Cryomancer:
A Nigerian used Honda vehicle should be attempted with DUE diligence in my opinion as most of them are badly abused. Kindly go for it if the owner can prove it's maintenance history along with the kind of oil being used and if anything atall has been changed (no matter how small) in the cause of using the vehicle. Most importantly, go with a certified mechanic that knows his onions.... I repeat, a mechanic that knows his job

I don't know the year and the reason for sale, but a good condition CRV doesn't come cheap.

The price is the least thing to worry about for now, make sure it's in a good condition first then price bargaining can come later.

My 2 cents

Thanks sir

Am new here


Please advice a sister , am about to buy an Honda crv 2005.

Should I proceed

I would like to buy this car too. Saw a fairly use for 1milloon


Please is the price justified

I grew up amidst friends that are JW, there is a way to actually live successfully with them, Ignore.


They will use Jesus to minister to you but won't pray with you, lol.

They will use your Bible to teach you and yet have their own Bible.

They will speak their code lines and behave peacefully until they enter your house and bring coded line that they don't even understand.


They have no personal relationship with Holy Spirit and yet wants to teach about God's kingdom.


They project information that's hasn't been verified by the Body and try to force it your throat.


Have not see any form of manifestations amidst them of Holy Spirit, it's impossible.


Lastly, how dare you seek the truth when you can be shunned from the organisation. Lol.


The fear of been shunned is the fear of God in the group. Same like Mormon and other close circuit coded human religion, its not hard to see that they can't influence the world for God.


So we have related with them to know its just absolutely waste of time interacting base on scriptures with them.


Robots will always be Robots.

Let's wait for the next Robot.


Lol

Janosky:

English is NOT my Father's language
You grab the point I'm passing to you, that's the major koko.
.
Mr LIENUS uses the MTN network (for a fee) to speak through the phone, Likewise God uses holy spirit to speak through people.

Romans 8:16,26 "spirit ITSELF" (KJV)
Mr LIENUS roger that

You guys have become comical Robot!


Lol.


Always twisting.

Coded
Robot!

Emusan:


But Jesus says "Whatever He(Holy Spirit) hears He will SPEAK"

And the scripture also recorded that "as they are Minister unto Him, the Holy Spirit Says separate me Barnabas and Paul..."

I know you can deny anything, is it not you who open your dirty mouth on this forum to shout Jesus of the Bible never says He is Alpha and Omega

The lying liar like your father the Devil.

With due respect Sir, stop wasting your time on these guys. They are not interested in any comprehensive debate not the truth.


How can you convince robot that the codeline is wrong.


They won't listen. They are well model to behave like robot.

MaxInDHouse:
The first time i saw her post calling people robots i laughed because if Jesus' teachings is anything to go by true believers must be robotic in lifestyle! John 5:19, 30, 8:28
So she's unknowingly antagonizing Jesus who laid down such teachings {Luke 9:62} she's in full support of Satan who stylishly insinuated that the first human couple were living a robotic life! Genesis 3:1-5

Which Jesus are you talking about, you mean Micheal who uses God's energy called Holy Spirit to do things.


Or Holy Spirit who you guys made deaf and dumb by claiming He is an object.



Robot!

DappaD:


I think I was around when this happened—concerning one Foly guy I guess??

Well, churchgoers from the onset don't have any godly standards they live by. All of them just want to answer “Christian” and deceive themselves about them being under the same “umbrella of Christ” despite conflicting doctrines and teachings so it's not any surprise when they make bizarre life choices. Proverbs 15:22

When Jehovah's Witnesses say we restrict marriage interests to only those in the faith(1Corinthians 7:39), they'll take offense and say “You can find love anywhere” but look how the husband now is molding her thinking. 1Corinthians 15:33

How do one actually interact with Robots. It's absurd to join issues with coded machine.


Wake up and see the beauty of God's Spirit in regenerated souls.


A regenerated soul don't even necessarily belong to a specific denominations. The beauty of non Robots is they hear their God because He lives in them and not in some tower.


I tell you, in your silent and quiet place when all is calm, the question "what if" should pop up, then your salvation would come.


Robot!

MaxInDHouse:
Her husband is an atheist and that's what he used to call her and all religionists!

I know of a couple on NL that the husband is an atheist but the wife is a Churchgoer claiming born again. It was when they were in need of financial support that they both came to beg NL followers for money that i realized the so called Churchgoer born again married a confirmed atheists!

You are entitled to your code line opinion, after all its not your line of thought. How can you successfully think for yourself when you are zyclic model of robot.


Its not today we have expose your owners as fake.


Robot!

MaxInDHouse:
Come on quote God's word to contradict what i'm saying nah!
I purposely say "Organization" perhaps you will find a quotation from Jesus where he will take anyone as his family apart from those having the same faith with him! Matthew 12:46-49
Mama what do you have to say about Jesus' disposition on the issue of FAMILY?

What's the point of quoting anything to a robot, except the coding from the Organisation.

I have followed over 15 pages of intelligent debate from freshboi and others, the two debaters even created rules to make the debate sensible.


What happened? Robotic twisting.

Is it not a waste of time interacting with a robot with only one source of coding.


Anyway, there is artifical intelligence introduce lately, maybe the She Watch Tower can allow this modifications in the robots, its becoming absurd maintaining a conversation with the robots, maybe a new hybrids will be perfect.


Hypocrites! �

MaxInDHouse:
She's one of those ladies whose libido controls them, so she's married to an atheist. Her incessant use of the word "ROBOT" came from her atheist husband. That's what her man often call all religionists but she's using it against JWs as if her husband don't use the same term for her and all her church people!

Master Jesus said we should be wise like serpent, he never said we should be serpent but just be wise, know all that can come from a serpent.


If anybody is reading this, such might think the robot knows what he saying, lol.

This is common with machines, when box to a corner, use cunn, but unfortunately you are a robot, your codings are man made, so how can you comprehend a daughter of Holy Spirit.

Its beyond your line....


Mr Robot, you said you would deny your own son if he leaves the prison?


But master Jesus told us of the prodigal son, the Fathers love won't allow the father to sit, He always stand at the gate waiting everyday for his beloved son.


But robotic she watch tower has taught you to deny your own son because he leaves the prison cell, amazing.


Like I always say, once a robot always a robot.


That line of coding is highly robotic.

MaxInDHouse:
What you don't know is a JW doesn't have any family outside the Organization!

Once anyone says goodbye to the Organization it's goodbye to all members globally, so emotions don't drive us, a real JW is ready to forgo anything anybody for the sake of the organization! Matthew 10:32-39, 12:46-49

It's only a child who remain in the Organization will be my child Ma!

I really understand you, I do, believe me, I do. From what you wrote up there I get the line of the coding, if your son were to leave the organisation you will deny him.


�

Highly intelligent robot. If its not in the coding then it's not important.


But someday is someday. Mark my word.


Robot!

Emusan:


The spirit of their father the Devil is really working in them.

What would have saved them is to say that "God uses the Holy Spirit (since it emanating from God Himself) to speak THROUGH people"

But since the scripture has it in many places where The Holy Spirit said to SPEAK BY HIMSELF, so their confusion begins and watchtower must be defended.

When watch tower was designing the coding machine, she never thought of the Holy Spirit, she removed alot but forgot this, now the birthed robots are having problem in line of duty.


Unfortunately, there will never be any answer for them. HOLY Spirit is a person.


Life of a robot! �

DappaD:


What is still baffling me is what's going on in the other thread. None of them can seem to come to a final conclusion about the identity of their supposed Holy Ghost which they claim is a person.

I recommend you chat up other robots on this case, you are disgracing the organisation.


Lol

freshboi88:


Acts 13:2. As they were publicly ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: 'Of all persons set Bar'na·bas and Saul apart for me for the work to which I have called them.'

So Paul spoke of himself in this verse. How did he say it?

Set Paul (himself) and Barnabas apart for me(himself again) for the work which (Paul) has commanded them to do?

But I wonder y he is calling his own name if he is making this statement?....can u tell this forum why?

This guy clearly needs medication

In Addition

Earlier u said God spoke through the Holy Spirit.
Now u said God spoke through Paul.

Or Jehovah spoke through the Holy Spirit then Holy Spirit now spoke through Paul.....

Whoa!!!!.....such a long process for an Almighty Jehovah don't u think

Laugh want to kill me here.


Like I said, when you bring any other topic, it's easy for them to twist like cord.


But not Holy Spirit, the coding was not done to respond to that.


Normally most machine will respond and accept the error notification.



The more they try to answer the Holy Spirit part the more error you get. Lol
Robotic!

DappaD:


Psalm 95:7-11 ASV reads:
“For he is our God, And we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To-day, oh that ye would hear his voice! Harden not your heart, as at Meribah, As in the day of Massah in the wilderness; When your fathers tempted me, Proved me, and saw my work. Forty years long was I grieved with that generation, And said, It is a people that do err in their heart, And they have not known my ways: Wherefore I sware in my wrath, That they should not enter into my rest”

Paul applied the same verse at Hebrews 3:7-11 to those who have been chosen to rule as kings in heaven. Hebrews 3:1, Revelation 5:10
Paul even gave authorship of Psalm 95 to David at Hebrews 4:7.
But look at what Paul said at Hebrews 3:7,
“Wherefore, even as the Holy Spirit saith, To-day if ye shall hear his voice,”
So who was actually speaking? Didn't those words originate from God? Wasn't it David who penned those words down because he was inspired/moved by holy spirit to do so? 2Samuel 23:2, 2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:21

Robotic answer, twisting like a snake.

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome into the discussion Ma, i remember you're the woman who married an atheist but trying to teach others how to practice Christianity!
I don't think there is any reason to argue blindly when the results are out.
If any of you know what the holy spirit is, just present any group of people where it's working so that everyone could see the WORKS of what you're saying! James 2:18-26
Do you still need a long story in teaching your child what a traffic warden does when the child could easily observe how the traffic warden perfectly controls thousands of commuters on a busy road?
Please try to apply the same logic and allow the audience to see how Mr holy spirit operates Ma!

Robot!

Myself and my husband are burning � for the Lord Jesus, the revelation my children have about Jesus is beyond your comprehension.

Like I said, a robot will always be a robot. For you guys it's about winning the Arquement, it's kit about the truth, it has never been about the truth.


Who does arqueing help, the guys that put up with you in debate do it for the sake of innocent minds so that you don't bring your robotic code into their mind.


Someday though, if you don't ask the question if?

Maybe your children will do the questioning and if truth be revealed what regret they would regret they learnt lies from you.

Once a robot always a robot.

Have followed the thread page by page, scriptural argument by scriptural argument.

When it comes to debating with Jehovah Witnesses, the whole debating will be changing like a twisted cord.


But as I have always noticed, when it comes to HOLY Spirit, this is beyond them.


If you want to expose the minds you are debating with if it's robotic, bring the Holy Spirit topic.


They have never had an answer.


But yet they try their best to respond. That's robotic, it's like a coded machine, meant to do it in a particular order, if you change the order or line of duty then the machine starts misbehaving.


Scripture warn us to guide our heart. Who would have believed a man can be made a robot?


But yes, doctrines, false believes etc makes Men become robots.


When freshboi started the Holy Spirit part I knew trouble would start for the thread.

What if?

Is a mysterious question that has brought change to this robotic tendencies.


Paul knew Holy Spirit
Peter knew him
John talked about him
James wrote about him
Master Jesus spoke about him

Infact, Paul ministry started because He was chosen to start by Holy Spirit.

The Acts 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, Separate now for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.


How come in a thin 100 years ago some folks start bringing new robotic stories.



My point, you don't have to always respond to questions you are not sure. Go and find out first and come back, it's a new year.

Let this robotic tendencies stop among Jehovah witness.

fortran12:


That is not the point . you said it was not Jesus speaking in John 3 and I have disproved your claim. So admit you were wrong.

He wont admit He is Wrong.

There is psychological disorder that Muhammad did not solve for most Muslims.

He said Jesus is a Prophet, He even taught them of the great wonders and the Purity of these Jesus.

He gave kudos to the Ministry of Jesus and told all Muslims to love him.

But then even though Muhammad saw the writtings of all scriptures that we have has canon now. They were already accepted as the Bible as of the time Muhammad was Born.

So Muhammad started a big problem that has not been solved.

He said for further reference to learn more, a Muslim should go study the Torah. Problem number 1, the Torah doesn't support any of his claim and no correspondence ref his ministry. So you see most Muslim carry a Bible, they have read it upside down but the Bible as we have it have no message that aggres with Muhammad revelations. This is confusion number 1

Confusion number 2.
If Zaad writes the Quran and all Muslims believe the Quran is okay putting their faith in Zaad, how does it not become a problem if you say the Disciples of Jesus did not write correct.

Is this not confusion, so Zaad is more perfect to write or collate a document than the Disciples of Jesus. This confusion number 2

Confusion number 3
Muhammad said Jesus was helped by Allah and Allah deceived Jesus mother and Disciples and others so that they didn't know it was Jesus that died on the Cross ➕. Really?

You mean the only evidence to this assertion was Brought by Angel � latifa or Gabriel. Allah lied to the people, this has bothered many Muslims. How do you explain that the Disciples of Jesus died the same way Jesus Died believing in what he taught them and also claiming In their experience that he appeared after Jesus died.

This confusion 3 is even worse. So if Allah lied and carried Jesus away, where is Jesus now. With Allah. Lol.

This is confusion 3.

Confusion 4.

The Jews is one of the few Tribes that have kept record of their origins and ancestors. Infact the books of Chronicles and Kings are prehistoric books of how they kept their traditions and leaders and the act of their leaders act. No other Tribe in the world has successfully done this.

Now Muhammad came after 500years that Jesus has come and safe the world and start correcting the Jews first about their own History. Second, He now also corrects Christians about their own History.

Its just like an Hausa man telling us the History of let's say Attah of Igala or Ooni of Ife or Alaafi OYO.

And the only evidence is an hairy angel � coming with a revelation.

So is so pathetic. Its takes foolishness to believe his messages. In this faith, called Islam, you can't ask questions. The Yoruba people called it Imo to le. This knowledge is hard because it dosnt conform to logic, principles and facts.

This is a terrible confusion


I will stop at 5

Confusion 5

The Man Muhammad told his followers he dosnt know where he is going when he was about to die. That if God likes he puts him in hell and if he finds favour he makes heaven.

What? Really?

Even Moses told the Jews things to come, He said God will send another prophet like Him that will do what he couldn't do. And all Jews knew they made Heaven. The Disciples of Jesus encounter Elijah and Moses meeting Jesus. Is this not amazing, Jesus taught of Abrahams Bosom, means Father Abraham is in Gods bosom.

See a latest so called prophet saying He is not exclusively sure of where he find himself. As a follower it takes foolishness to follow such a Man. So if Muhammad is not sure, what is the Hope for the common Muslims.

This is a serious confusion.




Why are we speaking about all this Confusion?

Because you can't read Bible with all this confusion and learn anything.

So am not surprised with what he has been saying.

Its easy for an Atheist to get what is written tha. A Muslim, why!

A muslim had a mind already packed with a hard and unproven belief, so how can such get what the Bible is saying. He will be looking for something that is similar and won't find and the confusion continues.

Confusionist

We have reached a point here where the reasonable Muslims here on this platform won't say such words again "Quran was perfectly Preserved"

Thanks For learning, Hope you bring other topics that need Enlightenment.

I speak for all Muslim ladies who won't know the Truth except from their Husbands. So yee Husband don't teach illusions again.

advocatejare:
By agreeing with the rumour that he had illicit sexual intercourse with Madgalene then you have agreed that your Quran is a book of lies because your Quran told you that Jesus was a pure and holy man because he was given a pure spirit, same wasnt said about Muhammad


وَلَقَدْ ءَاتَيْنَا مُوسَى الْكِتٰبَ وَقَفَّيْنَا مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦ بِالرُّسُلِ  ۖ وَءَاتَيْنَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ الْبَيِّنٰتِ وَأَيَّدْنٰهُ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ  ۗ أَفَكُلَّمَا جَآءَكُمْ رَسُولٌۢ بِمَا لَا تَهْوٰىٓ أَنْفُسُكُمُ اسْتَكْبَرْتُمْ فَفَرِيقًا كَذَّبْتُمْ وَفَرِيقًا تَقْتُلُونَ
"And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 87)




So either you or your Quran or both of you are liars. On the other hand, the so called prophet of Allah couldn't be saved by Allah, he died shamefully on top of a woman, a filthy form of death for a so called prophet of God. You Muslims always wish you die while praying but even your prophet died while having sex, he killed himself because he couldn't control his libido even when he was sick and was having pains on how his aorta was getting torn.

You said I twisted the Hadith of how Muhammad died on top of Aisha,

Quote out the untwisted Hadith of Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7 Book 62 Hadith 144 for you let's see who is lying.

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This is painful for normal peace loving and Believing Muslims on this platform. But truth is truth.

I repeat lies believed to be truth and factual is just fully illusion based.

How do you compare Jesus with Muhammad, the only way you can compare them is actually lieing to yourself. The lies told when you were growing up, now that you are an adult can't you discern characters.

If Jesus who came more than 400 years before Muhammad was born could be so perfect to avoid sex and be serious with his Vision I wonder why the latest prophet shouldnt do better?

Illusion is illusion, either way you see it.


Me am just here to stop any Muslim telling us teh Quran is perfect. Kai! Stop that thing!

aadoiza:

We know dodos like you. Anything beyond the capacity of your tiny brain is an illusion.

Your vaginally delivered god will be crying for you now. Pathetic!

Don't be angry sir, we are debating intellectually. I don't do insult, Jesus my Lord won't insult or be violent against anyone.

Now, just look at what you type, so what's your own logical explanations, nothing other than that my Brain can't comprehend.

So help me to comprehend this dilemma.

I insist the Quran was imperfectly written, your scholars agreed I wonder if you don't follow religious debates.

Non of you will make any fallacy or illusion statement and go away with it.

So before you accept your imam teaching you got to answer questions first.

Takara:


You didn’t bust anything, there is only one Qur’an, I challenge you to show us any other version of the Qur’an

As if, if he showed you it will affect anything.. You guys should just know the time of empirical analysis is here.

Enough of those imam said or malam said, you will put your faith in Zaid to have written perfectly, Zaid must be another prophet lol.

The Quran was not perfectly written Q. E. D

abbasajao:
Why is it that is Christians that always dominate comments in any Islamic post? Even as they have to swear before they can comment?

Because, your hypocrisy has risen high and need to be answered. On Christian platform, Muslims comment well and attack their faith without any Oath, if you guys don't have anything to protect, why the Oath.

So we swore the Oath to defend common sence and silence lies and assumptions that hold sway before but now obsolete.

Abdulsalaam9:
One of the definition of Qur'an is that Qur'an can be defined as the inimitable miraculous works of Allah revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) through Angel Jibriil revealed in Arabic Language transmitted by a large number of companions who can not unanimously agrees on a lie and of which its recitation served as an act of (Ibadah) worship.

Alhamdulillah I'm a Muslim, and I pray to remain in this religion till my last day on earth and I pray to Allah that on the day of resurrection, I should be raised as a Muslim/Mu'min Amin Thumma Aameen

Well, you have absolute right to what you want to believe and nobody is even preaching to you to change your faith.

But you see, when your faith lies and seems to tell you to accept it that way and you accept, don't bring such to public domain.

Muhammad your mentor was not sure if he will make hell it heaven as was written by Zaid, so you too wouldn't be sure where your god will take you to.

But on public domain, stop coming to spew trash, there enlightened mind that investigates and do deep study nowadays and your words must be accurate to present anything.

Bokoharam believe something too, so believing something is not the problem.

The problem is, all form of Religion must be tested, discern and checked with open mind, with aim of digestion. And once its not proven enough, its not acceptable.

In short, The Quran was not perfect and is imperfect and will remain not perfectly recorded.

We are not even debating the single source of how he got the source, we are saying the recording was never perfect.

Snowale:
Baseless points, he called others to assist him in composing the Qur'an. He just wouldn't write it all by himself even if he could. It is also said that there were writing forms, so they just compare with what they've writing. And the most important God Almighty, the creator of all mankind Guides them. That's is enough. Meanwhile, there are millions of hafeez around the world, that can write the whole Qur'an.

The Point you bring God inside this, you said most importantly God guides them.

Amazing

Since God won't defend himself on this platform, your argument is baseless. It's just a wish and belief which is your right.

But don't tell us it's logical. They help him compose what, the Quran.

Remember this is not your local worship centre where you can spin anything unchallenged.

The Quran was not complete, impossible. Based on facts, not possible.

So see statements that needs your mind update

1. The Quran was perfect

2. Quran has no Versions

3. Islam a religion of peace

4. Muhammad is the most perfect Prophet

5. Muhammad is a Saint

6. Quran dosnt make mistake

I will add others

Takara:
The Qur'an is well preserved from the time of its revelation. Evidence? There are no Versions of the Qur'an unlike the bible which has so many conflicting versions. E.g The Douay Version of the bible used by Catholics has 73 books, while protestant bibles have 66 books,!
,You have King James Version, The Revised Standard Version which revised the kings james version , The Jehovah Wittness have their own different version etc

In those days, this statement by your imam and clerics do fly unchallenged.

Nowadays we are so enlightened and ready to even study the Quran to get where the sources of lies is coming from.

Your Evidence is what? No version of the Quran?

Are you kidding, lol.

Stop quoting your Malams.

We are not even talking versions yet, we are saying the writing of the Quran is not complete as many was lost.

Somebody was still talking of quoting Quran copy.

If anybody claims to quote Quran, while he recite we could be checking and following to test his ability. So how was the first writer tested, what copy of empirical factual standard was used to agree he recorded or wrote exactly the same thing Muhammad said.

You are still not getting me, Muhammed said the Quran to them orally, only Muhammed would have verified what he said but the Quran was not done or finished during his life time.

There is no standard to compare to tell us he wrote a perfect Quran.

All you just brag of is what your imams tell you. Search for your scholars and the debates on this Topic, non of them agreed the Quran was complete.

Like I said, you can make a statement and believe what you said, absolutely your rights to believe, but under world standards, if your facts are not provable, it's as baseless as anything.

Illusion

Now for people that have quoted me, saying the Quran was memmorized by people 100%.

All you could recommend is Google which I will accept is your personal opinion.


But that's not my arquement.

This single man didn't have a single copy like the suppose Muslims who already had a copy.


Get me well, there was no copy, the memmorized Quran was oral, it was Muhammad that got the verbal Quran and Communicated the words orally to the Congregation over a period of years and as such the ones memmorizing the verbal words didn't write it down

Infact what we heard from proper research is that different students of Muhammad memmorzed different verses of the oral Quran they heard from Muhammad which was lost in the war.

You must be a superb and 100% efficient to store a story fro 20years without forgetting.

But that was not even the case here, this Man calls other remaining students like himself to get the remnants with them and also source from the ones written on bones and caves to get this current one you call Quran

So is not same as memmorizing this one already composed

Virtually, since he called others to get Information from them and also get from caves, then there is absolute proof he didn't retain all in his brain as you would have want us to believe in his super human abilities.

See like I said, lies can be believed to the point of thinking or accepting its true.

Just illusion

There is a way you tell yourself lies and want to believe the lies, at such point the lies looks like truth.

But when it's tested in open experiments, such lies won't or can't hold.

Muslims believe Quran is perfect, yet it was Compiled by a Man, can you believe that, that the Human brain is capable of retaining such verse?

Yet, Muslim choose to believe much of this unproven tendencies.

If you agree He was good in Memmorizing, why did he also gather from old writen ones around.

Also, robots have not been produced to 100% efficiency, not to talk of Man.

So we all should just believe a Man was perfect enough to write and we believe this man was absolutely correct.

When Religion is beyond facts and truths it has become illusion.

I recommend you dont post such things again. Your other Muslim. Brethren won't be happy

Nobody can talk much of God among creation other than God Himself.

All Men are Rebellious, as much as Adam is, Rebellion is a seed sold to Abraham.

Rebellion has to do with self control, self aggravation, pride etc.

Now tracing the Deity of Jesus will be hard without John the Beloved revelation.

Because Men are Rebellious its easy to never believe God can come in Flesh. Even Thomas doubted despite everything he Heard until he saw.

So either way you want to believe, Rebellion lives in us all.

But John wanted to trace the Deity of the Man Jesus to Origin. He told us His name was not Jesus from Origin but The Word.

The Word was never a Son from beginning and if we dwell on that then you wouldn't disrespect The Word and utter all form of ridiculous statements.

John said the Word became and that's why problems started for JW.

Lets go back to the Deity of the Word and give me a Scripture that makes the Word inferior? None, but immediately The word carried Flesh, inferiority started which is understandable base on his assignment.


There is an Office of the Christ, the Christ is an office that must be occupy by anyone who can open the Scroll.

Such one will rule the whole creation and even that which was existing in God.

The Word, transformed to Jesus a Flesh Man became he won solve the riddle and became the Christ.

Note especially in Ephesians 1 vs 10


Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:


If its really knowledge, why would God allow a lesser creation to Administer Authority over even the reality in God as the last part of 1 vs 10 said, "even in Him" ref to God.

The Trinity is a hard nut to crack for small mind like those on this platform. Why? They are sourcing information from letters and comparing letter for letter, that's foolishly.

The letter killleth.

solite3:
Trinity is not God occupying three different offices rather God existing in three distinct consciousness.
Personalities does not mean offices but consciousness.
That is the meaning of plurality of persons.
In Genesis God said let us make man in our image, he wasnt speaking to offices but rather one person of the trinity speaking to the other persons of the trinity.

Hello dhear, Dealing with Jehovah Witness all over the years have made me realise they are not interested in discussing but winning theological point.

Am only trying to use logic for those that's interested in learning.

Now trying to understand that what you call office is unique to Trinitarian, The Offices has three consciousness of persons heading it.

John arqueing says 3 bear witness and yet are one in their consciousness. But since its a JW thread, i need no go further.