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Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 5:55am On May 19, 2015
GooseBaba:
^^^^''^^^^^first rule of magic. Always be the smartest person in the room..... People are already looking to be entertained. A good magician always protects his/her secret.

Besides, there is always an ah ha moment when you finally see how things Actually work. Because, you don't understand how it works does not make it supernatural.
a good magician dont need be a memeber of illumnalti.......................

moreover, his walking on water has never been done by any illusionist, in open daylight...............u must still be deluded to think this is ordinary illusion.

lastly, most times he dosnt do it for entertainment, he does it for proving he has broken a recored, for many of his illusion is done on the street where he just would suddenly appear and perform a particular feat so that all can see and spread the message.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 7:44pm On May 16, 2015
frank317:
I used to believe in miracles and the power of God... Grew up in a very strong christian home, dad a pastor in watchman. I grew up with bornagains and even fanatic Christians who had faith that amazed me.

I have seen people who have held tigth unto this non existent God and putting all their faith in him. Trust me, since I started asking questions, I have taken my time to analyze the life of every Christian I know. They were just people living in hope (as u rigthly said, relgion actually give hope to the hopeless). Yet the fact still remained, apart from their laughable claim, they are just as normal as everyone. They work hard like ever other person, go through joy and pain and all that. The only difference between christian and a none christian is that they attribute every good thing in their life to God. They just force him tobbe part of their life.

My point is that I have never seen miracle in my thirty something years of living and I lived among miracle mongers. All miracle I investigated where bebunked. I don't believe miracles exist because

1. I have never ever witnessed one neither have I ever seen any one who had seen miracle that I couldn't prove wrong.

2. The believe in miracle (assuming I give it benefit of doubt and believe it) does not add value to my life. Its a useless emotional venture for me.

So why will I waste my time believeing so strongly in something that I have never seen and is also very very useless to me?
well for guys saying chris said bla bla and bla.

chris is a member of the reknown illuminalty

its okay if u dont beleive, but to justify magicians act as acts learnt, one must be deluded.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMpFmxCcJks





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG3sp6rDgn0






in this second video, watch very well, he walks on water, live. infact towards the end, ferdinard was film in one of his this guys numerous magics, ex man u player, tell me u dont beleive but please dont explain what chris angel do or does, u might delude urself but people arent blind. Tthe second video is a must watch for u guys, but please dont explain it.


for the guy talking about emotion, ofcourse thats what a man is, an emotional being, beleive inanythn requires emotion.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3YLneFhr60

Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 4:18pm On May 15, 2015
frank317:
You can post all the vedios about tb Joshua... He failed when he could heal everybody and couldn't heal my mum... That alone told me something was fishy... Ya right, how many people died in his backyard when he couldn't see a pending doom right there in his face. That's another failure for someone who could see impending doom for something that could happen acrross the shaws of Nigeria. What did he say about the chiboj girls again?

Seriously u insult my intelligence by posting me a vedio of tb Joshua healing some random people.
Yea ur mum adn my mum were not healed, thats dosnt mean GOD dosnt exist.

what inteeligence did i insult? what exactly is that intelligence, here u were proving at a time some acts were illusions and not supernatural but here u felt ur intelligence was insulted because a put a fact to you that i find consultants sitting aroun a large table discursing and glorifying GOD.THIS thingn u beleive is not ATHEISM...............................FACT. U ARE BITTER COS OF UR MUM,another fact, but look at it from a deep angle and say u dont understand how this works and that will be a good debate, but to say this subject of test is nothing to use as a case study then what other evidencies do we need.


if u live for 50years, then its assumne u slept for at least 6-7 HOURS of ones life PER DAY, that alone could mean sleeping more than 18 years of ones life.this days science is investigating astral travel and out of body experience and studis are going on, now we realise, its fact that there is a soul in man and the soul in man is ethrnal, cant die, what dies is the physical body, obe and astral have been put on test and people can now get out of their body, so this physical body is not us but just an enclosement. a soul will someday be detach from its enclosement and thats where we know that what happens to man goes beyond eartly struggles, life always continue.

spirituality is about ethernal life and thats what JESUS teaches, now on healing and deliverance, this are grace bound area, just like a man can be closer to GOD yet be pure and a MAN could extremly rich yet be sick, overiding nature for mansake is grace......many like u and me can get to that stage of healing, APOSTLE JOSHUA SELMA, a northerner who was an atheist convert to xtianity,now he heals peopel on daily basis without the camera effect we saw on tb, THIS WAY WE CAN DO ALL THIGNS THRU CHRIST THAT STRENGHTEN US.



am out of here, but like i like to say living in oblivion about a subject wont make the subject go away, thank God the church is rising to its expectation, we dont need TB FOR HEALING WHILE WE OURSELF CAN GET TO WHERE HE GOT TO, THE MOST HOLY FAITH, here its not about sin but about conditioning ourself to receive from God and serve humanity.



THANK U SIRE.
SHALOM
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 1:59pm On May 15, 2015
frank317:
My brother, I really don't have much to tell her.

@nutarius.... I have watched those vedios and I am not convinced. You see, the difference between me and you is that l look at that vedios and say "damn that's a good trick" but you look at it and say..."wow!! This is magicband miracle, there is Godooooo, no wonder Jesus was born by a Virgin"

Chris can never cut me into two and I remain alive. No matter how real it is there are some well articulated tricks involved. But if he cuts me or my friend or my relation... I will believe. So me ask you... Have u ever been cut into two by any magician? If not why are you just convinced by what you see and hear.



If you say u are a scientist then science must be a joke.

Like I said, people are learning new skills everyday... A scientist does not sit down and allow people do him the more you look, the less you understand. A scientist doubts and ask questions.

If our fore fathers had magic why didn't they over come the white man. If Nigeria has God (given the way we go to church) why are we still in a mess.

Let me answer you... Because human effort is human effort, no matter the magic we ascribe to it. That's why despite all ya Christians and Muslims worship a whole creator of the world and call ur selves his children, you still have to work hard, and think hard to succeed. And that brings me to the question I have been asking,.... Of what you magic or worshiping God to us when at the end of the day we still rely on empirical reasoning to survive? Is it not just a waste of emotional energy? If you worship God, why do u still work hard to make a living? Even Jonathan's children will not work as hard as you, who claims to be the child of the creator.

If I have to work hard like any other person despite being in relationship with the creator... Then religion and any seeming magic is nothing but a huge FRAUD
yea i do agree with your points, look back and see me agreeing, my arquement is and would be, that we feign ignorance dont solve this myths, science dont give room for myths.

for example i have never seeen a magician or an illusionist do what TB JOSHUA does, healing leg ulcers in 3 weeks? healing cancer in days, for example, the lady i told u i directed to scoan , not cause i beleive but to give him some kind of hope, the lasy was told by our reveered consultant that she should prepare for death,his words are, keep ur home in order, i have heard this countless of time. Consultants are lord in medcine, when i have seen them give their scientific teaches to book only to be debunk by this Miracles,

i dint get here by just waking up and assuming there is GOD, NOPE, i have followd numerous debates from world known Atheist and i have never seen a real atheist tht said JESUS dint exist, nope thats not the arquement, for there were many historians in his time that scholars can follow their record , we know a man name JESUS EXISTED, the raw arquement is his deity, is he GOD? THATS the arquement.so to say JESUS never existed is a funny allusion.

Frank,the difference btw you and i is that while u really beleive in those words, feigning oblivion, me i need answers for lotta ftins, i can just say its illusion, like sitting down and watching a mortal man heal the FA chairman of zimbabwe of lower limb paralysis aint no illusion or magic for magicians dont do that, they are limited there. like watching a non ambulating cripple ambulating, this aint illusions.

thats said, my work demands i give people hope, that i realize is the most important thign to man, dunno if u have heard of this popular research where 5 mice were put in a hollow hole without light first day, the 5 dint died in approx 32hours, then the second round research , 5 rats were put in same hollow hole and a faint ray of light coming from the top, they kept hoping up towards the ray of light, the first death in this second experiment is 4days, followed my last on the 5th day, HOPE is important to a man. now there some situation that our natural environment dont give us that hope, when the last drain of hope is down, then a man gives up. now am not talking about carreer, money making etc, am talking about near death..................................................i have given people such hope in Jesus deity and he has saved many, lost count.

i followed all debates on atheism, islam, ctianity, i have done lots of studies.............................there many of this debates on youtubes, theree is this guy who was a devotted atheist but converted to xtianty, DAVID WOOD, a good freind of my younger cousins in the state, no one has grasp this two beleives and defend it anywhere than him, he debates muslims, atheist etc like myself he is a medical or paramedics.

scinence has done more to help us, but there is sometn beyond the realm of science that can take over from science..............................................................................initially i never doubetd that a name JESUS EXISTED, what i never beleive is his deity, tht the general beleive in Atheism, if one will be truthful, now i beleive in his deity, thats the difference, i have learnt alot , lots. but repeat from my first write up, i never preach Accept JESUS. nope, my first use of that name is psychology and his message in regards the subject in discusion, like gandhi, he preach peace tooo........................thats philosophy, so for anybody feeling like am saying accept JESUS, thats not my business. but even as an atheist then i never doubted such messages of a philosopher, what i doubt then is his deity.(am vast in this atheism of a thign) but i cant letgo of what i see and is not in the books.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrZLu04A3jQ








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS0aTX5UlfQ




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Aakvj-HSKw





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Aakvj-HSKw






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq1swGF45O8






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzZm6kyjYVk





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOOyT1q3cHw





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLerUJoP32w



i wait for ur illusionsit explanations, i wait for ur magical explanations, i waited for ur physcological explanation for this.................................?
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 1:12pm On May 15, 2015
dalaman:
So the display of magic and illusion by tricksters means deities are real? I saw you write about Chris Angel, but hope you know that Chris Angle himself said it that as far as he knows no human being has any supernatural powers, they all use tricks and special effects to deceive their audience.It's all an illusion. The Sango people you saw were magicians that ascribe their tricks to their deities, just like the people in the video you posted, the only diffrence is the people in the videos do not ascribe it to any deity, they just do it for fun. If they were Nigerians you'll claim they have supernatural powers and that their gods are real.
if u follow my arquement i said there is alot that happen here on earth that science will never get answer for, those videos were for frank.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 3:51am On May 15, 2015
frank317:
Fire coming out of ones mouth? Is he a mutant?

Chris angel is an illusionist... He is neither a demon or a spiritual being. Or do u think he is an angel? Chris has perfected in his act, all he are explainable. There are so many illusionist out there trying to out do the other, trust me, they will keep getting better. Its their livelihood.

That's why I face mine. Doctors are getting better at surgery. Even changing a man to a woman

Engineers and scientists are coming up with more complex ideas

Illusionists are doing theirs

Even pastors are getting better at their game.

But we lazy Nigerians will pray pray pray and pray, waiting for miracle. Yet we are the ones who patronize those who have perfected their act. We use the best cars, but the most expensive private jets, travel abroad for treatment, use the best cell phones.

How long will you wait for magic? How long will u pray?

And the killer question... Since you believe in magic... What has this belief done for you. I can answer. It made u delusioned and allowed cognitive dissonance to set in.

Besides if you so much belief in miracle why are u a nurse? Is it not a waste of emotional energy when you do absolutely nothing with this belief? Can't you also perfect in the magic you belief and make a living out of it like chris angel and tb Joshua?

But the best advice is... Leave all these distractions and strive to be the best nurse in your environment.
ohhhhhh i miss the part where u said fire coming out of a man, is he a mutant, are u sure u are in nigeria?

there is this sport event that happen in nigerian during OBASANJO'S TIME, dont remebr, maybe its common wealth or some sports, i will find out .......................and tell u.

Nigeria showed their rich culture by using sango man to light fire touch.........................and an oya worshipper to put the fire out......live on tv


nta aired it then, but have seen this on one on one view like 3 times now, its a fact. since u are in NIGERIA, when u go to work just find out about if its true or not, in fact any household that worship the sango deity will have a priest that can do that, i am not telling u fables, this thign are real.

i wish i can lay my hands on that sport then, obj and many african president were there, i dont know where u grew up..........................but i tell u deny it till tomao for arguement cases, this deities are real.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMfYgbWerww














https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV11mIYp-FY














and this guys are not as perfect as the ones i have seeen live, for this ones need fire to start fire, nigerian sango worshippers can do generate fire with needing a fire to start it, science dont explain thigns like this.

sorry for typing errors, browsing on duty.lol
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 3:23am On May 15, 2015
traware:
1.This incident happened about two years ago.The young man was being forced by matchete-wielding men behind the camera to have sex with the goat he tried to steal.Worse things have happened to petty thieves in Nigeria
2.From the manner you spell words,you are the 'kid'(baby goat) here
3.How could masturbation make a young man take off his clothes and begin having sex with a goat in broad daylight?Between my story and yours which do you think is more plausible?Your wishy-washy version may 'fly' with your fellow ignorant brethren but it'll get nowhere with a news junkie like me
4.My 'immoral' claims?Tell me o knowledgeable one...what is the meaning of 'morality' and 'immorality'?because I've still got no freaking clue
5.You partially agree with me humans aren't the only masturbators in the animal kingdom after claiming humans are the only masturbators in the animal kingdom in your first post?Then why make a claim you couldn't defend?You think we're all members of your that swallow each others' lies hook line and sinker abi?I dey shake my head
6.In humans,there is normal and excessive masturbation just like there is normal and excessive drinking.The question is,what can be considered 'normal', is viewed differently by every individual.Abi no be so?A person can masturbate once even twice or thrice everyday or once a week and won't encounter any physical consequences but when it becomes 12 times a day and blood starts coming out!!!Na me go com tell the person to take the wanking softly softly?
7.I repeat,masturbation is a normal human action.Aren't married people humans?Is it all married people that enjoy a vigorous sex life?Quit living in 'lala land' abeg
8.Sorry,I don't believe in the myth 'jesus'
9.You really don't want to read my views about inc.est
10.Quit using that term 'addiction'.Masturbation is pleasurable isn't it?As long as those masturbating aren't doing it 30-40 times a day I see no problem with it.I say let them 'self-service on'
11.By the way,unlike the other 'athiests' on this forum,I haven't got the patient,time and energy to argue back and forth with you
I'm outta here
lol,kid baby goat?

WELL,u wouldnt say that to my face if we are to see one on one.

but i will respond,there is no secrets about masturbation, the act itself is mostly as a result of lack of sexual intercourse, most male adult dont masturbate when they have regular sex, my points is from saying its normal for males, nope. SEX is what nature condition ur genitals for, thats why i said it builds up sexual urge, a young man withno access to sex will really go on masturbating streak leading to physchological breakdown, my husband has councell many and many of this young adults, now imagine a guy starts masturbating at 16 nd dint have the opportunty to have sex till 28-30. the problem it cause is burning sexual urge masturbation cant give him, so it leads to many thigns.tht said

now what happen most is along a masturbating counts, a young teen then had sex there is every good point he stops or reduces his masturbating streaks for the real thign, so i said having sexual urge control is the best, because most addict dont enjoy ther marriges , they still find themselves masturbating, from questioneirs, they wanna stop but cant. .........thats my line of arguement, when it becomes addiction and its not just gonner go away,so self control is the best.

Lastly, u seems to think only males masturbate? its unisex, i wish a lady was on this forum, while a man gets easy war out, a girl can bcome a prisoner to her urge which naturally buids from what she has train her brain to do.

when it becomes a serious addiction what is the solution? none, so self control is the BEST. not easy but best

thats where i said JESUS taught that, but i dont remember here telling anybody to accept him? that u beleive him or not dosnt matter, thats what JESUS TAUGHT, do u beleive Gandhi? mostly no, but he too has a message, when someone said gandhi said, he dosnt mean telling u to beleive gandhi, its just what he taught.my point.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 2:52am On May 15, 2015
frank317:
Fire coming out of ones mouth? Is he a mutant?

Chris angel is an illusionist... He is neither a demon or a spiritual being. Or do u think he is an angel? Chris has perfected in his act, all he are explainable. There are so many illusionist out there trying to out do the other, trust me, they will keep getting better. Its their livelihood.

That's why I face mine. Doctors are getting better at surgery. Even changing a man to a woman

Engineers and scientists are coming up with more complex ideas

Illusionists are doing theirs

Even pastors are getting better at their game.

But we lazy Nigerians will pray pray pray and pray, waiting for miracle. Yet we are the ones who patronize those who have perfected their act. We use the best cars, but the most expensive private jets, travel abroad for treatment, use the best cell phones.

How long will you wait for magic? How long will u pray?

And the killer question... Since you believe in magic... What has this belief done for you. I can answer. It made u delusioned and allowed cognitive dissonance to set in.

Besides if you so much belief in miracle why are u a nurse? Is it not a waste of emotional energy when you do absolutely nothing with this belief? Can't you also perfect in the magic you belief and make a living out of it like chris angel and tb Joshua?

But the best advice is... Leave all these distractions and strive to be the best nurse in your environment.
commom i know what an illusionist is...................................chris aint one, i have my cousins go o his street shows, he picks 1 voluteer from people and cut u into two, in the nooon, normal day, no light tricks nothing.u just write as if their are kids on social medias.................

thats more than illusion, illusion is just an act, like a show for audience, its called MAGIC.most magicians are illusionist.

NOW I CAN ACCEPT if u dont put ur faith i the myth called GOD, BUT dont tell me chris was able to do that by figuring it out,haba.

am from an idol worshipping clan, my granddad use to do lotta weird stuffs then, u dont mean our ancestors are illusionist, i know the more u avoid this secrets the more better some people feel they will be, but i tell u its just oblivioness of a subject, the subject is still real.


now science, has been documented and has been testing its standard even before JESUS WAS BORN, mann has made documentd discoveries and many hypothesis and theorem from AD100, ARE STILL BEEN PUT TO TEST and general agreement, am a scientist and i know what am talking about, BUT DO U SEE ANY DOCUMENTATIONS O MAGICIANS? DO U SEE THEM TELLING U THEIR SECRETS, am not talking of the illusionist with the light tricks etc, am talking of true magicians, prof pela cuts his wife into pieces with shred at one of his shows , i repeat no light tricks, chris would cut a lady into two and her seprated upper limb will be moving and crowling, that is not science, thats way above science, no blood, no anatomical evidencies of amputated parts. I KNOW SCIENCE AND THAT AINT SCIENCE..............THATS PURE MAGIC.

U can blv whatever u believe, but historically check our fathers, people like pa Adesanya that assasins got to his car and riddle numerous bullet into his body, none penetrated,why do u think our police run away, lol. except u mean nigeria robbers are illusionist, at least we knew how anenih was killed, someone who couldnt be shot and u come here and tell me its illusion.abegi

Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 6:18pm On May 14, 2015
frank317:
hmm.. ok, i dont plan to compete with my wife for my kids attention, i will be there for them as a father and play my role the best way i can. The attachment a child has with the mother is biological (natural), while that of the father is psychological. for the father, their no physical attachment like being in the belly for nine months or sucking the breast for year, he just connects with his kids psychologically. Now tell me, which one is hard to establish... every parents presence plays a different role in the later life of the child. relationship with dad helps with the psych of the child (self esteem, intelligence, need to belong, rulling their world), while that of the mum is more of fulfilling physical needs, like being successful and having good relationship with people (cant go into details). So mum and dad should compliment each other to bring a balance in the life of the child. talk to any smart lady... she will tell u her dad is her role model.

now on demons and miracle... its quite laughable. well you can tell me your experience but i have not seen any. TB Joshua heals this and that, sees this and that, but his backyard collapsed and he didnt see it to warn people before hand so as to avoid casualties. why cant he see where boko haram is or chibok girl?... i mean, these are the kind of thing that should shake me, not one's person's personal experience that i cant confirm. My mum went to TB Joshua and was not healed. not saying that prayers cant heal... but if i talk deep psychology, i really can explain all that scientifically so dont even go there. do you know why i have never fallen sick since 2007? not miracle, i applied some psychological rules in my life. Now some pastors are able to enrich their flocks this rule (unknowingly) and then they call good health a miracle, but it is really explainable.

did you watch last world cup where someone predicted the pattern on how the goal will be scored, he got the time, down to the second, the person and the amount of goal, i bet if he was in Nigeria he would be making money from ya all gullible people by now. the question is why didnt the whites call is a miracle? they know it can be explained. honestly that's how i live my life, i believe every mysterious thing can be explained and it has been working for me. trust me... i remember a lady friend who had a mental problem, she was taken to different prayer houses until i recommended her to a psychologist... she got perfectly well after two week. this happened in Zaria and the psychologist was doing her masters in ABU, (she was running a masters program in a medical field related to psychology). Now should i call that a miracle?

if there is miracle, why cant i see one? why wasnt my mum healed after all the prayers? why cant i experience one. why have i been able to explain every seeming miracle that i have been given the opportunity to investigate? miracle indeed. pls dont allow urself to be deceived.
lol, i wonder if ur pschological tecnics is a latest reseeach u conducted, is not proven.................................................hypothesis.



am a NURSE, anytime i get to work , am faced with peoples pain,peoples fear, tears , angusih, i realy have seen shits, i have seen people with live near death scenerioes, i have seen alot that cant be written here bro,i have seen immortals, nature showed me little of its secret, we are not alone here bro, i cant prove that to u but its a fact. how do u expalin a man with fire coming from their mouth,how do we explain people who cant be shot or cut with a knife,its complicated than u assume, i have gone deep to find this ftins and my experience is my teacher, though unfortunatly i can prove that to you. last week chris Angel cut a lady into two withy a knife and her back live in the street of new york, u think thats pschology ko?

u might sit their and boost on ur methods which as far as am concern is unproven, do u know isaac newton was an atheist, but before he died he bacame a theist, have seen many great generals of this earthly profesions bow to an upper power...........................

but am certain ur method can never heal leg ulcers or cancer, i hope u should see what i see everyday, then u can prove ur point to real ssubjects of test.............................................i can accept ur beleive that u ment all u said but putting oneself into oblivion of reality dont make the mata go away, only people who are connected to som realms can bend natures law, fact.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 2:53pm On May 14, 2015
frank317:
apology accepted, i am also sorry for her for being delusioned and waiting for a loving God to heal her and give her longer life, the fact is that what will be will be.

on demons... i never said i know they exist. hmmm, are u even reading my post? well you are a christians and i know christians are very fond of seeing what does not exist. i write one thing and u interpreted another, no wonder the bible has so many interpretations.

i DON'T know if demons exist, i am thirty years and above and i have never ever seen demons or spirits and miracle. yet i have seen many people who claim they have seen demons and miracle and i put some of them to test, guess what, all my test samples failed. ask them critical questions you see wishful thinking at play. but then what is the benefit of believing in the existence of demons, spirits and Gods? Can this knowledge make me superhuman? No. Will i continue to struggle to make a living like the average human even after i believe? well, a lot of people around me believe in a lot of things and their life is as normal, filled with good and bad moments like mine. Christians are the worst, spend half of their lives worshiping a nonexistent God and believing in miracles, demons and spirits, yet they are just like every other person. All they have is mouth to claim they are special, but we all know talk is cheap. I have never seen one special christian, they go through pain, tears, sickness, brokeness, happiness, health, joy, just like any other person... what then is the point of believing and wasting time.

but i have seen men who work hard with intelligence, and the result is there.

On training my kids... Madam, I studied psychology, and did some interesting courses on child psychology... go to my profile and read my story "LOST KEY" its in literature section... you can learn a thing or two there. Religion has got absolutely nothing to do with training a child. From studies, i know the father's role in child upbringing. And i dont believe it is solely the responsibility of the mother to train the child. I will never be missing in my children's life, the only thing that can make miss in the life of my kids is death. money cannot and will never seperate me from my kids. I have counseled families and kids, if i fail as a father, i should be flogged. pls stop reading the bible and read researched that have been done on child upbringing and u will be amazed at what u will discover.

it is only a foolish or ignorant father that will leave the training of his kids to his wife. I will even be in my children's life more than their mother. i can give u lectures on the role of the effect each parents presence does in the life of kids if you wish to know.
lovely statement comimng from u in regards to Training kids, i must commend that, just like my Dad too , i beleive there are men who undersand psychology naturally b4 been taught , but no matter how a man tries , it will always be a compliment to mums effort.........................u cant compete with ur wife in training kids for the kids would learn alot from their mum naturally b4 u................................


now, Frank.......to be sincere, are u serious about the miracles not been real or u assume not to blv?

i was a theist till i was 14, i went to church with my family but i realy long for the proof of what i was taught, i realy dint beleive but ofcousrse i dont share such with people, i just watch them do their thign, my first prov is the big bang theory, yes the world came to bein by that and everythn became well arranged. but this in itself takes extreme faith to blv ,

my SECOND problem of fact started in ilorin, i do lodged at a hotel peak hotel thn, on this day i was boreed and there is a crusade going so like i do most time i go there to try feel wht this people felt,i never was convinced...............but what caught my attention was a cripple been healed, this same cripple use to come to hotel gate to beg for money, so i knew well, now i realy can explain that , cos from anatomical knowldge, his legs were so tiny that they normally cant carry his body mass due to unuse,well it got me thinking , this MOG definatly are operating from divine way byond human realm.

i went to my cousins place and i saw tb joshua healing leg ulcers and cancer, hiv too[though i doont blv the hiv for only documents suggests that]was cured, i saw the before and after of the healings and i was amazed, as a nurse we run shifts but if there is anytn we dont like doing is dressing ulcers and cancer patients, its hectic and here i see someone healing ulcers, so it arouse a suspicion in me, there is this diabetic patient with a severe leg ulcers always crying in the ward, i told her about scoan and what i saw on tv and advice her to go.....................to cut it short she came back healed, the full healing took 3weeks for the wonds to dry, its the joyous moment for me cause when she came back she gave lot of patient hope.

my mum eventuall had stroke and i decide in 2009 to take her to scoan for she has pass the plateau stage, she wasnt chosen for healing but wiseman daniel came there and talk to me and i get scared, here is a man revealing my deep secrets and even things to come, my mum wasnt chosen but this GOT me thinking deeply, so i sat down and analze, in my under grad days in lautech, i do see masquerade floating in the air , sitting in air and disappering and apperaring, this guys arre connected to somethn beyond my science or reasons , so i sat down and told GOD , i wanted to blv but i need prove beyond religion or men, that was my prayer and he answered.

there are miracles bro, and they are real. infact i come to understand holy spirit mission is to find those of us that dosnt beleive to the fountain of Gods estate, thats y instead of condemning people i always blv that a omni GOD can do that{notice i havent preach blv in jesus,nope, wht i preach is GOD DEY LIKE SERIOUSLY,WE CAN CHOOSE TO IGNORE HIM BUT HE IS REAL] AND SAVE PEOPLE HE LOVE.


SHALOM
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 1:02pm On May 14, 2015
frank317:
apology accepted, i am also sorry for her for being delusioned and waiting for a loving God to heal her and give her longer life, the fact is that what will be will be.

on demons... i never said i know they exist. hmmm, are u even reading my post? well you are a christians and i know christians are very fond of seeing what does not exist. i write one thing and u interpreted another, no wonder the bible has so many interpretations.

i DON'T know if demons exist, i am thirty years and above and i have never ever seen demons or spirits and miracle. yet i have seen many people who claim they have seen demons and miracle and i put some of them to test, guess what, all my test samples failed. ask them critical questions you see wishful thinking at play. but then what is the benefit of believing in the existence of demons, spirits and Gods? Can this knowledge make me superhuman? No. Will i continue to struggle to make a living like the average human even after i believe? well, a lot of people around me believe in a lot of things and their life is as normal, filled with good and bad moments like mine. Christians are the worst, spend half of their lives worshiping a nonexistent God and believing in miracles, demons and spirits, yet they are just like every other person. All they have is mouth to claim they are special, but we all know talk is cheap. I have never seen one special christian, they go through pain, tears, sickness, brokeness, happiness, health, joy, just like any other person... what then is the point of believing and wasting time.

but i have seen men who work hard with intelligence, and the result is there.

On training my kids... Madam, I studied psychology, and did some interesting courses on child psychology... go to my profile and read my story "LOST KEY" its in literature section... you can learn a thing or two there. Religion has got absolutely nothing to do with training a child. From studies, i know the father's role in child upbringing. And i dont believe it is solely the responsibility of the mother to train the child. I will never be missing in my children's life, the only thing that can make miss in the life of my kids is death. money cannot and will never seperate me from my kids. I have counseled families and kids, if i fail as a father, i should be flogged. pls stop reading the bible and read researched that have been done on child upbringing and u will be amazed at what u will discover.

it is only a foolish or ignorant father that will leave the training of his kids to his wife. I will even be in my children's life more than their mother. i can give u lectures on the role of the effect each parents presence does in the life of kids if you wish to know.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 12:28pm On May 14, 2015
GooseBaba:
I do...! I never sold it to the dead in the name of christ. I'm in charge of my soul.

Now, how much did you sell yours for? I know it was cheap.. Because you are here been an errand boy trying to recruit innocent souls for demonic worship of a 2000 yrs old corpse. Thunder fire you and that demon that has your soul..
Hmmmmmmmmm, maybe I err in assuming u are an Atheist. Google OBE and Astral projections before u say u are sure what happen to Ur soul, I can bet u tht u knew urself that much yet u r a complex being. Now that U said u are no Atheist I have no problems with u.

I just observe u AR hurting.......... Take life sofely oooooo
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 9:45am On May 14, 2015
nutarious:
ha! Never will i insult ur mum oooooooooooooooo, i apologise if thats what it looks like..........................am realy sorrry sir........thats not my intent ooooo

my intent is to throw the arquement to u that ur mum like my mum or most africa mums are theist...................i repeat i must apologise if it seems like i insulted her for that will also mean i insult motherhood which nature besture on me to defend, i rather not continue debating with u than feel like i make u assume i insult her.


on calling him bastard is realy harsh but a fact, he seems to think only he has ancestors, using them as an arquement for Atheism defend is funny for even in yoruba customs where they serve local deities, its beleive there is olodumare that created or heads all this gods, now even if he is from ss or southeast, its same, our ancestors knew well there is a a divine ruler of all and give credit to him, where they err is thinking for example if they serve one of theur local deities, then they serve the ruler indirectly, so Atheism is not known in afrcica untill the 19th century.he dosnt know his ancestors.



on demons, u know they exist but u doont care , well feigning oblivion about a subject dosnt make the issue go away...............................

anyway, everybody do have a right to whta they beleive, but though u are a man, a woman is solely responsible for trainingg kids..................................................if u were a lady i would have understood but u cant argue on training when nature make u a compliment for ur wife training ur kids, i insist, most Atheist rather marry a theist.............................its a fact.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 9:34am On May 14, 2015
frank317:
Sorry, it does not matter if I find an atheist girl or not, I never even told you I am searching for an atheist girl to marry. Like I said I will marry a girl who has the qualities of a woman I desire be it an atheist or theist. I will train my children according to my world view of what morality is and trust me the mother of my kid will definitely appreciate be her an atheist or theist. Luke I told you before a Christian girl was my best friend and lover, any girl I date can't help but love me.

On occults and demons, here is my take: I don't know if they exist and I don't care. I have never seen any before. Believing they exist is of no importance to me. I am more interested in what I can see. It is really of no importance to me.

Well to me the bible God is a poor example of morality. He drowned kids, can't forgive Adam and eve and endorsed murder, slavery and rape. With or without the Bible I can teach my kids good morality, I am perfectly sure of this.

Beside u are even in no position to talk of morality. I asked you of u are normal based on how ridiculous ur beliefs are and u quickly insulted my mum, and u just called someone who don't belief in Jews tales a bastard. I wonder what u teach ur kids. You claimed to be one with thieving theists in Nigeria and suicide bombers. All Nigerian presidents have been accused of once corruption cases or the other yet you claim that is the work of the holyspirit. This makes me wonder of u are normal once again. U endorse rich theists that have mess this country up... U really don't know what morality is. I should look around me and see the work of the holy spirit? All I see is an economy heading to doom. God to Sweden, an atheist country and compare it to ur theist fill Nigeria.

I have a friend who is a an atheist mother... Please this world is not just all about u and what u think. This lady singlehandedly made her marriage work and brought her theist church going huband to face his responsibility as a father and husband. There is clearly so much you don't know.
ha! Never will i insult ur mum oooooooooooooooo, i apologise if thats what it looks like..........................am realy sorrry sir........thats not my intent ooooo

my intent is to throw the arquement to u that ur mum like my mum or most africa mums are theist...................i repeat i must apologise if it seems like i insulted her for that will also mean i insult motherhood which nature besture on me to defend, i rather not continue debating with u than feel like i make u assume i insult her.



on demons, u know they exist but u doont care , well feigning oblivion about a subject dosnt make the issue go away...............................

anyway, everybody do have a right to whta they beleive, but though u are a man, a woman is solely responsible for trainingg kids..................................................if u were a lady i would have understood but u cant argue on training when nature make u a compliment for ur wife training ur kids, i insist, most Atheist rather marry a theist.............................its a fact.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 9:21am On May 14, 2015
GooseBaba:
You are the daughter of a 20kobo who.re...!!! You dummy. Can you read at all you miserable cvnt.. Deistic perspective is what..!? Where else do you think i get other teachings from if not the gods that they worshiped. And the traditions they lived by, like honour the legacy of your lineage. Read and comprehend fool...!!

Meanwhile, Where are your ancestors, you foul mouth wench.. In hell because they did not worship your jealous god? Where are the names of your ancestors in the bible. You diseased animal..!!
sorry sir if i sound harsh, but indeed its eighter u dont know what u are saying oooooooo or u just type for arguement sake .............................................................u are no Atheist.


since u said ur ancestors taught u about gods, it aint mata if u dont beleive in the creators of gods, u are no Atheist sire, its the peculiar stuff common to people who call themself atheist,ATheist dont beleive in god or GOD.

ALL u need do is stop hurting urself, serving immortals who are creations is realy absurd, why not serve the manufactureer of immortals(gods) for when u die u become immortal{god] so whats the point serving them now, i think a logical man will rather serve GOD thans gods , in fact all dictionaries give distinction btw the two, see u wannna be an atheist, u will have a blank beleive........................u musent blv in anythn supernatural.

be free like a bird, i repeat not beleiving in God itself is another form of faith thats not worth it...............................its just like a faith in bigbang theory of eveolution, every myth demands faith, where u choose to have faith is what matas, i think to me after my experiences in life i will be grateful for where i put my faith for a woman without faith in God is already lost in virtues. so before u type ..................................................................weigh what u type,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 1:52am On May 14, 2015
GooseBaba:
My parents, grand parents, great grandparents, great great grandparents, great great great grandparents, great great great great grandparents X infinity....

Do you have ancestors...? Are they in the bible..?
ur ancestors are theist, for they beleive in gods. u must be a bastard lol, eighter u serve the creator or u serve creation u cant excape sire.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 10:47pm On May 13, 2015
frank317:
Lol... The richest people in Nigeria a thieves. Money launders, fast pastors and Bible believing politicians. Clearly the holy spirit is teaching Nigerians how to steal... Not wonder our theist filled country is in a mess. Clearly u guys have no shame. Look around you... Is what u see the work of the holy spirit? Corruption, robbery and kidnapping. Terrorism and ethnic segregation... Well done holy spirit.

Seriously u are now claiming all God believing people to be in ur fold. Pls remember to invite bokoharalm to ur bed. U guys are just shameless.

I will like to marry an nice lady... Atheist, theist I don't care. My late fiancé was a Christian and we were best friends. Sorry to burst ur bubble.

I know what morality is and clearly ur Bible God is a poor example. My children are in safe hands.
Lol, amazing, u won't find a lady atheist in Nigeria easily, that I found out sooner, so u can marry a theist and she will teach ur children this unreal God? Lol, the other time u said u don't care if their are occult or witches, u were evasive. The point is if they exist and u know then u ain't no atheist but some bitter guy.

Am a mother and I repeat teaching a child morals without God is not possible, that's y I said its easy to be a an Atheist male than female, I know what am saying. Those who call themselves atheist marry theist and that's a fact. Baba Soyinka is the most popular atheist in Nigeria but u will be surprised he married a theist and all his children bears a Christian name in yoruba,

So I concluded it's easy to be an atheist male than a female that's y u guys could come here and write whatever, if a man can't trust another man, then can trust God, that's a big issue.

Most Nigerian who claim atheism ain't atheist, they are just wanna be. Fact, experience will teach u the earth has a manufacturer.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 9:39pm On May 13, 2015
frank317:
If it is the work of the holy spirit to convince man that God is real, why are people dying in thousand as unbelievers? Clearly this your holyspirit does not know his job
Really, speak for urself bro, for atheist in Nigeria are not upto 1% of the nation,

U speak about money on ur table, lol. The richest dudes in Nigeria here are theist. The Holy Spirit has done a lot, check ur neighborhood, u might not be saved but others are yet he is striving to save u too, so I repeat speak for urself.
Currently there is no president in the whole world that's an atheist, u must understand atheism is common among a few of people of a nation. And it usually results from beef with God, I believe God can defend himself. If u don't believe there are billions that believe........... It won't change anytn.

I wanted to ask u a question personally before I get really emotional,

This will be my last contribution, will u like to marry an atheist? And will u teach ur children there is no God.

As a lady, I realize that it's easy to be an atheist as a man than a lady, Motherhood itself is sacred that's y kids are connected to their mother for life, but who do a lady connect to, If u teach ur children there is no God, don't blame them if u can't train them to be morally upright for its easy for a camel to pass thru a needle than for u to teach kids moral without God.
I sign out, like I said u must avoid hurting urself by what u believe.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 3:34pm On May 13, 2015
GooseBaba:
Stop lying to yourself... You had to speak to a wall before an almighty god could give you peace.. What did he tell you was the reason he made you go through your anger towards him..? and also, now that you have found god/peace is it what people do with their genitals that concerns you and your god abi..

And why you are at it could you explain the difference between an atheist and a devoted atheist..
well a fact still is if one concludes not to beleive in GOD its ones right, its not binding on anybody to persuade annother, i was worse, infact i started researching GOD. I NEVER BELEIVE, but life itself will bend one at a time and u must respond, when u need that divine power, nobody will tell u to beleive. in christinty, accepting JESUS IS NO WORK OF A MAN......but only holy spirt. so there is no point trying to convince another, check my post on this thread, i never wrote, accept jesus. i wont go there, but i beleive when life bends us we indeed must respond by going to the manufacturer.


americans are the one of the most civilsd nation,yet i see them in their tons patronising nigerian men of GOD, EVERYBODY DO V problms they dont wana share with another man,christinty offers us the opportunity to a father son relationship with GOD.......................there u tell him ur pain and no man, and he alone have seen do thigns for free.

lastly, y would i wana lie? its not like am praching to anybpody. its ur decisions to make not mine, i made my choices, everybody has their rigt to make theirs.


shalom
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 1:12pm On May 13, 2015
frank317:
Yes they are all deluded... Every person who puts so much hope in something invisible that have never helped mankind is deluded.

My mum died three years ago, she was on her sick bed praying for an invisible God to heal her. No one helped her. She wasted her precious energy praying for someone invisible... That's delusion.
we share alot in similarity, sorry for been emotional with You bro, but u are hurting urself first by been angry he dint Answer, i was in ur shoes for long, my mum had stroke and she was paaralysed and cant speak again, b4 then i was a devoted atheist.........................in my anguish i kept on insulting GOD, as i type i felt what u felt then cos what i discovered is that losing ones dad is not as emotionally as losing ones mum,they are the centre of all families...........................................so its normal to feel pain.........................

A just God wont ever use ur words against u i beleive, even why we feel the way u are tlking to God is insultive he[God] wont feel same way cos he can see u grieve..........................thats y he is dift..................................but frank, i swear the more u go against him the more u punish urself cos he wont respond nor will he punish u like this small gods, but u end up hurting urself cos u wont be free, u will deny it but psychologically u will be putting urself in a state of hurt,

now, pls be free,there are always answerr for everytn, that we dont know why some things happen never should mean we should assume they aint real.

my own was spiritual problems, i was going thru spiritual problems, that it became physical, so i had proves their immortal beings (gods) but i realy set my mind to beleive God dosnt exist but this is not atheism for i hv proofs from experiencxe their are gods and this dosnt make me an atheist but sometn else.

one day that,i decided to face the wall and talk to him [GOD] , I SAID if u are real prove to me beyond church and evangelism beyond man teachings and he did, i had peace later and became a servant to hope and faith, in this u find freedom.

while it is normal to feel pain, its normal too to find peace within, been free is important.face the wall and tell him i dont beleive u but prove urself to me, if this come from ur lips u will see the effects, note u need not beleive.

in the name of the Father, son and holy spirt. lord delayed prayer weakens faith, pls lord grant peace to all who are in pain of this earthly journey, give them inner peace and replensh everytn they lost.
GOD BLESS U SIRE.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 11:33am On May 13, 2015
frank317:
So much emotion for something that does not exist. If only you can fight for Nigeria like this, we would have been a better country.

I am not mocking any authority, stop talking like a deluded person. Are you the authority? Why not let the so called authority speak for himself. Are u his mouth piece?
Can't you for once reason? You exhume so much emotion just because I make mockery of something in ur head u have never seen before? Are u even normal?
u ask me if am normal lol,i beleive ur parents werent Atheists, it must also mean they are abnormal and deluded, ur mum especialy must be deluded.......................if she is THEIST............COUPLED WITH the abnormalties u have in mind about theistism.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 11:29am On May 13, 2015
frank317:
So much emotion for something that does not exist. If only you can fight for Nigeria like this, we would have been a better country.

I am not mocking any authority, stop talking like a deluded person. Are you the authority? Why not let the so called authority speak for himself. Are u his mouth piece?
Can't you for once reason? You exhume so much emotion just because I make mockery of something in ur head u have never seen before? Are u even normal?
can i ask u a question=do u beleive in occult,witches , demons etc...................................by beleive, i mean do u think they exist or not?


i need ur answer first?
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 10:31am On May 13, 2015
traware:
This is one of my major grouses with theists especially the Nigerian ones.You guys like lying a lot!!!Make your point and leave.Don't come here and post lies and believe everyone here are just as foolish as you are.That young man in the photo was forced to penetrate that goat by theists I presume(You see why many call you guys 'Abrahamic perverts'?) because he tried to steal it and what is this trash you claimed about only humans masturbating?Other primates including gorillas,chimpanzees and bonobos also masturbate so shut it.By the way,evolutionarily,human male masturbation serves the purpose of getting rid of 'old' sperm when a man hasn't had sex for a while.So, that makes it a very normal human behaviour
sorry i saw this late, this happen in nigeria southwst, its on most blogs then and its not a fiction.

you must be foolish to think he stole that goat and he was forced to sleep with it, just shows u are a kid.

he was caught pants down having canal knowlegde with the goat, u just wrote fictionally to support ur immoral claims................


on animals masturbating, their are though few proves they might but generally animals dont, dont u have dogs and pets, there ton of evidences its rare but i wont say its imposible.

The questions are still potent, would u still wanna start masturbating when u are 50, this question has nothing to do with religion, its just common sence. it could only mean youths masturbates more than real adults and this could be atributed to less sexual experience and satisfaction, so when a normal teen starts having adequate sex its sensible that masturbation reduces,

but when masturbation becomes an adiction then the problem starts that even in marriage, people find themselves masturbating,at this stage its now a psychological sickenss tht medcine cant cure , religion comes to mind here,

now Jesu knew this will happen and thsts y he teaches self control. someone say u cant control it?thats a lie?a big one?do u look at ur mums figure or shapes?what of ur sisters or ur kids...........................its called self control.

Medically they say its not good, yet when u become an addict , medically there is no solution. So medcine cant be trusted here for 80% of WANKERS WILL GT ADDDICTED. At this stage, self control solutions is needed. infact search all thru google, the only solution for wanking is self control.
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 10:14am On May 13, 2015
frank317:
Well, I think since Jeses never had an errecction in his whole life... He is/was not capable of any knowledge of sexual attraction and so should be in no position to tell normal people not to look at women.
agreed you are an Atheist,but is this the reason u make this statement......................................Do u think before u wrote those words.can u say same thing to ur Father? not to talk of a God head..................................................? Atheism aint mean one should be stupid, i was once an atheist but it dosnt folow comon sence tp attack diety. i guess u are a kid, can u insults gods like that, we have sango in west heere,idiogwu in east or gods like ahmadioha, try and insult them if u want to prove there is no God. so u mean u dont beleive in witches and occult........................................................ask ur paarent they must be well learned than u................


atheism must mean a belive in no God or gods, try gods first, maybe when u get wounded u will realise u dont just write poooo about autorities

Even when u dont know u dont assume what u dont know dont exist....................................u find answers, stop mocking Authorities
Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 11:04am On May 11, 2015
U think this guy started in a day? Nope, it built up and he dosnt have an answer to it. So in reality it makes him inferior.

Such is Masturbation, medicine don't have answer for it if u got addicted then how do u liberate urself. Self control.


Shalom

Christianity EtcRe: Self-service, Selfless-service And Nigerian Christian Morality. by nutarious(f): 9:56am On May 11, 2015
Well, have read from page to page all comments and xtian seems to blame atheist for what they believe but either we all like it or not we were once atheist before we became theist.


I was once an atheist, and I defend my believe am not surprised by what they are saying but am a curious person and I want to match reason, logic and fact to mean a determinant for a topic.


K, so masturbation..........................lets deal with it with fact and logic before we bring in morality. First why would you not wanna masturbate when u are 70-80. If u are 80 would u still wanna masturbate, some1 will say at, 70 ur libido reduces yes, but it's still there, so would u wana masturbate at 70. It's just like saying hahahahaha Hemp is good mehn, would u wanna smoke in front of ur grand children. Answering this with logic is capital No. U can see this is not religion, but logic. Now what's the difference BTW now and full adulthood, logic is that what u find amusing now will eventually become less amusing or become extinct.

K, another logical angle is, looking at a car is entirely dift from looking at a Girl, while its prove that u can look at a car and want it it's not entirely true for everybody, many people eighter for they have their own car or that it's not something within their budget wouldn't even want it for they are logical they can't get it, the difference is, when u look at a woman, u first see a human but if u further look then u start seeing the features that made the woman, now psychologically u are going to get some activity in ur brain sensitive to what u viewing then imagination follows. This can never be compared to a car where all u think is I want the car that's all, but in looking at a woman and her features u set activity rolling in ur cerebral. Someone said this is normal, but most crime that has to do with sex itself dosnt start that day, the activity u set to become imaginations will build up and u have to have an answer to it for in u ur anatomical being has been griped by what u sence and that had build up.


Another logic, if u leave the scene of the car then u will surely forget the car or might not lay much emphasis on it, but after imaginations of a lady features u are in trouble of a continuous probe by ur members.


Another logic and the one that is contender is addiction, u easily get addicted to masturbation. Just do it once and u will know it can't be stop easily, it will get to a time it affects ones mentalty.

Another logic is, since masturbation is inferior to see u must have to think in an inferior way to masturbation, first u must think of a subject or porn or lady to help u start it, this from logic is against the intent of the purpose ur organ is created for. Makes u inferior and has been the all round quilt associated problem for guys thereby causing inferiority complex.

Lastly from evolution and science, this practice is found strictly in humans and not other primates shows its an abuse of nature.



My point are, logically it's not something u wanna be proud of irrespective of you been a theist or atheist.

How do we solve it, medically, there has never been any clinical nor well research way to stop it other than religion. So when u say Medically it's good and it says don't become an addict. Which literally means no solutions if u can't control it. 90%cant. So how does the psychological effects gets solved. Medicine has no answer other than religion.

Jesus knew u won't escape this so don't even try rather u can learn self control, u could see a girl and not see her feature cos u have given urself self control. So for anybody going thru this hear me, the grace of God is greater than ur sin, so when u find urself hook try and get closer to him for Apostles Paul call it the law of flesh. Don't allow anybody condemn u, work self control out gradually and I pray God's radiant love help u do out.

Shalom
Christianity EtcRe: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by nutarious(f): 3:07pm On May 03, 2015
bingbagbo:
Luke 18:11

The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector.

1 Corinthians 10:12

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall
common Man,you are nothing more than an hypocrite........................................jesse

1john 2-21-24 posted should have made u see reasons , yet u continue to debate when u see scriptural refrences starring at you, are you debating to win or learn?

even the JW CANT DENY SUCH SHARP SCRIPTURES,YET U KEEP ON DECEIVING YOURSELF.

be free like a bird and question your beleives..........................................
Christianity EtcRe: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by nutarious(f): 12:48pm On May 01, 2015
bingbagbo:
grin grin grin

my soul is not a person, my flesh is not a person.......i am a person
Lol, a mystery u keep denying.......... Solomon had a conversation with God in the spirit for he was sleeping......... ABRAHAM SAME. Peter also had a heated arquement with God yet it was a trance, now though same Peter, but u won't compare Peter in the spirit form to Peter in the physical form. What happen in ur dreams, ur spirit time travels and it's real same u, my point is u are 3 Chambers yet same you. The body can't do the work of the soul nor can the soul do the work of the spirit......... There is real Chambers yet same you. Understand this and u will get what we are saying. John and I have posted lots of scriptures to tell u same God =word, father and spirit. Notice word became Jesus, he was the word and after his saving assignment goes back to been the word. Many people dint get this and always say stuffs they don't know.
Christianity EtcRe: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by nutarious(f): 11:08pm On Apr 30, 2015
bingbagbo:
DEUTERONOMY 6:4......GOD IS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!
you are 3 persons same you!

spirit+soul+body = you


i think this should answer you.
Christianity EtcRe: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by nutarious(f): 11:36pm On Apr 29, 2015
Tushkid74:
Nutarious / johnw74 do u guys have a problem with JW?

Sorry to say,some of ur posts are just...

Inbtw, Jesus was nailed/hanged to a tree/stake nt a cross
yes i have a problem with JW, the founders were once christians,read kjv and beleive in the gospels but later have their own revelatiosn which cant be superior than the earlier churches, now going against what you were taught and starting a movement thats diminishes christ is to me ANTI-CHRIST. THE MISSION IS TO REDUCE JESUS TO A MERE IMMORTAL, this realy will affect the standards of ataining what Adam lost, for Jesus never came to bring Religion and christianity itself is not a religion but a fellowship. now the fellowship is render useless if one beleives jesus was a mere immortal....................it makes it hard for the soul to accept holy spirit like it happen on the day of pentecostal.


i have check this religion and found it not spiritual but a movement based on a some men who never sacrificed anythn to expand the ministry of Gods kingdom but just a movement to prove the early church wrong and bring its own very ideas.........................................this ideas will forever need to be defended just like all other religion.........i really do beleive the spirit of antichrist is at work here and thats why i beleieve JW IS A SHAM....................................................THATS WHY THEY DO THEIR THINGS IN ISOLATION. A RELIGION OF CONFUSIONISTS.
Christianity EtcRe: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by nutarious(f):
[quote]author=RikoduoSennin post=33249314]

To you, God is a mystery.

To me, My God is not a mystery, I know him and he knows me.

John 17:3 Knowledge of the only true God means Everlasting, No knowledge means no everlasting life.[quote\]grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

lol, You know God................................................................i can see the proof from you, indeed you know him.

1= JW practise cant make anyone under such beleive have holy spirit,i wonder how you know God..........................the bible is meant for edification...........................God sought a relationship with him.........................and its clear you will never get to GOD without JESUS which means you never has the holy spirirt.

2= except u mean the scripturs i quoted were written by me, Jesus confirms of the mystery of the kingdom of God and promise us the mysteries and u just beleive u knew God by typing or saying it.thats complete delusion.


3= david knew GOD, ABRAHAM,JACOB...........................................who taught them? nobody, they began a fellowship that bloom into more understanding thats above whats been practise under religion at their own time.......................................you here, knew God from a controversial beleive in Jw and not ur own personal experience with him......another delusion.

4=let he who thinks he stood be careful lest he falls, you dont strike me like someone who knew...........................you have seen so many striaght and deep scripture yet in ur mind u have created a brick wall towards the words of God but decide to chooose those that suits you.yet u say u know him........................................am sorry for saying this but really the truth is you dont know him.........................................you only knew what Jw SAID ABOUT HIM............SO NEVER SAY YOU KNOW HIM.




what u reeally do know and might know unless u decide to be objective is what JW says God his....................................To you, he is what you are told he was..........

its a MAN'S WORD AND VISION AGAINST THOSE THAT BLED AND ARE STILL BLEEDING TO SPREAD THE SWEETNESS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.....................................................................U my brother dont know God.
PoliticsRe: Abacha Offers Oladipo Diya Handkerchief To Wipe Rivers Of Tears by nutarious(f): 4:35pm On Apr 28, 2015
I think what diya did is embarrassing but what he did was heroic, there were over 30 soldiers live at stake had he not come up with such prank, another angle to this is that Diya never knew he was been filmed, he couldn't v cried if he was aware. In general his action looks embarrassing but a good tactics to survival. In fact he insist then that he dint plan anything that he was been setup. He just had to play loyalty to Abacha who is bent on killing him, thank God Babangida came to rescue. In reality, he saved his own life and all other soldiers who normally will be executed.









On Ojukwu, am igbo by paternity but Yoruba by maternity. I think Ojukwu betrayed us, my reasons are, our people invested much in that war while the leader dint invest at all. All his children were flied out and none of his family got hit by the rogues of war. It Got to a time our people started eating dead corpse of fellow IGBOs to survive. All we need then to win the war was food stock, when food issues got involved many people started dieing in masses, soldiers felt weak. Instead of finding solutions he Ojukwu Abandoned his people to the enemy. Now the main point is, if the enemy forces were to come and kill everybody or do a massive wipe out, will Ojukwu still Come back to contest.


A standard law military, u can't backout. U r court martled, like the current soldiers awaiting death for fleeing bokoharam. I do think Ojukwu is a coward, I saw do think Diya too is a coward. But their cowardice consequences are dift, Ojukwu cos over 3million igbo death, diya saved his own people. I really don't think Ojukwu deserve any respect.



It's time our igbo people stop seeing him as a leader, he never really did anytn for us. He brought death and looting all in the hope of taking over nigerdelta oil. That's greed. We need season leaders, leaders that are not selfish

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