This is a non issue really but as usual the ignorants are picking money over information...
Money is very important in today's world but it is still no where near as valuable as knowledge.. knowledge is everything.. To have knowledge is to have awareness and awareness is power..power is freedom and freedom is what we all seek..

Now you don't even get money without knowledge ..money does not exist without the information and knowledge to manifest it..
The illusion is that money rules the world but the truth is that it is knowledge that rules this world and the universe...

buzugee: says the man who said a third of the angels in heaven were kicked down to earth because they rebelled against God . you are a joke. you should be a comedian

ok I showed you the verses earlier and you did not understand so since you seem to have your own explanations to the bible kindly explain what you think these verses..
mean..
Here go.. Revelation 12:3-9
3 An d there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon [/b]stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.....
.......

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 [b]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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Like I said earlier in my posts angels, spirits or whatever you want to call them are lights beings/stars...this is what the bible says about stars in Revelation 1:20 "The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Jesus also said in the bible that he saw Satan fall Like lightening from heaven ..Luke 10:18..

Ok this is my conclusion Satan is also referred to as a dragon in the bible...So, if the Dragon, (Satan - Rev.12:9), drew "one-third of God's angels" along with him in his rebellion (Rev.12:4)... stars represent angels, according to the Bible (Rev.1:20) what is so hard for you to understand..

If you can't discern these elementary simple stuff then you have ways to go I have already told you that ...This is my last statement on this topic on this thread...

ijawkid: @nya....so christ is angel micheal ba

and he has been d angel micheal all d while that was always sent by Yahweh to rescue d isrealites....ba


Ur 1 diff catholic who believes Jesus is actually angel micheal,,,...many of them refute it...why??

Because they say Jesus can never and is not an angel because he is almighty God he doesn't have a beginning......
Meanwhile we all know that all angels were created..

Now we are talking about Jesus before he came to earth and after ascension...

And with d title Jesus has as a morning (star) meaning he is an angel if I'm not mistaking but chief of Yahwehs angels,how does that make him d Yahweh?


Remember I'm an anti-trinity guy...

And situations like this is what makes me so damn sure that Jesus is not d same as his Father(Yahweh)...

Angels are always sent by a higher authority...
And here is Jesus in his post-human life still being sent by his Father to do not his own will bt he's Fathers will.....

If Jesus is arch angel micheal then Jesus isn't equal with his Father

Ok I'm going to answer you but I'm going to make a thread about it..

buzugee: notice how everything i have said is backed by scriptures but you have not quoted one single scripture but are coming from your own opinion ? listen to what the lord says about people like you

ISAIAH 8 VS 20[b] if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them[/b] ( BRUH THERE IS NO LIGHT IN YOU. YOU ARE IN DARKNESS )

1 THESSALONIANS 5 VS 21 But prove all things (BRUH, YOU HAVE PROVED NOTHING. ALL YOU HAVE SPEWED IS FROM YOUR HEAD )

2 PETER 1 VS 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. ( ALL YOU HAVE PROVIDED ALL DAY IS YOUR OWN PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS. NOTHING OFF THE LORDS WORD. YOU COMING UP WITH ANGELS FIGHTING AGAINST GOD IN HEAVEN AND BEEN CAST TO EARTH BECAUSE OF THAT, AND ALL THIS CRAZY MUMBO JUMBO CRAP ABOUT ANGELS WITH FREEWILL AND SHYTTT. NONE OF THIS STUFF IS IN THE SCRIPTURES. YOU ARE A DELUDED BRAINWASHED MAN AND YOU NEED HELP. LIKE SCRIPTURE SAYS, PROVE ALL THINGS, THE SCRIPTURE IS OFF NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION AND IF YOU AINT COMING OUT OF THE BIBLE, IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO LIGHT IN YOU. ALL YOU HAVE PROVIDED ALL DAY ARE YOUR OWN VAIN OPINIONS )

Dude most of the things You've said are not backed by the scriptures... Most of your quotes you have all misinterpreted and no sane Christian will believe any of it....You lack understanding ...

Btw Go to other threads I have been on ,I quote the bible when I have to..There is actually no need quoting anything with you right now Cus you don't even understand the ones that you quote..Realized that from the beginning with you..

You have knowledge of the bible but you lack wisdom..And know that false presented as good in ignorance is a greater evil than evil itself so I would advice you to becareful...Shalom

buzugee: bruh, i suggest you take a tall glass of lemonade, go into your wardrobe, bring out that dusty bible you havent read in over a decade, and crack it open and get to reading, cuz you damn sure aint read that book in ages. i can tell.

i digress, there is no heaven and hell in the metaphysical realm. HEAVEN and HELL are descriptions of human conditions not physical places. everything happens on earth. just think of a revolving cycle. earth is the judgement ground which is where you pay for your punishment from past life ( ecclesiastes 3 vs 16[b] And I saw something else under the sun: In the place of judgment--wickedness was there,[/b] ) so earth is the place of judgement under the sun. this is where you pay for the sins of your previous life ( yes we are spiritual beings that are recycled into new bodies on earth every 3rd or 4th generation. its all in the bible ). so you live one life, then die and return to the spiritual realm (ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it ). in the spiritual realm you rest. there is no punishment in the spiritual realm. this is the place where you go to rest and wait for your next deployment to earth. in your next deployment to earth, you pay for your sins. if you were a good person, more than likely you will have a heavenly experience on earth. if you were an evil person, then more than likely you will live a hellish experience on earth, as judgement. however if you repent, which you will only be allowed to repent once you serve the adequate punishment required (galatians 6 vs 7[b] Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows[/b] ), If you repent and keep being good till you die, then when you return on earth again, you will live a heavenly experience on earth. ( this is why you see so many atheists etc around. these peoples hearts have been closed by the lord because they still havent served enough of their punishment from past life (ISAIAH 6 VS 10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed." ) SO THAT IS THE STORY OF HEAVEN AND HELL. THEY ARE BOTH CONDITIONS PLACED ON YOU ON EARTH AS JUDGEMENT FOR THE WAY YOU LIVED AND LIVE YOUR LIFE. THEY ARE NOT PHYSICAL PLACES. AND AS FOR THE SPIRITUAL REALM ? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELL IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM AND THE SPIRITUAL REALM CAN BE REFERED TO AS HEAVENLY BECAUSE IT WILL BE QUIET AND PEACEFULL AND BLISSFULL. HEAVEN IS A DESCRIPTION NOT A NAME. GERRIT ? THERE IS NO PLACE CALLED HELL IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM, NEITHER IS THERE A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN. IT IS CALLED HEAVEN TO DESCRIBE HOW BLISSFULL IT IS.

wooow at this point I really can't help you bro.. I wonder what people on here think about your state of mind when they read all this stuff from you...Shalom bro

Ok this is what I can tell you all about evolution.. First of all things are created and sustained by thought. Nothing in the universe ever exists without thought to create or sustain it. Life did not come into being by random chance but by intelligent design. There was a mind that designed the universe and all life forms in it. It may appear that one life form evolved from another. The reason is because all life forms are designed by the same intelligence. The way this intelligence works explains all of it.

It is the nature of intelligence to move from the simple to the complex. It is not the evolution of organic matter, but the evolution of intelligence thatis really taking place all the while. One life form does not evolve into another. It may appear that way, but it is actually universal intelligence evolving and expressing itself in different forms. All the different life forms that we see are simply manifestations of universal intelligence in its different stages of expression. Every life form is unique and is purposefully designed.

This understanding explains why the fossils of life forms in their intermediary states are not discovered. It’s because there’re no intermediary states of life forms at all. Sea creatures did not evolve into land beings, land beings did not evolve to take flight in the skies, and apes certainly did not evolve into humans.. Man may be physically close in resemblance to apes, but that is because universal intelligence decided to express its lower forms before expressing its higher forms. It’s the natural way of unfoldment.

Every life form has its specific place in the universe and there is no need for any one form to evolveinto another. Each was designed to play a distinct role and not meant to play the role of another. Every lifeform is a part of the complete whole just like every musical instrument is a part of the orchestra. One instrument does not evolve into another one. Every piece is created individually and remains that way until destroyed. Apes are meant to be apes and humans are meant to be humans without exception.

What appears to be the evolution of organic beings is really just unfoldment of universal intelligence into different forms of expression. Apes are one form of expression and humans are another. The reason why we humans are the last of all life forms to come into being is because we are the highest expressionof universal intelligence in on earth or this plane of existence. We are the apex of life. We possess a quality that all other life forms do not possess. We possess the quality of self awareness with freewill of thought.

All other life forms are conditioned by their environments and function in it according to their nature. We humans are capable. of going beyond our environments as well as to transform them to suit our needs. We are created to have dominion over the earth at a level where no other life form can ever attain.

Intelligence by definition is the ability to reason and think. All life forms are operated by universal intelligence. The difference between humans and other life forms is that humans are capable of reasoning and thinking apart from the guidance of universal intelligence. No being can gain independence of thinking from universal intelligence. It can only have it if it was given in the first place. We humans were created with independence of thinking and no other life forms can ever evolve into having such a function.

buzugee: you are just a discombobulated fella aint ya ? you are confusing yourself by mixing all this new age philosophy crap with the bible and added with a twist of greco-roman myth. first off you say the angels were kicked from heaven, and i clearly state to you that heaven is not a physical destination. heaven and hell are conditions on earth. then all off a sudden you switch to my position that heaven and hell are conditions on earth, which i am glad you see that reality. so why are you confusing yourself ? if as we both know, heaven and hell are conditions on earth ? then how did a third of the angels get kicked out of a condition on earth called heaven ? dude you need to quit with your bullcrap. you dont know the ibible. all you are doing is making a gumbo with your innuendos, new age philosophy, greco-roman mythology and part of the truth, and in the process you have completely gotten yourself discombobulated and confused.

You believe there is heaven and hell in this realm but you don't believe there is heaven and hell in the metaphysical realm? You're the discombobulated guy here but I will leave you to your ignorance..

italo: I think there is at least some truth to it. Because of the evidence behind it: both the ones put forward by scientists and the ones I have observed on my own.

yes there are some truth to it but the theory and explaination by scientist is not completely right.. The theory of evolution has a deeper explanationto what it appears to be. The standard idea is that life evolved to adapt to its environment.

There arethose who think that humans evolved from apes, and that apes evolved from other species. They think there is a chain of evolution that goes all the way back to the amoeba. These people even think that life itself was a random chance event of certain elements and chemicals coming together to form a p.attern which resulted in the beginning of all that’s alive

That's all ignorance and half truths.. Just like the big ban.g scientist have pieces of the truth but they just lack the spiritual intelligence to really understand and come out with the right theory and explanations..

ijawkid: @nyameke....answer me na....I asked u a question earlier.....


I asked if it was God himself who led d angels to fight against satan and his angels and drove them down to d earth or it was arch-angel micheal who God designated to do that Job?

Because u said it was God and I'm wondering is arch angel micheal God

2..

Is Jesus not a star too

You don't give up do you? Just going to give you simple answers ..
1.. The answer is Yes God did in the form of Michael ..Michael here is jesus

2. Yes he is.. Jesus is refereed to as a bright Morning star in the bible


By the way… There is one thing I would like to share regarding this question . Every Christian agrees and understands that Christ came to this planet and was born as a man. We seem to have no problem understanding that Jesus Christ came as a MAN to introduce His Father to mankind. Why is it they have such a hard time believing that HE would come as a Angel so as to introduce His Father to the angels?

buzugee: once again you show that you dont understand the bible. first off, in none of those verses you provided have i seen a third of the angels cast from heaven. but thats besides the point.

the point here is that you are so wrapped up in that greco-roman mythology and you dont know it. when the bible says someone was cast down from heaven to earth, it does not mean the person was cast down from a place called heaven to earth. what it means is that the person was cast down from a position of power to a lowly position. to further cement this point watch these 2 verses

LAMENTATIONS 2 VS 1 How hath the LORD covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!

ISAIAH 51 VS 53 Though Babylon reaches as high as the heavens and makes her fortifications incredibly strong, I will still send enemies to plunder her. I, the LORD, have spoken!

SO AS YOU CAN SEE ? YOU ARE MISINTERPRETING THE BIBLE AS USUAL. HEAVEN IN THE BIBLE MEANS A LOFTY POSITION NOT A PHYSICAL PLACE. there is no physical place called heaven. heaven is a condition on earth. it is a status. it is a position of rulership on earth. the israelites owned the earth before but fell and the lord handed the earth to the gentiles, hence the israelites fell from heaven to earth. rulership to captivity.

Lol you keep quoting stuff that you don't understand ..All you keep saying are all half truths..Truth missed with false..you really got a ling way to go bro..

Yes there is heaven and hell on earth ..And heaven here just means bliss, happiness, joy etc all positive and higher vibrations of energy....Hell here representing suffering , sorrow , poverty ,captivity etc all negative vibrations..
Everything in this universe is mind..All is mind/spirit.. you are what you think, and manifest those in your life according to the law of attraction doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not....Some Christians are poor and living hell on earth not because God don't want them rich...its because they are using the universal power of God(law of attraction in this context ) wrongly .. If you think negative thoughts you will manifest those energies in your life and vice versa for positive thoughts.. Everything works according to the law of attraction.. Don't want to go too deep but understand that heaven and Hell exist..ln the earthly plane anyone can experience heaven but in the spiritual realm (after death) after judgement only the believers will be in heaven..

buzugee: sirach 33 vs 15 So look upon all the works of the most High; and there are two and two, one against another.(your evil and your good side against each other )

proverbs 16 vs 4[b] The LORD has made everything for his own purpose, even wicked people for the day of trouble.[/b] ( God using the evil side of someone for his own purpose like whooping someone who deserves it )

quit with all your fantasy. show us where in the bible it says a third of the angels rebelled and were kicked to earth LMAO. nigga drunk on shekpe

your problem is that you lack wisdom to understand certain things.. You think you know or enlightened but you're not...Relax everything is a process.. I only continued discussing with you because you said you believed in jesus.. I usually don't go back and forth with people especially on the internet because I don't like typing.. I do more face to face discussions...


I'm going to show you what you asked for then we continue tomorrow deal?

When Lucifer sinned, Jesus said, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven” (Luke 10:18 and in the book of the Revelation Satan is seen as “a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth” (Revelation 9:1).

The bible also says in revelation that 1/3 of the stars in heaven were cast down with him...I told you earlier that angels are light beings, stars or whatever you want to call them

Since Satan is referred to as a star which fell or was cast down to earth, and Revelation 12:4 says a third of the stars were cast out with him, then the conclusion is that the stars in Revelation 12 refer to fallen angels, fully one third of the heavenly host

Btw as above so below so the inverse is that Satan will be able to seduce 2/3 of mankind to his cause ..

buzugee: you are the one all over the place with your mythological church indoctrinated bullcrap.

listen here, there are 2 planes of operation. the individual plane and the community plane.

God created the spirit in man to have 2 sides. one side is satanic, the other side is Godly. every human being has a satanic spirit in them. we all have satan in us. you have the freewill to either be satanic ( as some people are when they kill other people etc etc ) or you have the freewill to be godly ( like mother theresa ). this is satan. satan is not an individual entity strolling around by himself and being this individualistic person causing havoc all by himself. the human spirit is created and owned by God (ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 ). so that tells you that God owns satan. satan belongs to God. however God uses the satan in each of us for his own benefit (proverbs 16 vs 4 ). like if you decide to go on a killing spree, he will use your satanic energy by guiding your steps ( proverbs 20 vs 24 ) to someone who is due for punishment and he will let you unleash your satanic energy on that person. as such the lord is in control of satan and will use him to punish whomever deserves punishment ( hence why i said you only have authority over satan if your ways are pleasing to God psalms 125 vs 3 ). so we have established satan is a negative spirit in every man and is owned and controlled by God, and used by God as his police on earth to deliver a-ss whoopings to whomever deserves it. THIS IS THE WAY THE LORD USES SATAN ON AN INDIVIDUAL PLANE.

COMMUNITY PLANE- when a bunch of people with satanic spirits ( which simply means your satanic energy is greater than your godly energy ) get together. they are a force to be reckoned with. if they come together and form organizations like NATO and IMF and WORLD BANK and THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and AMERICA and EUROZONE. when these satanic forces come together on the physical community based human level and start building institutions ? this is what is called LUCIFER. they are a force to be reckoned with and because their satanic spirit is stronger and more reinforced because of the sheer number of them in the community ? their actions, which will be against the will OF God will be anti-christ actions and decisions, but because they are all still a property of God, he uses their destructive actions on a grander scale. like say if the lord wants a certain nation, who are committing heavy sin to suffer, he may get the IMF and THE WORLD BANK to enact policies that will bring starvation and famine to that nation by taking all their resources or via unfair trade or however means these luciferian organizations see fit.

lol what you just wrote is more mythology than you will ever realise son...
Dude God did not create man with a satanic side and a Godly side...All that you said is what we call half truth..Truth bundled with false..And that's how Satan deceives ....Satan is a created being just like you and you...

The examples you gave about God having someone on a killing spree to punish someone can all be explained with simple law of attraction ..The God that you talking about is not the Most high God/ Godhead, its the universal aspect of God.. God has two aspects the universal aspect of and the personal aspect of God..

I will explain tomorow been a long day.. You have a long way to go though.. Shalom we will talk tomorow

buzugee: you are the one all over the place with your mythological church indoctrinated bullcrap.

listen here, there are 2 planes of operation. the individual plane and the community plane.

God created the spirit in man to have 2 sides. one side is satanic, the other side is Godly. every human being has a satanic spirit in them. we all have satan in us. you have the freewill to either be satanic ( as some people are when they kill other people etc etc ) or you have the freewill to be godly ( like mother theresa ). this is satan. satan is not an individual entity strolling around by himself and being this individualistic person causing havoc all by himself. the human spirit is created and owned by God (ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 ). so that tells you that God owns satan. satan belongs to God. however God uses the satan in each of us for his own benefit (proverbs 16 vs 4 ). like if you decide to go on a killing spree, he will use your satanic energy by guiding your steps ( proverbs 20 vs 24 ) to someone who is due for punishment and he will let you unleash your satanic energy on that person. as such the lord is in control of satan and will use him to punish whomever deserves punishment ( hence why i said you only have authority over satan if your ways are pleasing to God psalms 125 vs 3 ). so we have established satan is a negative spirit in every man and is owned and controlled by God, and used by God as his police on earth to deliver a-ss whoopings to whomever deserves it. THIS IS THE WAY THE LORD USES SATAN ON AN INDIVIDUAL PLANE.

COMMUNITY PLANE- when a bunch of people with satanic spirits ( which simply means your satanic energy is greater than your godly energy ) get together. they are a force to be reckoned with. if they come together and form organizations like NATO and IMF and WORLD BANK and THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and AMERICA and EUROZONE. when these satanic forces come together on the physical community based human level and start building institutions ? this is what is called LUCIFER. they are a force to be reckoned with and because their satanic spirit is stronger and more reinforced because of the sheer number of them in the community ? their actions, which will be against the will OF God will be anti-christ actions and decisions, but because they are all still a property of God, he uses their destructive actions on a grander scale. like say if the lord wants a certain nation, who are committing heavy sin to suffer, he may get the IMF and THE WORLD BANK to enact policies that will bring starvation and famine to that nation by taking all their resources or via unfair trade or however means these luciferian organizations see fit.

lol what you just wrote is more mythology than you will ever realise son...
Dude God did not create man with a satanic side and a Godly side...All that you said is what we call half truth..Truth bundled with false..And that's how Satan deceives ....Satan is a created being just like you and you...

The examples you gave about God having someone on a killing spree to punish someone can all be explained with simple law of attraction ..The God that you talking about is not the Most high God/ Godhead, its the universal aspect of God.. God has two aspects the universal aspect of and the personal aspect of God..

I will explain tomorow been a long day.. You have a long way to go though.. Shalom we will talk tomorow

buzugee: you are the one all over the place with your mythological church indoctrinated bullcrap.

listen here, there are 2 planes of operation. the individual plane and the community plane.

God created the spirit in man to have 2 sides. one side is satanic, the other side is Godly. every human being has a satanic spirit in them. we all have satan in us. you have the freewill to either be satanic ( as some people are when they kill other people etc etc ) or you have the freewill to be godly ( like mother theresa ). this is satan. satan is not an individual entity strolling around by himself and being this individualistic person causing havoc all by himself. the human spirit is created and owned by God (ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 ). so that tells you that God owns satan. satan belongs to God. however God uses the satan in each of us for his own benefit (proverbs 16 vs 4 ). like if you decide to go on a killing spree, he will use your satanic energy by guiding your steps ( proverbs 20 vs 24 ) to someone who is due for punishment and he will let you unleash your satanic energy on that person. as such the lord is in control of satan and will use him to punish whomever deserves punishment ( hence why i said you only have authority over satan if your ways are pleasing to God psalms 125 vs 3 ). so we have established satan is a negative spirit in every man and is owned and controlled by God, and used by God as his police on earth to deliver a-ss whoopings to whomever deserves it. THIS IS THE WAY THE LORD USES SATAN ON AN INDIVIDUAL PLANE.

COMMUNITY PLANE- when a bunch of people with satanic spirits ( which simply means your satanic energy is greater than your godly energy ) get together. they are a force to be reckoned with. if they come together and form organizations like NATO and IMF and WORLD BANK and THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and AMERICA and EUROZONE. when these satanic forces come together on the physical community based human level and start building institutions ? this is what is called LUCIFER. they are a force to be reckoned with and because their satanic spirit is stronger and more reinforced because of the sheer number of them in the community ? their actions, which will be against the will OF God will be anti-christ actions and decisions, but because they are all still a property of God, he uses their destructive actions on a grander scale. like say if the lord wants a certain nation, who are committing heavy sin to suffer, he may get the IMF and THE WORLD BANK to enact policies that will bring starvation and famine to that nation by taking all their resources or via unfair trade or however means these luciferian organizations see fit.

lol what you just wrote is more mythology than you will ever realise son...
Dude God did not create man with a satanic side and a Godly side...All that you said is what we call half truth..Truth bundled with false..And that's how Satan deceives ....Satan is a created being just like you and you...

The examples you gave about God having someone on a killing spree to punish someone can all be explained with simple law of attraction ..The God that you talking about is not the Most high God/ Godhead, its the universal aspect of God.. God has two aspects the universal aspect of and the personal aspect of God..

I will explain tomorow been a long day.. You have a long way to go though...

buzugee: you are the one all over the place with your mythological church indoctrinated bullcrap.

listen here, there are 2 planes of operation. the individual plane and the community plane.

God created the spirit in man to have 2 sides. one side is satanic, the other side is Godly. every human being has a satanic spirit in them. we all have satan in us. you have the freewill to either be satanic ( as some people are when they kill other people etc etc ) or you have the freewill to be godly ( like mother theresa ). this is satan. satan is not an individual entity strolling around by himself and being this individualistic person causing havoc all by himself. the human spirit is created and owned by God (ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 ). so that tells you that God owns satan. satan belongs to God. however God uses the satan in each of us for his own benefit (proverbs 16 vs 4 ). like if you decide to go on a killing spree, he will use your satanic energy by guiding your steps ( proverbs 20 vs 24 ) to someone who is due for punishment and he will let you unleash your satanic energy on that person. as such the lord is in control of satan and will use him to punish whomever deserves punishment ( hence why i said you only have authority over satan if your ways are pleasing to God psalms 125 vs 3 ). so we have established satan is a negative spirit in every man and is owned and controlled by God, and used by God as his police on earth to deliver a-ss whoopings to whomever deserves it. THIS IS THE WAY THE LORD USES SATAN ON AN INDIVIDUAL PLANE.

COMMUNITY PLANE- when a bunch of people with satanic spirits ( which simply means your satanic energy is greater than your godly energy ) get together. they are a force to be reckoned with. if they come together and form organizations like NATO and IMF and WORLD BANK and THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and AMERICA and EUROZONE. when these satanic forces come together on the physical community based human level and start building institutions ? this is what is called LUCIFER. they are a force to be reckoned with and because their satanic spirit is stronger and more reinforced because of the sheer number of them in the community ? their actions, which will be against the will OF God will be anti-christ actions and decisions, but because they are all still a property of God, he uses their destructive actions on a grander scale. like say if the lord wants a certain nation, who are committing heavy sin to suffer, he may get the IMF and THE WORLD BANK to enact policies that will bring starvation and famine to that nation by taking all their resources or via unfair trade or however means these luciferian organizations see fit.

lol what you just wrote is more mythology than you will ever realise son...
Dude God did not create man with a satanic side and a Godly side...All that you said is what we call half truth..Truth bundled with false..And that's how Satan deceives ....Satan is a created being just like you and you...

The examples you gave about God having someone on a killing spree to punish someone can all be explained with simple law of attraction ..The God that you talking about is not the Most high God/ Godhead, its the universal aspect of God.. God has two aspects the universal aspect of and the personal aspect of God..

I will explain tomorow been a long day.. You have a long way to go though...

buzugee: Yup, Sure do. You ?

Glad to know..And I Definetly do too ..why and what made you to believe in him though

buzugee: you cant explain nothing to me. i have already seen what you are offering and its that greek mythology crap. i aint buying what you are selling.

Greek mythology? What Greek mythology.. keep deceiving yourself and think Satan and witches and enemies are after you..Is all in your head son ..you create your own reality..

buzugee: COME ON MAN. satan is spirit and lucifer is a 'man' on earth. isaiah 14 vs 16[b] They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee lucifer, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;[/b] and man in this context is plural. man in this context means a race of people or as was refered in the biblical times, a nation of people.

Ok understand that there are two planes of existence are the Heaven and Earth planes. Heaven here refers to the nonphysical dimensions and Earth refers to the physical dimension. There are different dimensions of the universe and different states of existence in each of these dimensions. The nature of time and space changes from one dimension to the next. Form and appearance also changes from one plane to anothe.

Satan is spirit in the spiritual or metaphysical world and man on earth..he will always be the adversary of God and his name will always be lucifer..Doesn't matter what dimension of existence he is in..

Also that's why I told you your higher self is spirit..As long as you remain on this plane of existence you are man.. when you die you move into the spiritual realms until judgement..

And since we are on this topic let me let you in on a secret.. At the highest level, beings do not exist in form but they interact with one another with their pure thoughts, emotion and energy. It is only in the lower levels where they appear in form. Therefore, we can see one another as separate and distinct entities even in Heaven, just like the way we see each other on Earth. Knowing this, we can understand why God appears like one of us whether in the heavenly or earthly plane. Because all appearance is illusion..

The illusion of appearance is the reason why In the physical world, Man questioned how can Jesus Christ claim to be God when he was one of us humans. He looked like us, talked like us and lived like us. That is the reason why people don’t automatically believe in Jesus Christ as God even though they saw him face to face. He appeared like anyone of us but he sought to let us know that he alone was the highest expression of God the most high...

Also in he heavenly planes, Angels questioned how can The Trinity claim to be the highest expression of God when they were supposed to be spirit or light beings like themselves. The trinity looked like them, talked like them and existed like them. The difference was that, the trinity appeared to be more powerful than any of them. But some of the angels headed by Satan sought to put that power to test, while the rest of the angels remained faithful and true to the trinity.

The Angels just like us also had a choice of pure freewill to serve or rebel against God and 1/3 of them rebelled ..

To conclude that verse is telling you that don't expect Satan to manifest into a beast, dragon or an ugly man with two horns that you've been told to believe when he comes to this plane of existence...people would be shocked because they expected to see something else...let those who have ears hear.....

buzugee: COME ON MAN. satan is spirit and lucifer is a 'man' on earth. isaiah 14 vs 16[b] They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee lucifer, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;[/b] and man in this context is plural. man in this context means a race of people or as was refered in the biblical times, a nation of people.

hahaha I see its understanding you lack..it will take a while but I'm going to take my time and explain that to you..I'm using my phone so give me a second..

buzugee: PSALMS 125 VS 3 For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity. BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE SAFE FROM SATAN (WHO WORKS FOR GOD BY THE WAY ) IS IF YOU STAY AWAY FROM SIN. IF YOU DONT STAY AWAY FROM SIN, THEN HE HAS POWER OVER YOU.

stop explaining stuff that you don't understand..


By the way sin will always remain as long as you live in this plane of existence.. All sins are sins of ignorance.. And all are forgivable because of blood of the lamb shed for us except the sin of unbelief..

Btw I know lucifer is in a partial way fulfilling his destiny..but I want you to explain why You think he is working for God..Cus you seem to be all over the place

buzugee: satan is a spirit but there is a physical manifestation of satans works on earth if left to run amok as the case is when the world was handed to him to do as he wishes ( job 9 vs 24 ). that physical manifestation of an unchecked satans work is 'lucifer' ( THE AMERICAN EMPIRE ) (THE LIGHT BEARER ) ( THE OPPRESSOR ).

and quit with that religious mumbo jumbo greek mythological bullcrap you just posted up there. and i thought you were a lil bit enlikghtened till you posted this crap LOL

you seem to not have a lot of understanding about Satan and about who you really are..Satan just means an adversary of God..his real name is lucifer..
Now that is established..I want you to know that the real you is also spirit and not just Satan and you are part of all that is and here for a purpose and that you create your own reality..do you agree with that...

And as for enlightenment well even Buddhist and Hindus and everyone now think they are enlightened..those are all lower forms of enlightenment..There is a lot you don't know though but stay with me.

buZ:

satan has power over you if your ways are not right with God (proverbs 16 vs 7 )
perfect love drives out fear
what is love ? obeying Gods laws and having faith
do right by God and satan will have no power over you

No he has no power over you.. if he has power over you its because you gave him that power...if you think evil its not because of Satan or anyone else but yourself ..the power that Satan uses to do evil OS the same power available to us all ...that power or force is the universal mind or the universal aspect of God..Most people and religions know this aspect of God but not the personal aspect of God or the Godhead ( only Christians recognise the Godhead )..Lucifer/Satan is just more aware or enlightened than you that's it..You create your own reality.. All is mind and what you think or focus on is what you manifest into your life good or evil

Your higher self is spirit and we were created for a purpose

buzugee: lucifer is a man. a nation of people. the nation of people in control of the earth. the nation of people behind the strongest military force on earth. the edomites. isaiah 14 vs 12-17

satan has power over you if your ways are not right with God (proverbs 16 vs 7 )
perfect love drives out fear
what is love ? obeying Gods laws and having faith
do right by God and satan will have no power over you

Dude Satan is God first creation and not a man..He was the light bearer the most enlightened being out of all God creations..He is not a nation of people..He is a created being just like you and I..

He sinned because He wanted to be part of the Godhead..In other words he wanted to be his own God... So great was his power of persuasion that took a third of the angels with him. A conflict arose between God and His angels when Lucifer attempted to ascend to the mount of heaven and wrest God’s rulership away from Him. Lucifer became known as Satan, the adversary of God.. God being the judge of heaven, conducted a trial and found Lucifer and his angels guilty, and sentenced them to the Lake of Fire.

buzugee: and you think the israelites have all died off right ? you realise this punishment will be carried on till christ return right ? we are the israelites subject to payments from our time in israel under antiochus epiphanes, to our time in the americas under the edomites and all over the world were we are scattered. we are under payments. you pay for your water, your light, your rent, road tax, insurance etc etc etc

Do you believe in jesus Christ?

buzugee: If anything you are the ignorant one. if you are not meant to see it, you are not meant to see it, which you dont so this is not meant for you. the man of sin is already on earth and has been walking the earth since satan was released from the pit after being caged down for 1000 years starting at 174 AD and ending around 1200 AD. satan or devil ( which simply means deciever ) was released again around 1200 AD for a short time. the man has been walking the earth ever since decieving everyone, presenting himself as christ and building an empire that has the strongest military in thwhole world. that empire is called lucifer. this man in question is blessed with the ability to create weaponry GENESIS 27 VS 40, and he was given permission to take peace from the earth with his weapons REVELATION 6 VS 4 and was uplifted above the righteous because the righteous were being evil ROMANS 11 VS 11. IF YOU CANT SEE THAT THE ANTICHRIST HAS BEEN UNLEASHED ON EARTH FROM AROUND 1200 AD, AND YOU ARE STILL WAITING FOR HIM, YOU ARE LOST.

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Satan's empire is called lucifer? You actually have no idea who lucifer is..But he definitely got you all confused.. Actually you got yourself confused because Satan has no power over anyone except what you give him..

You are here on this earth to live and make a choice so live and forget about Satan... This world is an illusion .You all give so much power to him even when he has nothing over you ... There is a lot of things you don't know..But know that you create your own reality and everything that you experience... The only power Satan has over you is the power of deception

buzugee: did you read those 2 verses ? when we return to the kingdom of heaven on earth, there will be no bills. bills were introduced by the greeks. the man of sin. the vessel of wrath fitted for destruction.

Yes I read it..You realised rhat verse was talking about what happened to the Israelites at the time?

buzugee: lol people already see him as the christ. what image do you worship as christ in your church and all over the world ? LOL. come on now. you cant be this blind.


http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2700000/Jesus-Christ-christianity-2752506-375-500.jpg THE CHRIST

ok your connecting unnecessary dots.. The man of sin will appear in this world just like jesus Christ did and not as an image or portrait form...
Yes the image depicted as jesus is not the real jesus but that is just another illusion and deception created by Satan..
The man of sin will walk on this earth just as God walked on this earth...Don't be ignorant son

buzugee: when did babylon become america ? there are 2 babylons. babylon under nimrod and the virgin daughter of babylon (america ). the man of sin, lucifer, is here. open your eyes. the man of sin is here.

Not yet his agents are preparing the ground work but he is not here yet..when he comes the world would see him as " the Christ"

Damn this is the third time I'm reading your post and I'm going What?
Ok so question.. Does paying your house rent and utility bills, etc means your experiencing hell? When did paying bills become a curse

buzugee: see this is what happens when you only read the new testament. ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS

you do know that the messiah says he will return when babylon (america ) is getting destroyed and he will rescue his people from the 4 corners of the earth. and those who do not 'rapture' with him to jerusalem will be the unbelievers who will be two thirds of the world. and those two thirds will undergo 7 years of tribulation and famine and pain and suffering eetc etc. you have read this in the bible havent you ?

Dude Jesus is not showing up until the man of sin (anti Christ/lucifer ) comes first...And when did Babylon become America ..Yes there is going to be a war but you are all over the place ..

Lol You are asking me if I have checked the meaning of Yahweh....ok so this is where I back up off because you have not been reading and understanding my posts...Sorry but we are on different levels of consciousness at this point so its futile going back and worth with you.. Trust me there are so many things and secrets I know that if I begin to write them here you will all call me insane or blasphemy ..because about 90 percent of the world do not know these and not awake to it.. Even most Christians through ignorance only know half the truth.... Don't like going back and forth so I leave you with this though no matter what Your level of understanding keep believing in Jesus.. God bless

buzugee: he is coming in our lifetime. after 400 years of captivity of the israelites in the virgin daughter of babylon (america), twill be thereabout. so slavery in the americas started in 1619. 400 years after that is 2019. so we are towards the end of this world and the ushering in of the world thereafter. remember that ww3 will be the catalyst to his coming back and as we speak all the armies of the world are gathering in the valley of decision ready to battle for ww3. all the american troops are headed towards israel, the iranian armies are in training, china is in training, the american armies are in australia ready for the battle with china. we are at the end. less than 20 years if you ask me.

dude what are you talking about