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ifeness:
Have you ever wondered why thousands of "holy" books were burn around the world that showed christianity is copy-cat?

At least you know your religion is man-made

No. I didn't say it was man-made. I said "let me agree with you for a MOMENT".
Christianity is based on the birth, life, death and ressurection of Jesus (the son of God). Nothing man-made about that.

As for the burning of books, you know that many Christians and Bibles were burnt also. Was this also due to copying?

UncleSnr:
In the US, the number of non-religious people has more than doubled from 14.3 million in 1990 to 29.4 million in 2001; their proportion has grown from just eight percent of the total in 1990 to over fourteen percent in 2001.

This was the greatest increase in absolute as well as in percentage terms among all religious groups.

Source: 2001 American Religious Identification Survey.

Considering that the population of US is over 300 million, what percentage is that? Roughly 10%.
Most Atheists falsely potray US and the "Developed World" as a non-religious. This is FALSE.
Also blaming religion for the poverty seen in Africa. This is sooo FALSE.
Religious beleifs has NOTHING to do with Poverty. There are poor Christians, and rich Atheist and vice versa.

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. - Matt 5:45

ifeness:
There is no Evidence Luke wrote anything. How come the books of Luke and Matthew contradicted each other a lot? Besides there weren't written in first person singular. Reading the book of Luke did not strike anyone as if he wrote it but rather a story written by a third party. Why should you believe the stories of a man who had no evidence of the day he was born. It should have at least been documented since other aspects of his life were documented....like irrelevant stories of turning water in to wine.

How was the world created? The world wasn't created. Just like a Volcanic mountains were formed from molten magma and collusion of gases a planet like our out of trillions was formed.


ABOUT THE ZODIAC SIGNS.

Egyptians founded the system of a Twelve-God theology: Euterpe iv. The Hebrews certainly at times worshipped the Sun, Moon, seven planets, and the Star Rulers of the Twelve Zodiacal Signs. Christianity isn't origin and was borrowed from other religion.

Refering to the BOLDED:
Collision of gases formed trees, birds, 70% water on the planet, giraffes and man. Can order come out of chaos?
Hmmm, I guess my Car (far less complex than Earth) wasn't created. It just came into being by collision of metals, plastic, rubber, oils and water over time. Try telling that to a 5 year old.

About the Copying:
I can only say that the similarities between various cultures may be a proof of common ancestory as in the Tower of Babel.

True, Christianity is not the first "religion".
...but let me agree with you for a moment that some stuff were copied. Does this copying now invalidate it?

Bill Gates didn't develop the first software, Apple didn't develop the first phone and Toyota didn't develop the first car. They copied from somewhere so do we throw Apple, Microsoft ane Toyota products away as COPIED trash?

ifeness:
So you don't know the date?? Meaning you have no clue if it was Pagan originated or not.

I don't celebrate birthdays because they mean nothing to me.

Resurrection of Jesus was actually for the resurrection of the Sun hidden in Rome created christianity. How could you even celebrate what you are not sure of?

Judas symbolized Scorpio(kiss of death) Apparently non of those guys existed. According to the Bible, the water bearer is the Age of Aquarius which you probably have no clue of.

This is why I keep say Christianity an a cult and Christians are clueless.

There are many grand parents who cannot remember their birthdays due to poor documentation, however the period is known.
Does that mean we should ignore such elders because we are not sure?

Apostle Luke documents the PERIOD of Christ's birth, the rulers at the time and all that.
Besides, what will it matter is you knew the exact date? Will it change the fact that He was born or died?

Did you stop to think that there are 12 disciples:
- because of the 12 tribes of Israel
- 12 hours of daylight or night
- because Jesus just wanted 12?
There are many things that are 12. Besides, Apostle Luke accounts that there were 120 disciples at the time of Pentecost.
There was a time Jesus had over 70 followers. So what does this 70 or 120 represent? Oh please!

Google def:
Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

Refering to the def above, Christianity can be called a cult. You didn't answer my question on creation. How was the Earth formed?

ifeness:
I am no Catholic and never was. Can you kindly tell me why you acknowledge Christmas and Easter? Including the 12 Zodiac signs aka 12 disciples of Jesus/SUN,Virgin birth and ritually drinking the blood of Jesus/Horus. Why is your Jesus's story similar to Horus's? I could go on with all the bullshit.

We celebrate what we acknowledge. On that basis:
Christmas: The birth of Jesus [not the exact date]. (I am sure you celebrate the birthdays of folks close to you)
Easter: Ressurection of Jesus. (Celebration of our hope & His victory over death. Just like celebrate Independence or Democracy day)
Well, I don't know about Jesus and Horus comparism.

Questions for you:
If Jesus disciples are the 12 zodiac signs, which sign is Judas?
How the Earth was formed?

I don't know where people get these logic from.
1) Accepting God is denying Reality.
2) Accepting God is denying Science.

This is not true.
I beleive in Science and I beleive in God. Infact daily science has continued to reveal the awesome nature of the Creator.

No wonder apostle Paul said:
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Romans 1:20

Lateralmaths:
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Hebrews 6
1 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. 2 You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.

4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come—6 and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.

7 When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. 8 But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it.

9 Dear friends, even though we are talking this way, we really don’t believe it applies to you. We are confident that you are meant for better things, things that come with salvation.

look at verse 9 properly.

All this scripture and the question remains unanswered. I perceive the question is beyond you. I suggest you consult your Pastor for an answer. Questions like this can come up during Evangelism. It will help you to know the answer before hand. Cheers

NumberOne2:
I asked this question before and it was ignored:
You probably know or heard of Atheists who were once Born again Christians but now deny God. They even convince other Christians to fall from the faith (to deny God's existence).
So will this Atheist also make it to Heaven because they were ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?

ifeness:
Poor follower of Venetian religion. You are nothing but a Pagan without you knowing

Google def:
Venetian: of or relating to Venice or its people.
Pagan: a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.

Again you are wrong.
Christianity did not begin in Venice. However, I perceive you were a Catholic before becoming an Atheist.
Also from the def of Pagan above, Atheist are the pagans.

menesheh:
Religion is mostly for poor and uneducated Africa who knew nothing of what they upholding. Invite those religious dogmas for a chat or debate, you will be amazed that they know nothing of the root, expansion and tenets of the the idea they adhering to. They knew nothing about the writers of the bible, how it came about, the brains behind the ideas. Only what they know is believe with faith. What a freaking nonsensical word.

People are still making pretty huge sum from these weird ideas of religion especially Christianity in Africa but i pray you in the near future , it will reduce drastically with the high level of Internet penetration and education.

False statement. Refering to the BOLDED.
The largest economy in the World is still very religious. Religion has NOTHING to do with Poverty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

Wealthy Arab nations are still VERY Religious.

ifeness:
Apparently God is also an Atheist.

Nope.
For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, - Hebrew 6:13

This is why
For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. - Hebrew 6:16

...Since there is none greater than God.

1 - A guy be selling book titled How to be a Millionaire in the HOT SUN.
2 - Football fans advice the Coach how to win the game.
3 - A Banker advice a Doctor on the drugs to prescribe.
4 - Atheists advicing on how to start a religion.

... and I thought I had seen it all.

This happens when folks function WITHOUT the Holy Spirit.

Menobista:
Our christian brothers were arguing each in a cyber cafe about there beliefs. One guy stood up and asked all of them: IS GOD A CHRISTIAN, nobody in the cafe altered a word. So i want my nairaland friends to give me an answer to that question...

No God is NOT a Christian and CANNOT be.

Google def of Christian:
A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. - Acts 11:26

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sportsmaster:
are those people referred in vs 14 ,the same as those referred to in vs 11..?

Never take scriptures out of context.
Always study referrentially.
i never said you know nothing,I said you know little.
Pick your bible and study
I told u earlier you have little knowledge of the word?

In BOLD. You did say I know nothing. Both statements made by you... but its okay.
Goodluck

sportsmaster:
Is Ephesians 4:11-13:- in your bible.
You know nothing bro..
then Grab your bible and study.
like you said

EMILO2STAY:
whats your argument pls, i dont get you.

No arguement just an addition. I argue with Atheist, I reason with Christians. Cheers

sportsmaster:
Is Ephesians 4:11-13:- in your bible.
You know nothing bro..
then Grab your bible and study.
like you said

I know nothing? Hmmm, such arrogance? Is that a fruit of the Spirit? Now I see the problem.

The scripture you quoted is true: Eph:4:11-13

How come you missed vs 14 of the same passage?
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive - Ephesians 4:14

Also see:
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. - Act 17:11

Finally, I hope you will be able to answer my SIMPLE question below or you could ask your Pastor. Cheers.

NumberOne2:
I asked this question before and it was ignored:
You probably know or heard of Atheists who were once Born again Christians but now deny God. They even convince other Christians to fall from the faith (to deny God's existence).
So will this Atheist also make it to Heaven because they were ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?

sportsmaster:
matt12:31:- All manner of Sin and blasphemy will be forgiven but blasphemy against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven,not only in this world,even that which is to come..

lemme give you the back ground of this text,so you will not take it out of CONTEXT.
Jesus had explained earlier and also further explained that,the work of the Holy Ghost is to convict the world of sin and convince them to believe the Gospel(Christ).
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost in this Context to "reject,refuse,ignore" salvation i.e Unbelief towards the Gospel of Christ,that is the only Sin that cannot be forgiven.

My advice for you bro.Study harder..

Visit livingwordmedia.org and search for teachings,view several topics,check the article section.
There is a teaching on,
when(if) believers sin..
Spend quality time to Study.

SELAH

This long essay is not neccessary. Just answer the question and you will see that it goes agains "saved once, always saved theory".
There are many of such ex-Christian Atheists around. If they will make it to Heaven, I guess angel Lucifer will also.

PS: The Holy Spirit is better than any Pastor or Website. Listen to Him (meditate on the Word)

Naital:
Very funny.

Your Holy Book obviously thinks the celestial bodies are tiny crayons that can be melted away.

I laff in Japanese

What is funny here, have you not seen mountains melt by volcanic activity? Have you not heard of Supernova the death of a star?

EMILO2STAY:
the bible is of no personal interpretation. Why dont u allow the bible to explain itself before jumping into hasty conclutions.

This term paradise is not abrahams bossom or any other imaginary place we go when we die , but refers only to heaven. 2 corinthians 12.2-4, revelation 2.7,rev.22.2.this explains that the tree of life is in the new jerusalem. Rev.21.2-3. After the resurrection of the dead mentioned in rev.20. Only at that time will men dwell with jesus in paradise.

In conclution jesus never said nor implied that the dying man would be with him in heaven or paradise that very day, jesus was encouraging him by solemnly assuring him that a time will come in God's future kingdom on earth when he will be resurrected and be united with christ again.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. - John 14:2-3

So where is this fathers house that Jesus is going to? Is it the house of Joseph in Nazareth his earthly father or the house of God his heavenly father?

sportsmaster:
salvation is a gift from God,one can choose to receive or reject it.

The Atheist in my question was once saved. So let me get you. You can be saved once until you reject salvation?

I asked this question before and it was ignored:
You probably know or heard of Atheists who were once Born again Christians but now deny God. They even convince other Christians to fall from the faith (to deny God's existence).
So will this Atheist also make it to Heaven because they were ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?

So sportsmaster, is the above Atheist still saved?

johnydon22:
nope witches are humans alleged to possess preternatural powers. .

A superstition is a belief that is not based on logic or reason. I thought Atheist were LOGICAL and REALISTIC?

johnydon22:
let me give you thousand other examples. .
There was a greek heracles (hercules) whose story was also well documented.

there was an egyptian God osiris who story is well documented in ancient egyptian papyrus.

there is also Zeus and other Olympian Gods whose stories appear too on homer's Iliad and other greek antiquities

we can go on forever. . . that is exactly the cooking up we are talking about..

You can tell me hercules and jesus are greek and jew respectively and lived somewhere in greece and isreal sometime ago. . i definitely have no problem with that.

but when you start telling me hercules was born when a god came and got his mother pregnant, helped atlas carry the earth, carried a over large stone up a mountain or jesus was born when a god came and got his mom pregnant, walked on water etc. . . That is exactly where cooking up stories are

Hmmm, so Super Humans don't exist? Cos there are some well documented even alive today.

johnydon22:
1) define deity

2)what sort of imaginary belief vacuum are you trying to create exactly
so since you obviously think it is necessary for you to have belief in something why dont you just confine it to the natural examples you gave me like doctor not being a psycho, why cook up unnecessary imaginative concepts like god(s) because you need to heap your beliefs somewhere for which ever reason

Didn't cook them up neither are they imaginary. Let me give you an example out of many.
There was a Jew named Jesus whose story is well documented. You can even check through history or google.
Is that also cooked up?

johnydon22:
belief makes nothing true. . . whether you believe something or not doesnt make it true. . that you belief your neighbour is NOT serial killer doesn't make your neighbour to a serial killer if he is one.

that you believe your doctors prescriptions will work still wouldnt make them work if they are not the right ones.

that you belief the pilot is Not a psycho that will crash the plane still doesn't make him not to be a psycho if he is one. .

so you see belief bears absolutely no weight on certainty...

Missing my point. Like I said... Man is a Beleiver (hence the need for the vacuum to be filled either by God or Man which are both Deities).

johnydon22:
is god a witch?

it all falls to belief.... the person may believe that there are witches but lack belief there are god(s)


just like someone can also disbelief there are witches but believes there is a god or gods.

saying belief in witches contradicts disbelief in deities is like saying disbelief in witches contradicts belief in deities. . . those are independent concepts

.. but witches are SUPERNATURAL BEINGS just like gods.

davien:
And if you want to say I'm my own god for disbelieving in god/gods,then I'll be content knowing that I actually show and express more empathy towards fellow human beings than yours is described to be in the bible....

Good, now you get my point: Man is a deity. Some have been and are still been worship.

johnydon22:
Bolded, Its very good you are aware it is mere belief and not certainty, believing in imaginary concepts by a majority does not make it a certainty.... You do not have a belief that you can see, you know you can see and that is sheer certainty

Man is a believer irrespective of your views. Our daily lives requires beleif (conscious or unconscious).
Belief that your neighbour is NOT a serial killer, or your Doctors prescription will work. Belief that the plane pilot is NOT a psycho that will crash the plane.

DProDG:
My main question was whether or not the concept of a deity is necessary. Yes? Why do you thinks so? Must we have an arbitrary entity to worship?

I didn't speak of worship. The Devil is a deity, so are Angels as well as Man. I don't worship them. You need not worship them BUT you need not deny their existence (deities).
P.S: Leave your "Done away with" argument. It is a false claim. The stats YOU posted shows it.

Atheism is absurd because it doesn't believe in deities but there are over 7 billion of them on this planet.

undercat:
An atheist can be superstitious. A theist can hold no superstitious belief, or even a belief in the supernatural.

Is that not a contradiction looking at those definitions?
So one can be scared of the devil (witches) but there is no god?

johnydon22:
Let us clear this once and for all. . .
Atheism means only one thing and that is exactly what you posted on your op
DISBELIEF IN DEITIES and that is all. . .
you can believe that big foot exist, spiderman exist, unicorns, vampires exists. . . the only thing that labels someone an atheist is disbelief in gods

bro the supernatural beings you added to the definition of superstition isn't there from the google which you got that definition from, it only says supernatural
http://www.google.com.ng/search?q=superstition i think we all would appreciate it if you can be honest in your post and throw every deception out the window.

according to google superstition is excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural. everyone can look it up by typing superstition in www.google.com.ng

superstitious beliefs includes witchcrafts, magic, ghosts etc. . . so someone can still believe these things and lacks belief in a god or gods. .

so yes someone who lacks belief in god(s) (atheist) can still be superstitious

There is NO deception. I got both defs from google. Yours point so WIKIPEDIA.
Here are the links to the Google def.

Superstition:
https://www.google.com/search?q=meaning+of+superstition

Atheist:
https://www.google.com/search?q=meaning+of+atheist