0menka had been banned for flouting Rule 2. He was banned even before you created this thread.
So please let's try to be more understandable. Always use the mail mods/supermods feature rather than creating redundant threads without even verifying your claims/criticisms.
barcanista: Bros you still don't understand. This thing affects us in both ways. While it reduces our revenue, it also reduces what we spend on importation. As for revenue, the government put the benchmark of petrol at $75 per litre. However, it definitely affects our petrol import and Sir, it is funny how you don't see this.
As for the thread, your excuse is unacceptable!! This thread is supposed to be in Politics not. Foreign AffÀirs
Did you read the title of the thread?
"Hurray!! Drivers Jubilate As Fuel Prices Goes Two Year High. Thanks To Crude Drop and Subsidy Loss"
Which drivers are jubilating? It certainly ain't ours.
The current downward trend of our crude oil isn't sth Nigerians should be jubilating about. Maybe if the thread had read "Oh No!! Drivers Cry As Fuel Prices Goes Two Year High. Thanks To Crude Drop" then it might be moved to Business section
pendy79: Sorry I don't read idiotic posts, I asked a simple question, what made this thread eligible for transfer to the foreign affairs section? If you can't provide an answer then leave it. Ive since moved on. Educate yourself you need it more than I do. I gat little time for rubbish
Yimu
Bros, try to smile often. It helps . I've explained to Barcanista why the probable reason why the thread was moved.
barcanista: bros before I engage you, can you tell why the thread is in Foreign Affairs and not politics? This is unacceptable bros. Pendy79 or someone once made this prediction and now it has been justified
I wasn't the one who moved it. But whoever moved it, did it because the reduction in the international market should be a thing of jubilation for importing countries not exporting countries. And since Nigeria aint an importing country, this means this thread belong to the Foreign Affairs Section.
pendy79: Can't really comprehend the incoherent write up.you.put up here. "The price of crude oil in the international market won't affect the price of petrol in Nigeria"
How did you become a MOD on this forum if this is the way you reason? The imported petrol is refined from your pee or what? Are the importers buying at the rate they were few months ago.
If you lack comprehension about something why not just keep quiet rather than show ignorance. How can somebody in this modern age say crude oil price on the international market cannot determine the price of petrol in Nigeria. Is Nigeria on a planet on its own?
Seun what is your criteria for selecting people as MOD
I had wanted to ignore this post of yours cos it appears you can't make any argument without resorting to insults. But let me oblige you.
This crude oil that you are talking about, are we also producing them? The answer is obvious. Yes we produce them.
Now the next question is this. Do we produce them in large quantities that it would be large enough for local use and still there'd be much left for export? The answer yet again is obvious. Yes, it's large enough for export.
Now this leads us to the next question. Do we refine 100% of our crude oil meant for local consumption? The answer is an emphatic No.
Ok, now let's be more practical. Assuming a barrel of crude oil is $100 and the cost of refining it internationally was $40 (and cost of local refining be $10). Also assuming that we produce 10 million barrel per day but need a million for local consumption.
This means we can decide to sell just 9 million barrel of crude oil (revenue will be $900 million) and then refine the remaining one million barrel locally (expenditure will be $10 million). But since we don't refine locally we have no choice but to sell the whole 10 million barrel of crude oil (revenue $1 billion) and then import 1 million barrel of petrol. Whatever effect the international price had on the cost of importation of the petrol can be offsetted by the difference between $1 billion and $900 million (which is $100 million, I call it the cushioning money [I presume that's were our subsidy budget is calculated from]).
However, if the international price of crude oil drop from $100 then it means our revenue will dwindle and the cushioning money will dwindle. If anything, the reduction in international price of crude oil wld lead to an increase in fuel price over time. Not a decrease.
barcanista: bros This is a very simple economics. Let me explain..
If Crude Oil price is on the high side, the importers pay more due to the cost of production that have effect on the refined product. Oil Merchants are not charities, hence will want to recover cost and make profit. The government spend more on subsidy.
When the Crude oil price is on the low side, cost of production reduces, cost of refined product falls, importers pay less than what they used to and less the government spend on subsidy.
With the drop of global oil price, it is natural that the price of pump price of petrol fall in Nigeria is government is to maintain what it appropriated for subsidy or the government review what it spend on subsidy to reflect on current bills and use the leftovers to tackle capital project.
@ pendy79 thanks for the mention.
We are an oil producing country. We export crude oil to those countries that ultimately refines the product into petrol for onward sales to oil merchants. Did you factor it into the equation?
You say the decrease in crude oil will decrease the cost of production of petrol, I agree. But by what margin? The cost production of petrol is not directly proportional to the cost of crude oil. Rather it's partly proportional (cost of production∝cost of raw materials [crude oil] + cost of process [refining]). This is because we have to factor in other costs such as the cost of refining the said crude oil (the cost/price of refining crude oil didn't drop, it's the price of crude oil that did.)
The reduction in the international price of crude oil doesn't affect us positively because we are exporters of the product. Rather the reduction affect us negatively. Our revenue has dropped. This means that the budget for subsidy will be affected. If anything, the price of petrol might increase if this trend continues.
P.S. If our downstream and upstream sector had been fully deregulated and subsidy removed then it would have been a different story.
pendy79: Hold your breathe though the price drop is in the STATES and not Naija. Why do we still have pump price of petrol at N97 per litre if crude is going at the lowest in 4years.
Importers are getting at reduced prices hence the differential should be felt by the populace. Where is the Labour Congress, civil society groups, Human rights activists something isn't right in Nigeria. Across Europe and America fuel prices are dropping yet it is stagnant and remained same price when crude was going for $145/barrel now it is $74/barrel why are nigerians still paying same rate.
Government should tell us where the subsidy claim budget will be used for since crude price differential is now consumed by the current prices.
Where are the opposition in Nigeria? Crude prices are down, cost of buying the product is down too so why are Nigerians still paying N97. Nigerians were made to pay more when crude prices when up, now it is down to its lowest in years then the price of petrol should drop.
MODs seun ngwakwe obinoscopy mynd44 help move this thread so awareness can get to Nigerians to demand a cut in price for pump price of petrol and diesel.
Bros Nigeria is an oil producing country. The price of crude oil in the international market wouldn't affect the cost price of petrol in Nigeria (we've never paid a dime for crude oil product, why should we, when we produce it?). Rather what would affect the cost price of petrol in Nigeria is the cost of refining crude oil in the international market.
So it means this your criticism doesn't hold water. A true economist knows that it doesn't hold water .
omenka: Ps: Have been rather laid back after return from my ban. Since Seun deems it inappropriate for anyone to have a contrary opinion from his, I imagine how irrelevant it is staying active on this forum.
You weren't banned by Seun. You were banned by a moderator in the politics section for insulting a fellow nairalander.
You can politicise anything you like but the last thing we would ever tolerate here on the forum is you politicising your ban.
BTW, this is your first ban since 2008. This goes to show that with the exception of the recent ban, you're a law abiding nler. Welldone .
barcanista: it is surprising how you Jonathanians and TAN warlords concern yourself with Muhammadu Buhari's candidacy more than that of Jonathan. The same Ngige that you rejected in Anambra? The same Fashola that you accuse of looting Lagos or the same Oshiomole that you murder? It is very evident that the PDP and her apologist like you is bent on not seeing GMB on the ballot next year. Let me assure you that a President Buhari will takeover affairs of the State Next May.
Tambuwal nko? And what makes u think I'm a saTANist TAN warlord?
Zikkie, be strong for Dad. He will get better. We need to look for another hospital to attend to him. These incessant strikes sef, our health workers and the government are very self-centred and callous. I pray the strike ends soon.
@Candygosh dear, you are not alone. Our hearts are with you. Be strong my dear. We love you....always have.....always will.
xcelsia: Hahahahahahaha omg nairaland will not kill me I swear!!!!!! You asked us to give you ponmo to eat and now you're saying don't eat ponmo, too late we can't stop please lol
Yes o, I agree with you jare. We can't stop eating our precious shoe ponmo.
WhiteTyre: The results from recent analysis is as follows: For a 40g mass of ponmo, there are 0g of carbohydrate, protein, iron, sodium, 4g of total fat. So, scientifically, the only nutient in ponmo is fat, 'bad' fat, mostly. It will also give you some carcinogenic agents, due to it's mode of preparation. Therefore, ponmo consumption is only tasty, not nutritious. Stop eating ponmo. Eaters of ponmo may as well eat shoes. Next month, God willing, I will be giving you guys further results on the ongoing critical analysis, when it is ready and approved. Thank you all.
Okay o, we haf hear. So u mean say na shoe wey I don dey chow since? Chai!
This is a welcomed development. We want the present generation to be active in leadership, the old generation has expired. The Nigerian Youths are obviously in the majority. 2015 would be very interesting.
Odunharry: pink tshirtchaii i dislike pink ehn abt going out on d 2nd saturday,let see how it goes.....i am looking at d 3rd saturday when almost evryone will be free 4m work/school..
Cinema is a nice idea,thinking of d ikeja shopping mall,beach or whispering palm resort at badagry...we need more suggestion pals..
I just hope i am available on that Day
You have to be available o or else.......lol
Maybe we can shift it to 3rd Saturday if it's okay by other members of the family. We all have to be there for each other.
As regards the pink colour. Bros, we just have to manage am like that.....lol. I know say guys no too like pink. But pink is a symbolic colour in the fight against cancer.