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shoodboi2:
Okay, now you mistake them. Continue 🤡🤡🤡

And talking of quoting where you made the bolded, weren't you the one who typed this: Present supreme leader Ali Khamenei was the one who dissolved the office, when he took over so as to make his position safe.

Or it wasn't you? Take a chill pill. You've been exposed as another liar and revisionist.

I usually don't go to this extreme with many of you guys anymore because you all just keep revising history and bringing fake stats up. Just needed to put you in your place.

You feeling yourself now,

The genesis of the whole agruement wasn't who dissolved who or who dissolved which position

The genesis of the whole agruement was if the good people of Iran elected or made the present supreme leader Hosseini Khamenei their leader. That was the basis of our agruement

You made a point that he was elected as president before assuming office,

I stated the only reason he took that position was because he was the stronger man after the last supreme leader. Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini died and he wasn't elected as the supreme leader but was appointed,
Also by law the deputy supreme leader was supposed to assume the position.
That was what brought the whole issue


Ok maybe I made a mistake by assuming it was the present supreme leader Hosseini Khamenei not the formal leader Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini that dissolved the position
Dose that changed the original discussion ??

Even if I got the info wrong does that change the original discussion we had,?? Dose that change the fact that there is nothing democratic about the selection of the supreme leader in Iran, that is is the bone of contention not who dissolved the position of the deputy supreme leader


You just want to derail the whole thing because of one mistake, Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini and Hosseini Khamenei
Both look alike are almost spelt and pronounce the same way, any person could make the that mistake.


So if you don't have anymore points to say there is no use quoting me back,

Cheers

Stop writing in parables clown
Talk to me directly
Today is MAY 27 memorial day, a public holiday In the USA hence am over active here.

Not everyone is as jobless as you boy😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

shoodboi2:
You're trying so hard to cover your shame after getting exposed as a liar and just another circus clown that revises history and twists fasts to twist their narrative, aren't you?

On the deputy supreme leader, I said... "there is no deputy Supreme leader", which is true because there is none. I never said the position never existed. My comment is right here: https://www.nairaland.com/7481160/russia-ukraine-war-world-news-weapons/1840#130167515

The specific statement you made is in bold below:



Senior clown obedience, you claimed the current Supreme leader abolished the office of the deputy supreme leader because it was a threat to his office. Then you added a link to prove your point...

Except that your link proves that the office was abolished three months before the death of the previous Supreme leader and appointment of the current Supreme leader

Thank God you said appointed not elected, at least we can agree that the supreme leader wasn't voted by the people.

So, why are you lying and trying to twist the narrative?

Why did you lie about the current Supreme leader abolishing the office of the deputy supreme leader? Of course, you wanted to paint the current Supreme leader as a power-hungry tyrant, but then it fell flat on your face. Then you claim you mixed the dates 🤡🤡

What about the part where you said he was trying to protect his office from the deputy supreme leader? You mixed your lies too

Take a chill pill. You are just another dumb clown in the circus🤡🤡🤣

Quote me were I said the bolded,


I will gladly accept my mistake

I mistook the supreme leader Ali Khamenei,
For the current one,
Who dissolved the position of the deputy supreme leader

[b]But that's only part of the agruement,
I know you gladly dwell only on that part, but won't address other points.

A win is a win

Procashtips:
You're a correct time waster.

Operation SIO.

SIO my foot😀😀😀😀
Just admit you got schooled
A man that doesn't know the different types of systems of government.

Confusing constitutional monarchy, Islamic theocratic government with a democratic system of government

What a shame,😆😆😆😆

shoodboi2:
Maybe you should pay attention to your own links.

Your link states that your so-called deputy supreme leader was in office until 13 March 1989. Your link also states that the current Supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, was appointed after the death of the previous Supreme leader in June 1989.

June comes three months after March, unless you have your own special calendar where June comes before March.

So, obedience4, how is it possible for the current Supreme leader to dissolve an office that stopped existing three months earlier, in order to "make his position safe" as you claimed?

Do you see that you are not okay? You just looked for a link online and posted it without even reading what you posted. Yet, you call yourself an expert in Iran affairs, but don't even know that Iran no longer has a deputy Supreme leader, or that the dates of your claims don't match.

As usual, I expect you to begin twisting things to suit your narrative.

Jezzz😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Dude you messing your self up,
You that didn't even know that a position of deputy supreme leader once existed before today.

Even if I mistake the dates, you and I can agree that there was once a position in the Iranian government called the position of the deputy supreme leader, which you claimed never existed.

Also the main ball of contention why the agruement started is the current supreme leader of Iran, who happens to be the highest authority in Iran was never elected by the Iranian people, period.

In conclusion Iran dose not practice any form of Democracy

shoodboi2:
Everything you wrote up there is BS. Was he a democratically elected president or not?

He was. But you say you don't care. You know who else doesn't care?

Western media.

Until I told you this, you probably never knew. They won't talk about it either because they know it decredits their position of the Supreme leader being a dictator.

As for the last part, there is no deputy Supreme leader.

Jezzz dude😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The question is simple, was the present supreme leader the highest authority voted in by the people

Let me Help you.
Hussein-Ali Montazer was the deputy supreme leader under supreme leader Ruhollah Khomeini

Present supreme leader Ali Khamenei was the one who dissolved the office, when he took over so as to make his position safe.

Here you are hyping yourself yet you don't even know about the history of Iran an how it government works.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein-Ali_Montazeri

shoodboi2:
You do realize that the Supreme leader was a former democratically elected president?

When the previous supreme leader died, he was moved from President to Supreme leader.

For about two weeks, he even served as president and Supreme leader at the same time.

I don't care if he was the president before,
He became the supreme leader, not because he was president, he sacked all his rivals, put others in prison, killed others, he was the stronger man after the last Ruhollah Khomeini died.

Why didn't the deputy supreme leader succeed Khomeini,

Omen100:
And the English people don’t get to choose who become their King/Queen and you accord to them as democrats.

Who is this one
Is the king of England the highest authority in England

Do edo people vote for the next oba of Benin,??
Do lagosians vote for The next oba of Lagos??

The prime minister is the highest authority in England, the king is just ceremonial

shoodboi2:
A very great point you made there. I didn't reply to his comment because I didn't even know where to begin.

China and Singapore are bad examples. And as for Rwanda, it's even a worse example, especially considering he compared events that lasted centuries with one that lasted a few months.

Genocides and colonialism are even two very different things with different intents, which makes them more incomparable.

Colonialism is one of the many evils the Europeans committee against Africans. Colonialism on its own is just one of three:

- The first was slavery

- The second was colonialism

- And the third is neo-colonialism

All three are forms of slavery, subjugation and exploitation. All three kept -- and is keeping -- Africa poor.

All three followed one another. When one ended, the other began. There isn't even a clear date to specify when one ended and the other began.

The difference is just how they are used to steal from us. But the results is always the same for us and for the Europeans and now the United States.

It keeps them richer and it keeps us poorer.

Africa is currently poor because of neo-colonialism. And let's forget all that talk about our leaders being bad.

Yep, they are bad. But they are the ones we are allowed to select from. The colonists and neo-colonists killed the good ones they had no control over.

Then they give us the bad ones and tell us to choose.

Anyone we choose, only ends up doing their bidding. And those who refused are soon kicked out and replaced with those who will do what they want.

In all, African leaders did not make a good situation bad. They made a bad situation worse.

How is Singapore different from Nigeria,
We got independence in 1960 from the British
They got independence in 1964 four years after Nigeria has tasted independence
This are two countries who got independence around the same time yet one has done better than the other.

You think Africa was the first continent to be colonised, before the Europeans came to Africa, Asia and the Americas were already under colonial rule

You also said good leaders were killed in Africa
Let's use Nigeria as a case study, which good Nigeria leader was killed By the West??

Like I said Nigerians should keep wailing colonialism others have left them behind.

Procashtips:
And what's wrong with that?

Do you think Sunak would make any big time decision in the UK without approvals from the royal house?

Like I said, you are living life on the surface.

Iran has chosen the system they want just as the US, UK and other chose theirs, how on earth is this an headache to you?

Is Iran asking you to convert to their system?

Who is actually going around the world trying to force others into practising their own system of government?

Who is actually democratic in the sense of it?

Abeg I get better things to do.

From pillar to post😂

Did I ask you to tell Iran to change their system of government
Just educating you and your other friend that there is nothing democratic about the system of government in Iran.

Different countries with different systems.

Am done
Have a nice day
Cheers.

Procashtips:
Does the British, Danish, Norwish, Swedish, etc people get to choose who becomes their king or queen?

Or the problem you have is because Iran calls their supreme leader and not king or queen?

Apart from Democrat and Republican, can the American people pick anyone else ?

Even within these 2, the owners of America decide who's selected from any of these 2 sides of a coin.

The problem you have is a shallow mentality on how the world operates.

You need to understand that virtually everything in the world system belong to the same plug, what differs is the name they're called.

Is the king of England the highest authority in England ??

A country with a monarch style of government is Jordan There is prime minister Bisher Khasawneh who is the prime minister of Jordan Then there is king Abdullah II bin Al-Hussein, In Jordan king abdullah is the highest authority in Jordan

Is like saying the emperor of Japan has more power than prime minister Fumio Kishida


Iran supreme leader is the highest authority in Iran and wasn't voted in by the people period


Lol

WHAT is the definition of DEMOCRACY

According to the Marian Webster
a
: government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Key word there is the people

When the ultimate power isn't vested in the people then it. isn't democracy
Iran dose not practice any f**king democracy because the power isn't vested in the people the supreme leader of Iran who is the highest authority in Iran wasn't voted Or elected by the people

Procashtips:
What exactly are you saying?

The Iranian people don't get to choose who becomes the supreme leader.

In fact they don't even get to choose WHO becomes president, because the candidates are impose on them.

Same as Putin has been impose on the Russian people.

usmanpogo:
I apologize for the abrupt interjection, we as Africans have no one to blame for our shortcomings but ourselves.
We can try to debate this all year long but at some point we'll have to agree we have no one else to blame but ourselves.

However, I'm of the opinion that you trying to downplay the word "colonialism" is one of the greatest disservice to our great continent. If the good people of Jewish decent can still talk about their ordeal or simply put " the Holocaust", I see no reason to downplay or whitewash the hardship our forebears went through.

Furthermore, to my bemusement, this subject matter was one way or the other absent in our school curriculums. To the best of my knowledge, it was barely spoken of or taught, I fear the coming generations would know nothing about these heinous act or the gravity of the subject ( that would explain your notion).

In conclusion, I urge you to retract your last paragraph, as it contains elements of revisionism. The British conquest in Nigeria and Africa as whole was despicable, the Jewish people didn't forget about the Holocaust, we as Africans need not forget.

Love your disposition on the subject matter,
I didn't say we should forget about "colonialism" and also support that most people don't know the exploitation Africa endure during the hay days of colonial rule.
And rightly should be enlighten on the things that happened in the past


But my issue is why after so many year's why will Africans especially Nigerians still putting the blame on colonialism,
For the underdevelopment, poverty, crisis on colonialism. No Africa country apart from south Sudan that isn't over 50 years as a independent sovereign state

The Jewish state endured the holocaust, has that stop isreal from developing into one of the most technological country in the middle East. has the second-largest number of startup companies in the world after the United States and the third-largest number of NASDAQ-listed companies after the U.S. and China

In conclusion do you know that Isreal even with the holocaust history, that after China, the USA, Germany is isreal biggest trading partner, so even though Isreal remember it's holocaust history, did that stop it from moving on and even having the same Germany as it's largest trading partner in Europe

Cheers

Procashtips:
I thought someone above claimed that Iran do not practise democracy or do elections?

Go and read my post, I said the supreme ruler
Don't be unfortunate

lanre316:
Those examples are too far away.

Look at Rwanda right here in Africa. If they had only been blaming Belgium and France for their 1994 genocide, they will be somehow justified. But they won't move forward.

But they didn't. They got to work immediately after the tragedy and today, Rwanda is regarded as the Singapore of Africa.

Excuses and blame games will never lift any nation forward.

If things continue as they are today for the next 100 years, Nigerians will still be blaming the West for their problems, while the nations who want to develop will keep reinventing themselves and developing themselves.

Rwanda is one of the major tourist destination In Africa,
You are 100% correct.

Cheers

Jovi10:
And they still went ahead to block our buying of weapons from South Africa......then same people who will not sell weapons to us to fight boko haram sponsored the bring back our girls championed by obamas wife? Typical USA.

I don't have a problem with what you said,
My problem is that you ascribed terrorism in Africa to the USA

And wrongly you also stated that the USA blocked weapons to the Nigeria military because of LGBTQ rights.

Fighttillvictory:
really different as one is known for perpetuating terrorist act on civilians and the other ready to fight any military to defend her sovereignty

Thank you sir for the reply.

Dayokunu1:
2 fools fighting themselves

Ok

Masterviolence:
For the past 20+ pages, I've been observing in full effectiveness the special ignoring operation, and it must continue until the desired result is accomplished.

Adios.

Ok

Watcharena:
did sadam invade vilnius before NATO attack him

Was it NATO that invaded Iraqi

Tonididdyx:
What kind of dumb conversation are you trying to start?
You made it sound like it was mere fantasy now you speak of prototype. Don't all Technological discoveries today start wit a prototype?

I don't want to insult you

All you wrote are just nonsense

I have screenshot what you wrote
You were asking why wasn't a parachute deployed yet??

How can you be asking for a parachute when there is no helo in the world currently in service with such capabilities.


Also the Iranian president had two escorts

WriteerNg:
No you cannot be angry.

You have no right to be. You're their zombie slave.

They are your gods. Either you continue licking their shit stained ass or STFU.

Says someone who sees Putin as his god

Masterviolence:
The u.s will not risk NYC or California for Vilnius.

Article 5 is for weak nations and not for Russia, if any Russia neighbors misbehave, the Russian military will be triggered.

Since NATO was formed has any NATO country ever attacked??

Invade Vilnius first then you will know if article 5 is for weak Nations.

Tonididdyx:
Yes I do.
Where do you have a problem with it?
Discuss

Name any helo using a parachute that is in service?

Only a prototype was develop,

Allthelight:
A prohamas fan admits iranian airforce is outdated.

Hoping more of you guys come out to admit to


Rip to the dead, i dont wish people to die

This is the same airforce that would likely go against the IDF in a war scenario.

Tonididdyx:
What's wrong with the talk kid?
The path I suggested a safety measure or the path these leaders prefer to spend billions on weapons but not on the safety of transportation?

Do you think it is practicable to put chute on helos?

Weekend chill's

dvkot:
our talk was about China and EV oga

Let's just chill

dvkot:
your brain has probably reached it limit and you have nothing else to say hence the lol

Am just tired going back and forth with you

You said Saudi Arabia will bring down the USA economy down, if they stopped selling oil with dollars

Do you even know how economies work
Saudis national and forgien reserves are In what Is it not in dollars
Do they only say sell crude,
Don't they import also??

If they don't sell crude in dollars
Which currency will they use in imports
Also if the USA dollars should lose even half of its value do you know the consequences it will have on stocks around THE world and the effects on countries economy

[quote author=dvkot post=130011423][/quote]Looooooioioool

dvkot:
Just like Huawei phones the BYD is under serious trade barriers which is of course affecting it EV sales, but that doesn't mean its not selling, they even introduced a cheaper model "seagull" at $10k which of course made the west panic and introduced a harsher trade barriers. It's quite sad that Africa is not a potential market yet for EV otherwise Tesla will not see their back.

So because China export more EV they hold 80% of the EV market...
So Saudi Arabia holds 80% of the oil market because they export and produce more oil than anyone

What trade barriers
This are two powers trying to protect their own companies
They both increase their trade tariffs were they feel there own product is being threatened
Do you know how much it will cost to clear general motor SUV in China??
Same way to clear a BYD car in the USA is almost half the actual price
Stop making it feel like only the USA imposes trade tariffs.

China economy will always be tied to the West,
Just take a careful look at it top ten trading partners then you will know that the West will always have a say on its markets
Until it can replace the markets there will always be trade barriers for its to deal with.. And sadly Russia cheap oil won't make the cut.

There is cheap labour and cheap labour
China labour will always be cheaper than India
More companies will always, manufacturer there.