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The man just messed himself up. He portrayed himself as being sincere and honourable, but ended up getting himself embarrassed. For me, I see Wike as being more straightforward than this chameleon.
At least Wike denied being Igbo without micing words. I remembered when Abaribe confronted him and told him that he wasn't Igbo, the man went on national TV to start shouting that he's Igbo and that nobody should deny him of his heritage. Today, he said he was claiming Igbo for political reasons. What a two faced man!!!

Raf4:
While your people keep begin and prostrating for Ikwerre son to please accept to be your tribe leader, just to force your identity on them. Very strange and embarrassing!

Nobody begged Ikwerre to accept the Ohaneze leadership. It was only zone to Rivers State. Ikwerre are not the only indigenous Igbos in the State. For your information, Ikwerre contestants during the build up were not formidable enough.The most favourite candidate was not from Ikwerre (Mike Okiro). But the Ikwerre people used court injunction to pull him out of the race under the excuse that he is from Imo State. When they discover that they will lose, they quickly brought in Mbata who joined the race at the dying minute.

So, who is desperate? For me, it is the Ikwerre who used all manner of tricks to pull non Ikwerres out of the race. Let Mbata resign today and immediately another Igbo man from Rivers State will take up the mantle.

Kreesxxx:
There is a thing you Igbo expansionist are not getting in this whole argument. The ikwerres are saying that from Adam they have got nothing to do with you people. There is no igbo history telling you people about the relationship Igbos have with the ikwerres. We met by chance and we came to realise that we share some similarities. Instead of you to say we are brothers the next thing came up with that I am you. Would you accept that if Ikwerres had got the numbers you have? Even the Etche close to us we haven't claimed them. Althoff Etche claims to be related to the Ikwerres but the same we tell Igbos we don't have connections with them that is also what we tell the Etches. Good enough they recognise this. We might be related perhaps as people having common ancestry. Ikwerres see Igbo as an ethnic group just as they see themselves as an ethnic group. They can never give up their ethnicity to accept yours.
Let me also throw light on those Ikwerres who are members of Ohaneze. Some of them are truly Igbos by ancestry. In those those their forebears were brought in as slaves. Till today the stigma is still there. They are never made the head of the family due to this stigma. The people who have this stigma are those who have no issues identifying with being Igbo. They are truly Igbos by blood.

There are many ethic groups found in Niger Delta Area of 'Nigeria. Is it only the Igbo that were brought as 'slaves' in your land? What about other people, were there fully integrated as full Ikwerre 's except the 'Igbo slaves'? Igbo do not have single history, that you know. Some said they came from Israel. Some claim Benin migration, Akwa- Cross etc. By providence, they see themselves as one people today. It may also be true that providence brought Ikwerre to meet with other Bia people.

You said those Ikwerres who belongs to Ohaneze are truly Igbos, therefore there is no qualms electing then to head the organisation. That's fine. But why is Ogbako Ikwerre threatening them? Don't they have right to express their Ignoness?

My Brother (hope you're happy now), Igbo are not expansionist as you wrongly claim. The Nigerian system is what is forcing them to embrace their brothers at least within the Nigerian enclave. You know, by nature the Bia people are individualistic people each minding his business and perhaps his clans or community. Baring the Nigerian system, I can tell you that each group will just allow the others to do their thing . You know it was like that in the past, until the consciousness to unite came due to Nigerian factor. Even if you accept to be Igbo today, tell me will a man from Owerri or Edda come to your place and become your chief or rule you. You know that is not possible. Or will the man from Ohafia come to your place to dictate for you on how to live your life or start exploiting your resources for himself? Will your acceptance bring food to the other Igbo clans? If the answer to the above questions is no, where then is the expansion you are talking about?

That Igbos want each group to relate or see themselves as brothers, is that what you called expansion? Even among brothers, some have large families and richer than others. But they relate peacefully without interfering on each others privacy or resources. Each continue to work hard to better his lot and that of his family. When the need arise, they work together to face a common enemy.

Gajagojo:
Language is not what makes a people

People may speak a common language as lingua franca for all kinds of reasons e.g English , Arabic , Swahili, Spanish, Hausa. It does not mean they are the same
Your first error

Ikwerre is not a dialect of Igbo. Your second error

This has been an established fact FOR decades

Many of you do not know the origin of the word Igboid

It does not refer to a people but a family of languages repeated languages not dialects of which Igbo is one and has the greatest population hence the word Igboid

Ikwerre is a member of the Igboid family of languages

Just like Latin Spanish , Italian, Portuguese belong to the same family and share many similarities but none is a dialect of the other


You make your assertions out of emotions rather than facts, knowledge or research

Take 15 minutes to research what you have just read here

The foremost authority on Igboid languages is a lady called K Williamson who wrote the Igbo dictionary

STOP making ignorant claims

Real Igbos are those who WANT to be Igbos

Language alone does not make a people. Yes, I agreed. In my submission you referred to, each group that make up the Igbo nation today have their unique dialect and way of life, just as siblings behave differently. Interestingly, other things that bind them together like name, culture, deity, market days are all present in Ikwerre land. What do you have to say about that?

You said Ikwerre is 'Igboid' and not 'Igbo' You are right. Who then is 'Igbo' among the various groups? Asides Ikwerre, which other group(s) are classified as 'Igboid'?

In the language classification you referred to, other Nigerian groups are also classified. Eg. Urhobo, Isoko etc are classified as Edoid,even with their unique differences, but you won't see them vehemently attacking the grouping the way the Ikwerre attacks the Igbo. They even agreed to be one people.

The average Igbo is not too keen as to whether Ikwerre is Igbo or not. The issue here is Emeka seeing another man bearing Emeka his neighbour. When they speak, they understands each other clearly, practice the same culture, worship in the same way and eat the same food. Only for one of the Emeka to turn round and accused the other Emeka of trying to force him to become his brother. But in the eyes of other people, these people are viewed as same people. Here lies the issue!!!

Kreesxxx:
Don't group Ikwerres among Igbos. There are people called Igbos. We know them in Ikwerre land. If you want to call Bia people and you added Ikwerre well to some extent it might be overlooked. Let me also reveal to you that not all Ikwerre people use Bia some use Va. So where do you place these ones? Right from time we have always known who the Igbos are. So no matter the colouration given to it with our last blood we will reject it.

My question was specific: Among the groups mentioned or not mentioned, which exactly is the Igbo you referred to? The general Igbo language spoken in all these areas was only adopted, but not their main dialects, and each have it's unique ways of life. All the groups don't behave alike, same way siblings behave differently. Interestingly, asides language, every other things that bind all these groups together like culture, name, deity, market days, food are all found in Ikwerre land. So, if any of the group came up tomorrow and said, they are not Igbo, automatically, they aren't Igbo anymore?
By your logic, should we remove the term' 'Igbo or Bia' for 'Igboid people' so it can be accepted to you?

If Ikwerre land had no boundary whatsoever with other Igbo groups, perhaps your argument would have made a lot sens, but it does and almost interwoven..How come, your forbearers from the whole wide-world chose to come close to the same people if indeed you have no relationship in anyway? Many questions begging for answers.

If you go to Abia State especially in Ohafia LG, some clans speak the ekoi dialect found in Cross River State. The people still recognise that those people are not Igbo, and are not forced to be Igbo, even though they are encircled by Igbo communities.

What am saying, the average Igbo is not too keen as to whether Ikwerre is Igbo or not. However, the problem here is Emeka or Chijioke meeting someone bearing Emeka or Chijioke his neighbour. When they speak, they understands each other clearly. Only for one of the Emeka to turn round and accused the other of trying to force him to become his brother. Here lies the issue.

Kreesxxx:
Listen to me and this will help out the relationship between Igbos and other Igbo related tribes. Igbos people do not want to recognise the difference between those who are Igbos and those who are igboid. Ikwerre is an igboid tribe. It looks like Igbo from afar but when you come closer it gets clearer that they are not exactly Igbo. I am Ikwerre and with the segregation I see in my home there is no way I could have been Igbo.
There are roles you don't play in Ikwerre traditional setting if there is an Igbo blood in your ancestry. If you know any ikwerre ask. Even when some persons die their graves are usually dug differently if there was no Igbo blood in their ancestry.
What I think Igbo think-tank this time should do is to form a Union of Igbos and Igbo related people. I am Igboid. From afar I look like Igbo but a closer look shows I am not. Igbos tried to annex ikwerre before and during the war it was a failed project and one of the reasons they failed in the war. It didn't happen then when Igbos were in charge of governance in eastern Nigeria and Nigeria as a whole it won't happen now.

I like your view point. However, I'll want ask you: who really is Igbo? Every group in Igbo land e.g. Ngwa, Nsukka,Enuani, Ika, Ukwani Owerri, Aro, Ohafia,Edda, Ikwerre, Omambala, Nri etc, all look Igbo from afar, but on closer look are distinct with their unique dialect, and way of life. But are simply united with a common language called Igbo. That is why they are called BIA speaking people. So, who then is this Igbo you are referring to?

Also, these groups mentioned do not all trace their ancestors from one source. Some groups even in the SE will tell you that their ancestors migrated from Benin as Ikwerre also claimed, yet they have embraced the Igbo tag without qualms. So, who then is this real Igbo you keep referring to?

adolfHitler1934:
Ask them o.

This is Igbo agenda. A deliberate act by the proponents of thier Biafra to get hold of the Ikwerre ethnic nationality and subjugate, and overrun their land and finally get access to the Sea. That is the grand plan.
First, they orchestrated the "Rivers Ohaneze" presidency to see how it goes.
This people are very cunning and foolishly smart as they see themselves.

Except the Ijaws counter them, they will succeed because the Ikwerres are busy doing politics in the state and center, a big distraction.

The way some of you sound is so pathetic. A social cultural organisation want to elect their leader, you were not invited to make an input, but have taken it upon yourself to tell them who to choose and who not. If they decide to choose a Man from China, it's none of your business. Amaechi is an Igbo man. If he is in interested in the position, what's your own headache? An Igbo man from Rivers State will emerge as Ohaneze PG come next year ( Amaechi or not). We are waiting to see you all cry the more....

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chrisxxx:
The first group of igbos that cane into Ikwerre land caused all these. And it has taken long to heal as most of us see igbos as people that represent what they are not.

I have read where you accused Arochukwu people of mistreating Ikwerre people, as the cause of the animosity (whether real or imagined), but that was then. Now, have you made an investigation to find out how they treated other Igbo groups in the same Era. Others have moved on, your people should also move on.

The World is evolving at a fast rate. We must not continue to dwell in the past. And you wonder why meaningful development and peaceful coexistence is difficult in this part of our World. We should embrace new attitude honestly to move forward.

chrisxxx:
Please don't bring the igbos into ridicule.

You are not Igbo, so will it matter to you if they are ridiculed or even butched? Of course not. You will even help the enemies to achieve this.

For your information, Igbo I know do not care whether Ikwerre is Igbo or not, but what they can't understand is why people who 'seem' as their brother hate them so much. Until you make them understand you reasons for the hatred, then the conversation can begin...

chrisxxx:
Stupid man. Every Ikwerre man sees an Igbo person as a brother. Ikwerre people only disagree when you call them Igbos which they are not.

Please just stop. I know you are Ikwerre. After the elections, your hatred for Igbo will manifest for all to all to see. I listened to the clip by Amaechi, he is romancing the south east just for the elections, he doesn't believe they are his brothers. I only pity some Igbo who are falling for this gimmick.

chrisxxx:
Gents and Ladies! Listen well and get this settled.
Ikwerre is not Igbo just as Igbos are not Ikwerres. Just as Yorubas and Bini share some similarities that is same with Ikwerres and Igbos. I am Ikwerre and have done extensive research on this.
The same way igbos ha e different dialects is the same Ikwerres have. We dont speak the same dialect. We have over 10 dialects just as igbos.
Why do some Ikwerres claim to be Igbos?
Good question. The Arochukwu Confederacy had Ikwerre land under its influence. They are generally called Arnu people in Ikwerre land. They were mainly the Igbo people who maltreated the Ikwerres and made an average Ikwerre man to despise igbos. But liberation from the neocolonialism came during the civil war. At the fall of Biafra the Arnu people were targeted by some Ikwerre Communities that had hosted for years. This made them to abandon this area and headed towards Igbo mainland. Others were not attacked but out of fear of their past to their neighborhood absconded as well. However when some got to boundary communities like Isiokkpo and Elele some lenient Ikwerre men gave them refuge. This was so particularly as many of them didn't even know their home of origin in Igbo land. Among these communities that gave them land to stay they still see them as non indigenes. The Arnu descendants of these towns are the Ikwerres who make case that Ikwerre is Igbo. I have just revealed the findings of my investigation.
Amaechi might be a descendant of the Arnus. In that case he is an Ikwerre person as a result of his grandparents settlement and an Igbo man by ancestry..
Thanks.

Another concocted story after the Benin people deny you guys. Continue....

NnamdiAzikiwe:
Lol....see this one, make una dey try get small dignity as 3rd biggest tribe wey una be..... ameachi wey be sey him people no wan hear igboman but because na politics guyman wan use una head break coconut, he come dey call himself Igbo.

In as much I"m not for or against Amaechi identifying with his Igbo ancestry, you are not making sense in your submission. If oil politics caused some Ikwerre to deny their Igbo heritage, perhaps, power politics would cause some to embrace their Igbo heritage. Afterall, for those who embrace and deny their Igbo heritage, politics is the underlying factor....In the real sense of it, the Ikwerre people are Igbo notwithstanding denies by some.

Tersue:
I pity jehoval witness members ooos,in the end their pastors the snick the go hospitals for medical check up and treatment.Althoug,we most die.But most of the dead from jehoval witness,God no the noam.Toh.

Although you must die, and your death will be 'normal' because you own your life and decide what will happen to you the next minute including how you will die. Very hilarious!!!!!!

So I ask you, which death can be termed normal death?

Death via sickness, accident, murder, old age etc. Beside, some people with all their money, best medical treatment still died.

For you this young lady's death is not normal because the alleged stories surrounding her death real or fabricated does suit your prejudiced mindset.

I really sympathize with her family for this death. While the details and circumstances surrounding her illness and eventual death is is not clear, however, criticizing her believe and religion based on what the OP put out here is not fair. As much as I know, accepting gifts/donation from individuals and organisations is a personal decision and have nothing to do with JW"s teaching.

However, if truly she rejected a donation as this report alleged, was a condition attached to it? Is there even a proof of such alleged donation or was this brought in just to create sensation. Please let us learn to criticize wisely.

kettykin:
no body is rushing south west, people only use Lagos facilities like the Ports , and the Bank headquarters and the consulate houses

Also, they mischievously talk about the number of people coming into Lagos daily from the East mainly for business purposes,but ignore the the number or more leaving still on a daily basis.

The buses that conveyed the entrants will definitely not go back empty. So when people talk about people coming to Lagos, they should be honest to broadcast the number leaving as well.

Sufferingboy:
Rotimi ameachi at work,2023 is between

APC.....AMEACHI
PDP......OKOWA

Who invited you here this IKA man. Can't you face your IKA issues? The topic is about Ohaneze N'digbo and not IKA Association. Learn to be on your lane....

NGpatriot:
lmao...

Succeeded like how? The same oil and proceeds you are sharing with Kogi state.


We need Kogi people to start beating chest all over the place about how they succeeded too.

These low self esteem people beat chest of every pointless thing.

This one is really PAINED. Its written over him...

THEWRITERSMIND:
It's all about the Benjamins, even Jehovah's witness people don double their hustle, they now collect money from members via https://donate.jw.org/

Las las all man go open church

Oga, just shut it if you don't have any thing to say and stop making a fool of yourself. Why bring JW into this matter. Please stick to topic and stop being stupid.

Nawaooo. So Kanu committed terrorist and not terrorism according to you. RIP English language....

louqas:
No
But he has committed terrorist crimes agianst Nigerians

If you people think Britain will chose kanu over Nigeria then you are even more daft than i imagine......if britain push too much you will know that its not only ipobs that know how to protest in embassies and petition all global bodies ......just that we will not be protesting at UK embassy but will occupy the place until they stop giving assistance to terrorists

Zooposki:
Did you ever think maybe you guys stole their language, culture, etc and renamed it Igbo. Moreover I thought you guys migrated from Israel.

Maybe it's the Ngwa people of Abia state who stole their language. What some of you fail to understand is that Igbo have many dialects. The central Igbo is the unifying language.

oyatz:
If Nigeria is to disintegrate, you Biafran ethusiasts wrongly assume that ANY land (from Benue, Kogi to Delta, Rivers to parts of Edo State) that want or lay claim to is automatically Biafra without thinking that some other people will contest the right of Biafra to these lands.


The first problem will be

1) Which territory constitute Biafra?
2) Do other Nigerians aggree that these territories are Biafra?
3) Who is Igbo, who is not Igbo and who determine who is Igbo?
4) Where does Igbo land begins and where does Edo, Ibiobio, Idoma, Igala lands begins?

Very dumb post. Try again......

helinues:
You may see it as harsh but that's just the blunt truth..

Enough of massaging some Igbo/Yoruba people's ego about this.

As long as Kwara state is still recognized as NC region in Nigeria law, those Yorubas living there are merely a resident in Kwara state... If they are proud of their Yorubaness, let them relocate to any of the SW states. The land was lost, end of discussion.

When Gowon, the evil genius dissolved the old Western and Eastern region, He deliberately caught out where the concentration of Igbos are in the new SS from the border line with SE states. If you look at it in extensions. Those are lost lands. End of discussion

Nobody is denying them of owing the lands , nobody is denying there are no indigenous Yorubas in Kwara, Indigenous Igbos in SS but the reality is, the place they now belong is no longer their region, it's someone's else.

Shut up, illiterate and Dumbo!!!. Always dabbling to issues that does not concern you....

[/s][s][quote author=oyatz [s][/s]post=91971507]Both sides have very valid points.


1)[Pro Igbos: they are basing their points on similarities of languages and culture.

2) Anti-Igbo: They are basing their points on their N[s][/s]ON- NRI ancestries.

Oga, please make your research next time before you write. Where have you read that ALL Igbo clans within and outside the SE are of NRI ancestry. Many Igbo clans from Abia come from Ibibio and Cross River groups. Some parts even claim the same Benin migration/origin.Yet, they are not less Igbo like those claiming NRI ancestry

sageb:
they never talk about igbos in benue rather they keep attaching themselves to us Niger deltans. And for that man that claim that we have an alliance with SE, he is just talking out of the fact that our son , GEJ won in their region during election.

Maybe the Igbo should henceforth disassociate themselves from anyone bearing Igbo name caught for crime, and label him/her as Ikwerre.In that way, the Ikwerre will be forced to change their names to sound like Bini. You cannot be Igbo when you commit crime and be Ikwerre when it come to oil politics.

chrisxxx:
We have used every means to explain to Ibos that we are not Ibos. They claimed that we denied our Ibo's identify after the war. This is not true. In 1963 at the height of Ibo's power in Nigeria, the Ikwerre people where in the Constitutional assembly to make a case for their unique identity. Yes agreed the Ikwerre spoken in Obio/Akpor LGA and more especially Port Harcourt LGA has a lot in common with Ibo's. This is not enough ground to declare them Ibos. If someone comes from Mars today he will declare us English because we all speak English Language. Over 30% of non indigenes in these LGAs are Ibos. There is an intermingling of people here.
Do you know that non Ibo speaker in Rivers State tend to learn Ibo Language before Ikwerre even in Ikwerre Land.
If you visit Ikwerre and Emuoha LGA and hear the version of Ikwerre spoken there you will not doubt their Benin identity.
You claim our language is Ibo because you have much population than us. What about if the reverse is the case?
We have a lot in common with the Ibos but truly we r not.

Abeg carry this una Ikwerre-Igbo Cork and Bull story go one side, make people discuss. Wetin bring Igbo into this matter now if Ikwerre no be Igbo.

You bear people name, speak their language, practice their culture and even share boundary, yet you dey claim say you dey different. You dey shame to to have your own separate language, name and culture?

Na only Ikwerre be the minority wey live close to Igbo? Why other people no forget their name, language and culture? Una fit come from anywhere, after all, everybody come from somewhere, but make una go form una own language, culture and names and stop this attachee una dey do to Igbo.

If you dey use your English name to prove say you from England, then your Igbo name also show sey you are Igbo. After all, you are confused!!!!!!

Top1gun:
See how this one is de hyperventilate like clown

Super bigot... You"ve been noticed. You can now craw back to where you came from.

[quote author=Kinematics post=90517788][/quote]Chino slave!!!!!!!
I'll call Chino aka PortHarcourt1st for you and you'll vamoose from this thread.

Cc:PortHarcourt1st

MinorityOpinion:
Apart from my gentle comments (you will never see a foul comment by me)

1. I've nvr abuse any ibos apart from Kanu
2. I've not called any ibo names even when one of them called me a bastard twice
3. What I post here are the truth, there are not insult
4. I don't hate ibos, sometimes I do taunt (I'm coming clean here) but most time I get angry at their obvious lies
5. I hate that ibos are supporting Kanu insult of other tribes

This particular thread have nothing to do with KANU/IPOB. The article was not written by Igbo man either. As usual, you have turned it into Igbo bashing thread under the banner of SS. No body will stop you from wearing tribalism and bigotry like garment or chewing it like Akara perhaps your life depends on it. But stop using SS as cover when you're called out. Be warned......

MinorityOpinion:
I don't no wat ure talking about, I'm from south south

Oga you are not from the SS. However, if truly you are from SS, I"m miffed that no body from SS have cautioned you for using the name of SS to foment troubles. You're always seen in Igbo related threads invited and unprovoked, cursing and disparaging.When the Igbo engage you now, the so-called "We SS" would suddenly appear to rant as usual. No one will caution you now for using the name of the GPZ to invite negative talks for the region. Be warned....

Maduawuchukwu:
But you IPOB members gave them an excuse to justify it. You have dragged the Igbo nation to the mud by behaving like directionless children who lack reason. Why do you keep attaching the Igbo nation to people who say they do not want you? Is that not akin to rape or forceful marriage?

Oga, when I made my post, I knew in advance that people like you will tag me as IPOB member.
I'm not moved, you can call me anything you like, after all this is a faceless forum.

Now, tell me how many people in the streets of other Nigerian cities even in SS are aware of anything call IPOB or their activities outside your SE.But I can tell you that there is a strong anti-Igbo sentiment in many of these areas. That is the root cause of your problem. Until you fight to eradicate it, you are just chasing shadow.

Like I said in my previous post, IPOB or no IPOB, the insult will not abate until the root cause is removed. This can be done by proving to other Nigerian that what they thought of you is not what you are.

Visit these areas and see how your brothers are suffering discrimination by people who have not heard anything called IPOB.