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Google Definitions:

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Superstition: excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings.

johnydon22:
Superstition is not belief in a higher being. .
Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality —that one event causes
another without any natural process linking the two events—such as
astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, prophecies, etc., that contradicts
natural science. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Superstition

That someone believes in a higher being (some form of agnosticism) does not entail superstition...

You are actually the one who mistook what he regarded as ridiculous superstition (e.g: belief in witchcraft, omens, prophecies, lucky charms) like we have here in Nigeria to be synonymous to belief in a higher being

Like I said, view CONTEXT before involvement.

This is MY ORIGINAL post DProDG referred to.

Yeah OP, in addition, the Atheist thinks that the World will be a better place without beliefs in God.
They fail to understand that there is NO VACUUM in NATURE. If we push God out, Man (or something) will become God.
We can see that evident in society today. Men playing God. [Animal Farm - George Orwell] lovely book.
Man himself is a Deity. A lack of belief in Deities (Man or God) is just absurd.

Hope this will help you see where I am coming from before you start posting links that are irrelevant to the CONTEXT.

In addition, you can see that you have proved my point. No vacuum in nature. Push God out, and have superstition.
Man always craves belief in higher beings. It is the way we are built. This is why Atheism is absurd.

Original post I referred to:

DProDG:
Are you trying to say we cannot do without the concept of a God, whether man or yahweh/krishna/sango...?

Societies that have done away with ridiculous superstitions are the most successful and developed, eg Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Japan etc so your point is simply invalid.

DONE AWAY WITH? From the stats you posted does it seem so?

johnydon22:
NumberOne2 ok after you read the post above i hope you learn something which is reading through a link before citing it on a public forum....

Please understand CONTEXT before commenting. See the original post above. The dude said "Societies that have done away with ridiculous superstitions " ... From the polls you posted below, does that prove that?

According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll of 2010,[5]
22% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
44% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
29% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
5% answered that they "do not know".

So 66% of the population believe in some kind of Higher Being. 5% Not sure. Is that not superstition? Does that mean the have "DONE AWAY WITH" it? If you are refering to the Christian God maybe, but to the God concept NO! (there is a difference).

DProDG:
Are you trying to say we cannot do without the concept of a God, whether man or yahweh/krishna/sango...?

Societies that have done away with ridiculous superstitions are the most successful and developed, eg Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Japan etc so your point is simply invalid.

What do you gain by posting lies? Well, typical of Atheists to deny HARD facts.
I took a look at just 2 countries (first and last) you listed and your statement is FALSE. The moment I saw Japan there, I knew your post was a LIE.

NORWAY:
Religion in Norway is mostly Evangelical Lutheran, with 76.1% of the population officially belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway in 2013.[1]
The Evangelical Lutheran Church is still established and administered through a Government department. There is, however, an ever ongoing political debate on separation of church and state.[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Norway

JAPAN
Religion in Japan is dominated by Shinto, which is the ethnic religion of the Japanese people, and by Buddhist schools and organisations. According to surveys carried out in 2006[1] and 2008[2] less than 40% of the population of Japan identifies with an organised religion: around 34% are Buddhists, 3% to 3.9% are members of Shinto sects and derived religions, and 1% to 2.3% are Christians.[note 2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Japan

sportsmaster:
visit www.livingwordmedia.org to download our teachings and e-books for free..

That is my church's teachings and e-books are posted..
There are several subjects
just click and download any of your choice

This post will not help anyone. There are a bunch of messages there.
You should title the SPECIFIC MESSAGE that deals with this thread, perhaps someone may take a look to know where you are coming from.

Brethren, what does it matter if the tongues are understood by men or God alone.
As long as the Spirit gave utterance, the same Spirit is able to make men understand if need be (either by interpretation by another man or by direct understanding).

Its no news. ISIS attracts fighters with offer of brotherhood, freedom, wives and money (soldiers get paid).
What I don't know is how they attract girls? Surely it can't be for a Husband.

crusadistic:
yes God has the right to take life but He is not a God of injustice and oppression so you see God ordering his so-called chosen people to brutually murder entire races both innocent defenseless women and children,and even commiting mass rapes as righteous.

There are many places in the Bible where God said "the sins of the people are not yet complete".
God could not destroy those places as their sins were not complete. So when you mention women and children (they were all sinners). See scriptures below:

But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. - Genesis 15:16

And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. - Genesis 18:20-21

If you read further you will see that Abraham negotiated with God that if there are just 10 good people in the city (Sodom and Gomorrah), God should spare it.
And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. - Genesis 18:32

At the end of the day, there were only 4 good people there. Lot, his wife and 2 daughters whom God spared.

God does not destroy the ungodly with the godly. The story of Noah proves this. Here are some other scripture:
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. - Psalms 1:6

For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. - Psalms 37:28

phabuloz:
Even God told ISAAC to tell the king that SARAH is his sister,so sometimes,lies are needed to be lied

Hmmm, God never told Abraham or Isaac to lie. Where is the scripture.

Princewell2012:
Now, if a gang, or group of guys comes into your house, and asked after your son, your only son. And before then, your son who just came back from school, where with you in the house, seen them from afar, quickly imformed you that this people are coming after me, and that they wanted to kill me, please tell them that i have gone back to school. Now considering your faith as a christian, what would you do under that sircumstances, when they asked after your son, will you lie to them that your son is not at home,or you will tell them the truth, and you know where he is hiding? Please be sincere. Thanks You.

Jesus said you err cos you know not the scripture. I dont need to lie. Will go into my room and get my gun.

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. - 1 Corinthians10:13

crusadistic:
which instant judgement for sins are you talking of is it murder,rape,stealing,robbery,adultery…
OK then no more judgement for these.let's see how beautiful the world will be

There is a difference between sin and offence. Sin is to GOD. Offence is to MAN. Dont mix them up.
What sin did women and children in the market commit to be BOMBED by a Muslim?

Does Islam not know that if a man refuses to become a Muslim today, he may change his mind tomorrow?
Why kill him today because he refused today? Is that a wise action?

crusadistic:
which instant judgement for sins are you talking of is it murder,rape,stealing,robbery,adultery…
OK then no more judgement for these.let's see how beautiful the world will be

There is a difference between sin and offence. Sin is to GOD. Offence is to MAN. Dont mix them up.
What offence did women and children in the market commit to be BOMBED by a Muslim?

Does Islam not know that if a man refuses to become a Muslim today, he may change his mind tomorrow?
Why kill him today because he refused today? Is that a wise action?

Nice

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johnydon22:
^^^Dude above me has no freaking idea how he sounds. . I can't believe people still think like this proudly in public forums in this 21st century. . My science class is fvcking ruined

^^^^
Thanks for your opinion. Dude above ME.
I will not debate with one who knows nothing, agrees with nothing, believes in nothing, has hope for nothing but debates EVERYTHING.

Scientist that want to be honest know that science proves the existence of God (Higher Being).
Why do you think man is in space? Smart scientists know there are higher beings and check the stars for answers. Dumb scientist hold on to BIG BANG theory (just theory not yet proven true).

I believe in science and everyday, new studies show the existence of a higher being. I only wish Christians will be more open to Science. Science prooves bible truths.

BIG BANG: Large explosion where rocks formed seas, oceans, giraffes, lions etc over billions of years. So if I keep a rock in my house for billions of years, lions, monkey and fishes will form.

mustymatic:
Holy Holy... have u seen it? is it the same holy spirit that lets you sin?

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth that Jesus (Isa al Masih) spoke about. The Spirit doesnt force anyone to do anything. The Spirit tells you where NOT to sin, if you still sin, that is your problem. You will face it on judgement day.
Not like Islam where you get (Shot or Flogged or Bombed) when you sin. Instant Judgement. Thus you have turned yourself to God by passing Judgement on other men

sportsmaster:
all these answers are offpoint
You ended up failing the whole point..
what is that tongue of angels.?.
When angels appeared to unto men..
See Judges14 ,Acts 10..
The spoke the regular human language.
You cannot even define the your so-called tongue of angels..

I will now show you that all the people in acts 2 are of Jewish origin.

Thats y its Good to study with patience

In BOLDED above. Sure they were Jews (followers of Jesus). Jesus was a Jew.
So what is the question here? That tongue speaking is only for Jews?

Here are the differences:
Bible is inspired word of God to various Authors. It can be explained to you by the Holy Spirit or Pastor.
Koran is the inspired word of God dictated ONLY to Muhammed. It can be explained to you by Imams (no Holy Spirit).

Judging from the above deductions, you can see where the problem lies.
If a Pastor says, lets go bomb your neighbour... the Holy Spirit will direct Christians.
If the Imam says, strap yourselves and bomb your neighbour... (no Holy Spirit) we know what happens.

Holy Spirit keeps Christians in Check. Who keeps Muslims in Check?

There is NOTHING peaceful about Islam. Look at their history. It has been spread by blood and sustained by blood. I think their definition of peace is BLOOD SHED.

Yeah OP, in addition, the Atheist thinks that the World will be a better place without beliefs in God.
They fail to understand that there is NO VACUUM in NATURE. If we push God out, Man (or something) will become God.
We can see that evident in society today. Men playing God. [Animal Farm - George Orwell] lovely book.
Man himself is a Deity. A lack of belief in Deities (Man or God) is just absurd.

CANTICLES:
Nice one bro , Enoch and Elijah go to heaven , yet Jesus still said " no man has ever ascend to heaven" john 3:13. think

Missing my point. Based on my examples, Man doesnt have to die to leave this World. Besides, there is not guarantee a man will go to heaven if dead. Hell is also an option.

He is saying what King Solomon said:
He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed. - Proverb:13:20

Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. - 1 Corinthians 15:33

sunshine1974:
I visited my sister sometime ago and I followed her to her church and the pastor said dey needed 5 person to donate 100k each for some church use. Surprising my sister stepped out and wrote dem a cheque. I just shook my head. Because I don't think she can ever give any member of her family such an amount yet it was very easy for her to donate to church. The question is dis "giving to church and ur family suffers is it right?" Infact I was in dare need of cash too as at dat time she couldn't even give me 5k.

Correction, it NOT giving to church, it giving to God (or for the work of God).
Also, why will she give a family member (you inclusive) that amount? Your pain comes from the fact that you wish the money was given to you. She was nice enough to accomodate you, you CANNOT tell her how to manage her funds.

There are Christians and there are Church goers. All are welcome and its easy to tell the difference.

Freest:
Hello friends, happy sunday to you all.
Please, how can someone addicted to sex which biblically is fornication stop
Please i know bible says alot about it, but lets better add biblical facts with personal experience.
Thanks


Freest=

Pray to God for help but help yourself by staying away from Porn. No one is born an addict so its not natural.
Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. - 1 Corinthians 15:33

Who says one MUST die to go to Heaven? Did you not read of Enoch and Elijah?

Lateralmaths:
Check you bible, were they believers (Ananias and Sapphira)?

Hmmm, did unbelievers bring their belongings to the Apostles also? Why would they do that?
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. - Acts 5:1-2

Well, I am surprise at the length of this thread.
To them who still believe in "Once Saved Always Saved" go read the messages of Jesus to the Churches of Asia in Revelation Chapter 2 & 3. If that does not convince you, NOTHING else will. Goodluck.

Practical Question:
We probably know of Atheists who were once Born again Christians but now deny God. They even convince other Christians to fall from the faith. So these will also make it to Heaven because they were ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?

I conclude with this:
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. - Revelation 3:21-22

sportsmaster:
You guys do not read in context.You just picked some verses and you built on it..
You still even failed the explanation of Rom6:1
Paul stated earlier "Where sin did abound(have dominion), Grace did much more abound(have dominion).
SIN or GRACE,which will exhaust each other"
it can take me 1-2 hours to explain all of these.
If i have enough time,i will explain the whole of 1cor6 for you within today-tomorrow..
If you interested beep me or otherwise i shd not waste my time..

Sure explain and while there, explain vs Rom 6:2
Then explain the post by Scholar8200 especially the part of Ananias and Sapphira? I am sure they were born again and spirit filled right?

Scholar8200:
Op, if there is unconditional security, what would you say about Judas, Demas, Ananias and Sapphira?
Why would Jesus warn his disciples on the dangers of hell and emphasize the need to watch and take heed?

Jesus said:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - Matthew 7:22-23

JUO:
the manufacturer of the generators says service every 100hrs of usage. But why don't you service yours that way? You dey fine story

Who says I don't. Since I cant measure the time use on my gen, I service every 3 months (plug change 6 months). I have used my generator for 5 years now and she runs great. Good maintenance makes equipment last. I am an IT expert so I know the importance of equipment maintenance.
PS: I didnt make the rules. The manufacturers did.

osile2012:
Its normal to tell people to sit down when u want to feed them. You dont expect him to tell them to stand and eat. Did he kneel down to pray? I thought u said he knelt down to pray ..

Referring to your comment in BOLD:
People stand to eat. Have you not done it? Ever heard of Cocktail?

To the bible:
Jesus knelt down:
And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, - Luke 22:41

Apostle Stephen knelt down:
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. - Acts 7:59-60

Apostle Peter knelt down:
But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up. - Acts 9:40

Apostle Paul knelt down:
And when he had thus spoken, he kneeled down, and prayed with them all. - Acts20:36

Like I said, If you don't want such simple "commands" in church, why not stay at home in peace?

abatically:
And why do I have to change my oil every 3 months unless I tow a lot or use my car for interstate transport covering lots of miles withing these months.

Interstate transporters I know change oil every 2 weeks. Most car manufacturer manual says 5,000 km or 3 months. Time or Distance. You seem to be looking only at distance. How about TIME spent in traffic?
Why would you want to keep oil in your engine more than 3 months? Cos of money or no time to change it?
We don't make cars in Nigeria, it will be wise to follow manufactures specs. They know best. They made the car.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? - Romans 6:1-2

Salvation is NOT a license to sin, it is more like an insurance policy incase you sin. Having an insurance for accident doesnt mean you go around driving recklessly.

Apostle John said: IF we sin, not WHEN we sin. See the difference?
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: - 1 John 2:1

Dont get it twisted:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11