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PAGAN 9JA:
^^^^

wtf? I can believe some people still hold on to all these old outdated colonial ways of viewing things.

you guyz remind me of that christian who tells me the other day, check the bible. it say the Earth is flat.

foxxi4real: I am proud I speak Yoruba, I am proud I live in Yoruba land and I am proud I am Yoruba. Yorubas are intelligent people, civilized people, beautiful people and exposed people, that's the reason why everyone wants to identify with them.

foxxi4real: Obalufon, I wish to educate you a bit today as I see you are not so versed when it comes to critical thinking

Eko (Lagos)
Eko is an Edo word which means "War Camp". During their several expansion efforts when the Benin empire was at its peak of dominance and spread, some warriors settled at the present location of Lagos Island where they strategize (from where they waged war on Mahin towns (Mahin are the same Ilajes that brought up this argument). The Awori's (as you have opined) were the original settlers, and they have been occupying the land before the Bini people came.

Obalufon, have you ever visited Iga Idungaran in your life? Have you even seen a Lagos high chief in his full regalia? They tie heavy white wrappers up to their upper waist just like the Bini chiefs.(there is even a thread to that on this same Nairaland https://www.nairaland.com/654079/eko-ile-lagos-benin-town). So if you still want to learn, the Eko people (at least its royalties, are direct descendants from Benin) Even some eko words have Benin origin, Idungaran, Eletu Odibo, Ashipa etc are all Edo words corrupted. The Aworis, the Isheri Olofins were aborigines. Get that!

Oduduwa and Yoruba Origin
Like I mentioned before, Oduduwa came to Ile Ife most probably from Benin Kingdom (even the Edo oral tradition states this) When he got to Ile Ife, did he meet a barren, empty land? Did he not meet people already settling there? When he became the first Ooni of Ife, did he rule over insects and rats and grasses? or did he give birth to everybody in Ile Ife then?
When his grandson Oranyan (who he sent) became the first Alaafin of Oyo, did he meet an empty land in Oyo? were there not people living there? or did he give birth to all his subjects? Did he (Oranyan) not send his own children to rule over distant lands? Did his children rule over goats and rats and chickens? or did they give birth to everybody they ruled over? I think you have to think deeply and stop all these political ancestry story that did not start in Nigeria until the late 19th and early 20th century when the British arrived. Before the arrival of the British to Nigeria, everyone knew truthfully where they were from and who they were. Not until politics kicked in (because of the selfish aims of the rulers then) that they all started claiming they are all from Oduduwa. Very soon even the Babagry and the Egun people will start claiming they are from Oduduwa.

I have never seen any British man claim he is from King George or King Henry, and I have never seen any Scotish claim he is from William Wallace or whoever or an Italian man claim he is from Napoleon or an American claim he is from George Washington. They all are truthful and sensible and not gullible like us.

And you can argue over this also: His name is Olofin Adimula and his title is Oduduwa. (his name is not Oduduwa!!!)

Finally again, not every tribe in Yoruba land is from Olofin Adimula, the Oduduwa of Ile Ife.

Those who can claim lineage are the people who are descendants of Yoruba kings; and not all Yoruba kings for that matter.

Even the word Yoruba is a name that was given to the people by the Hausas as it was a derogatory word.

Note: It was only the advent of the British that brought about this notion of Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo. Those did not exist before now.

I hope I have been able to put some reasoning in your head. Learn! Learn!! Learn!!!

foxxi4real: Obalufon, I wish to educate you a bit today as I see you are not so versed when it comes to critical thinking

Eko (Lagos)
Eko is an Edo word which means "War Camp". During their several expansion efforts when the Benin empire was at its peak of dominance and spread, some warriors settled at the present location of Lagos Island where they strategize (from where they waged war on Mahin towns (Mahin are the same Ilajes that brought up this argument). The Awori's (as you have opined) were the original settlers, and they have been occupying the land before the Bini people came.

Obalufon, have you ever visited Iga Idungaran in your life? Have you even seen a Lagos high chief in his full regalia? They tie heavy white wrappers up to their upper waist just like the Bini chiefs.(there is even a thread to that on this same Nairaland https://www.nairaland.com/654079/eko-ile-lagos-benin-town). So if you still want to learn, the Eko people (at least its royalties, are direct descendants from Benin) Even some eko words have Benin origin, Idungaran, Eletu Odibo, Ashipa etc are all Edo words corrupted. The Aworis, the Isheri Olofins were aborigines. Get that!

Oduduwa and Yoruba Origin
Like I mentioned before, Oduduwa came to Ile Ife most probably from Benin Kingdom (even the Edo oral tradition states this) When he got to Ile Ife, did he meet a barren, empty land? Did he not meet people already settling there? When he became the first Ooni of Ife, did he rule over insects and rats and grasses? or did he give birth to everybody in Ile Ife then?
When his grandson Oranyan (who he sent) became the first Alaafin of Oyo, did he meet an empty land in Oyo? were there not people living there? or did he give birth to all his subjects? Did he (Oranyan) not send his own children to rule over distant lands? Did his children rule over goats and rats and chickens? or did they give birth to everybody they ruled over? I think you have to think deeply and stop all these political ancestry story that did not start in Nigeria until the late 19th and early 20th century when the British arrived. Before the arrival of the British to Nigeria, everyone knew truthfully where they were from and who they were. Not until politics kicked in (because of the selfish aims of the rulers then) that they all started claiming they are all from Oduduwa. Very soon even the Babagry and the Egun people will start claiming they are from Oduduwa.

I have never seen any British man claim he is from King George or King Henry, and I have never seen any Scotish claim he is from William Wallace or whoever or an Italian man claim he is from Napoleon or an American claim he is from George Washington. They all are truthful and sensible and not gullible like us.

And you can argue over this also: His name is Olofin Adimula and his title is Oduduwa. (his name is not Oduduwa!!!)

Finally again, not every tribe in Yoruba land is from Olofin Adimula, the Oduduwa of Ile Ife.

Those who can claim lineage are the people who are descendants of Yoruba kings; and not all Yoruba kings for that matter.

Even the word Yoruba is a name that was given to the people by the Hausas as it was a derogatory word.

Note: It was only the advent of the British that brought about this notion of Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo. Those did not exist before now.



I hope I have been able to put some reasoning in your head. Learn! Learn!! Learn!!!

Obalufon: You are out of your mind foxxi4real, You are not Yoruba so there is nothing to tell you, I'm legitimate Yoruba from ile- ife , Yoruba is a name given to people of Oyo empire in the 14-15 century By Malian scholar ,"the greatest African academician Ahmed Baba of Timbuktu" is even a known fact that some Yoruba scholars were teaching in sankore university in Timbuktu as far back as 14 century . Oyo empire was created by Oranmiyan "Ajagun Elenpe" A great warrior from ile-ife, he also established the oba dynasty in Benin . Have you ever read in history where Benin kingdom engaged in war with the Oyos Benin was ruling Lagos which is predominately Yoruba speaking region rather contesting it with benin, oyo empire rather move to near by port of Badagry, from the far North control Badary ,dahomey to Togo and left out other part of yoruba speaking region to Benin kingdom Ondo and ekiti because Benin dynasty and Yoruba came from one source ..

Oyo empire extended to present day Togo, controlled the River Niger to upper Volta river, ebbed the advances of the Ashanti empire and Akan ally "Battle of atakpame'" and took control of the upper Volta river .

Oduduwa symbolizes so many things first the creator of the world , he who brings enlightenment, telling you a story will only complicate issue here . Odudua is just a symbol of new Era new dimension after the great flood to the people of ILE-IFE. Oduduwa "ate wo ro'..He who came from heaven to earth . there is a place in ile-ife enshrined to Oduduwa called gate way to heaven ,a place where they believe oduduwa landed from heaven through a chain .

No yoroboid classified speaking region in Nigerian without oduduwa influence in their culture tradition .., Igala,, itsekiri, edo, even nupe, they all have a story to tell about this Man god , is hard to unravel the myth surrounding oduduwa.

DNA can tell you where your ethnicity belongs to ,So no need for argument , Yoruba know themselves, though some Yoruba might be purer in blood than the other due to intermarriage and expansion. Fulani never conquered Yoruba they just managed to take ilorin through afonja Oyo northern General who took advantage of state of deterioration of the empire strength in the south of the empire to secede for power ,Ilorin chose their fate to follow islam is Yoruba converted Muslims fighting Yoruba with help pf the Fulanis and Nupes

foxxi4real: Obalufon is probably one of the slaves that were taken by the Alimi (fulanis), so he doesn't know where he is from but just trying to apply an unapplyable empirical formula to pin himself as Yoruba. He most probably is from Yobe or Zungeru

Obalufon: Are you Yoruba? if you don't know what race you belong to ,'you need to go for DNA test, I'm sure you will be told where your DNA marker fall to in Africa , if you know are Yoruba and you are thinking this way,i guess you need to read more of history and purge your mind off self hatred ,Yoruba race is one the unique race of people in Africa.

There's a lot of myth about Oduduwa and yoruba history likewise every other history in the world , even the bible is full of myth but no one dare see logic to it or disbelieve it .

foxxi4real: Obalufun, you can believe whatever you want to believe, you can help to twist history however you want, but one days when your children, my children and our children's children would have grown up, they would be busy rewriting our history the right and truthful way.

Has anyone ever wondered why almost (if not all) Yoruba Kings claim to come from Oduduwa? Wouldn't that be a scientific fallacy? considering the fact that even some of these town and villages had serious inter-tribal wars going, even during the time of Oduduwa himself.

A true Lagos (Eko) indigene for example, knows his ancestors came from Benin, (you can look that up also in your history book as I don't have all the time to teach you all that). Bini kingdom predates Oduduwa as you may also know. So why would a true son of Eko call himself omo Oduduwa? Is he helping himself or wrecking himself. The Ijebus are closely related more to Itsekiris than to the Oduduwa Yorubas.

Please if there is any contrary belief, please let me know intelligently and not just your childish ways of approaching things. This is an intellectual discussion and not one of stupidity and empirical beliefs.

foxxi4real: Stop letting people fool you all with their fake stories. The only people who are Yorubas are the Oyos, the Ibadan, Igbominas and the Ijeshas and their sub groups. The rest should strive to trace their real origin and stop pinning their destiny on one Oduduwa who himself was a latecomer to the land itself.

Oduduwa on his arrival about 500 years ago met a thriving organized community. South Westerners should stop falling for this Oduduwa blackmail. You are not from oduduwa. The Ijebus are Itsekiris etc etc. We shouldn't let all those Oyo and Ife people put us as subordinates to them. They are the Yorubas - not us

alj harem: Moreover Ikachi here is dahomey, just to confirm with I was saying about the Oyo, Dahomey and Benin

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQh6d6yOqjauTm_cDREI-TbXvq47QvRS3LxsiGy2DQz0TY8b9VGew[/img]

You can clearly see that Phase 2 of the Oyo empire did not even get to Lagos

Ondo and Ekiti were in Benin empire.

Lagos, part dahomey and part "Bini"

Drock4christ: [img]http://4.bp..com/-FJSNYBcQOBc/T6UAFTiaPPI/AAAAAAAABPg/dKDSXoGtWPQ/s640/Ori-Olokun.jpg[/img]
Yoruba Culture Symbol, Ori Olokun Unveiled In Ile Ife Osun State
Osun state Governor Rauf Aregbesola on Saturday in Ile-Ifeunveiled an Ife ancestral monument, popularly called Ori-olokun, as part of activities marking the inauguration of Ori-olokun Garden .

The governor performed the unveiling of the huge Ori-Olokun sculpture at the Ori-Olokun Roundabout, formerly Mayfair Roundabout in Ile-Ife.
He described the monument as a precious heritage of the Yoruba race, and urged the people to protect and preserve it.

Mr Taiwo Olaiya, the Executive Secretary, Ife Central Local Government, under whose jurisdiction the garden is situated,also described the monument as the most famous in history.

According to him, Ori-Olokun monument was discovered in the early 20th century by German explorer Leo Frobenius. “Frobenius could not imagine that such works were of African origin and came up with the theory that this great art was evidence of the lost Atlantis of the Greeks. “He further declaredthat the Yoruba deity, Olokun, was the same god as the Greek Poseidon. “The monument was further identified as a modern sand casting of a brass, which comprises copper and zinc.

“The name, Olokun, attached to this head refers to the fact that it was dug up in the late 19th century in the Olokun Grove and used in annual rites to honour Olokun ,’’ he said.

An Ife priest, Chief Faloba Fagbenro, described Olokun as the goddess of the sea and patronage of bead making, which makes glass bead working an important industry in Ile-Ife .

He recalled that the head of Olokun (Ori Olokun) remained in the hands of the family responsible for the Olokun cult until Oni brought it to the palace for safekeeping in 1934.

The the terra-cotta head of Olokun has been replicated in strategic places of the world, including Latin America, and Europe. The image always brings back to memory the civilisation in the areas of art and technology that took place in Nigeria and Africa before the British invasion.

Sen. Jide Omoworare, the senator representing Ife-Ijesa Senatorial District, was among the dignitaries that attended the occasion.

Source: PM NEWS.

PRINCE OMA: Now here we go again.arguments on the ILAJES.let me clerify something here.firstly,Ilajes are not Yorubas neither are Ijaws.A short history of the Ilajes goes forth:the ilajes settled down at Ile-Ife - at which time they were known as UGBOS-long before the yorubas did.amongst the kings that ruled then were,Kutukutu oba ugbo,EKENWA,AJANORON,etc.The benins came firto live with them and later he became the ruler of ugbo empire as a result of a problem that befalled the ugbo royal family.so they decided to pick someone with integrity from the people they rule over to act pending the time the problem of the royal family stops.So oduduwa who was at that time the new head of the yoruba clans,was picked after the ugbo[ilajes] consulted with the yorubas.this lead to disagreement and some of the ugbos led by oreluere[obatala] left ife to settle at oke-ugbo then known as oke mafunranyan.the place that later on became the war camp of the ilajes when they were fighting against the yorubas in other to regain their land back.on losing the war,the ilajes left oke-igbo to settle at the coast were we are now led by ORONMAKEN[known as olowo or olowonatunfewa by the yorubas]son of AJANORON and some other ilajes.so you see do not say what u do not know or what u re not sure of.be proud of who u are.TOU ARE ILAJE not yoruba or whatever.PRINCE OMA AGANMUYI.you can add me on facebook aganmuyi damilola for more details.

SmoothCrim: I maintain that the Ewe are a distinct ethnic group more culturally related to the Akan than Yoruba today.

I dare anyone to prove me wrong. Is their Origin Yoruba? There is no evidence to prove that they are and to me, it seems they are a distinct ethnic group most related to the Fon and others between Akan lands and the western people in modern Nigeria .

PhysicsQED: http://metmuseum.org/exhibitions/view?exhibitionId=%7b3836826F-B525-4F56-BAC3-DACB71D75B5C%7d&oid=50015023&pg=2&rpp=60&pos=99&ft=*

SmoothCrim: Learn history very carefully. I need real evidence. I have noticed from recent research that those Ethnic groups between Yoruba and Akan lands use Akan names!! I wonder why the Akan don't claim them??

They are more Akan than Yoruba or have been more influenced by the Akan. I can give give you the sources I am looking at right now. Yoruba's should learn to accept their real history and not claim a fake origin for distinct ethnic groups who don't show any characteristics of the Yoruba. The Ethnic group most related to the Yoruba live in Nigeria today and they are the Igbo and maybe the Hausa-Fulani who colonized part of Yoruba land!! Are you ashamed to be related to them??

Chyz*:
Lol...Like i said go ask your fada. Stop claiming Ewe they don't claim you and know nothing about you.

Ptolomeus: Dear friends.
I am South American, and student of history and African traditions, I would like to hear from you about these two "kings" Africans in America. I refer to the "Obá" Mosi Guineur ( "owner of the ASE and elect of Oloorùn" ) Barule Oba's kingdom, and Agelo Djisovi Sagbaju Agbovi I, King Fon in America.
My question is this.
According to your opinion:
1. These people are eligible (qualifying) to represent these people as kings?
2. They have the proper lineage?
3. Who / whom they proclaimed King / Oba?
4. You as Africans agree with these appointments?
I beg you to open your views on this interesting subject.

Warm regards to all!

Chyz*:
Go ask your fada.

Chyz*:
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. The Ewe are not yoruba in any way. Shymexx, its good that you want to know more about your people but claiming people to be yoruba who are not is not the way to go about it. Yes, the Ewe are originally from Nigeria, it is a known fact,but, they are not yoruba and never have been. They were put under oyo rule then eventually pushed out. They fled towards ghana,which was their very last stop. You should read and learn about the group before you go claiming them. It's like Igbos claiming Ibibios to be Igbos because the Aros pushed them out of their land and possessed it.

SmoothCrim: More fake history LOL. There is no relation between these peoples. hahahahahahahhahahahahahahha
1) These groups are not related at all.
2) Of these groups the only one who may be claiming history with the Yoruba are the Ewe(like the starter of this thread who I believe is a troll) but, there is no evidence of it and the history being given here is largely a fabrication.

Actually, this is very dangerous history and will get you in big trouble in some parts of the world. Look up other groups history before you try to claim them. The Yoruba claim of even the country Benin is largely false. The peoples there are a unique people and not Yoruba as some here would like to think.

Lastly, Yoruba are more related to Igbo than any of the tribes in Ghana or Ivory Coast and genetics has proven this.

Now for the Fulani conquest of Oyo

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/425784/Ogbomosho

A simple read will show this.

Those attacks still go on today!

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news-update/38100-oyo-farm-settlers-lament-attacks-by-herdsmen.html

Any questions? I only deal with real history not fake history written by semi literates.



To conclude, The Ewe are a distinct ethnic group who today have mixed with their direct neighbors of which the Yoruba are not one.

Obalufon: . Rest to your imagination. The Ewes know their root. We know ourselves ,there is link between us. You can't erase that with your jealous

Chyz*:
Wrong,wrong,and wrong again. What empire? Are you speaking of Oyo? Did Oyo control all of what is now Yoruba land? Ah-ah i don't think so.Watch out embelishment is a b!tch. Stop spreading lies and stop making up false origins and ethnicities such as "Ewe Anago/yoruba". Ewe's are not the Anago and their language did not mutate,ok? Walk up to any Ewe and speak yoruba and see for yourself.

anonymous6: always knew ewe's originated from Nigeria, I have ghanians friends of that tribe who have also said that but I never knew from what region or tribe through they descended from

SmoothCrim: All this is pure lies. The Ewe are about as Yoruba as a dog on the street is. This guy is either a troll or has a very big inferiority complex because he is living under Akan domination in Ghana. The Ewe's don't share a language with the Yoruba... Chose names similar to the Akan and wear Akan clothes. I think he hates Akan Hegemony over the Ewe so tries to fabricate a history without knowing the true history of the Yoruba(not glorious and filled with domination by the Hausa and Fulani) This shows how Akan Imperialism can drive some men to madness and cause them to even fabricate history. The names don't match up, the languages are not intelligible or even classified the same way and there is no evidence of a massive migration, the culture also does not match up. If you want to create a fake glorious history fabricate your history to match your direct neighbors instead of this inferiority complex filled history which cannot be proven in any way and is largely lies. This is coming from a Nigerian familiar with the region.