₦airaland Forum

tolsaac:
lolz....lolz............cant stop laughing!

sbeezy8:
urhhhhh
Majority of People in Ilorin were not a yoruba group and never were. they were actually Bariba and Nupe muslim prior to Yorubas reaching Ilorin and then Fulanis. so Ilorin being Muslim because of "conquest" makes no sense, Igbomina aswell, Majority back then were NOT yoruba- but today they have assimilated into being yoruba with Language/culture Mainly Language.

Some Kwara people will tell you they are not yoruba- cause they technically aren't - Thats like calling Eguns in Lagos, yoruba- cause many dont speak Egun but only yoruba- they still arent yoruba.
I have Ilorin family that are NOT yoruba but technically Nupe/Bariba and call themselves yoruba because of assimilating.

Whether ilorin is Yorubaland or not varies from opinion to opinion.

Yes your opinion..Believe what you want ilorin is Yoruba state .. Nupe and Bariba history is not complete without mentioning Yoruba..You dig it

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Obalufon: Haha do you want me to you tell another story?? i guess not so believe what you want to believe but if you're truly a Yoruba as you claimed never down grade Yorubas with your logic saying oduduwa came from region that far behind us in civilization .

macof: Olofin is also a title. So where did Olofin Adimula come from?

macof: Still we shouldn't mix spirituality with history...Oduduwa in Ifa is creator of earth but you can't possibly proclaim Oduduwa(king of Ife) as one and the same entity that was in creation.

Men don't just jump out from the sky, Oduduwa must have been born and Ife oral history claims he came from the east. Personally I think he came from Iwo but we shouldn't just assume he came from Orun as a man without being born, instead we should investigate and research on his issue

Am just trying to be logical and not overly religious, there are could be certain things that Ife didn't know about Oduduwa and never bothered to inquire

Obalufon: EKITI ? "YOU CAN NEVER BE EKITI "THE PUREST YORUBA ARE THE EKITIS" .YOU'RE IBO BOY .

macof: Ekiti

macof: Bros the Bini origin claim seems authentic even though I feel more research is needed I don't think the Omo n'Oba would lie about this, unless it's just a confusion

Is Oduduwa truly from Igodomigodo?

demmie1: The most intelligent piece on the Oduduwa's origin so far, and you dont have to be a cert carrying scholar to piece the facts together.

demmie1: The most intelligent piece on the Oduduwa's origin so far, and you dont have to be a cert carrying scholar to piece the facts together.

tonychristopher: yorubas and cowardice, why facing tyhe igbos, you have lost ilorin,ofa,kogi west oku and so many places to north aboki, you dont even have a king in illorin, now you talk about igbos, bunch of cowards, ijaws fought you in ajegunle, beat you hands down, hausas fought you in m,ile 12 same beating.... now you want to compare igbos to youruba...face the toipic and claim edos, i served there and i know edo language and yoruba aint same


edo say lare fir come
yoruba say wa for come

edo say laoh for please

yoruba say ejo

DONT MIND THE SPELLINGS COS I AINT FROM THERE..BUT ARE THESE LANGUAGES RELATED

Katsumoto: Read my post again; this time slowly.

Don't wear ignorance like an armour.

And stop that nonsense about anyone dropping dead.

We are discussing Yoruba history here; if you want to place curses, you better find your way to a fake shrine.

Katsumoto: Do not confuse religion with history. History requires evidence; faith doesn't. One can be a Muslim/Xtian and still be a traditionalist. It is a personal choice. In debates about Yoruba history, or any kind of history, it is best to put religion aside. Even if you are a pagan. Religion corrupts your analyses. It is for this reason that I do not think of my religion when discussing history. A discussion about the history of Yoruba spirituality is another subject entirely.

Tony Spike: On a thread like this, several inputs emerge and I do appreciate true historians like Terracotta and Katsumoto who are sharing their knowledge in these area of Yoruba history based on their own painstaking research. I am here to learn and I am very open to knowledge because I am a student in my own field of pursuit also. However, I have discovered that there are so many angles to Yoruba history each with its own politics, culture, religious inclinations and social perception. For example, I am surprised that the Oduduwa legend was ascribed a female personality by some Yoruba groups as explained by Terracotta. As far as my primary and High School days, I was taught about the mythical Oduduwa who descended from Heaven via chain with a cock and palm seedlings (I think). I have considered my personal research into Yoruba history as my own way of understanding the past of my people. It has paid off so far and I'm glad about that. In my family line, my great grandfather was the chief custodian of the King's burial rite (somewhere among the Eastern Yoruba clans) and he was a specifically titled for that purpose. I am saying this to disprove someone who suggested I am an 'Akata'.

As a researcher, one of the things I've learnt is that knowledge itself undergoes several stages of hypothesis and theory to become what it is. The most important aspect to this is establishing the truths through the validation of such knowledge or even history. Validation of ancient history is very rigorous and sometimes, very impossible which is why archaeology is very important. Being impervious to hypothesis without any established basis is a very unwholesome attitude and any researcher should know that. I will hereby watch this thread as a spectator rather than contribute. Thanks to all.

macof: Where pls?

I have never heard of moon and Sun worship

And to ur moniker do u know anything about Obalufon deity? I need info on this

740megawatts: So, you believe all the names I listed above have no relevance to ancient kemetic sun god, HORUS? You and I both know that religious practices changes over time, this happened even in ancient Egypt itself. The Pharaohs in Kemetic period had supreme powers to determine the state religion, and this is often enforced everywhere. Infact, there are numerous cases of subjugation of gods over others depending on the number of influential followers they have in those days. My take is this, all those names I listed as being related to indigenous Yoruba worship are more than 90% related to Horus. The Horus worship was far the most influential cult in the whole of Nubia and Kemet (Misri). Let's look at these quotes:

"The use of his name was also widespread in personal names throughout Egyptian history, and Hor, as a personal name, survives into our modern era in a number of different forms.

The original form of Horus was probably that of a sky god, known as "lord of the sky". The Egyptian word " her" (hor, har), from which the god's name is derived means "the one on high", or "the distant one", probably in reference to the soaring flight of the hunting falcon, if not a reference to the solar aspect of the god.

Horus was apparently worshipped at some of Egypt's earliest shrines such as at Nekhen (Heirakonpolis), where he was assimilated with a number of other local falcon gods. In this capacity, Horus was the patron of the Nekhen monarchy that grew into the historical pharaonic state and hence, the first known national god.
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Here's the interesting one, the worship of Horus actually spanned over three thousand years (3000 years):

"However, one must remember that this god's worship spanned some three thousand years, during which time he was venerated throughout Egypt, as well as outside of Egypt."

Read more: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/horus.htm#ixzz2lNbMR400

I don't have time to cite books as I am very busy at the moment. As you can see, It is most likely that this cult existed and was very popular among the ancient Yoruba people. However, it's prominence must have diminished over years due to new religious ideas been proposed to replace the older religious settings. Might I add, that even the cult of Isis might have been carried into Yorubaland, I read somewhere that ISESE is the corruption of Isis.

So to your doubts, did the Yoruba forefathers ever worship the sun? Well, it is absolutely very possible as there are no written records dating back events before 1 AD to confirm our correctness. But even as recent as 1900's, we had rock worship, river worship (Osun river), tree worship; so why not sun worship as far back as 1 AD?

PAGAN 9JA:
Yes there is nothing.

Just 3 pillars and some inscriptions in Arabic on the walls.

macof: I am not saying that Ife is where the world was created, I am saying that Ife is where the Yoruba ancestors that were ape-like evolved into modern man.

That's why Yoruba people can't remember any history predating Ife.

So it's wrong for people to claim anywhere other than Ife as the origin of Yoruba

There were also other Towns around Ife eg Iwo, Doromi, iranje, oke-ora(seems this one was actually part of Ife) but these places recognized Ife has their origin.

Ife before Oduduwa was a place wit other independent communities

NRI PRIEST: I know it contains some Yoruba words but that doesn't make it Yoruboid. Igala people are very close to the Igbo. Infact you will find it hard to distinguish and Igala man from the Igbo. We are like blood brothers. They are very nice people;Infact,too nice to a fault.

Andre Uweh: Not Yoruboid at all.

amor4ce: Moses and his people are not the Hyksos who worshipped Satan. Rather, the Hyksos are the ones who enslaved the true Israelites in Egypt. The divine intervention during which the Israelites were set free from Egypt weakened the remnant Hyksos so much that the Egyptians were able to chase them away and reclaim their land. Support for this is in the Scriptures: (1) it is not mentioned that the Egyptians enslaved the Israelites (2) after the exodus the Israelites maintained friendly relations with Egypt (3) many times the Israelites went to seek refuge in Egypt after the exodus (4) Olorun reminded the Israelites from time to time not to forget that they were once slaves in Egypt, but never that they were enslaved by the Egyptians. The identity of the Hyksos is provided in Genesis 15:12-16 where Orunmila (the Redeemer) told Abraham that his people would be strangers in a foreign land for 400 years and would serve as slaves of the Amorites. Thus the Hyksos are Amorites and Amorites are Hyksos. Ancient Egyptian records of the Amorites indicate that they possessed features like pointed noses, light skin, blue eyes, blond hair, all features of the oyinbo. The Jews who are the synagogue of satan and never Israelites were very much involved in the trans-Atlantic slavery of 400 years. Since the US is modeled after ancient Egypt the trans-Atlantic slavery was a repetition of the slavery during the time of Moses but on a more massive scale, implying that the oyinbo, including the Jews, are the Amorites, the Hyksos that enslaved the Israelites. These oyinbo are the same ones who pretend to be Semites whereas they are not, and they introduced Christianity, Islam and Judaism, meaning that their followers inadvertently worship Satan and practice sorcery. They also use their lies to make the true Israelites and Semites in general look bad. That an event as massive as the invasion of Egypt by the Hyksos is missing - although alluded to in Exodus 1:8 - from copies of the Scriptures published and spread to the world by the Amorites/Hyksos/oyinbo is clear proof of the mischievous plagiarism and editing of same by these people. These people have also been altering Egyptian artifacts to hide their crimes (http://manuampim.com/modernfraud.htm) and must have done so as Hyksos during the time of Moses and when the Hellenists were in control of Egypt from the time of Alexander the imperialist, during the time Eshu (not Yeshu or Yeshua) preached the Gospel, and until they were sacked by the Turks/Muslims/people from the East.

Dolly-Parton:
Jesu mi o ni je ki n ba won bo orisa.

pleep: That statue is a masterpeice.

and @ that poster of yoruba gods... what exactly are they selling, religion or dick?

PAGAN 9JA:
yeahh sure we will. start from yourself, then your family, then your community and let it spread..