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Olu317:
Stop distorting history. If you are emotional about Oyo, there is no crime in it but to refer to Ooni as a white chief, you must be joking! You basically know not much about Yoruba culture and history. If you crave to know, then you need help from people who are versatile in it. Oranmiyan wage war against Obalufon to ascend the throne as Ooni IFE. Obalufon was a descendant of Odu'a also but of a servant mother which created problems before the arrival of Oranmiyan, who was stationed at Katunga before his arrival which led to the withdrawal of Obalufun from the throne. And Oranmiyan became the Ooni. Every part of Yoruba has this record. Even Efon Alaye was founded by him( Obalufon Alayemore) . And his descendants remain the Prime Minister (2nd in command) of ILE IFE till forever while Oranmiyan descent remain the Oonis like lineage.....Oga stop this unfounded propaganda about Yoruba history.

Saxywale

Egbon mo ki yin.

These revisionists no go let this topic rest.

Mo ri post yin ti e bi man yen ni very solid questions, wan bi da ko ni idahun fun awon ibeere yen.

Obalufon:
but oranmiyan was an Oni too read history and he has descendant in ife till date ..Oni ogunwusi is direct descendant of oranmiyan ..you need to listen to his Oriki man you are twisting history ..ife is far superior to oyo moreover oyo is no more glory of Oyo belong to ile-ife modakeke in ife are oyo returning back to ife after the old oyo was sacked by the north


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx2ViMucrls

Olu317:
Are you asking if Oranmiyan was an Eunuch? If that's your question, then the answer is NO because Eunuch don't procreate. . oranmiyan was never an Eunuch.Oonis in the olden days had people who were eunuch to serve and worship deities under the Ooni as they were seen as undefiled. And Sango was adopted. ARAMFE, had existed before Ajaokuta (Sango) came to being.

Olu317:
So,you mean we Yorubas descended from the Sky?We don't worship Sango in some part of Yoruba land. You are a real clown .You see, most of you people over believe Samuel Ajayi crowther's book, despite some errors in his assertions because he was misled by his informants. Sango is popular in the world today but not worship by some Yoruba people in Yoruba land . Ogun is more honoured as a deity than Sango in Yoruba land within Nigeria and Benin Republic if the two are compared. Where do you get your own information? How can Sango ,whom you call king of the earth be curtailed by Èdun Ara if indeed he is the king of the earth? Ogun can not be curtailed. Yet, he was not in anyway called king of the earth but recognised as a member in the formation of the earth . Sango was a man turned deity and known as Aja-okuta and he was the son of Oranmiyan. In ILE IFE and many people in Eastern Yoruba people don't worship Sango. Get your facts

KingSango:
1. There is a secret Ile Ife site yes, but no one discloses it. The Human race more then likely begin in the Rwenzori Mountain ranges and spread out from there. When Oduduwa came he was himself was over 7 feet tall and was of the Bachwezi of the Nile. The Bachwezi were giants because of their royal blood and they were born of supernatural powers.

The Ibimanuka’s royal lineage is rooted in the Rwandan story of the fall to Earth of his ancestor, Muntu, the King of Heaven’s son. As the first human, he became the people’s first father and first ruler as he gloriously created Mankind and founded “The Descents’” dynasty. His spirit lives on through the Ibimanuka, who holds his authority not as a single king, but as the representation of the creation of life.[i][/i]

This fall is from the Sky which is a solid object where Almighty Obatala descended upon the Earth dimension.


Oduduwa was a warrior and so was his grandson Oranyiyan. The Igbo people who they came in contact with were an old branch of Africans who lived in the forest. Upon seeing these Giants Africans and their great natural powers they all were awestruck. Oduduwa had the staff of Queen Sheba, as she is called by Bible scholars, but she is Bilikisu Sungbo, the bloodline of Isis, the Queen Mother of the Bachwezi, the official ruler of Kush. Bilikisu Sungbo was over 7 feet tall and it is said she could fly. Many royal families had super powers and could fly! This is how Obatala came down from the sky along with other Irunmole. In East Africa there are spells that they do to help them fly. Many witches still use this spell and it was greatly used in Ancient times.

The Alaafin is the supreme ruler. Sango is the King of the Earth if you understand the Yoruba Tree of Life. Orunmila is the highest Irunmole of light, Orunmila is wisdom, second to Olodumare, then comes the creator of the Orishas and human beings, Almighty Obatala the sky god. Then after Obatala comes Sango who is the Sun and king of the Earth. Then Ogun who is Geb/the Earth. The Ooni is a sacred chief who is entrusted by the bloodline of Oduduwa to represent them as the custodian. The Ooni is special because he is chosen by the Gods. But the Ooni is not Sango. Sango is the ruler of all Yoruba people. Sango is your highest ruling Oba on Earth.


Ase

Love Sango


About the Bachwezi:

http://undergroundriseup..com/2017/04/bunyoro-kitara-empire-of-light-bachwezi.html

KingSango:
Now you are proving my point more clever than you will ever know.

You are saying Ile Ife is the mother, that is what I am saying. The Lioness.

That implies that Oyo is the father, the head king, the Lion, the Oba over other Obas, the Alaafin, who is owner of the palace. And the palace of the Alaafin extends beyond its wall.


Ase

Love Sango
you are getting it all wrong ..ile-ife is the cradle without ife no Oyo no alafin can be crowned without consent of Oni ..Oyo raid on apomu brought about the collapse of Oyo empire read history oyo was without a king for a so many years which weaken the empire ..moreover oyo has lost it all. the present place your oba reside and called home was given to him after the total collapse of the empire ..Old oyo is up north of kwara state

Olu317:
FACTS TO BEHOLD

step1:
he can't mention. He will say Benin loool. Igbo boy.

KingOvoramwen1:
AND DONT EVER IN YOUR LIFE COMPARE THE GREAT OBA OF BENIN WITH LILTLE KID IN IFE YOU CALL ooni, ........ THEY ARE NOT MATES, NIETHER BY BLOOD, HERITAGE. CULTURE OR CLASS....... ...... I bet the other 100 or so people bickering to be ooni are already plotting how to kill this one and pay to be the next hahahah bunch of jokers

KingOvoramwen1:
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KingOvoramwen1 you are not edo . probably IBO Boy pretending to be edo ..just say Edo is igbo period...if you are edo and you taking this way about Yoruba when your forefather see us as their kinsmen brothers from the same source . ,it means you are a bastard edo man..your parents needs to be questioned for your ignorance .Pls drop name KingOvoramwen1 before the curse of the gods strike you ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGgGVAAQ[/s]


You are a mad man, and I do not reply mad ppl, and you are the bastard here trying to attachee to a tribe who don't give a Bleep about you ppl so my advice get a life .....

igbodefender:
Ooni is traditionally the Custodian of the Source of the Yoruba, while Oramiyan (Alaafin) is the Son of the Founder of the Yoruba. Both posts are to be respected the same way the posts of the Pope and Holy Roman Emperor were respected. That's the point. They are different but have contributed in their own rich ways to Yoruba civilization, so you cannot say this one is greater than the other, because there is no basis for comparison. Just a basis for respect.

igbodefender:
Alaafin is Oduduwa's first son, while Ooni is custodian of the source of Yoruba history. Both kings share a rare place of honour in the Yoruba pantheon of Kings. OP, please don't diminish the importance of Ooni.

The situation the Yorubas are in is just like during the Holy Roman Empire that once ruled in Europe: In that empire, the German king was the Emperor, while the Pope was the monarch of the source of European Christian civilization (Rome where the emperor went to be crowned). Both rulers were important. It is the same thing with the Yorubas today. Both Alaafin and Ooni are important to the Yorubas for different but complimentary reasons. None should be denigrated.

erosimo:
Pls I need to what you are smoking

Cyojunior:
BEFORE YORUBA HISTORY IS DISTORTED
All human beings are equal before God; the Almighty. He is
our Sustainer. The Creator of the worlds. However, God in
His infinite wisdom has created man and placed some
above others. It is a providential design to achieve universal
order, harmony and peace. He has placed the kings over
their subjects to ensure coordination. I love history, and I
loathe history being distorted. I am neither an ethnic
chauvinist nor jingoist. But I have special affinity for history.
It is worrisome when people concoct genres of myth in the
face of impeccable facts. I wish to delve a bit into in the
history of Obaship in Yorubaland ,with a special focus on
His Imperial Majesty, The Alaafin of Oyo and His Royal
Highness, The Ooni of Ile-Ife.
History has been so kind and friendly to the Alaafin that he
does not need to get into any battle for supremacy with any
Oba, either in Yorubaland or anywhere in the universe. No
other Oba had combined humility with royalty to meet the
demands of modernity like the incumbent Alaafin of Oyo,
His Imperial Majesty, Kabiyesi Iku Baba Yeye,Oba Lamidi
Olayiwola Adeyemi III .
According to impregnable sources of Yoruba history,
Oduduwa is the ancestor of the Yorubas. Oduduwa gave
birth to a son, Okanbi. Okanbi gave birth to seven male
children (Oranmiyan, Olowu, Alaketu, Onisabe, Orangun,
Olupopo, Oba Benin). Nowhere in history is Ooni
mentioned as one of the Yoruba Royal Families. The Ooni is
no blood relation of the seven sons of Okanbi. Historically,
Ooni has no traditional or political authority in the Yoruba
hierarchy. Riches and political fame of the Ooni from
1954_when Ooni Adesoji Aderemi was made the Governor
of Western Region by the Awolowo Administration cannot
undo the pristine history or invalidate the truth about the
Yoruba race.
History has acquainted us with copious facts that Ooni is
known to have been appointed by the Alaafin as the
custodian and keeper of the rituals and oratory of the gods
in Ile-Ife. The stool of Ooni was never known to be big on
hereditary kingship. Oonis have been the descendants of
Adimu the Olorisa, instead of being the direct descendants
of Oduduwa. The Alaafins of Oyo have been the paramount
kings and rulers of the Yorubas. Alaafin, in recognition of
his leadership,had intervened in numerous boundary
disputes involving the territories of the Ooni and Owa
Obokun of Ijeshaland
Some years back, when Oba of Benin visited Ile-Ife, the
comments made by Ooni Sijuade (I am happy to welcome
back my son and brother to the land of our ancestor,
Oduduwa) was quickly refuted by the Oba , through his
response:"who is the son of who?"
Moreover, The British as it was in their tradition recognized
lineage as meaning supremacy and legitimacy, preferring to
sign the Treaty of Cessation with the Alaafin as the Head of
the Yoruba Nation.
Also, on August 8th,1960, when Sir Adesoji Aderemi held
sway as the Ooni of Ife, Alaafin Bello Gbadegesin Ladigbolu
II was appointed the Chairman of the Council of Obas for
two years, Oba Adesoji never batted an eyelid. In 1962,
when Ooni had ceased to be Governor, he reverted to his
traditional stool and was attending the meetings of Obas
which had The Alaafin as the Chairman. When the first term
of Alaafin Gbadegesin expired, he was reappointed for
another two-year term. The Alaafin was reappointed for the
third time in 1965 until the military struck.
In 1966, Lt Colonel Adeyinka Adebayo made the Ooni
Chairman and the Alaafin his Deputy. Only the
Alaafin,among other Obas, protested the awkward
appointment and sought redress, as Alaafin does not play a
second fiddle to any Oba in Yorubaland. In 1976, the
military government had to reinstate the Alaafin as the
Chairman of the Council.
It is also a distortion to address the Ooni as "His Imperial
Majesty". This is another gaffe! Only the Alaafin is
addressed as His/Your Imperial Majesty. You cannot
assume the title when you have no empire you rule over.
Alaafin ruled over a vast empire (From Ilorin to Dahomey
and to some parts of Ghana; Ashanti) while Ooni did not
have that royal privilege.The Ooni is better addressed as
His/Your Royal Highness. This is history,my people!
The preeminence and supremacy of the Alaafin is obvious
from the above assertions and as deeply espoused in many
Yoruba books of history. We should not distort the history
by pitching the Alaafin against the Ooni. Oba Adeyeye
Ogunwusi made an unequivocal statement on his
coronation day that he was not into any supremacy contest
with the Alaafin. Therefore, Alaafin remains the undisputed
leader of all Yoruba monarchs.

lordnicklaus:
So are you trying to tell me that the name of God is "Chukwu" or "Chineke"? That would make the scriptures of Igbo origin and not of Hebrew origin. I have once translated from a copy of a Hebrew manuscript that was written in a book, I came across the word "Elohim." I will quote Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew for you to see.





"Bereshit bara Elohim et hashmayim ve'et haarets"




The word "Elohim" is used for both the true God and false gods. If you say "Elohim" is false, then you say the bible is false. And if that is the case, then the word"God" is false as any "god" is called "god." To differentiate between gods and the true God, He thus had a special name "YEHOVAH" which means "He becomes" which is derived from the Hebrew verb "hawah" meaning to be. So do your research properly and don't just assume.

TRHM:
One of the questions people ask when we tell them that we Igbos are Hebrews of the bible is:
How come our Igbo ancestors in Africa did not keep the 7 days Sabbath?
Instead, the Igbos have a 4 market days system of calendar.

In this video, we explain the reason.

the video is in 2 parts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TebgmmN-ub0


one can also get a written version of the video from the website:
ibosaretherealhebrews.com

TRHM:
One of the questions people ask when we tell them that we Igbos are Hebrews of the bible is:
How come our Igbo ancestors in Africa did not keep the 7 days Sabbath?
Instead, the Igbos have a 4 market days system of calendar.

In this video, we explain the reason.

the video is in 2 parts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TebgmmN-ub0


one can also get a written version of the video from the website:
ibosaretherealhebrews.com