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@OP. You either did not read that letter or you have some comprehension issues. I advice you drop that ill attitude of yours and be objective for once. It won't kill you. Just give it a try.
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Hia! Where I dey since for this NL? Babymama, I am sending prayers your way now. You will be totally fine post OP. All tissues will find their rightful places to align in Jesus' name. Biko, what kinda surgery did you get? |
armadeo: The cap fits the DR.Joker! |
Ya muan! I and I liking all ofit muan |
@op. Defined what you mean by body tissue. |
I had fought myself to open the thread as I thought it won't be worth it. Boy! Thank God I did open it. It was worth my every second spent reading it. As a matter of fact, I am following the OP on NL right away. Thanks OP for pulling my lips side ways. Kudos!! |
Jummymine: the poster is a joker. i do not know whether he has ever been in within the four walls of a hospital.It's quite disheartening to see that NMA is resolving to do the exact they have accused JOHESU of. I mean, for crying out loud, NMA should be flooded with individuals of high prestigious intellect who should save their faces from belittling their proclaimed "almighty and high" (yes! All mighty and high cos there are not currently leaving up to expectations). I am no saint, but I never begrudged an immobile patient's request to pick up their lip balm, dial a phone, or scratch their back or baby toe. I learned early in my practice that all of us take turns being patients if we are lucky- if we are not so lucky, we die a very sudden death. I am not a religious person, but I believe that we humans Must do for each other as we would want for ourselves. |
[quote author=Jummymine]the poster is a It's quite disheartening to see that NMA is resolving to do the exact they have accused JOHESU of. I mean, for crying out loud, NMA should be flooded with individuals of high prestigious intellect who should save their faces from belittling their proclaimed "almighty and high" (yes! All mighty and high cos there are not currently leaving up to expectations). I am nisaint, but I never begrudged an immobile patient's request to pick up their lip balm, dial a phone, or scratch their back or baby toe. I learned early in my practice that all of us take turns being patients if we are lucky- if we are not so lucky, we die a very sudden death. I am not a religious person, but I believe that we humans Must do for each other as we would want for ourselves. |
Thanks to the author of this write up. This is the the and only piece I have read from a Dr without name calling and insults. It is for a few of your likes that some still hold our Nigerian doctors in high esteem. |
jpphilips: I really didn't want to over flog this issue, let us be clear, the Doctors did not stop you from advancing your studies, I have read their press release over and over, they only asked you to drop the title "consultant" because you don't own the patient, it is clear!Yet, you are a "patient". AGREED! Haha |
ireneidiva: Only one woman?E too much for saving your home? |
drstone1: For you know d grace of our Lord Jesus, that for YOUR sakes, he became poor that you might be Rich. He became a curse so that d BLESSing of Abraham might come on you. For God greatly delights in d prosperity of his servant.Hia!! Trust me, I have no single idea as to why you have to quote me. |
chamboy: Bro u stupidDefine your "silly" Bro. |
............12 Points for Wives to Note......... 1. The wife that wins all arguments with her husband is not wise. The home is not a law court. 2. The wife that uses sex as a weapon in the home - placing embargo, going to bed in jeans shorts and trousers - lacks wisdom. 3. The wife that uses the modern trends and laws of "women's rights" to insult or ridicule her husband simply makes a fool of herself. 4. A woman that makes her home devoid of peace through bickering, nagging and quarrels needs help. A man should be eager to run away from office to be at home, for that should be the safest and coziest place on earth for him. 5. Modern-day equality in marriage does not mean competition. It simply means partnership. Taking advantage of such equality to turn around and become the de facto head of the home and oppress the man is tantamount to playing with fire. If you destroy your home, soon you will be the boss of an empty home. 6. A wise wife makes the man feel so good that he assumes that he is the head. Once he gets that feeling, the woman gently wields her power and the head actually turns to wherever the neck wants without a protest. 7. A wife that does not pull herself away from friends' influence and advice or even from the control of her mother and father will have herself to blame. 8. When a man is looking for a wife, he bypasses women of different shapes and sizes to choose a wife. But soon after childbirth, many women hide under the excuse of childbirth to let go of themselves. Many stop bothering about their looks, shape, dressing, etc. Within 5 years of marriage, people start wondering if the wife is the man's aunt, even though she is 7 years younger. Her defence is that if he truly loves her, he should love her the way she is. But when looking for a wife, he saw people like the present YOU and ignored them and settled for the former YOU. Today, you go to bed smelling of onions and ogiri. You go to bed wearing grandmothers' clothes. Why are you playing with your marriage? Love is not about looks - we know. But looks enhance love and marriage. There is a difference between someone disfiguring herself and the person being disfigured by an accident. Please don't be complacent. As hard as it may be, work on looking like you were when he first saw you and began the chase. 9. If every night you are tired, sleepy, sore, down with headache or fever, "not in the mood," you are a joker, a serious comedian!!!!!!!!!!! 10. If your children suddenly become more important to you than your husband, you need prayers. 11. If you assume that as the woman, only you need to be pampered and fussed over while the man is a stone that has no emotions, you need to be pitied. 12. A woman that has the mind of a wife does not excite her husband. Wives are usually complacent and presumptuous. A wife must strive to have the mind of a girlfriend. A girlfriend is always nicer, sweeter, more loving and always thinking of ways to wow her sweetheart; a girlfriend does not try to win all arguments, does not call the man a "useless man", is not careless about her looks or dressing, always smiles and laughs with the man, sends the man sweet messages and calls, etc. Are you your husband's girlfriend in word and in deed?. |
jhydebaba: Jesus pay titheWas there any record of Jesus taking his bath? No? Why do you still bath? Was there any record of tithe been questioned in His time? |
heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses knowIgnorance at its highest peak. Go borrow a curriculum of a BNSc student and get better informed. Your attempt at rubbishing other professional careers not MBBS shows how myopic you are. I can bet you are most likely a student cos your response to this article shows grave indiscipline which a well trained Doc knows better to handle. |
NMA STRIKE, THE NURSES' PERSPECTIVE. Let the comments pour... Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr. Historically, the first documented envy-ridden feud between Nurses and Doctors was during the Crimean War (1853-1856), when Florence Nightingale was commissioned to go to Scutari barracks in order to join military doctor...s to combat the high mortality rate in the military hospitals. The doctors, feeling threatened, resisted the help of Nightingale and her Nurses until they became overwhelmed with casualties and succumbed to reality. This pattern of doctors being threatened by the educated and empowered Nurse has continued to plague the working relationship in the healthcare system till today. I am therefore not surprised as the current situation is not peculiar to Nigeria. The war between Nurse Practitioners and Doctors is still on even in the country with the supposedly most advanced nursing practice in the world, USA. However, it is being done using tact, legislative lobbying and empirical evidence. In Nigeria, professional civility and self respect has been thrown to the winds as some Nigerian doctors handle this situation in an appalling manner, using a combination of verbal brawl, comical assertions and frustrated rants. This betrays their characteristic ego-servicing claims of being the most knowledgeable member of the healthcare team. I have been silent about the ongoing row between Doctors and other health professionals since its beginning. While my colleagues and friends from other health professions have continued to spit fire and brimstone deriding the doctors, my social media walls have been squeaky clean, devoid of such tirades. This is not because of lack of professional patriotism or inability to lay the bricks of words to construct a towering harangue about the issue. But, due to many reasons – personal, interpersonal and professional, I have kept my cool and refused to give in to cheap ineffective social media rants. However, when someone like the author of this article publicly displays crass ignorance of the nursing profession through a charisma-laden, highly bombastic but grossly information-deficient and intellectually-flawed article like this; I feel forced to talk, better still, write. READ: Ayokunle Ayk Fowosire: NMA Strike: Consultant, My Foot! The incessant strikes in the health sector have rendered the system moribund over the years. The ongoing feud has further grounded the ailing system. This article is not meant to expatiate and justify the (absolutely justifiable!) position of nurses and other health professionals (that is reserved for another day), but to answer Mr Fowosire’s beautifully-written article, an A-rated effort in sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. As much as I am highly disconcerted and extremely irritated reading Mr Fowosire’s article, I will try not to walk the dishonourable path of name calling. Therefore, in order to answer his pathetic rants, I do not intend to join issues with him or stoop low to trade banters, but this article will address the misrepresentation of facts presented by the previous writer. On this background I can begin to address Mr Fowosire’s points. Firstly, the author’s effrontery to undermine the knowledge base of graduate nurses in basic medical science courses is a display of nescience. I still remembered that when I was in second year in the university, we attended the same lectures and wrote same exams for Reproductive and Digestive physiology and Neuroanatomy courses with third year physiology and Biochemistry students. Are doctors not being taught physiology and Biochemistry by graduate physiologists and Biochemists? Maybe a graduate nurse can now boast that s/he was taught in the same class with your teacher. Also in our third year, we were taught pathology with the same note used for part four Medical student. My transcript still says I scored 77% on the same Histo and chemical pathology MCQ given to part four Medical students. How did I know this? We used part four medical students’ past MCQ questions to prepare for exams. I will not forget to let you know that as a part 4 undergrad, I led Nursing department team to victory over senior part 6 medical students’ team in an interdepartmental debate on bothering national and international health issues; not to talk of the fact that we attended the same lectures with medical student colleagues during first year in the university and some of us clearly surpassed most of them in first year academic performance. And this is not as a result of ‘la cram la pour’ as you said, because the consistency I, specifically and many of my colleagues have shown in academic and intellectual performance over the years could not have come by that. In addition, this ironing of facts should not be misconstrued for vain ego aggrandisement but to let Mr Fowosire, many other doctors like him and the general public know that many Nurses (especially degree holders) did not do nursing because they are academically-impaired but because of their love for the profession and some because of the socio-political environment of securing admissions into University in Nigeria. The question of who should lead the healthcare team has also been a long-standing one. While many developed countries have undergone the health management structure-shift from vertically structured systems to a matrix structure, Mr Fowosire and many Nigerian doctors like him still live in the dark ages clamouring for ‘oga- omo ise’ relationship within the healthcare team. They want the Medical doctor to be even the director of Hospital security. This is inane absurdity. The National Health Service UK has been named as the best performing national health system in the world many times. The NHS and Hospitals in the UK are being managed by managers who are recruited through the NHS management trainee scheme. These trainees come from myriads of field, from geography to history, what matters in their recruitment is intelligence and ability to provide creative solutions to health system problems. These are recruited into the management cadre and grow through the ranks mastering the dynamics of the health system until reaching the highest managerial post of the hospitals and NHS trusts. Space will fail me to talk about the US, Canada, Sweden and so on. However, a six hours flight down south to Nigeria, we have the best medical professors and consultants wasting human resource by sitting down romanticising administration as CMDs, instead of taking care of the patients they claim to own. A predilection fuelled by the position-consciousness, power-hungry-proclivity, greed and corruption eating the fabrics of our society. It is on ‘debatable‘ record that the best ever Minister for Health in Nigeria in performance was an economist not a Medical Doctor, Prof Eyitayo Lambo. The reason for that is not surprising, it is just common sense. A simple google-oracle consultation will show all his achievements as the longest serving Minister for Health in Nigeria. I will like to highlight that majority of my colleagues in graduating class 2012, Master in Health Planning and Management, University of Maiduguri, were seasoned consultants in different medical and surgical speciality from all over Northern Nigeria. However, I finished in top three out of the over forty six members of the class. Therefore, if the CMD position is filled based on performance and best management knowledge, skill and expertise, why should I not be lined up for consideration for such alongside my classmate medical consultants? Nevertheless, going by the meaning of CMD (Chief Medical Director), the inherent nominalistic connotation in this position is the reason why the doctors have made the position their exclusive preserve; a domain they plan to extend to commissioner for health and Minister for health positions too. As a responsible professional, in my personal opinion (which many of my colleagues may differ with) it will be clearly unreasonable to make a nurse the chief medical director. Notwithstanding, my proposition has always been, ‘why do we need a CMD if we have a CMAC?’ Therefore, I think the name CMD should be ditched and changed to favour international best practices. I think something like Chief Executive Officer or Chief Operating Officer as used in developed world should be adopted. This de-clutters the name and removes any exclusive preserve that medical doctors may lay hold on. In trying to disparage and clarify Mr Fowosire’s embellished bombastic views of the superiority of the doctor over other health professionals, I mentioned my previous consultant classmates who I respect for their professional achievements in their field. I do not in any way use this to mean that I know what the consultants know about medicine, but I bet the consultants do not know what I know about nursing too. You do not compare grapes to mango. There is no basis for such. They are two different fruits. However, in your five-a-day dietary plan, you need to have both; one cannot replace another. On this premise, if the dictionary meaning of the term consultant, which has been selfishly usurped by doctors, is ‘a specialist’; then, why should a nurse, pharmacist or Laboratory Scientist not be called a consultant in their field if they have gathered enough knowledge, skill and pompetency to attain such specialised level. An expert who gives advice on business even if he has never managed one single start-up is called a business consultant. This is the case in many other professions and vocations. Why will doctors refuse to face their own effectiveness in their profession? Why are they trying so hard to bar other professions from progressing? The ludicrous height of Mr Fowosire’s display of crassude was the un- informed assertion that there are no male midwives in Nigeria. There is nothing like tradition in an Evidence-driven age and there is nothing like Midwifery being the exclusive domains of female nurses. I am a male midwife registered and licensed to practice by the Nursing and Midwifery Council of Nigeria. Male midwives have been produced and registered in Nigeriita since 2007 and I was one of the early set of male midwives to be registered in the country in 2009. I am proud to be who I am and I am striving to be the best at what I do. I only wonder where Mr Fowosire is undergoing his medical education if he is boldly casting such un-informed aspersion about Nigerian Nursing in 2014. Your stereotyped labelling of all male nurses as wanting to become a doctor can be forgiven as another symptom of your ‘hypo-exposure-induced myopia’. Furthermore, Mr Fowosire tried to lark about, tinkering with words. He used a comparison of ‘doctored’ and ‘nursed’ as a contextual basis to make an assertion that we live in a society clouded by vanity. What a comedy? What a good understanding of English language? Nevertheless, I will ask, ‘why do we nurse children and not doctor them?’ ‘Why do we nurse ambitions…?’ ‘Why do we nurse wounds and pain…?’ I guess ‘nurse’ is not a bad verb after all; but why does the verb- ‘doctor’ sound like someone falsified claims, adulterated the original and committed fraud. This is exactly what the doctors in Nigeria are currently doing raising unfounded propaganda and spreading intentional half-truths and falsified claims about the essence of the ambitions of the other health professionals, an archetype of fraud. Mr Fowosire, your fear and concern for the society and posterity in this issue is highly unnecessary and totally misplaced. Empirical evidence has it that Nurse-Led Units are making the difference in patient’s life in the developed world. In the UK, a Nurse led unit, Barking Community Hospital (Yes a nurse- led hospital) close by my apartment has MRI machine. How many Professor of Medicine-Led teaching hospitals in Nigeria have that? That is what you should be concerned about, the fact that our hospitals are ill-equipped for 21st century medical practice. What you should be getting concerned about is the fact that Community Health Extension Workers (CHEWs) are consulting at Paediatric Out-patient departments in State Owned supposed Specialist Hospitals in Nigeria. The fact that after government spend lots of money to train a doctor (common in Northern Nigeria) till he becomes a consultant in a rare speciality then he goes to sit in the office as a CMD while all the money spent and specialist knowledge gained wastes. What you should be concerned about is the jungle medicine still being practiced in Nigerian teaching hospitals and many other cases of malpractice and negligence (documented by Olatunji Ololade in the Nation of 5th April, 2008), where doctors spent one month diagnosing a brain tumour as a sinusitis problem. And, most of all you should be very concerned about the fact that, after spending nine years for a six years course, you still have your part six MBBS exams to write. Until you become a fully certified medical doctor, your contributions in this debate are rather unwelcomed. - Oladayo Afolabi is a trained Nurse-Midwife Researcher, Health Management Consultant and Idea Driver for MACHE initiative Nigeria. He is currently studying M.Sc. at London Metropolitan University on Dr. Muritala Muhammed Postgraduate Scholarship. Twitter handle @deeone6603 |
[quote author=Joel.]how can a mere software be accurate? I don't believe this. There are more to it.[/quote]You mean something like illuminati? |
On the JOHESU and NMA national strikes On wed July 1 all medical doctors proceeded on an indefinite strike and not too long ago medical lab scientists, nurses, physiotherapists, radiographers,health information officers, pharmacists etc had embarked on a nation-wide strike. All well and done. But come to think of it had it been patients ill health wouldn't have gone from bad to worse or even die these group of professionals in our hospitals would not be so confident to go on strike in order to get the listening hear of the govt. Yes because if we go to the hospital and there were no services ..we will go back home and do other things just like going to a football pitch and there no players to play the ball with.... you will definitely go back home and relax... NO SHAKING! But here we are....dependent on the knowledge and skills of health professionals to remain healthy which is crucial to the very existence of the human person on the earth plain....Bravo guys! You have gotten us just where it can hurt most.... Of course nobody can function in sickness... Yes o! We need them all health professionals be it medical doctors..nurses...physiotherap ists...Medical Lab scientists....P harmacists But looking at the way things are going..... One is tempted to imagine hospitals in Nigeria run without the medical doctors or at the other end hospitals ran by only medical doctors without any other of the health professionals.. Are these scenarios possible? Even in private health practices ran by these professionals, they don't work alone they employed other health professionals So why does it look like our hospitals will soon loss quality healthcare because whereby this disharmony continues whether we like it or not after the NMA strike ends with their demands met the other body JOHESU/ AHPA will surely embark on their own strike and so it will continue.... Whether we like it or not we cannot do without each of the health professional skills and knowledge he or she has acquired our years of specialised and structured training to become a nurse..medical doctor...medical lab scientist or a pharmacist...Ignoring or giving an unbalanced advantage of one over the other will definitely continue to create disharmony among them Permit me to say....is it not possible for the health professional bodies to meet amongst themselves.... iron out issues and present a common front to govt...I feel this approach would have attracted more sympathy to the health sector if at all the incessant strike is for the interest of the general health welfare of Nigerians The drum of war is becoming very loud in our hospitals..Very soon patients who ordinarily would have just needed a first aid by a nurse to checkmate his or her condition will be left to wait to see a doctor who may be too busy then or a doctor who comes to a ward and can't find a patient case note will not bother to look for it because the nurse was too busy or a pharmacist who has observe a patient with hyperpyrexia will not give the patient paracetamol except he sees a doctor.... all in our hospital.. We can't with this strikes way to win...I don't see a winner but for the Nigerian patient who remain the loser and after our NMA...JOHESU/AHPA strikes has gotten us the extra allowances and big salaries ...We as health processionals should at least be humane enough to kneel down and pray for the people that had died and spill their blood all over the hospitals in the 36 States so that we can take home the these largesse... May their soul continue to rest in Lord ...Amen |
COPIED On the JOHESU and NMA national strikes On wed July 1 all medical doctors proceeded on an indefinite strike and not too long ago medical lab scientists, nurses, physiotherapists, radiographers,health information officers, pharmacists etc had embarked on a nation-wide strike. All well and done. But come to think of it had it been patients ill health wouldn't have gone from bad to worse or even die these group of professionals in our hospitals would not be so confident to go on strike in order to get the listening hear of the govt. Yes because if we go to the hospital and there were no services ..we will go back home and do other things just like going to a football pitch and there no players to play the ball with.... you will definitely go back home and relax... NO SHAKING! But here we are....dependent on the knowledge and skills of health professionals to remain healthy which is crucial to the very existence of the human person on the earth plain....Bravo guys! You have gotten us just where it can hurt most.... Of course nobody can function in sickness... Yes o! We need them all health professionals be it medical doctors..nurses...physiotherap ists...Medical Lab scientists....P harmacists But looking at the way things are going..... One is tempted to imagine hospitals in Nigeria run without the medical doctors or at the other end hospitals ran by only medical doctors without any other of the health professionals.. Are these scenarios possible? Even in private health practices ran by these professionals, they don't work alone they employed other health professionals So why does it look like our hospitals will soon loss quality healthcare because whereby this disharmony continues whether we like it or not after the NMA strike ends with their demands met the other body JOHESU/ AHPA will surely embark on their own strike and so it will continue.... Whether we like it or not we cannot do without each of the health professional skills and knowledge he or she has acquired our years of specialised and structured training to become a nurse..medical doctor...medical lab scientist or a pharmacist...Ignoring or giving an unbalanced advantage of one over the other will definitely continue to create disharmony among them Permit me to say....is it not possible for the health professional bodies to meet amongst themselves.... iron out issues and present a common front to govt...I feel this approach would have attracted more sympathy to the health sector if at all the incessant strike is for the interest of the general health welfare of Nigerians The drum of war is becoming very loud in our hospitals..Very soon patients who ordinarily would have just needed a first aid by a nurse to checkmate his or her condition will be left to wait to see a doctor who may be too busy then or a doctor who comes to a ward and can't find a patient case note will not bother to look for it because the nurse was too busy or a pharmacist who has observe a patient with hyperpyrexia will not give the patient paracetamol except he sees a doctor.... all in our hospital.. We can't with this strikes way to win...I don't see a winner but for the Nigerian patient who remain the loser and after our NMA...JOHESU/AHPA strikes has gotten us the extra allowances and big salaries ...We as health processionals should at least be humane enough to kneel down and pray for the people that had died and spill their blood all over the hospitals in the 36 States so that we can take home the these largesse... May their soul continue to rest in Lord ...Amen |
On the JOHESU and NMA national strikes On wed July 1 all medical doctors proceeded on an indefinite strike and not too long ago medical lab scientists, nurses, physiotherapists, radiographers,health information officers, pharmacists etc had embarked on a nation-wide strike. All well and done. But come to think of it had it been patients ill health wouldn't have gone from bad to worse or even die these group of professionals in our hospitals would not be so confident to go on strike in order to get the listening hear of the govt. Yes because if we go to the hospital and there were no services ..we will go back home and do other things just like going to a football pitch and there no players to play the ball with.... you will definitely go back home and relax... NO SHAKING! But here we are....dependent on the knowledge and skills of health professionals to remain healthy which is crucial to the very existence of the human person on the earth plain....Bravo guys! You have gotten us just where it can hurt most.... Of course nobody can function in sickness... Yes o! We need them all health professionals be it medical doctors..nurses...physiotherap ists...Medical Lab scientists....P harmacists But looking at the way things are going..... One is tempted to imagine hospitals in Nigeria run without the medical doctors or at the other end hospitals ran by only medical doctors without any other of the health professionals.. Are these scenarios possible? Even in private health practices ran by these professionals, they don't work alone they employed other health professionals So why does it look like our hospitals will soon loss quality healthcare because whereby this disharmony continues whether we like it or not after the NMA strike ends with their demands met the other body JOHESU/ AHPA will surely embark on their own strike and so it will continue.... Whether we like it or not we cannot do without each of the health professional skills and knowledge he or she has acquired our years of specialised and structured training to become a nurse..medical doctor...medical lab scientist or a pharmacist...Ignoring or giving an unbalanced advantage of one over the other will definitely continue to create disharmony among them Permit me to say....is it not possible for the health professional bodies to meet amongst themselves.... iron out issues and present a common front to govt...I feel this approach would have attracted more sympathy to the health sector if at all the incessant strike is for the interest of the general health welfare of Nigerians The drum of war is becoming very loud in our hospitals..Very soon patients who ordinarily would have just needed a first aid by a nurse to checkmate his or her condition will be left to wait to see a doctor who may be too busy then or a doctor who comes to a ward and can't find a patient case note will not bother to look for it because the nurse was too busy or a pharmacist who has observe a patient with hyperpyrexia will not give the patient paracetamol except he sees a doctor.... all in our hospital.. We can't with this strikes way to win...I don't see a winner but for the Nigerian patient who remain the loser and after our NMA...JOHESU/AHPA strikes has gotten us the extra allowances and big salaries ...We as health processionals should at least be humane enough to kneel down and pray for the people that had died and spill their blood all over the hospitals in the 36 States so that we can take home the these largesse... May their soul continue to rest in Lord ...Amen |
Mondisweets: Please can I see the pant in questionU b judge? |
Nice! Got me laughing all the way |
tosinx: Op, What a sad way to use this voice you found. I just read the piece this morning. The entire writeup is baseless and biased and your grammar makes my skin crawl.Couldn't ve been said Any better. Nice closing |
otipoju: I am not a conspiracy theorist but anyone believing that its a toy is simply naïve.Wake up dude. Try google on what a quadcopter is and u will know berra. |
Popowaa: Are done making cash?Nah... buh can handle both adventure perfectly now... |
Kelly 32: Pls can i ask,if an unrepentant serial killer starts attending a church and stays unrepentant, what would be our response? or better still, if shekau as unrepentant as he is starts attending a church what would be your response? Not that I judge her, but I would like to know our honest response.It dose'nt matter for how long u go to church.... It only takes one day. Ask brother Paul of the new testament. Just one day..... |
kolawaxxy: that is a different case my brother. Sister cossy orjiakor is not ready to change her lifestyle.And u know so because....? |
Oooook! Can we drop the gayish, nagging and housewife talks already? I need a gal. I have never had one b4 and really wondering what amma really gonna do when I finally get. Hey! I am almost 30 Just before u start wondering how old I am. |
If no, then why are we paying tithe
and the necessary reqs to cross the hurdles, bravo then.