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Weah96:
Religion has bigger issues to worry about than the ordinary end of the world wait time.

Nobody's worrying about the end of the world. Last time I checked, everyone dies. No exceptions. Some holy ghost preachers get called home at 27, same age as some of the unskilled armed robbers gunned down by the police. The world ends for dead people. To threaten someone with end of the world scenario is like peeing in the wind. The thing is inevitable.

The claims in religion go far beyond that business. Religion has in it an inherent, self-verifying method for determining it's vericacy. Islam, for example, is based upon the word of one man. This man told other adults that he spoke with the thing/creature person who made us, Time, and Space. That's like telling everyone that you're f)ucking Oprah. That type of monster claim should be EASY to prove. Why all the run around?

Science, on the other hand, doesn't say what they don't know. Scientists will never tell you that the breasts of female ghosts average so and so. But a religionist won't shy away from empty, nonsense statements like that.

Here is my point. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. There are folks who don't believe that the Earth revolves. What will you do, shoot them? You can call them ignorant but the truth is for all we know, scientists told us so. Have you seen the Earth revolve? No. Do you even feel it revolve? It revolves at 460m/s. Think about it. This is round a 400m track in just 1 second and we don't feel it.
Yet you believe, cos Science said so. There has been fraud reported in science also.

Some say the Apollo never landed on the moon. It was a video from NASA. How can this be prooved. Sometimes, it is wise to let people be with their beliefs (good or bad). You can tell them of an alternative belief (like science or some other religion) but DONT ridicle or condemn cos if the facts of the counter arguements (to the person beliefs) are checked, you will see that it has its own flaws. Neither side is perfect.
Evolutionist counter Creationist. To a neutral man ,both arguments have their flaws so which should he pick? The most "scientific"?

PS: I believe the Earth rotates, its just an example

OgundeleT:
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest
thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he
be wise in his own conceit.
This chapter is somehow contradictory to me please I need somebody to help me our.
SHOULD I ANSWER A FOOL OR NOT? BECAUSE THIS CHAPTER IS CONFUSING ME

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. - Proverb 26:3
Should we flog fools also? NO.

The point is know when to and NOT to answer a fool (wisdom). You have to judge by the circumstances to see which is fitting.
Like the saying, silence is the best answer for a fool. vs 4
Sometimes, mockery is sometimes the answer for a fool. vs 5

menesheh:
You have nothing to loose.


-Wasting your maximum amount of your time praying
- spending your hard earned money on nonsense
-labouring yourself a sinner,
-Enjoying your life secretly (doing things you ought to have been doing freely in the public)
-Devoting your whopping amount of time reading ancient myth.
-Obeying the dictates of ancient men quarter of a chromosome below yours.
-etc

If those other gods you abhorred, one turn out to be the real god, brother you a whole lot to loose

Refering to BOLDED. Dont you think that applies to you also?

MrPresident:
no, jesus never existed.
christianty was invented by paul who suffered an epileptic seizure when he fell from a horse due to extreme hot weather in the desert on his way to damascus.
epilepsy is known to cause severe psychiatric/psychotic disorders such as abnormal mental perception, illusory perception, hallucinatory thoughts, etc..

Sure, just like Adoph Hitler was invented by the West and Russia to attack Germany because of their technological might.
Stop exposing your ignorance. Go and read History. History (atheists and theist) confirm the existence of Jesus.

CHIJIOKE1314:
All of you here are just saying the same thing.

Muslims, Christians, Buddhism etc all of the commit murder, Fornication, adultery, theft, gossips, lies and does all that that their own religion condemns.. only that when caught they find ways to defend their action and blame it to Satan.

ALL really? You should know that such an assumption is FALSE.
How many Christians or Buddhist do you know out of the 7 billion people on Earth that you assume ALL? You should know that the World is bigger than your neighbourhood and since your haven't travelled the World.... DOn't assume

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha religion is bleeped honestly. . .. End of the world, prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrf . . .You will pass the wait down to your future generation 2000 years hence.

The religion of today is the myth of the future...

Well, same as the wait for science "origins of life" will be passed to future generations.

krattoss:
I mean its funny.


Ok, after u ve made it to heaven, what next? U going to stay there for years to years, centuries to centuries, decades to decades? Probably singing, praying, eating host and wine, enjoying ur 72 virgins?


I mean even sometimes life is boring even for the rich, not to talk of eternity.

In my own opinion, eternity will be boring whether in heaven or in hell.


Whats ur take?

In the old days men lived close to 1,000 years. I don't know of any that got bored or that commited suicide.
Also go check, rich men & POOR get bored on Earth and some commit suicide cos they lack hope or have mental issues. There are rich/poor happy men on Earth that will love to live longer days cos they enjoy it.

Its like a 5 year old imagining how a man could live 90 years. He will go, "gee what will I be doing in the next 85 years? Playing in the sand?" Little does he know that there are more experiences in life the higher you go.

That's why you think we will sleep and wake and do our daily chores (of worshiping God). Well, like the 5 year old (with limited thinking) so are we in this World (concerning eternity).

Anyways, going to heaven (if boring or not) is still better than becoming manure after death right?

Juxtified:
It may seem like extravagance to you who dont have a single private jet, but bringing it down to (o)ur level, one can equally ask : Is it right for any christian to have more than 2 pairs of shoes when there are many poor people who don't even have any? How about those who have more than 2 houses, cars? You personally @OP, how many clothes do you have dat u hardly wear, when u know there are many in the streets who have none?
My point is, no matter what you do, how much you give out, there'll always be poor people around. Just do ur own little best and leave God & others to do what they can.

You couldn't have put it better. I have realized that some of these things may be gifts. How do you know that the man didn't have 10 jets before and has disposed of 7. Now its remaining 3?

If a poor man needs N100,000 to meet a need, everyone expects the guy with N5 million in his account to give the poor guy everything.
If he does this, he would have given 1/50 of his money. So what stops the guy with just 5,000 from giving N100 which is also 1/50 of his money? Point is it begins with US (me & you).

johnydon22:
Good

Actually waiting on evolution to tell you the origin of life is a total waste of time, evolution is a branch of study on the development in features and characteristics of organisms not their origin. . If you want scientific hypothesis on the origin of organisms then look into other scientific studies on the origin of life like abiogenesis and others . . you will never find it in the evolutionary theory because thats not what evolution is about

Guess we are waiting on science for the origins of life. Same way religion is waiting for the end of the World.
Whichever comes first... time will tell.

kmzee:
Good evening Fellows and BARK DA SALLAH to Our Muslim brothers .
I bought a TOYOTA COROLLA 2007 late APRIL 2015 but unfortunately
My father passed on 23th-APRIL 2015, burial was scheduled for 8th-May -2015
However on the 10th-May -2015 after the burial I had an accident and My
dear sister died in the accident (so sad and painful) and the body of car badly damaged
(see pics). Im not sure I would the car shape again, if I patronize panel beaters so I opt
to look for the car body to buy.... cos the interior and engine of car are in good condition.
I hope someone on this forum can be of help.
Pls contact me on 08024485218 for any good news
Thanks

Sorry for your loss. Please dont loose more money on this car cos ONLY TOYOTA company can fix it & the cost will almost be the cost of a new one. There are folks who can buy it as it is. It may not be much, but its better than none. Changing body alone will not solve it. Its a WRITE OFF.

or Consider fixing:
1) Leakages in the engine due to impact.
2) The engine may not be as sound as you think (can it still start and how does it sound).
* Mechanic may tell you to change the engine. (changing engine and body = new car)
3) The wheels and gear system may be leaking due to impact.
4) Serious body work has to be done (or new body).
5) All glasses fixed + mirrors.
6) Electrical work, dashboard, airbags and stuff.
7) Transmission, shocks, car seats, interior and boot etc.

These are stuff I can see. As always, closer inspection will reveal more.

TO get magnets that powerful over time, you will need some source of electricity and a coil. Electric source can be a generator or solar.

On the surface without looking at their specs, I will pick the AUDI. Check out that GRILL!

Karmanaut:
Scientists are working on the origin of life not to prove evolution, but to prove Newton's laws of motion, because obviously the laws require the existence of bodies, and according to you a theory is not valid until it proves the axioms it rests upon. (Two can troll; trolling is a art)

Nothing to troll here. Even Scientists agree that lack of proof of life is a flaw in Evolution but hey you Dont think so. Find a post I made earlier.

A central question in evolution is how simple protocells first arose and how they could differ in reproductive output, thus enabling the accumulation of novel biological emergences over time, i.e. biological evolution.
Although a functional protocell has not yet been achieved in a laboratory setting, the goal to understand the process appears well within reach. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocell

Let me know when the proof is found till then it is flawed. No big deal. Just needs more research. Cheers

PS: Refer to the definition of flawed from a post I made earlier. It doesnt mean useless, it just means its imperfect. Still needs more work.

johnydon22:

I am only of the opinion that subjects should be presented as they really are and not wrongly misrepresented to down play it

In evolution land animals came from sea. Traced back far enough, the cats came from water. Anyways, I will agree with Evolution when it stops assumptions and tell us how life began.
Evolution is based on existence of life which it cannot explain its origins. Let me know when it does.

hahn:
Apparently, this is his sole aim. Not to understand but to criticize and probably get "likes" from his fellow disillusionarians

No the aim is to ask evolution where life came from. I stated a thread in the Science section (with better minds than yours) which has not been answered.
Evolution assumes life exists already but from where? This is a question you cant answer yet you believe Evolution? I laugh. Talk about Delusion.

Karmanaut:
Why must it be "evolutionists" that fix it?
When Newton started wondering on gravity, did he have to explain how the apple in the tree came about? Or do you reject the theory of gravitation because Newton doesn't explain how the apple came about?
Bingo! If you know this already, why do you ask the next question? How life came about is no business of evolution; like how the apple is no business of gravitation. Like Teempakguy said above it's not for evolution to explain, but for another theory.


Obviously macroevolution takes longer to occur(think millions of years). Really? The paleontology proofs, biochemical proofs, embryological proofs, etc aren't good enough for you? Or do you want to be present as it occurs?
What foundation is that? That there is life?
Because that's the foundation of evolution according to you, or re you trying to say life doesn't exist?

You analogy is flawed (refering to the BOLDED).
Correction, Evolution is NOT life. Evolution is based on LIFE.

Gravity doesn't only work with Apples. He may as well have pushed a brick off the table edge.
Evolution ONLY works with life. We need to know where life came from. We know the source of Gravity but not the source of Evolution, why? Is that not a valid question.
Well scientist are working on it so that shows its a valid question but till then... the flaw remains.

johnydon22:
Quite the contrary, there are tons of evidences and fossil records that support evolution. . . Evolution is in no way a dumb theory.

I do not subscribe to any theory on the origin of life because "None have been perfected" Once any branch of study is perfected with evidences and proofs as regard the origin of anything then i will subscribe to it, evolution is still under heavy STUDY.... So i maintain "I don't know" because I don't for real and cannot claim to.

I only commented because of the Straw Man fallacies you employ often in this regard. . I don't know if you purposely do it but you just misrepresent and lay a very blatant misconception of the subject so as to drag it down the level you want. At least when you want to argue on a subject, argue on it based on exactly what the subject says, don't misrepresent it.

Other than that, i see no reason to comment

This is why I like interacting with you. You do not know the source of life so you leave it. This is what a LOGICAL person would do.
Some Atheist will give their RIGHT eye to say Evolution is perfect (despite the VERY large fossil GAPS) and so is superior to Religion.
That is the purpose of this thread. Choosing one of 2 percieved "wrongs" doesn't make the wrong you choose right. That is DELUSION in itself.

As for the mockings, we know how Atheists like to mock Religion. I just thought I throw that in the mix so they have a taste of it.
Those pics are funny though. The car was a Joke though (Its non living) but then it is assumed that life came from non living.
The truth is those other pics are the kind of stuff Evolutionist want us to believe. (Grasshoppers from Fish, Cats from Sharks). Oh please!
Tell a 5 year old.

Rilwayne001:
Copy/paste war..Ti e ti ta laaro yii.

...and your questions came from your head?

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Bro, here is my answer to this thread.
Misconceptions happen when context is poorly understood. I have seen many threads on NL started cos someone did not understand context. I will not explain English context anyone except a believer. This is not the case here. Those asking questions DONT seek to learn EVEN when VALID answers are given, so whats the point?

Teempakguy:
evolution is not that general. It assume the existence of the protocell in order to function. However, explaining the origin of the protocell will be left for ANOTHER theory.
It is not compulsory for a single theory to explain all of life.

Refering to the BOLDED above. Evolutionist MUST fix this foundation. I never saw a man who built a house on a faulty foundation and is expecting someone else to come fix it for him.

The foundation of evolution is that life already exists. How did life come about? This is my question. Evolution is built on a faulty foundation which should be questioned.

hiroz:
op the problem here is that the time span is so long, in millions of years... our mind cant grasp this... these creatures took a long time to get to their present state.. and creatures are still evolving today ... we can never really achieve great understanding of evolution. we can only propound theory to explain observable phenomena...

The ONLY evolution seen today is MICRO. There is no record of MACRO evolution to form new KINDS of animals or plants. Even at that, evolution is built on a FAULTY foundation. Either this foundation is strenghtened by more evidence or it will soon fall.

podosci:
The same illogical science made it possible for you to use your mobile phone to post on nairaland....abi did your God say "let there be mobile phone" and there was mobile phone....nop, rather through decades of research we we're able to developed the mobile phone you are using, developed the internet, developed spaceships to fly us out of earth.
What we don't know is attributed to God, if somebody comes to you and tells you God created the internet, I am sure you would slap the person. Once we start knowing things our belief in God diminishes and our ignorance reduces
One day we shall discovered the truth behind creation and know the biological process that lead to life. And that day is the day God officially dies

Your post is the most honest here. Most others brush aside what they cant answer. I used simple language (not scientific) so all can understand.

Evolution assumes that life existed. How the life came about, it doesn't say. Am I to believe this cos I don't want to believe in God?
Is running from one percieved lie to another automatically make the 2nd lie the truth?

Science has served mankind. This doesn't mean we should swallow EVERYTHING science tells us especially when it is STILL DEBATED in the science community. Not ALL Scientist agree on Big Bang or Evolution.
Like you said (BOLDED in your QUOTE), until the day Evolution and Big Bang can be stated as FACTS not assumptions or hypothesis, it will be wrong for ANYONE to try to use it as to DEBUNK GOD.

Hence the question, who is wise? A believe in the Evolution/Big Bang (assumption) or Religious (assumption)?

krattoss:
Op cant even differemntiate beetween scientfic theories and atheism.

You cant DIFFERENTIATE your spelling either.

krattoss:
Op i guess u should go and regroup and come with better and meaninigful argument. Not all these elemantary logics.

Its simple enough. Evolution rides on the foundation of life. How did the life come? Abiogenesis a foundation of Evolution is still being debated in Science. Go see for yourself if you really seek the truth

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha Bro, you don't even know the difference between an inanimate object and an organic matter...lool... am not supposed to teach young people science, at least not on naialand...its not an obligation, anyone can read if they want to

Bro, I am surprised to see your post. I know you dont agree with Evolution cos its dumb. So I said SOME atheist not ALL

podosci:
1)You criticize people who believe in the big bang while you yourself believe God came from nothing? Who are Gods parents, what created God, if you believe God came from nothing while your criticize the big bang theory then you are an hypocrate
2) You criticize those who believe in evotion while you accept the Bibles theory of creation? The Bible claims God created Adam and Eve, they gave birth to two sons.... how did the two sons alone populate the earth? they must have had sex with their mother( Eve). so you accept that you are a product of incest between mother and son but refute the idea of evolution....another level of hypocrasy

I will accept the concept of an invisible creator than that sharks in water turned into cats and walked on land over time.

To those saying my assumption of cars (non living) evolving is false...
johnydon22, freecocoa, menesheh, podosci and others

Hmmm. From the big bang, atoms were formed. How did these atoms form rocks which collided to form planet Earth which now has living things that evolved to man?

Is this not living things being formed from non-living? So given enough time cars will evolve into driving themselves and talking right? I laugh.

In an attempt to debunk Gods existence which Atheists say is illogical, they have embraced illogical theories themselves. The problem is they think their illogical theories are MORE SUPERIOR cos its backed by some scientists. You fail to know that ALL of science doesnt agree to it. So who is wise?

Many Atheist claim that Theist have mental problems by believing in a "non existent" God. They feel they are more intelligent than religious folks.
Ok lets see some facts out of many:
1) Many Atheist are superstitious. They believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus but those that believe in God are crazy.
2) They believe a Big Bang came from nothing. So, in the begining there was nothing, then NOTHING exploded and something formed.
3) They believe in Evolution which is probably "VERY SMART" in that given enough time, glass, plastic, water, engine oil and metals can EVOLVE into a car.

So how wise are these folks? One scripture comes to mind... Romans 1:22-23

So why should any Pastor tell you EVERYTHING in the bible when you have a copy to READ for YOURSELF?

psucc:
I also believe the researchers are mentally derange.

You are RIGHT. Here is why.

[size=14pt]According to the same organization (American Psychiatric Association) APA until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. So where did the GAY mental illness go?
Could it be that the APA guys have contracted the GAY sickness and now think Religious folks are the sick ones? Hmmm, interesting stuff though.[/size]

KanwuliaJara:
God took ONE rib!
Not one pia!

The bible did not specify so I gave you the two possible scenerios. If that doesn't satisfy your question, I don't know what will.
I see the matter as irrelivant to my Christian growth. I just thought I should clear it up for you. Read my post again (pair or 1).

KanwuliaJara:
MEN and women have 12 pairs of ribs (a few individuals have 13 or 11 pairs). The idea that men have fewer ribs than women is widespread but wrong, perhaps deriving from the biblical story of Eve being made from one of Adam's ribs.

From your quote above, lets assume Adam had 13 and God took 1 (pair). So 13-1 = 12.
or If he had 12 and God took 1 (pair). So 12 - 1 = 11.

If God took just one piece from one side (half). The he would have 13 on one side and 12 on the other; or 12 on one side and 11 on the other depending on the original number he had 12 or 13.

So what is the big deal? He will still live normally with the 12 like every normal human. This DOES NOT mean that his offspring will have the same ribs(s) lacking.

Freksy:
I know you won't admit but would cling to the flawed rib logic religiously. Answer the question below let see how sincere you are.

If you lose one of your ribs, is it logical to conclude that those of your children will be less one?

Dont mind the Dude or Gal. Its is such people that can say that Tribal Marks or Tatoos can be passed to offspring.

KanwuliaJara:
But the same "Apple" hook all una for throat abi?
Oya continue with the "biology"!

*thinking of my next move*

MEN and women have 12 pairs of ribs (a few individuals have 13 or 11 pairs). The idea that men have fewer ribs than women is widespread but wrong, perhaps deriving from the biblical story of Eve being made from one of Adam's ribs.

So now you know that lack of ribs is not genetic.
Let me ask, if Adam, Eve and the apple are myths, where did man come from?

Reiyvinn:
Time to face this once and for all. All the going-around-circles must stop.

God created heaven and earth and everything in them, right? (Revelation 10:6 cf. Surah Al-A'raf, 7:54)

God resides in heaven, right? (Psalm 115:3 cf. Surah Al-Mulk, 67:16)

Where was God before Heaven and Earth were created?!

Heavens and Earth (just the one planet). The bible doesn't say so I will have to ask Him when I get to heaven.
However, I can assume He was in some other planet apart from Earth. Perhaps just chilling in Mars or Jupiter or some other Galaxy in the vast outer space.

KanwuliaJara:
Make una come hear ooooooh!
Are you saying the work of your "God" was an "accident"?

No, that is what YOU are saying. Kindly re-read my post as that is NOT what I said.
There is nothing new in my post. All I stated was basic Biology which is common knowledge.

Windows for PC has the highest. Android is still catching up.

This is the problem of Christians today. Everyone is an EXPERT. Apostle Paul warned:

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:9

Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. - 1 Timothy 1:4

Start studying the bible you have. Trust the Lord to guide you. He will direct you to get ANOTHER bible if need be.