times i go through the scripture and i come across words like Sexual immoralities.. Which made me kind of confused if self service is part of Sexual Immoralities...
Nairalanders what do you have to say about it?

No its not sexual immorality, Its part of the Fruits of the Spirit. When folks do bad they want the bible to support it.
Smoking is not in the bible, so share some sticks of cigarrete or weed with your Pastor.

fyneboi79:
hahahahaha ! Good one there! I must confess u have an excellent knowledge of Logic, pls keep it up.
But u didn't answer question 5 correctly.

Thanks for the compliment. So whats the correct answer? or did I not get the question?

Kingbilo:
Great points sha....very very good questions bro... Beginning to understand it now... No way of knowing.. Just do your part and do it to the glory of God..

Thank God. The main thing is CHEERFUL giving. That is what God loves, not just the giving but the cheerful. I tell folks, if not cheerful, dont bother. God will not accept it, its just a donation.

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. - 2 Corinthians 9:7

Nothing to think of here. They are no brainers.

fyneboi79:
1. Why would the female population far outnumber the male population and say its one man one wife?

Wrong: Global sex ratios are almost 1:1. It has always been so with even slightly higher MALES.
Population of 3 women to a man is a myth even in Nigeria. Check the last census or the one before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

2. Why hasten puberty thereby promoting quick sexual activity and then you say I should control the urge till I am married?

If urged go marry. Who says you must marry at 35 or 35 or 40 like people do today? If you can take care of your family at 16yrs, what stops you? There are many married teenagers with kids living well. Hustle ontime and get married.

3. Why would God create beautiful women all around,give me a third leg that the human will can't control. And when Toolz walks by,it embarrasses me by becoming erect.

You think your pe.nis is for beautiful women? Even at that, what makes you think they want it so badly?
Your pe.nis gets erect cos of your BRAIN (thinking) not cos it is not a REFLEX action. You embarrass yourself.

4. Why would God create a plant that let's your imagination run wild one we call weed the other we call hops? And the bible says don't consume them.

Bible NEVER said don't drink. It only said dont get drunk. Cos drunkeness brings loss of control. Drunkeness is illegal even by man's standards.

5. Why would God say I should forgive my enemy when He can't forgive satan and hopes to condemn him to eternal damnation one day?

If Satan asks for forgiveness and repents, God will save him. However, we know about his pride issues.

6. Why would God let Adam and Eve have sex out of wedlock,but won't let us?

Adam and Eve didn't even has sex in the Garden. Go read Genesis again.

7. Go and populate d earth means go and have unhindered sex?

Sure, lets bring the 13 & 14 year old girls and get them pregnant every year so by 45 yrs (menopause) they will have about 30 children.
Then you will create the jobs and food for them.

... and his Legacy lives on and spreading globally. Now that Greatness

Kingbilo:
Nice point about not being accountable although I beg to differ a bit. Shouldn't you do your best to ensure your money goes to those who need it?

No you don't both in the World and in Church especially as relates to Adults. The 4 questions below will help.

TITHE as a GIFT to Pastor: If I give you a gift say a phone, do I also tell you how to use it?
TITHE as HELP to Pastor: If you need money and I give you, will I also tell you how to spend it?
TITHE as unto GOD: If I bless God with my substance in an offering or tithe (as God doesn't take your money anyway), will I also tell the church administrator(s) how to use the offering and tithe?
TITHE as a GIFT to the Poor: If I give to the poor, do I also supervise what they do with it?

The money is yours. Do as you please.
If you think your Pastor is a theif and will misuse your tithe; good. Then I wonder, why will you go to a church led by a thief?

Bottomline, tithe given out is not accountable to you. No one, either God, Pastor or the Poor owe you an explaination on what they did with it. This is why it is called GIVING not a LOAN.

Experiment
Here is an experiment I did. Tithe regularly for a year (dont miss), then don't tithe for the next year. Check your finances and see the difference if any. Keep notes. Then judge for yourself. The bible is practical not theory.

Naital:
I have seen mountains grow not melt away ... due to volcanic activities (besides I don't see what volcanoes have in common with melting stars).

Only super massive stars end in supernovae. Supernovae are not melting stars. [color=#009900]In Physics (as well as English), melting refers to phase transformation from solid to liquid. [/color] Stars are gaint bodies of hot ionized gases called plasma. Gases (Plasma) don't melt.

Refering to italics and in GREEN

Clap for yourself "you know book"!
This is what happens when English comprehension is poor, science is abused and thinking is in parallel lines.
Please, understand the context of a statement. The bible is not a novel, however even novels are read with context.

English Example:
My heart melted when I heard the story. Did the heart actually melt to liquid?

Friendly advice and tips:
- To understand English comprehension & context, I recommend a book "Brighter Grammer".
- Read that scripture in clearer bible English version. KJV does do justice to modern English.

Cheers

menesheh:
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

By evidence I assume you mean the bible? So how can I answer bible questions without relating to a bible which you don't believe?
Can you see the futility in answering? However, sometimes I answer for the sake of other Christians who can learn a thing or 2.

Hence I often wonder why Atheists bother asking questions about a book (Bible) they don't believe?
I will not ask a Muslim to explain the Koran. I will not believe. Rather I will point him to the bible which I believe.
However, there is no such reference book (even Science has) for Atheist except their minds (free thinking) which in todays World we have over 7 Billion minds.

1 Billion = 1,000,000,000 (One thousand Million)
Did you know that if you spend N100,000 everyday (24/7) for the next 25 years, you will still not have spent 1 billion?

The Maths
- 100,000 per day.
- 365 per year or 366 days in leap year.
Even in 1 year (using the higher figure of 366) = 366 x 100,000 = 36,600,000/year
Now in 25 years = 25 x 36,600,000 = 915,000,000 (915 million)

You will still have a balance of 85 million left!
So how many billions are your senators collecting?

Moved here: www.nairaland.com/2424107/some-falsehoods-portrayed-atheists

AnyibestDede:
U nearly confuse me o!

Archeologist not finding (enough evidence for) Sodom and Gomorrah does not mean it did not exist? This is like saying because we can find the cross of Jesus, so he was not crucified.
Here are the challenges:
- It is tough to locate the exact place for escavation (there isn't sufficient detail from Genesis)
- Anything that will be found will be ruined by the fire
- Earthquakes are known to have happened in that area futher ruining any chances of finding stuff

The historicity of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, as little archaeological evidence has ever been found in the regions where they were supposedly situated. - From Wikipedia

It is still disputed by scholars, not concluded.

Nothing wrong with advertising. If there were TV's and Internet in Jesus time, he would have used it.

Confirmer:
And who are the coalition fighting Isis http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-ten-arab-nations-join-us-led-coalition-against-isis-1465106

Do they have a choice? When their fighter jets and weapons are from US.
Are there not Muslim Soldiers in the Nigerian army. Does this change the fact that Boko Haram kill in the name of Islam. I thought you had a brain? Who are Boko Haram?

johnydon22:
The thing is there was no global flood, the only flooding scientifically speculated happened due to the melt of the north pole ice . . Basically in the northern hemisphere of the planet not a global event, and that event predates all these civilizations.

So the thing now as they fail to understand is; Atheist are not even arguing if there is a flood or not. . Atheist are saying that the jewish Noah fable alongside other young mythologies copied from older Sumerian mythologies, and all the events attributed to the flood like the god ea telling gilgamesh to build a boat are just fictions and not actual events . . which is a very clear truth, its no coincidence. .

Same way Jesus 12 disciples are copied from the 12 zodiac signs? Same way Jesus story is copied from Horus?
I laugh. You call it copying, I call it common ancestory. I have proof of common ancestory, you have NO proof of copying. SO?

timonski:
So many cultures from totally different times and locations believe in the 'god of lightning'. Therefore Thor exists.

Everyone sees lightening or fire or water. So it cuts accross. Various cultures can have gods of such.
Just like the story of creation of man. All cultures need not copy, a sane man will always wonder where he came from.
There are basic questions men ask like good and bad, angels and demons etc. I am not talking of such.

Why an event like a Great global flood? Why would men cook this up? What does it proove or answer?

Confirmer:
Funny analogy and the over one billion Muslim worldwide are bombing innocent women and children. Stop reasoning like you have no brain.

Okay you have a brain.
See the Aljazeera poll that 80% of over 40,000 Muslims voted YES in support ISIS.
http://www.aljazeera.net/votes/pages?voteid=5270

It was posted on NL:
https://www.nairaland.com/2385798/al-jazeera-poll-destroys-myth#34860767

I am sure even if the "one billion Muslims" were polled, the results will barely change.

Worldly Fun
Apostle Paul listed the works of the flesh and fruits of the Spirit.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Galatians 5:19-21

Morally speaking, most of the above listed are frown upon even by society (unbeleivers inclusive).

So, what is the general notion of fun in our society today?
It is often said that people love Money, Power (respect) and Sex.
It is also said that men like to Drink, Smoke and Womanize.

Looking at the above, SEX is the common demoninator as poor or rich can do it.
So mankind loves sex. No surprise at the proliferation of porn. Infact, most online polls will show that PORN levels are the high on the internet. How about places of work, movies, music videos and religious centers. Sex sells, no doubt.

Christianity opposes sexual immorality. This is where the "restriction of freedoms" begins hence we have a lot of questions like:
- Is masturbation sin?
- Is same sex marraige sin?
- Is it sin if I press my girlfriends breasts without actual penetration?
These ignorant questions boils down to sexual immorality but the Bible is clear on where God stands.

Sexual desires are NORMAL. God knew about these desires so He instituted marriage. Apostle Paul said:
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. - 1 Corinthians 7:9

We sure do have a lot of folks "burning" today. Throw porn in the mix and its a ticking bomb. Hence lots of rapists and pedophiles these days. Think about it, if lack of sex is boring then children and babies must be BORED to DEATH.

Christianity isn't boring, some unscriptural Christian doctrines make it look so. Jesus said:
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. - Matthew 11:30

So enjoy your life to the full, enjoy your wife if married, get married if burning, and always be grateful to God for the beauty of nature and all its enjoyable benefits.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23

I heard someone say that Christianity takes away his freedoms to enjoy life. Then I ask, what freedoms? I later heard he was having an extra-marital affair, then I understood his point of "freedoms".

Google defs:
Boring: not interesting; tedious.
Fun: enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure.

The problems comes when circular stuff are avoided by Christians and strict church activities are kept.
Example, praying, fasting, worshipping, sharing scripture etc. These activities are fun and have their place but we can't do them all day long. This is where the boredom comes in.

There are other fun activities Christians can do.
Playing football, swimming, horse riding or other sports, hanging out at parks, cinemas or restaurants isn't sinful.

Apostle Paul said:
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. - 1 Timothy 4:8
So he understood the essence of physical exercise. Even medically, it is encouraged as its good for body and mind.

theAtheist101:
parisbookaddict

As for the Noah's ark argument you were having with Johnny, can you prove to us that Noah's story actually happened? Kennedy and Lincoln could have some coincidence, but these men can actually be differentiated by the landmark they left, which your Noah failed to leave. Where is his one-windowed unfloatable boat? Why is he not worshipped/remembered after his death, as the father of this modern world? All evidence we have tells us the story is myth, and this myth happened to share some strange similarity with another myth that predates it. Any logically person would could with some certainty that the former story was dubbed from the latter.

Did you not learn anything from our last conversation on the Noah's Ark.

Many other cultures have similar stories of the flood which is proof of the common ancestory of man (NOAH).
So why would all these seemingly unconnected cultures document (or copy) the same "untrue" flood stories?
I can understand copying stories about significant events like creation of Earth or Man, Angels or Demons but why a Great Global Flood?
Interesting topic for History101 class.

ifeness:
Job's story was originally a Sumerian story hijacked into the Bible.

Hmmm, just like Jesus 12 disciples and 12 zodiac signs. How about King David and King Solomon, where were they copied from?

Since you have set your mind that the bible is a copy, you will always see it that way.
How about the point of view that man had a common ancestory (Adam & Noah) and that Job was probably the weathest man in his time.
It will be no surprise that his story will be spread around into various cultures at the time.

Many cultures have stories of the great flood. How come? I see it as common ancestory from Noah, you see it as copying.
So my friend, where do those 2 lines of thought meet?

Finally about Jesus & Horus I said I didn't know. I did some research. There is even a video on it.
http://beginningandend.com/jesus-copy-horus-mithras-dionysis-pagan-gods/

And for those who believe that can prove the claims of Zeitgeist there is a chance to win money at the website http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/ (no one has won yet).

ifeness:
Job had nothing to do with Christianity. You can always find stories with Hollywood endings and fit them into the bible.

Job just like Isaiah had an encounter with Extraterrestrials who genetically manipulated humanoids on this planet. Have you ever wondered what Genesis 3;22 meant? You don't seem to understand what you read.

No Hollywood story here. The book of Job is over 3,000 years old.
If you are calling God and Angels ET's that I may accept (depending on context).

ifeness:
You are obviously a man of one book ain't you? You don't seem to think outside of it.

I have thought outside it. Comparing some of its truths with Science. Its amazing how the Bible holds truths that science is just discovering. The one that surprises me most in the book of Job.

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. - Job 26:7
How could this man have possibly known that the Earth hangs on nothing? Amazing.