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It's kind of hilarious watching the " atheists" fight among themselves..
First of all if you believe in one thing and have no belief in another, there should ne no conflict whatsoever between the two..

Atheists who see a conflict between Religion and science are pseudoatheists in my opinion..If you don't believe in something it should pose as no threat or conflict to you.

There shouldn't really be any conflict between science and religion except that some scientific theories are faulty. The theories and explanations given to Evolution and the big ba.ng are two of such culprits..
The true meaning of evolution is not evolution of one life form to another on earth but rather evolution of consciousness or intelligence if you will.

Life did not come into being by random chance but by intelligent design. There was a mind that designed the universe and all life forms in it. It may appear that one life form evolved from another. The reason is because all life forms are designed by the same intelligence..

When the scientific community begins to realise and gets to this truth people will begin to see the harmony between religion and science..

angiemartinez: i askd dis questn based on wat is goin on in my family. My nephew of 5mths old has bin sick, d grandmoda went 2 consult wit d gods, n was he was reincarnatd, like he borowd money in hs 4mal life n dint pay bak n a curse was placd on him. N 2 worsen d situatn, non of us recognsd him n hence d sicknes. So d g mum was told dat he shud b welcmd n say 2 him we knw u now. N then d parents shd pour water in dia mouth n spit it on hs body 2 return al d curse placd on him in his 4mal life. N day shud give him money 2 hold, den d money shd b thrown away as paymt 4 d debt. D funy tin is dat after all dis, my nephew was wel. So dats y am askn

Well nice to know the baby is feeling better.. But I repeat REINCARNATION IS RETURN OF SOUL INFORMATON, DATA ETC NOT THE SOUL OR SPIRIT..we are all unique and different..

We have all sometimes been told that we have characteristics and behavioral mannerisms similar to a family member that once lived. That's because we share a common ancestral link or DNA with them BUT we are not them..

Now there could be a whole lot of reasons why that baby fell sick but Kami debt is not one of them.. In the bigger frame of things there is really nothing like karmic debt.. You don't sow and die and be reborn to come and reap..

One more point the baby got healed not because of all the process or stuff your family was told to do. That is just ritual. The one and ONLY reason was Belief not the process or the ritual. Your family believed the baby would be healed if they did that ritual..The ritual didn't heal the baby, but the faith or belief that he would be healed by going through the ritual did..EVERYTHING and all things in this universe is based on BELIEF systems

Well there is reincarnation but what you have all been told about it is different from what it really is..I'm am going to explain what reincarnation is all about..But before I do KNOW THAT YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE IN THIS WORLD..IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MAN TO DIE ONCE AND THEN ....

NOw understand that the soul of a human being has two aspects which are the active and the passive aspect. The active aspect of the soul is the intelligence or self awareness of the person which I call the real you or your real spirit to pit simply..The passive aspect of the soul is the memories, data and information of the person. After death, the active aspect of the soul transitions to the nonphysical realm. That real you will eventually come before the judgment seat and after that heaven or hell. It does not get reincarnated into the physical world. It is the passive aspect of the soul that returns.

Now it is claimed that several persons that span across different lifetimes are the same person with an oversoul that integrates all these personalities. But the truth is all souls of humankind are one oversoul. All man is Adam. Humans are a collective race. The whole planet is one being. We are all really different persons that are all part of the same consciousness called humanity. Unlike angels who fall individually, when Adam fell, all humanity fell. Because all of us humans came from Adam and we are all one.

When a person dies, the intelligence of their soul will pass on to the higher realms. But their life information and characteristic will be reintegrated into the collective unconscious mind of humanity and those information and characteristics will be imputed to a new soul that is born into the physical world.

A reason why a person has soul connections with specific individuals in the past and is even able to remember their past through hypnosis and other means is because they have an ancestral link with those individuals. The memories are not actually from their past lives, but they are obtained by tapping into the collective unconscious of humanity’s past memories. The ancestral link is the result of characteristic and personality traits of related souls being passed on to us as part of our life’s purpose in the present life...

So what gets reincanated is humanity or more specifically ancestral soul information , data characteristic etc, not the person that dies..when you die you move on unto other realms and await judgement. So while here you only have one chance to accept salvation. When you don't there is no coming back to this world to have a second chance..

Satan's aim is to always distort the truth. He always mixes the truth with false to deceive..Don't fall for it..

So yes there is reincarnation but not how you've been told..Hope the explanation helped..

Those that have knowledge about the universal and personal aspects of God will understand this article more..If you don't understand sorry you are not there yet..


It’s been a question about how God can have a universal and a personal aspect. It’s also been a wonder how a created angelic being can seek to become the new person of the Godhead. Such is a mystery of the high things in the universe. We have always thought that God is all that is therefore division does not exist because everything is one. But we need to understand that things can be same in substance but different in being.

The concept of the universal and personal aspect of God is derived through the principle of correspondence. The mind has two aspects, the conscious and the subconscious. God also has a conscious and subconscious mind. Think of the conscious as the personality or Ego and the subconscious as the body. The universe is the body of God and the trinity is the person of God. Both the universe and the trinity is God, for all is one but with different aspects.

You create different thoughtforms or personalities within you with your thinking. These different thoughtforms or personalities represent different aspects of you. Although each of them run your body at different times in order to express a different part of you, there is a dominant personality that defines the real you. It does not define you as a being because you are none of your personalities but pure spirit. It defines you as a person.

When one of these personalities becomes greater than your dominant personality, it overrides it and you become a new person. These is how metamorphosis occurs and which explains why someone can become a completely new and different person. It is a change of self with a different self. Such changes are changes in second order beings therefore it is different from changes in first order of beings. In first order changes, a person’s spirit is overruled by another spirit which is the case of demon possession. In second order changes, a person’s spirit remains the same but his thoughtforms and personalities have shifted in his psychological hierarchy.

God is a zero order being and a first order being. The zero order is the universal aspect and the first order is the personal aspect. The sovereign or most high personality of God is the trinity. The trinity is the conscious aspect of the God Mind. It is the trinity that decided to create all other first order beings as divine aspects of God. The Most High consciousness which is also the Divine Ego exist in perfect harmony with the subconscious aspect of the God Mind.

But one first order being that is almost as sovereign as the most high personality conceived and believed in a plan to ascend into supremacy and become as the dominant personality of the God Mind. If he were to succeed, then he would become the New God of the universe and rule all creation as he wills. When two personalities are vying for dominance, it creates a split personality or schizophrenia in a being.

But when one personality is clearly in control while allowing the other to play itself out, it creates the illusion of chaos when order is actually behind it. This explains why certain people possess the good-guy/bad-boy personality mix that girls find so attractive and fascinating. They are unpredictable, mysterious and thrilling to interact with. You want to know who they truly are, what makes them tick and what they’re really up to.

This also explains why the universe seems to be in chaos when there is actually a higher order behind the appearance of chaos. People wonder why if there is a God then why isn’t everything perfect. They wonder who is really in control, God or Devil? God is able to destroy Lucifer in the beginning but he doesn’t because he is allowing Lucifer to play out his grand plan to overthrow the Godhead throughout history so as to prove that his idea is ultimately flawed and will not succeed no matter what scenario he attempts to use it in. This is also to prove that God is eternally sovereign and greater than all other beings. This also shows God’s perfect wisdom and legal system of judicial government.

Lucifer knows that the Godhead exists in the most stable state as a trinity. For complete perception, there has to be a first person, second person and third person point of view. Since Lucifer plans to overthrow the trinity and replace it with himself, he has to change collective consciousness belief about the trinity. Lucifer is one person and not three, therefore he has created the new truth that the trinity is a single personality that plays three different roles at different times. He wants to proclaim himself to be God who appears as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in turns.

The trinity is the personal aspect of God as three persons. Each person is in the other two. Wherever one is, all three is. None came from the others but all three are begotten from the one consciousness of God in the nothingness. The role of the Father and Son are only relational and not literal. Only a trinity consisting of three different personalities can exist in a state of true love. Self love alone is meaningless. There needs to be another to love.

The Father is the one who loves and the Son is the beloved. For love to be fully expressed, it also needs to be indirectly expressed by sending a living person to communicate your love to another. The Holy Spirit is the self conscious spirit of that love. The name of the Son has been exalted above every other name because he is the ultimate expression of God’s love. Jesus is salvation for beings that were separated from the Father. Jesus is the person of true love, not Lucifer.

Another Article ...

There are only two beings of higher consciousness in the universe. Man and Angel. Both are Sons of God. Jesus Christ the bright and morning star is the brightest among the angels and the head of them all. Angels are pure spirit beings that are able to take on any form and manifestation. Angels are created beings and Jesus is the creator himself. Every being is pure spirit but the form it exist in the heavenly plane is angelic form.

The difference between Man and Angel is not very much. Man is considered Man because God created him in the physical plane. His form is human but his essence is Spirit. Angels can manifest into the physical plane by taking human form. In the time of Noah, fallen angels took human form and mate with the daughters of men. Because the act of mixing the seed of Adam with that of angels was not God’s design for nature, the offspring that resulted were giants and other impure humans that had the corrupted genetic code. Their minds were continually imagining evil and their nature was wicked.

The promise of a coming savior was given to Adam and Eve when God spoke to them and said that He will put enmity between Satan and the woman, and between his seed and her seed. Satan’s seed shall crush the woman’s seed but her seed shall crush his head The seed of the woman is a designation for the true humanity of the Messiah. Satan’s first two attempts to prevent the fulfillment of the promise were directed at individuals. Firstly by personally indwelling the heir Cain and secondly by killing the next in line Abel.

Satan then realized that the fulfillment was to be some time in the future and not to be realized in the woman’s immediate seed. So being aware that the promised savior must be true humanity, he devised a plan to destroy the physical purity of the human race and prevent the arrival of the Messiah. Which resulted in the Angelic Infiltration. Satan enlisted several of his angels to procreate with human females and produce a physically mixed offspring of human and angelic genes. These were called the nephilim and provide the history for the mythological tales of the gods producing offspring from humans. Half devil and half human is a corrupted race of superhuman beings. If this pollution of the human race was allowed to become complete, it would be impossible for the true humanity savior to be born. God’s promise would go unfulfilled and his character would be declared imperfect and flawed. This then would make God’s indictment on Satan imperfect and flawed and Satan would claim a reprieve and escape from judgment.

Therefore when the pollution of the human race became too extensive, God took action to counteract the attack by destroying all of them with the Great Flood except for Noah whom God found was perfect in his generations. Noah was perfect physically as he and his family were the remaining untainted human species. God chose a family of believers who were still physically pure in their genealogy and prepared them to begin a new human civilization. That’s why God preserved them so that the human race could continue existing and eventually lead to the birth of the Messiah.

All the rest of humanity was destroyed in the flood which removed the impurity. After the flood, Noah and family began a new civilization with totally pure human genes. The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, God has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The bible also calls Lucifer a man. God says he shall be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see him shall narrowly look upon him, and consider him, saying, “Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms, that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof, that opened not the house of his prisoners?” A son of God when residing on the physical plane is considered man, when residing on the spiritual plane is considered angel. Lucifer can transverse both the physical and spiritual dimensions.

Jesus himself appeared to Abraham in preincarnate angelic-human form. When the Angel of the Lord wrestled with Jacob, it was also actually Jesus the Lord himself in preincarnate angelic-human form. When man dies, he passes from the physical plane into the nonphysical plane of life. He becomes as the angels in heaven but that does not mean he becomes an angel. He simply exist in angelic form being able to do things in that form that defies all physical limits and boundaries. He is still Mankind.

Man before his fallen state was equal with the angels in glory. But when man sin, he forfeited the glory of God. Therefore he became lower than the angels. Angels now have the higher manifestation of the glory of God compared to man. God sent his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to die for us as man in order to condemn sin in the flesh. Jesus did no sin, knew no sin and in him was no sin but he came in the likeness of sinful flesh so that he could be our substitute for sins.

Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Man is lower than the angels because angels cannot experience physical death of the physical body but man can. Jesus was sinless, that’s why he was crowned with glory and honor. Jesus died in the likeness of sinful flesh so that he could condemn sin in the flesh. Now sin in the flesh no longer has power to condemn us before God because the old man has died and we now live as a new creation.

When we receive the new body at the second coming of Christ, that’s when we will be totally rid of sin in the flesh once and for all. We will no longer be prone to sin or think sinful thoughts because it is the physical-etheric body that we are in right now which is also our subconscious mind that has the nature of sin in it. When we are redeemed from this body, we will have a completely renewed subconscious mind. We cannot sin in that condition of mind. Right now we are redeemed spiritually. We still have sin in the flesh, or the sin nature which is an energy system within us inclined to sinful activity. But we are no longer condemned by it. There is now no more condemnation for those who are in Christ, because his blood has removed our condemnation.

Jesus being sinless was not subject to spiritual death therefore he could not physically die either. He was immortal and he could not be killed on the cross but could only suffer extreme agony and pain. Jesus willingly gave up the ghost and commit his spirit into the hands of the Father. At that moment the thick veil of cloth that separated the holy of holies in the temple where God’s holiness dwells, from the rest of the world was torn in half from top to bottom. God himself had torn the barrier with his hands and could now step out and have personal and total relationship with Man once again because the blood of his Son has made us fully righteous.

The reason why mankind exists is because of the Angelic Conflict. In the beginning, God existed with his sons the angels in heaven. Everything was perfect and harmonious. Until Lucifer, God’s highest, most beautiful, intelligent, and powerful angel sinned and rebelled against God by wanting to be like the Most High. So great was his power of persuasion that took a third of the angels with him. A conflict arose between God and His angels when Lucifer attempted to ascend to the mount of heaven and wrest God’s rulership away from Him. Lucifer became known as Satan, the adversary of God. The resulting battle left the surface of the earth in ruins and packed in ice. God being the judge of heaven, conducted a trial and found Lucifer and his angels guilty, and sentenced them to the Lake of Fire.

But Lucifer appealed his sentence with an accusation against God’s character by saying how can a loving God cast His creatures into hell. This was an attack on divine righteousness and justice, thinking that love supersedes them. To answer this appeal, God created man, a lower being, and set him into the great stadium of earth, an open theater for all the angels to observe. God allowed Lucifer to tempt man into sinning and hence had to judge man as condemned to eternal death as well.

Then He would so something that was an incredible shock to all of the angelic creation. The Creator Himself took on the form of this lower being and allowed these sinful, stupid, gullible men to abuse Him and mock Him and finally nail Him to a Roman Cross in an attempt to destroy Him. Only to turn it around and bear the penalty for the sins of those same sinful, stupid, vicious people as well as the rest of us. Thus fulfilling the claims His justice had against us because our sins have been paid for, and so we can live with Him and fellowship with Him forever. Satan thought that the messiah had come to rule as king on the earth but he did not know his real plan was to pay for the sins of humanity, which none of the angels, the princes of this world knew. For had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Now we are seated together with Christ in the heavenly places, far above all principalities and powers. Man in Christ is above the angels and all creation. As Christ is, so are we in this world. Greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. Jesus said he has given us authority to trample on snakes, scorpions and over all the power of the enemy. The redeemed state of Man is more glorious than his created state. Because what Man had lost, Christ has purchased with his own blood more than what Man ever possessed before in the beginning. We once had a condemnation that we could never lift, and now we have a justification that we could never forfeit if we believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

There is no greater demonstration of love than this. Hence, God has shown that he is a just and loving God that he says he is. It clearly demonstrates that God is indeed fair and just and right, and that the fallen angels do deserve the sentence they have received. We as humans are to serve as witnesses of God’s love for the prosecution in the greatest trial of the universe involving God, Mankind and the Angels. Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more the things that pertain to this life. The holy spirit is come to reprove the world of judgment, not judgment of humanity but of angels, for the Prince of this world is judged.

This article is from a Christian brother I call my mentor and in my opinion the most enlightened Christian I know.... I will make threads and post a few of his articles...


There are two paths to knowing God. One is Enlightenment and the other is Salvation. Most people are aware of only one path but not the other. Each of these paths enable us to know an aspect of God. We know the universal aspect of God through enlightenment and we know the personal aspect of God through salvation. Both enlightenment and salvation are necessary for knowing God completely. Realize that the source of enlightenment and salvation is God himself no matter the messenger.

Lucifer the Light Bringer is the one who brings enlightenment to mankind. Enlightenment is transcending the Ego. It is about surrendering to a higher power, the divine intelligence that runs the cosmos and the universe. Enlightenment is letting go and letting God. A state of nonattachment to all things. To trust in God as being in control of all things. To harmonize with the flow of divinity and to let nature take its course. Enlightenment is the highest state of consciousness indeed. But what Lucifer brings is only one half of the truth. He brings people to know only the universal aspect of God but not the personal Aspect.

Jesus is Lord of all creation, but he is Savior only to those who are believers. That is why many will come to him on judgment day saying “Lord we have done many wonderful things in your name. We have cast out demons, heal the sick, and prophesized in your name.” But Jesus will say “I never knew you.” That is because they only knew the universal aspect of God but not the personal aspect. The name which they know him with is Christ which means Anointed One, but not Jesus which means Savior. God cannot be fully known in Enlightenment alone but in Redemption as well. To know God is Love is to know that he became the Savior of the world.

All religions know God but only Christianity knows The Lord (Yahweh) is God and Savior. Lucifer would never want the world to know God gave his life to save his creatures from sins. For that would automatically transform their soul nature into allegiance with the Most High and not with him. Lucifer knows that once a person believes in the Son of God, the effect of the Blood of the Lamb which is the eternal life of Jesus would merge with their spirit and cause them to be spiritually reborn into relational oneness with the Most High. Their soul nature will now be irreversibly aligned with the true God because of the holy spirit that permanently indwells them. Therefore once a person belongs to Jesus, he could never truly serve Lucifer.

Although Lucifer is the Enlightener of the world, that does not mean we should shun the doctrine of enlightenment. Most Christians have trouble living life with effortlessness and nonresistance compared to spiritually evolved people of other religions because the Devil has hidden that portion of the truth from God’s people. To Christians, he has hidden the universal aspect of God. To the world, he has hidden the personal aspect of God. But Lucifer was created to be the enlightener as his name signifies. God lets him play the role he was created with in this world, enlightening mankind. Although Lucifer has corrupted his original responsibilities by acting according to his own agenda instead of God’s, he is still fulfilling part of God’s plan in universal unfoldment. Because the Most High God is sovereign in the workings of the universe. If Lucifer had not fallen, he would be playing his role perfectly as the enlightener of mankind according to God’s way and not his own.

Lucifer has a light side and a shadow side. The light side is where the positive exist and the shadow side is where the negative exist. But both his light side and shadow side are corrupted. Lucifer’s white is not pure white and his black is not pure black. They are impure in relation with the Most High. He knows the universal aspect of God but he has separated himself from the personal aspect of God. Good and evil are not opposites, but are different operational facets used for creational purposes within the Unity of the One Consciousness of all that exists. Evil simply means an inferior quality compared with good. Therefore a lesser good is evil compared with a greater good.

Lucifer is using his shadow side to bring people to his light side by awakening or enlightening them to the higher truth about being and consciousness. His ultimate aim is to change the cosmic order of the universe as a God that brings a higher revelation of spirituality and the nature of God so that he and everyone can be like the Most High. Lucifer is making use of good and evil in ways that are out of alignment with the thoughts of the Most High God. Therefore he is purely evil in the eyes of God. To sin is to miss the mark. Lucifer has missed God’s standard by thinking out of alignment with the personal aspect of God.

Enlightenment is to know that everything is form that manifests from formlessness. Form is emptiness and emptiness is form. One who is enlightened sees past form into essence. God also has a light side and a shadow side but both sides are good and not evil unlike the Devil’s. God’s good is more perfect, his glory is more glorious and his love is more true than the Devil’s. God’s anger is more fiery, his vengeance is more powerful and his terror is more terrifying than the Devil’s. God’s light side and shadow side are greater than the Devil’s.

Jesus being God in the flesh showed the light side of God abundantly through his compassion, obedience, meekness and righteousness while he was on Earth. But he also showed the shadow side of God when he expressed anger by chasing out the money changers and merchants from the temple of God and wrecking their stalls. He also showed the shadow side by rebuking the Pharisees, Sadducees and religious but spiritual fakes by calling them vipers and belong to their father the devil. He did all these things righteously because his consciousness is in perfect alignment with the Most High.

Angels are pure spirit beings that can manifest into any form they want. The appearance of a greatly terrifying beast could be a good angel that manifest into that form to scare away other terrifying spirits. That is how angels transform into devils to fight devils as one of the combat styles of angelic warfare. The spiritual battlegrounds are blazed with angelic fire, as the princes unleash all kinds of destructive power against one another with the purpose of devastating the force of the other. The appearance of a glorious, angelic being that looks almost like God, could be an evil angel seeking to deceive a person into following a path that is not truly aligned with the Most High. The world is roamed with spiritual guides and angelic teachers which seek to enlighten mankind while corrupting their understanding of salvation into a different form.

Salvation is the first step to our spiritual renewal. But after salvation, a Christian has to continue being spiritually transformed from glory to glory. That is a process which takes spiritual learning which leads to evolution of consciousness and awareness. It is gaining knowledge, wisdom and understanding that makes a person more and more spiritually enlightened. All knowledge is from the Creator and can be learned from any created being that has it whether they are good or evil because knowledge is neutral. We must not be afraid to learn from evil beings but we must grow in spiritual intelligence in order to discern truth from error otherwise we will remain spiritually weak.

Enlightenment is to know that all is one and everything is connected. The fundamental reason for individuality is so that the original Creator can experience itself from an infinite number of viewpoints. It would be much more realistic if the viewpoints were truly independent and creative, with their own senses of intelligence and freewill. But all consciousness is really one. Individuals of great light are here to show others of the underlying unity of all reality. Enlightenment only allows us to realize our connection with the universal aspect of God. Salvation is our reconciliation with the personal aspect of God through Jesus Christ. Lucifer wants us to receive enlightenment without salvation because to him it is the universal aspect of God that we need to realize and not the personal aspect. He wrongly reasons that the trinity being the first projection of original consciousness are not entirely awakened in their thinking.

All knowledge and development of the external world is for knowing and developing the internal world. Understanding reality is for understanding the mind because we are all mind. Spiritual evolution is the ultimate work and is of eternal value. Spiritual learning takes place on Earth and continues on in heaven. The only place to choose salvation is life on Earth. If a person does not choose to believe in the Savior Jesus as the Son of God who died for sins, then their names will be blotted out of the Book of Life because of the sin of unbelief. There is no chance to receive salvation in the next world which would be hell for those who do not believe.

But as for enlightenment, if a person does not become enlightened while on Earth, he will continue the spiritual learning and evolution into enlightenment in heaven. Contrary to the Light Bringer’s deception that a person has to return to Earth through reincarnation in order to learn spiritual lessons, heaven is a place where you can continue spiritual learning. After all, the angels did not have Earth as a place to undergo spiritual learning. Even Lucifer the Enlightener himself obtained the fullness of his wisdom in heaven. All experience is mental, therefore the essence of all learning can take place purely in the imagination..

Deep Sight: ^^^^ It is a lamentable and also goat-like contradiction son. Goodnite.

Nope That's your opinion and reality not my reality son...We will talk soon.. btw good afternoon

Deep Sight: I need to point it out? Funny! You say that one is subject to the other and obeys the other, and yet you insist that both are ALMIGHTY.

That is not a contradiction?

Una sef.

oh ok. Nope not a contradiction at all .. I'm not going to repeat myself but if you starry reading from page 4 or 5 you will see why iI said that.. been a long day and don't feel like repeating myself.

@ Goshen if you are still confused about 1 Cor. 11:3 this how I used the concept of duality to explain that verse to @ Ijaw ..( obviously he didn't get it but I hope it helps)..

Head here in this verse means direction or lead.. when you are the head of something you lead and give direction to it.. it doesn't mean you are greater or superior than..

Man and woman follows the concept of duality.. yin and yan..c Conscious and subconcious mind. Man and woman are different in roles but equal in importance and status. Man is the head but woman is the body and the heart.The head has to direct the body properly or it will get lost. Woman is normally lost without a man in her life. She is a damsel in distress longing for her prince charming to save her and show her the way. The body has to follow what the head tells it to do or they will both not accomplish anything together. ...

The man is the head and woman is the body..Now understand that man (mankind in this context ) has sin and fallen with no sense of direction or leadership, so therefore we need a head to give us direction .. so who better than the Almighty himself, the prince of peace and the most powerful to guide and lead us.. That's why the church (man ) is called the body of Christ ...

Deep Sight: What sort of contradiction is this? Do you people think at all before you assimilate gibberish and spew this sort of thing?

what and where is the contradiction

Goshen360: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily Col. 2:9 kjv

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Cor. 11:3 kjv

However, I want you to realize that Christ has authority over every man, a husband has authority over his wife, and God has authority over Christ. 1 Cor. 11:3 GWT

Godhead depends on the context in the bible. Godhead as used in Col. 2:9 simply means Jesus is God manifest or visible in the flesh because no man has seen God the Father. It means Deity. It means Christ is the visible expression of God, that is Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. He is NOT God as a man, as human being, other wise he will NOT die for God cannot die BUT he is God in the per-existed and manifest in human form. I have being saying this, seems no one is paying attention. "God" is NOT a one being name (cf Col. 1:15-20 emphasis on vs.19).

Now, when you study 1 Cor 11:3, it tell you that head of Christ is God. This context simply doesn't mean the physical head but authority which the God's Word Translation I quoted. So What when you read Godhead in Col. 2:9, it means the full Deity that made God to be God, I mean the Father, it was deposited in Christ and that made him God also but Jesus did not think of it equal with God, the Father. This is what 1 Cor. 11:3 meant by saying God, the Father has authority (the head of Christ) over Christ. I still believe Trinity is a mystery BUT not as difficult as some of your are explaining it. Some of you are explaining as that, Jesus though God is the same as the God,the Father. That will interpret, God the Father and Jesus, God the Son is ONE ENTITY, not two distinct person. When you guys say that, then it means it is Twonity, not trinity anymore because you guys have said Jesus is the Father. Maybe am confused at to you guys explanations or am missing something.

No no don't say the trinity is a mystery because I know you are better than this..

I have already explained 1Cor. 11:3 but let's talk .. First of if you really understood the trinity Col 2:9 should have explained everything to you..
I hope we agree that the Godhead is three distinct persons..Each one is in the other and equal.. YASHUA said I and the Father are one.. Put another way it means that whatever qualities that is in the Father is in the Son and Holy spirit and what's in the Son is in the Father and the Holy Spirit. It's a unit so to say.. When you see one you have seen the other..That's the core of what Col.2:9 is saying .. it is also why Yashua told his disciples that " ...if you have seen me you have seen the father." It's also why Yashua= Yahweh and I have given evidences why..

Now back to 1 Cor.11:3 .. Everything in the universe follows an Order and its perfect . Even behind the chaos there is still order and it takes divine intelligence to see it..If you follow the essence and not the form all the secrets of the universe would be revealed to you.
Head, authority greater does not necessary mean better or of higher quality.. A man being the head of a woman does not mean a man is more human or of better quality than a woman.. The man leads and directs and the woman obeys and submits..what's different is the roles not their essence..The woman is still as human as the man.. A master having authority over his servant does not make the servant less human.. That's ignorance..

The father directs and the son obeys but they are the Almighty because they are one..

In a layman terms 1 Cor 11:3 is saying that to have a perfect union the man has to direct or lead/ head the woman because that's his role/ job.. A woman is lost without its head.. Now because man/mankind has " fallen" and needs direction/ head Christ becomes our leader/ head rats why the church is called the body of Christ..

Goshen360: Yes, I do understand Godhead OR you might want to teach more, I don't mind sir.

Ok so let's talk my Christian brother what's your understanding of it

I also posted this about Yashua

God came in the flesh as Jesus to deliver and save us from sin..God came manifested into this plane of existence as Jesus.. Also be aware that Jesus given name in the bible is Yashua and not Jesus. The translators called him Jesus..

And you shall call Him Yahshua, for He will save his people from their sins,” says Matthew 1:21.

In the gospels, the Messiah said that He came in His Father’s name – the name of YHWH. The messiah also told us that " I and the father are one "How is YHWH Yahshua’s/Jesus name? Or how is Jesus and God one and the same?

The name Yahshua is a compound word, made up of two Hebrew phrases. First, YAH is a shortened version of the name of YHWH. The Name YAH is a poetic form of YHWH, found throughout the Psalms. The KJV says, “Sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name YAH, and rejoice before him,” Psalm 68:4. Secondly, “shua” is a Hebrew word meaning to “deliver, turn, save, or salvation.” When these two words are put together, the Savior’s true name is revealed:

“YAH” + “shua” = “YHWH is salvation” = Yahshua=Jesus ( English translation )

I had posted this on another thread why Yashua/ jesus name is also Yahweh ..
Yahweh is the name of the Godhead..They are all in each other and equal but have different roles.. One is the father who chooses who to save and the son is the one who saves and the holy spirit seals.. everything is manifested through the son.. when see the son you have seen them all..


You are wrong son..Jesus is the supreme God and prime creator of all..Jesus said I and the father are one. I'm going to use the Hebrew scriptures to reveal some simple yet hidden truths for.. Firstly, the name of God in the Bible is called “Yod Heh Vav Heh”.

Every letter in the Hebrew Alphabet has a corresponding Pictograph to it. “Yod” has the pictograph of an “Open Hand.” “Heh” is the Fifth Hebrew Alphabet and the number 5 represents “Grace” in Biblical Numerology. “Heh” has the pictograph of an “Open Window” which represents a portal of heaven into God’s Glory/Grace. “Vav” is the picture of a “Nail.” Put all these together - “Yod Heh Vav Heh”/YHWH = Hand of Grace, Nailed in Grace. Who is that? JESUS!

When Jesus was crucified on the cross, the inscription over it was “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.” In Hebrew that would read “Yeshua Ha’Netzeret V’mlech Ha’Yehudim”. By taking the first letters of each of these four words we get Y-H-V-H, or Yod Heh Vav Heh (Yahweh). JESUS is Yahweh!

This is why the chief priests of the Jews said ro Pilate, “Write not, The King of the Jews but that he said, I am King of the Jews.” They saw that the name of God was written on the cross where Jesus was crucified and they could not accept it. They refuse to acknowledge that Jesus is God.

Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.” This signifies that what God has written, no one can change it. This is why Jesus always said “It is written…”

Jesus said I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

Goshen360: @ Image123,

See, Ijawkid is NOT saying Jesus is NOT God. He has said it in this thread. The question or issue we are dealing with is, Is Jesus who is also God the SAME (being or person, so to say) AS THE ALMIGHTY GOD. Almighty God in this context is God, the Father. This is what we are dealing with.

Now, If you say or believe Jesus, who is also God is SAME as God Almighty, who in this context is the Father, THEN WHO IS THE FATHER OR WHAT POSITION IS THE FATHER OR WHAT WILL YOU CALL THE FATHER SHOULD JESUS BE THE GOD ALMIGHTY (The Father)?

Kindly answer these questions please.

@Goshen I thought you understood the Godhead ?

ijawkid: Read that research work up there my freind...lol


That john 1:1 following ya analogy will only mean we have 2 true Gods instead of 1...

Because John 1:1 says the word which was God was with another God....

The context is what u shuld be considering,not just reading John 1:1 like a story.......

If Jesus was with somebody in d beginning,who was it??

And is he still d person he was with..................

Then we can call Jesus noob saibot.....


Sorry if I used some words on u...I'm sorry...

Please just read up that write up I tagged to naibe's comment about the title God and d review of hebrews 1:8 $ 9...

I earlier had given u guys many examples...

If u dnt read d bible in d right context u will end up confusing yaself...

I gave d example of d word LUCIFER ....

If I tell u Jesus is LUCIFER I know u will so argue with me...

But if u understand that word and then read scriptures in context u'll understand many points in d scriptures..

Son don't talk to me about context because if you undersutood context you wouldn't be all confused...
You read but you don't understand... And forget about the research crap that you talking about I have been there done all that. I know about the history of the bible translations and all that God god Lord bla bla bla and others that you have posted..

Carefully read john 1:1-14 and tell me what you really understand from it..once you read these ask yourself this..

Was the Word not God? Was the Word not from the beginning? Did the word not manifest in the flesh and named Yashua?

This is what john 1:14 says " The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth"

Yes I know that most of the bible translations have been tampered with..I can give you examples after examples using the Greek transcript and Hebrew transcripts..The core of the messages in the bible is what should concern you not the words play..don't let the luciferian agenda fool you..

I have already explained why Yashua is also Yahweh but for others that didn't see it I'm going to post it again

ijawkid: What u jus said sounds so silly because Jesus wuld never say it...

What did Jesus tell his followers about himself and his name..........

Oh u want to differentiate god and God eh

Its like u want us to go in depth into this issue.....

Let me give u a hint as to where ur small letter g and big letter G came from....

In d original hebrew and greek texts there were no upper and lower case for ur information....

So when u saw elohim or theos it was all in d upper casing irrespective of the god being talked about.....big letters...

English translators chose to start differentiaiting which god is which.......

Instead of sticking to d personal names of d individuals they started using god,lord for individuals when they knew those titles aren't names neither are they meant for 1-3 persons...........


Now back to d immanuel issue..........

If I name my child immanuel like d way we have many immanuels here on earth,does that make my child God or god??

Satan was called the God ....

What more do u want??
God is nobodies name my nigga

Please read ya bible well..........ok

No what he said was not silly you are silly.. Yashua didn't have to call himself God or YHWH the bible's said so and btw Yashua never denied that he was not God.. He declared it..

And speaking of Satan being god or God, anyone can call themselves a God.. its not surprising if you know why.. In the beginning there was One and this one differentiated into the many..In the core of things we are all Gods.. we are created or individuated expressions of the one God/source.. The Godhead is the highest expression of this source/ God because the Godhead/Yahweh is the source and the beginning..

God gave us all free will and you can choose to let him be your source of power or you don't.. when you don't out of ignorance you become your own God so to speak..

Out of ignorance Satan decided to usurp the Godhead and be THE GOD .. but Yahweh cannot be mocked and you know the rest of the story.. Now there is a reason why mankind exist but that's for another topic..
Atheist and other unbelievers are their own god..

ijawkid: In other words you are saying Yahweh is noob saibot of mortal kombat...........
Mumu trinity apologists...


U fail to read ur colossians between lines.....

Jesus was a medium an agent of creation.....

Through Jesus or by Jesus all things were created.....

Ofcus that should be d exception of Yahweh who gave Jesus that power and responsibility to engage in creation....

When u guys read d bible u throw away ur senses because paganism has enveloped it..

Please compare 1corinthians 15:27 $ 28

And see what it means when it says Jesus has all power and authority...

He is not d source of all power,but 1 who had received power from Yahweh...

Jesus was given power to do what ever he has achieved and all that is still to d glory of Yahweh his God and Father...


Because ""Yahweh is greater than he is""

How can Jesus be greater than himself.....

Trinity will make adults think like toddlers.....

look at this cretin calling names..You are soo ignorant its not even funny trust me..your level of consciousness is low so I am going to let nature take its course on you...

I have explained that your " How can Jesus be greater than himself " drivel a few times but you never got it because you lack wisdom ..I will try one more time and then leave you alone...

First of Jesus cannot be greater than himself..The Godhead is not one being playing three persons at the same time... The Godhead is three distinct persons.. they each have a will and can speak, love etc and yet each is In the other and they are God (I used an equilateral triangle as an example last time). The real name of this God I'm the Hebrew scriptures is Yod Heh Vav Heh”...

""In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God" The father didn't create the Word( Yashua), the Word was right there with the father right from the beginning not after, and this Word was also God.

The father created the universe through the word/ son..In other words The Word created the universe..The father directs and the son obeys and acts with the power of God... So the roles are different But they are God.. Each is in the other and equal.. Seeng one means you've seen the other.

The fathers role is " greater" just like a man's role is " greater" than the woman... Greater here does not mean better or higher quality..It just means more, or of higher quantity/ rank..

The man is the head, directs and leads; the woman acts, submits, and obeys..This is all done out of love and not because one is mumu and the other of higher quality..In their core or essence the man and the woman are equal and one but the roles are different ..

Now if you operate with lower consciousness like most of mankind you won't understand this.. To them the woman is beneath the man because she submits and obeys...
This is as simple as I can explain this if you can't get this then you are not meant to get it so don't worry and let nature take it course

First of all the title of your thread is misleading and shd be changed...
Not all Christians worship the caucasian image of jesus..All right thinking Christians knows that the bible forbids the worshiping of images.. Also Most enlightened Christians know that the Israelites were dark skinned people and Yashua/jesus was dark skinned..

The real issue here should not be about the color of caucasians that brought the message.. The question is do you believe the message?
Yes there have been attempts to tamper with the message but know that real Christians are not worshipping or believe in any Zeus or Meuz or Moose lol bit the Messiah. The only one through whom salvation is possible..

Only Christians would be saved and it doesn't matter what color of race you are ..

Btw all this back and forth would not help anyone.. What you should all be talking about is salvationand whom you get it from.. Jesus is the only one through whom salvation is attained ..The bible says there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved..

Now these are what most unbelievers and other religions say:
1.Jesus is only an Ascended Master? (False ..Jesus is Prime Creator of All that-Is)

2.Jesus is not God? Jesus is not Yahweh? (False and False.. There is only one God as the father ,son and Holy spirit )

3.Jesus is not the only way to salvation? We can save ourselves? We can be saved with the names of other enlightened beings or Deities ? (All False!!!)

Who are those beings/people that say things contrary to the Truth that the Real Christ came to reveal? They are what the Bible calls the “Fallen Angels”. They are any “Lords of Light”, Angelic Beings, higher dimensional Entities that say anything that contradicts the core of what Christianity is all about throughout time..

All beings that consider jesus as an ascended master, great prophet, teacher but not the one through which all believers will be saved are following the luciferian agenda..
They would confuse you and say all manner of things..The do these by mixing the truth with lies to confuse people..do not be fooled.. jesus said the devil is a liar..The greatest form of deception is to mix false with the truth and present it as truth..

Rat poison is 99% food and only 1% poison.. food for thought let those who have ears hear.

MsDarkSkin: Hilarity.





Case is NOT closed. B and C are meant to emphasize that they believed he would have prophet like abilities. If you are suggesting they ( b/c) meant that he was THE CREATOR, then you will notice they contradict NUMBER 2: "SON OF GOD".

Mind you the terms "God" and "Lord" << especially were used to describe people of significance and power. What is the owner of a land or property called? "landLORD". Such was the case in ancient European societies to describe nobility and owners of property. Their power made them God like.

The Bible was being translated to English at those same times (Old English) and those were the only terms they could use to describe the influence and power of Jesus. The SUPREME BEING and ALMIGHTY GOD were used to describe the ULTIMATE, the CREATOR. Jesus was not that.

Now, another key thing is that the bible has been reprinted over twenty times. People who did not understand the power of translation and the context because they did not know how to interpret the meanings, failed to realize the point. The point is that this child upon being born was dubbed "ordained to lead" and thus called God like, so they (those who do not understand the importance of ACCURATE translation and interpretation) printed "MIGHTY GOD", which is false.

Let's say there was a tribe where "Selay Tunoo" meant "Rising Star". And a child is born and named "Selay Tunoo" BECAUSE he was born at dusk or was unusually pleasant at birth (something like that), and he grew to do good things. And people wrote about him. Lets say in order to tell his story so that the whole world could understand, they called him "The Sun"...they would be right along the lines because the Sun is a form of a Star but OFF because it meant specifically "RISING STAR". So by calling Jesus "God" or "Lord" it doesn't mean he was the CREATOR, it just means he was a great man of influence....its just another case of poor translation and misinterpretation.

ok stop it woman because you are absolutely not making any sense..All your are doing is making baseless assumptions..You are wrong and I don't have the time to respond to all that but I leave you with this..

Yahweh/Jesus is Prime Creator of All-That-Is because:

“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” - John 1:3

Colossians 1:16 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence..
The Bible also says “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be save

Btw I have already explained on another thread a while back why Yahweh is jesus so no need to explain that again..

Ayomivic: If that is the question then the answer is NO.There is God and there is Jesus the evidence are plenty in the bible from Genesis to revelation even Jesus says it many times that there was God the father, not need of argue on this.

what you mean by there is God then there is jesus? This stance somewhat confuses people..if you say there is God and then there is jesus are you assuming that jesus is not God? I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand ...
There is no God without the father, son and holy spirit..Once you take one away there is no God..
The confusion about the Godhead is that people think The Father is the same person playing the Father, son and holy spirit or vice versa..Neither are they three gods playing one God..

The Godhead or God are three distinct persons and they are all the one God.. they are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.
Metaphorically for lack better word the nature or essence of the Godhead could be assumed to be like a 3D equilateral Triangle..Three equal sides forming One triangle..If you want to draw a 3D of an equilateral triangle you only need one side to to have no idea of what a 3D triangle should look like. Because they are all have same essence and nature ,perceiving one.side means you perceiving all. That's why jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father..

Now its the roles that are different ..the Father is the one that loves and the son the beloved. The holy spirit is the one that witnesses this love.. The bible says the Father chooses who will be saved and the son redeems them and the Holy spirit seals them..

[quote author=Mr_Anony]@Ijawkid; Why do you keep on conveniently ignoring this passage of scripture?

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Philipians 2:5-8 (NIV)

Are you truly seeking the truth or do you just like the sound of your own voice so much that you stubbornly block out all other reason except those that agree with your erroneous presumptions?[/quote]lol I was about preparing some more stuff for him but my spirit told me he is not there yet he has ears but do not hear.. he lacks wisdom.. He is the same guy who was arguing with me when I told him a man and a woman are equal but just different in roles...

He is one of those people with lower level of consciousness..People with lower level of consciousness think females submitting means they are inferior.. Greater means better, servant means lower or inferior, a follower means an inferior or a fool..Out of ignorance they will respect the minister more than they would a comedian or the cook or the painter.. They are all about the form and never the essence ...

Dambudzo: Adam and Eve were arabs, so how did we end up with black people, chinese, indians ?

lol man I should visit here more often.. where did you get that from btw?

Let's also look at how greater than is used in the bible and what jesus really meant when he said that..

In the first place, the term for "greater" does not necessarily imply one who is greater in nature or essence. It can refer to someone or something being greater in position and/or authority... It is quite clear Jesus was talking bout position or rank in that context .. but let's look at some scriptures:

"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew 11:11

John being greater than all those born of women does not imply that the rest were less human than John, or that they were inferior to John in nature. Here, the term must mean that John was greater in position and rank.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master,nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him." John 13:16

Both the slave and the one sent are just as human as the master and the sender, having the same human essence and nature that the master and sender have. Thus, greater here must mean in position and authority, not in essence and nature.

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these,because I am going to the Father." John 14:12

The disciples did not perform better works, but performed a greater number of works than Christ since they reached far more people than Jesus did while he was on earth. Hence, the term "greater" refers to quantity, the amount of works, as opposed to quality since the disciples performed the same type of works but in far greater number.

Once you begin to understand the context of how "greater " is used in these context then you will begin to understand what the messiah meant...
Ok now let's try to tie all these together.. The Scriptures teach that when Christ became a man, he assumed the role and position of a slave/servant:

"For who is the greater, one who reclines at table or one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at table? But I am among you as the one who serves." Luke 22:27


5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross..Phil.2:5-8..
Rom 9:5: “according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.”

In becoming a man something changed since he was not in a servant role to the Father before He became man. This was a change of position, not a change in nature. He, as God, could not empty himself of His essential nature, since unchangeableness is part of his nature. All His attributes are eternal so he could not eliminate any but he could put them aside in using them as He entered time and space to manifest to us as man..

Thus, as long as Christ remained on earth in the form and position of a humble slave, enduring persecution, insults, injury, and subsequently the shame of the cross, the Father would be greater in position and honor. Once Christ returns to heaven to be seated alongside his Father, he would no longer be in that state of humiliation. He would share, once again, that same divine glory and sovereign authority that he had with the Father before he had come to the earth as a man:

"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was... Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." John 17:5, 24

To conclude yes the Father was greater but in position and rank (I hope you understand why now), not in essence and nature..in their essence or core they are equal because they are one and the same. One is not more powerful and greater in all ramifications like you alluded to...

Now we can move on to other questions you have sorry if second part took a while I got a little busy...

ijawkid: In every way my dear....

Yahweh is more powerfull and all powerful.........

Yahweh entrusts Jesus with authority and duties....

Yahweh sends Jesus errands ......

There's nothing Jesus has that he didn't receive from Yahweh.....
Be it power,authority and kingdom......

There is nothing Jesus does that he did not learn from. Yahweh.......

Jesus learns from some1 and that person is Yahweh....


Yahweh is greater than Jesus in all ramifications.....

Jesus is Yahwehs servant....

U doubt??

lol I knew your understanding of greater as used in the bible was your stumbling block...The issue here is why would jesus say the Father is greater than I and then claim to be equal with God.. A lot of people have issues with that and thus their unwillingness to accept jesus as God..

Now all your claims are false.. Yahweh is not more and all powerful than jesus and he is also not greater than jesus atleast not in the way you understand it..

Here is the passage in question that people dwell on:
"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you ' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." John 14:28

We will get to what jesus meant when he said this but first we have to establish something ..I told you we will go step by step.( btw I'm using my phone so bare with me) we have to establish the divinity and deity of jesus as one with the father using the scriptures and what he himself said..( I remember on another thread I explained why Yahweh is the same thing as Yashua)

In titus 2:13 the bible talks about jesus as a great God
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"

In deut. Jesus Christ ascribes to himself the very exclusive rights of Deity:

“See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life,I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.” Deuteronomy 32:39

“Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” Isaiah 43:13

A careful look at most of John chapter 14 have Jesus claiming to have all of God's omni-attributes:
"And I WILL DO whatever you ask IN MY NAME, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask ME for anything in my name, AND I WILL DO IT." John 14:13-14

Christ is capable of personally answering all prayers that are directed to him or are addressed in his name. The only way that Christ can both hear and answer all these prayers is if he is both omniscient and omnipotent

"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, AND I AM IN YOU. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." John 14:20-21

Jesus says that he is IN all the disciples, an impossible claim if he was only a man, or even an angel. But since Jesus is God, and since God is omnipresent, it therefore makes perfect sense for Christ to say he is able to dwell in all the believers at the same time

He also says in john 10:30 that he and the father are one.. You can clearly see that jesus is also claiming co equality with the father here.. 1+1=1 now that's an incredible claim... I could go on an quoting the bible about jesus and God being one and the same but I digress..

So back to the greater than question..Now if jesus is one with God then why would he claim in that quote that the father is greater than him?

@ijawkid I will answer john 20 17 but before that we have to go step by step...You have to crawl before you walk so let's start from the core of your problem.. I had asked you what you mean by God the father been greater than God the son? In what way

haibe: Understand that Jesus was as a man when he spoke all this, a man has limitations but a divine nature does not.
Jesus(God in flesh/nature of man), the father(God in his divine nature),
Which is greater in a fleshly nature and nature of God?

Good point I have come to realise that most people like Jehovah's witnesses and non believers seem to rely on scriptures that deal with the human nature of jesus and ignore his devine nature as God Almighty.. They will repeatedly quote scriptures about jesus human nature and try to set them against his divine nature.. on the other side you have your ignorant Christians who only just focus on scriptures about his divinity to the extent of almost denying his human nature...

People have to understand that Jesus has two natures in the bible..
For the proper understanding of Jesus and, therefore, all other doctrines that relate to him, His two natures must be properly understood and defined. Jesus is one person with two natures. This is why the bible says he grew in wisdom and stature (only a man grows in wisdom) (Luke 2:52) yet know all things(only God is omniscient and Jesus is God) (John 21:17). He is the Divine Word that became flesh (John 1:1,14).

@ ijawkid I have a little time on my hands so I have a question for you..

What made you come to the conclusion that Yahweh is greater than jesus..I want to see how you understand the bible...

buzugee: THIS IS AN EXTREMELY GOOD QUESTION. THIS GOES AGAINST WHAT I PERSONALLY FEEL BUT IT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE GOD AND CHRIST MAY BE THE SAME. LOOK AT THIS

DESCRIPTION OF THE ANCIENT ONE ( LORD )-DANIEL 7 VS 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

DESCRIPTION OF THE MESSIAH-REVELATIONS 1 VS 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

either they look very much alike or they are the same wise looking black men with aged whitish wooly hair.

lol How are you nice to see the Lord opening your eyes to certain things..

Jesus Christ and the father has always been one and the same... To mankind he came as Yashua, to the angels He came as Michael... Jesus is also most times referred to as the Angel of the Lord in the old testament..

To put it simply A Christian is anyone who believes in Yashua and his salvation message.. if you believe in your heart that he Isyour saviour and died for your sins then you are a Christian..

All the other rituals are secondary.. You can read the bible from A to Z, go to church 27 and quoting the bible at every opportunity to show your knowledge will not make you a Christian if you do not believe in the salvation story ...The only sin rhat will condemn you to hell is the sin of unbelief...

The Devil knows the word of God from A to Z and yet if he was to manifest In this world as a man people would dare not call him a Christian and you know why...

These days the church which is meant to be a place of the greatest good is actually a place where the greatest evils happens. Food for thought

People need to stop scaring others unnecessary..

What is going to end is the end of the Aryan period or race and not literally the end of the world..we all live in the Aryan period .. The Aryan period or race started in 1BC and will end in Dec 21, 2012 11:11 GMT..And the Meruvian period or race will start ..

There are Seven Races of Humanity throughout time and each Age of mankind has to learn something ..I like to call it the evolution of human consciousness or human intelligence for lack of a better..humanity has evolved in consciousness throughout each of these periods..

The 7 races/periods are :

1. Polarian. 2. Hyperborean. 3. Lemurian. 4. Atlantean. 5. Aryan. 6. Meruvian. 7. Paradisian.

Most people living in this Age are part of the Aryan race.. while you have some people born already and ahead of their times and part of future races or Ages..people from future races are usually ahead of their time..

P/s I