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Maximus69:Wow! So you don't like to be called a Robot? Am not interested in you, I responded to barrister, you don't seem to me like somebody that's interested in truth, so I will continue to see you as a Robot. Definitely, you dont know me. I will allow you to stick with your opinion, once a Robot always a Robot. @all JW brethren, solve this mystery for me. Mr A married Mrs B and Father child C Using Mr A as a subject, Mr A have a soul, a body and a spirit Which part of Mr A Father's Child C A) Mr A' s Spirit B) Mr A' s Soul C) Mr A' s Body If you are sincere, then Pls help me answer that Question. Incase I didn't come online for days, My Answer would be Mr A, father a child both in A, B, C. So Mr A can't actually be divided and said like this, Oh, Mr A' s Spirit is the only part of Mr A that father child C, thereby leaving Mr A soul and body. Same way you can't seprate God, the beauty of Trinity is God is one. Lastly the JW changed Hebrew 1 vs 8,but forgot to change the Lordship of Jesus in Hebrew 1 vs 10. According to JW, Jehovah is God and created Jesus, but this Jehovah is also calling His creation his Lord? Your own scripture is inconsistent with what you are taught, how can Jesus that u said is like Michael a creation be called Lord by Jehovah. Haba! Also can somebody explain among you guys how come David knew this Lord, your interpretation change the scripture here too but its too clear that David worship a deity that he knows experiencially. Some of you know the Truth but won't still accept. If a Man fathers a child and you can prove it that it's a part of the man that fathers the child and not the whole man, then we can start from there. As for you, you know yourself. Its time you go back beyond the social media platform and check your own scripts. Funny, all Muslim carry a Bible same goes for all JW, they carry other interpretation and then use it against unsuspecting Christians while their ideology is in their own interpretation. Lol
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@Barrister07 I notice in Analysis, the same contents must be used as a basis for different group analysing. Shadeyinka has been using other Bible interpretations and maybe if we used your own interpretation which is the only different one among others there, then we could strike a balance to this Arquement about the Holy Spirit. My question from the NWT translations is to ask you @barrister who is The Father of Jesus.? Who is the Father of Jesus? Your interpretation didn't change that, it said the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. Follow logic, follow rhema, follow layman's reading. That's what it said. Then When Jesus said in that Act you quoted that he mentioned the Father and Angels and did not mention the Holy Spirit. Read your NWT translation again and tell me who fathered Jesus? I will wait for your Honest review of the Scripture according to Jehovah Witness interpretation. But try and check some of this scriptures from your interpretations. Let's first get who the Father that Jesus Always talk about first. Review it well and tell me what you got from your own interpretation Shalom
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Maximus69:Fruit Befitting the Holy Spirit Faith that's just two century old to Faith established by Christ and Apostles two millennium. |
Maximus69:See Shadeyinka giving you both logic and scriptural answers only for you and your brothers to say there He can't answer or dosnt have an answer . And like always, you avoided the Logic he is showing you which would have made Jehovah according to your own Bible same as Jesus. But as usual, your mind has been programmed. Lol, Robot. Shadeyinka, God bless you sir for dishing out the Truth. But like scriptures says, letter killeth. This guy's knew what you are saying is with strong value and Truth. But like have been saying about Robots, A Robot is wired in some pattern and won't accept any other. But hopely, when this guy's encounter the Spirit of Truth, then this long Deception will cease. My Husband did some Grt research work in Robotics in those days, I learnt alot about programming as he used to tell me in layman language. I can't but agree that Am seeing the practicals here. Cloned Homo Sapiens.......... Sigmund Feud says it all, its all about the mind. The spiritual fight is a fight of the mind, no wonder Satan majored on the mind. Brother Shadeyinka, you can't win these guys. I think you have tried enough. Just pray for them and leave them. Shalom |
Janosky:Robot |
Maximus69:Good, at least you agreed you are a Robot. Don't worry about the scripture quoting its part about your cloning, we are used to it. So Robot, this Organisation that cloned you is not even upto 300 years Old. Its just like Muhammad telling us about Jesus after 600years later. @least on the last day, you have no excuse with all the brothers trying their best to Help you. Don't worry quoting me, I don't respond to Robot. |
Maximus69:Robot! Cloned by an Organisation |
Janosky: Janosky:Robot quoting scripts that suits him/her. Once a Robot always a Robot. Is This also applicable to your Robotic Organisation? Acts 13:1-2 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. By their Fruit we shall no them. Romans 8:14, 16-17 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. The Devil is the master Programmer, he did a good Job with you guys. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Once a Robot, always a Robot. |
Have followed this conversations from page 1 to page 38 and have carefully observed the Two defendants here. Jw vs Free Worshippers It's amazing that non Jehovah Witness was able to produce a scripture to say specifically that The Group was endorsed by the Scripture. Over 16 questions on the Defendant JW to produce a scripture backing the Towers as the Group Jehovah wants every man to join. Non was answered, just the Normal Boring Jabs. Anyway, I made a good study view of the Jehovah Witness Group and realise this is exactly a Psychological Cloning in maximum pattern and this is exactly robotic. Same line, same thought no personal study, no personal opinion etc I celebrate everybody that stood to defend their faith against this guy's because you guys did an amazing work. How do you arque and win a Robot? A Robot is a coded machine............ Same is Jehovah Witness. Spiritual are hard to discern and if it's the logos that will form the major arquement then I don't see anybody winning a robot. Once a Robot, always a Robot. Robots are hypocrites, since the coding is limited, it has to do anything to defend the coding. A God of Heaven can only be served by a Group and aside that group God can't be truly worshiped. Really? Wow! Now as Non Robot I think we should continue to show them the truth and see if one of the codings might be doubted leading to personal investigations. Apostle Paul was like that robot till the day he had that encounter, 3and half years did it take him to digest Truth. Lastly, the Only Way to know Truth is true the Spirit of Truth, any other way is shambles and mistakes and ego discerning. John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. But the Robot here defending Jehovah Witness says the Spirit of Truth here is their Tower, hmmmmmm �. I pray for you that God will open your eyes and ears in Jesus Name, amen. Isaiah 43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. |
Maximus69:The Knowledge of God is Eternal Life, John 17 vs 3 said so. How come some group gather and seems to know God more than you while you can equally find God for yourself. It's the Beauty of the Kingdom The Disciples came to report to Jesus of some set of Beleivers that did not stay under Jesus but still uses the name of Jesus. He said to them, Leave them. They are part of us. The Watch Tower is standing to dictate the Knowledge of God which is suppose to be a personal thing for everybody, thereby breeding Robots. Paul was not part of the 12 and yet received more depth beacause John 17 vs 3 was a reality. Clowning Believers Spiritually is a Great Sin. A ministry devoid of the Resurrection power of Jesus and pretending on Doctrinal base. Seek Jesus yourself and verify every content of edification till you are sure you are on the right path. |
Shadeyinka, I really appreciate God for people like you sir. God Bless you, been following your commentaries on nairaland and I realised you are anointed to do this. Love you and keep defending and enlightening the world. Shalom |
shadeyinka:Muhammad! In the Bible. Hahaha The Holy Spirit taught me something of recent. SATAN is not the most powerful of eternal beings. Death is also an Eternal beating etc but Lucifer is well respected for his Lies. He is an Atorney that was anointed before his fall. Deception is the Most powerful weapon he uses. Only Few can Survive it. If Angels of his peer group can be deceived, Humans are too small not to be deceived. Jesus is a Liar from the beginning. I appreciate Jesus for showing me Light and will forever love him for that. Unfortunately, common sence is not common |
shadeyinka:Have Never Thought deeply of this your question until I saw it here. Really, No Muslim can answer it. The Quran couldn't, so none of them will be able to answer it. |
Empiree:Shalom |
Empiree:Let's prove the core message of this Two Religion philosophy. You a Muslim go to a church and throw a stone in the middle of the congregation and see what they will do to you. Compare it with A Christian doing same to a congregation of Muslim in fellowship. The Spirit of the Faith will be revealed. How do you follow someone who said he dosnt know exactly if its Heaven or Hell he is going. Muhammad wrote this himself. So who is Confused here? Jesus has been a blessing to the world, even Ghandi of Indian is a better leader than Muhammad. How a last prophet will be so incomparable to the previous is a question that's a sane mind should question. You must be the real confused person. You need Jesus. |
The Problem here is Common sense to question events since Faith will be Built on it. Muhammad saw Gabriel and received from him. The Quran recommended that if for clarity all muslim should go back to the Bible. Unfortunately, the same Muslim Sheiks have rejected the Bible saying it was compromised since its message and the one brought by Muhammad Contradict each other. But beyond arqueing, all proper should study the revelation of Gabriel to Daniel. Have not heard of any Muslim scholars reject The Book of Daniel. Study the revelation of Daniel with his encounter with Gabriel and check with Muhammad then you will see there is a mix up somewhere. The problem Christians had with Muslim is that though Muslim believe in the word of Allah, there is no witness. Witness is important if not deceptions is inevitable, a Almighty God will know that, Muhammad said he dosnt know where he is going (hell or heaven). Even he is uncertain. So how can we believe everything he said he got. No witness. Now the question OP asked if not answers by Quran then it's not enough to say It wasn't Jesus that died on the Cross when there is dated historical and Known fact that Jesus died. Accepting a Faith in Africa is a problem. Our parents force their Faith on Us. Either Christian or Muslim it's time we ask question and be sure of our Faith and not just be Convinced just because its a way of life we grew up with. But personally am convinced, a last Prophet who God will use should have better character, assignment and moral responsibility than Jesus. Muhammad beyond the faith of respecting him can never be compared to Jesus based on leadership, morals and character. A waring Prophet after Jesus should definitely be a Negative to the Last Prophet. One was willing to die and raise disciples that did the same, the other was involved in War and blood was shed. I wonder on what ground the two faith Can stand. Do when a later faith tried to make statements to outdo the former we should question it and we have. No Answer, other than insult and arrogance. |
Mostly, Everybody would want to fight for their Faith. But, seriously, when your Faith can't be Verified by Witnesses then we can conclude on the Truthfulness of such faith. The Question is really hard to answer for any Muslim, either answers will produce a problem that will affect Allah's Stand. I think instead of long debate here, muslim guys here should take a deep study more. This is the major script that tries to nolify the Christian Faith and his source and statement is no proof enough. Lastly, Muslim are taught of the genuity of the Quran, it's repeatedly said several that you almost believe it. Over 6 Arabic language, different quotes, some even missing, no original manuscript. While it's easy to attack the Bible, the major problem I saw in the Quran has no remedy. The write up is not intelligent, no order of arrangements, no direct witness according to history. Lastly, if God waited 600 years to correct a mistake what kind of God is that, now you bring an Arab to solve a Jewish problem. How can you talk about Jesus when you have already read the books of scripture available to you and In making your suppose correction you added no meaningful Insight order than statement low in value to the Script you call fake. How can an Allah make such mistakes that can easily be questioned as regard to a Conon. One book has to be lieing and the other telling the truth. If somebody from my tribe and clan brings a fact about my lineage, it's easy to listen and arque than someone totally from my clan. How can Muhammad a non Jew correct an history he met and be correct, and the only witness is God. I think this are logical questions to answer. |
As a Muslim one should be truthful to ask how Muhammad, gave a truth to a tribe after 600 years and that's the best factual statement and it dosnt have any commentaries before him to back him up or History. This is what the OP is challenging, is like a Ghanaian telling the story of OBA OF Benin. Not everybody is interested in the Faith, but definitely everybody wants to know the Truth. Was Muhammad the Founder of Islam Faith, Yes, that's a Truth even though am not interested in serving Muhammad god, is Jesus the Author and finisher of Christian faith, Yes. We are talking of Truth that's Verifiable. If you can't defend a Truth. Just keep mute. |
Empiree:Your Vexation didn't actually communicated anything meaningful. You must be conscious of the thousands of intelligent persons reading through. The Question the Op was asking is if you actually trust the genuity of your Book then everything must be explained when it tries to give a Stand point to other people's faith. Your book came 600years plus after Jesus's death and should actually have better statements than the one it tried to change. The Question OP is asking if not answered makes your book another book of Faith but not necessarily of Truth. For Truth is Verifiable. That you strongly Beleive in your book dosnt make it a Truthful book, there other religion with their sacred books. If your Faith Claims to carry truth, then it should be verified. |
This Explains many things about the Prophet |
What a Thread! Thanks @ Salvation101 and Everybody that took the option of Peace. We might not agree with each other based on scriptures, the Scholarly scripts were written by Men and its evident Men will always question Scriptures and have their interpreted understanding. Either way, God is God and thats constant. I followed all through, amazing way to make peace. One love to everybody. Words are powerful,I hail all JW members , Pentecostals, etc, this thread is a beauty on its own. Love you all..... Thanks for teaching Peace at Last despite differences. |
Actually, Salvation101, I dont expect you to go down that line, if it were real life, you could have be consistent with the Stalking Complain. But online stalking ain't mean anything to me because your identity is secure. I get it now, JW is a group or Organisation with a Believe System and Mind Set, this would mean they are different from other believers, its eye opening to be on this thread. In a Pentecostal setting, if you wish you could change church from one denomination to another still be able to practise your Faith, if Denomination A is not aligning with what you believe or you saw error you could look for a proper One by switching. You could also be in two different churches like myself or might not even join one and still be Close to your God. But, for the First time am opportune to see what JW as an Organisation is, Salvation101 spoke comparatively, Analysing Scripture for Scripture and we are all getting well before other members of the Group or Organization started Attacking her, it was slow and steady and it was continuous. Gradually the whole good start went into Mud and later many Member were coming out to play the Victim card. I waited and waited wishing someone will clear my doubt, Nobody did. No member scolded the other member for insult. I notice that Kola started the Dirty Talk, after the insults have already been introduced, then Kola started that talk that got Salvation101 to where she is, I Still Waited, Nobody, I mean Nobody scolded him, for me that's important. Very important. I concluded that this your Faith or Believe System is about Winning especially Scripturally. This Faith is not based on been a better person, something normal Education in Schools can teach. It's about a Group and how they must Uphold the Norms, its embarrassing that this is not really based on God nor Righteousness but based on a School of Thought and how well they were discipled to defend their stand. I won't use this against Other JW that I meet outside, I will hope again that they clear this doubt of mine, I hope they can. But as for most of you following earlier till Now I Say Shame on You especially if there are Females among you, your Faith is unbelievably hypocritical. Nothing to gain from the Thread absolutely Gabbage. Next time don't just do this, nairaland is read all over the Whole World and you come here to showcase the worst form of embarrassing character for People professing Faith, you are not different from Muslims. My dear Salvation101, I don't support you on the Vulgar words, that ain't you. You are better than that, you err in that part and I ask you, if you take your Birth and a mentally ill patient carry your Towels , will you run after him. Nope. We discussed this at Office with my Collegues who has joined me in Following this on my PC. I can say, Atheist are well behaved than Members of JW on this Forum. But I believe maybe this won't define JW, I will wait till I meet others to reach my conclusion. I hate Men who has no respect for Motherhood. |
It's an Embarrassing thing for an Adult to sit behind a device and post things not even expected from a Garage Patrol in Oshodi. Have seen many Debates and Arquement on Faith and Life generally, it musnt get to this level. I mean Heated Script Analysis beyond this here, but instead of some of you to defend your part and let Viewers make their choice, you are attacking on a medium like this, it shows and says more of the Mind of persons and @ such whatever group or Mindset they subscribe to has not reflected in their life not necessarily because such groups might not be teaching morality and ethics but because its denomination. An Abuse on Salvation101 especially about her Feminine person is absurd and from a weak mind. Why don't we allow our God to defend himself except he is Weak, if He were what all this Arquement is all about then he is responsible for bringing Unity and salvation and not necessarily our beliefs but on his Honour. There won't be a Winner here so please Lets stop the Abusive Attacks, it has render the thread unbefiting of Comparative Analysis. |
What Surprise me is how Salvation101 has match response for Responses. Am confident nobody will win and I was enjoying the Scholarly analysis of the Scripture and how everybody defends what they believe until some persons introduce Insults which she defended either way. Am not saying there is a Winner here, but have seen that Salvation101 has match scripts for scripts and oppose what she did not beleive. Sis, we need you in Politics and other aspect of Morality, you strike me like somehow so adamant to fault systems that are not working. To all JW here, I Love you guys, Most of you have done well to defend your Faith, sometimes it's difficult when that's seems to be under Attack. God bless you guys. Have learnt much from you guys and I would still follow..... The thread continually. Nobody will Win, but we should be able to reflect in our personal closet and see for real the Counter Accusation or the counter prove to our Stands. This is to both sides. Furthermore, there are many of Us that don't subscribe to denominational Church but to our Faith only, asking for peoples Church won't prove anything. Also @ Salvation101, do a JW Thread based on scriptural analysis not because somebody provokes you. And let JW do same based on Scriptural Analysis and not based on Winning. Love you guys much......... |
It's always Easy to defend Schoolarly Doctrine of a Religion, all you have to do is stick to your faith even when you see Questions beyond such. It's common in all Religion, but I think the one that want to seek the truth will have to take a different approach to first be the first critics of what he or she believes. Our Fathers kill Twins based on their Faith, they stood by it until big Questions were asked by The Missionaries. To defend our Faith, we need to first be the first critics of it, that's a Pointal in seeking the truth. The JW has a Bible interpreted by their Scholars and the Normal interprwtation like Kjv has major contradictions. It seems like nobody can Win debates on Schoolarly writings or on Scriptures that has been accepted over the years. But we must tell ourselvea the truth internally not because we wanna win but because the Truth is real and can lead us to depth in God. Lastly, we must get to a place where we get response from the God of this Scripture. He must be willing to defend his words. That's the proof we really require. The Lord of our belief must be able to respond back to us by sight or hearing or else we worship base on Logos alone. Am enjoying the Debate though, much love to everybody. |
Riofidelio:Hmmmm! |
Salvation101 and Hairyrapunzel, I give my Respect to you guys, Have had to follow the thread independently and page by page to, you have proven beyond doubt that the JW worship Schoolarly Doctrine than seeking for the Truth. Sometimes in Religion you have to ask Questions and question you Faith Adequately to be able to defend it. |
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codedflowz:. Thank you sir |
chaarly:.. As much as I got your diplomatic legacy as regards manner and approach, Jesus is our Father, must we sit down and allow his name be smug in mud just for sake of showing light. . Also, the Rights of Christians have already been altered by favoring a religion over another. If fold hands and keep calm long enough we will blame our self. Turkey was lost like this. Am challenging Seun Osewa to do the needful either he cancels Religion forum on his Forum or make everything equal. |
luminouz:. Please someone should answer Question NO 2 |



