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I stopped when I was 5.

234GT: 18, when I reach adult.

LWKMD

The thing is that, traditionally, people have usually preferred male children over female children because a male child would continue the father's lineage and legacy.

However, that was in the days when women weren't as "equal" to men as they are today. Nowadays, most people don't mind anymore because women are as useful as men.

MacDaddy01: c) Careful with the drug lords
There are always students who come to uni to smoke weed and have fun. You can do those things but be careful of the drug lords and druggies. These people will still your money for drugs and will steal your textbooks because their money has gone for the exchange of drugs.

You can drug up occasionally but dont be a junkie

d) Condoms. You might not come out of uni a virgin

What kind of advice is this?

Nna, na wa oh.

The citizens of Anambra (and the East in general) are a very hardworking people who, although blessed with abundant natural resources, do not depend solely on their resources for sustenance. They are an industrious people who generate success by "the strength of their right hand" (aka aka ikenga).

My prayer is that this development does not in any way overshadow their strong and well-matured work ethic.

Resolved!

I believe the problem is that people are using these religions to achieve their personal aims and objectives.

The first to do this were the Europeans who first came with the bible and then with the gun. They used Christianity to win over people's hearts and then used it convince them that everything about them was inferior, outdated, and evil. The people, believing this, allowed the Europeans to "show them the light" and "lead them out of their dark ways" by allowing to dismantle their own governmental structures and imposing their own laws and codes on them.

If the white men had just brought Christianity and not attempted to use it as a way to colonize us, things would've been much better.

Just look at how it worked for the people of Axum [Ethiopia] (Africa's oldest Christian kingdom).

ocelot2006: Oh my....... the chimpanzee "strikes" back . Throughout the years before Nigeria handed over Bakassi peninsula, the contested region was firmly in the grip of the Nigerian military. Units from the Army's amphibious battalions and the NPF MOPOL were stationed there and controlled all supply lines towards that area (Akpabuyo). The Navy's Eastern Naval Command had total control of the waters surrounding the area, and NAF's Strike group stationed at Calabar International Airport could easily be called upon to provide combat air support (CAS). In summary, WE CONTROLLED THE "BATTLESPACE" FOR A VERY LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG PERIOD. So here's my question to the "wise" ONLYMUMU: WHERE THE HELL WHERE THE FRENCH THROUGH THAT PERIOD?!

Oh and yes, this isn't about the Nigerian military vs Biafra. 'cos if it were so, Ivory Coast wouldve been your permanent home .

What a douche..

What about what I asked you?

odumchi: Please, answer a few questions for me.

Are these masquerades Igbo, Ibibio, Annang, or Efik?

https://www.afrocubaweb.com/abakwa/Festival9.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2y12cyYcp-I/0.jpg

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6x5wi8y401qjh37to1_1280.jpg

And are these men Igbo, Ibibio, Annang, or Efik?

https://www.aro-okigbo.com/images/pic14.JPG

[img]http://imconnectedtoyou.files./2011/12/url21.jpg?w=414[/img]

[img]http://africa.si.edu/exhibits/inscribing/images/eduimages/ekpeLG.jpg[/img]

Ikomi: Does anyone know what a "peacock" the bird is called in Igbo?

Thank you.

Ikomus, ndaa kwan?

Echere m na Igbo ana akpokata 'peacock' na 'turkey' 'torotoro'. Kama aga m ajuta aha ya.

EzeUche, I understand what you mean.

The population figures provided by Wikipedia are very dubious.

I apologize for the inconvenience. The spambot mistook your post as spam.

Your post has been revealed.

What I still have yet to understand is why the Igbo speaking parts of Delta (Oshimilli, Ndokwa, Ika, Aniocha, Ukwuani, and Aboh) and Rivers (Ahoada, Obigbo, Port Harcourt, Egbema, Etche, and Ndoni) weren't included in "Biafra".

ocelot2006: Don't worry. Nairaland still stays. The Federal Republic of Nigeria is going no where.

Please, answer a few questions for me.

Are these masquerades Igbo, Ibibio, Annang, or Efik?

https://www.afrocubaweb.com/abakwa/Festival9.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2y12cyYcp-I/0.jpg

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6x5wi8y401qjh37to1_1280.jpg

And are these men Igbo, Ibibio, Annang, or Efik?

https://www.aro-okigbo.com/images/pic14.JPG

[img]http://imconnectedtoyou.files./2011/12/url21.jpg?w=414[/img]

[img]http://africa.si.edu/exhibits/inscribing/images/eduimages/ekpeLG.jpg[/img]

ifyalways: Achi ji Akpa amu ya gworo ogwu ego

LWKMD!!

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MsDarkSkin:

Anyway he killed it (did good).
Good job.

Ikr. Lol.

4llerbuntu: MCHEEW!!!

it soo easy to spot all these pple who dont stay in naija, YOU CALL THAT DANCING??


that chap was just making a fool of himself. the average 16 yr old on the streets of lagos will do much better justice to that track!!


na l'er gaou (premier gaou) na im d guy dey dance like mumu so? magic system? i don die. nansense and ingredients


girlfriend no be so dem dey dance makossa. way back when makossa was the in-thing in naija this cat would be laughed at and ridiculed.

take it from me, that aint dancing.

Lol. I no sabi dance wellu-wellu, but I dey try. Abeg, hope still dey for me?

Solozzo: If you believe traditions and culture cannot be changed then you must be the biggest fool on earth. Because these traditions were made by men and women like you, and you submit stupidly to them. You have no Christian spirit in you, for Christ challenged the traditional religion of his day with the words the laws of Moses were made for man , not man for the laws.

I have no problems with Christianity. In fact, I am a Christian - a Catholic for that matter.

What I have problems with is people being ignorant of their backgrounds and disposing of what their people have spent ages to develop in favor of everything European or Western.

Was it not the same man that created the various European marriage ceremonies that also created African marriage ceremonies? So why then should that of the Africans be considered inferior and unnecessary while the white man's is proper and required?

The thing that poses the largest threat to the cultural integrity of Africans is an inferiority complex.


And please, don't quote out-of-context scripture for me. Ndeewo. Thank you.

Kobojunkie: Please stop yapping of things you know nothing of!!

Look who is talking.

Theblessed: [b]Tell them that I said, they should also fix the family INHERITANCES for all children born in a marriage, in Igbo land - MALE and FEMALE, ok!

Because cultural injustices perpetrated on Igbo daughters, are too much and it's got to stop - it is evil!

Igbo daughters are dis-inherited from their own fathers wealth e.g land, properties, Ngwu i.e. Palm trees, Ngwo i.e. Tombo trees, kola trees from the moment they married etc, why?

Are we not our father daughters just like our brothers are his sons?

And why, should marriage deprive us of our 'Birth rights' when the sons themselves keep everything they inherited, and will go and bring a woman from another family to take over our inheritances, in the name of being married into the family?

It is unfair that we keep our inheritance - married or not!

I need my own inheritance to take to my husbands place to look after my children, just as my brothers are doing with theirs and I ask, what is wrong with that?

If its good for the goose, it is also good for the gander!

And for those who would argue, what would a woman do with land, properties, Palm, Tombo and Kola trees respectively?

I say, sell them all to the highest bidder and take the money to establish yourself at your husbands house, for the benefit of your children.

Their wives should also, do the same and bring their own inheritances to their husbands house to establish themselves for their children - that is fair!

For most Igbo daughters, the most painful thing is that, should your mother/father become ill, the brothers will abandon the responsibility on their sisters who are married away - yes, they don't want the responsibility but they want the rights.

Look, Rights and Responsibility goes hand in hand - you can't have one without the other.

Why call the sisters? Why can your wives whom our inheritances had been give to, care for our parents and leave us alone, to care for our parent in-laws where we are married to, why not?

It is fair that way!

Even some girls from well-to-do families, may fell in love with a poor man and married him and, that's the end of her inheritance. She will then begin a life of struggle, poverty and suffering with her children at her matrimonial home where as her brothers and their wives and children are all, swimming in luxury in her own father's house - how could that be right?

Now, you put up the above topic for discussion here please, go tell them to look into all these unfair ancient and obsolete laws and do something with them, in this 21st Century.

Igbo daughters, are not happy about these issues and are seriously discussing about them in their respective locations via all communication technologies - one day, they will hear from us, about these injustices - tell them!
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Nne, gaa zuo ike. Inyi amaa akpopu omenali Igbo isi ali.

byrron:
WHAT D 4UCK R U SAYING? IM IGBO AND A PROUD ONE FOR THAT MATTER. U CAN TALK ABT UR VILLA/HOMETOWN AND NOT ABOUT THE ENTIRE IGBOS. BRIDE PRICE FROM MY SIDE OF ABIA STATE IS VERY INFINITESIMAL MY DEAR.

THIS BRIDE PRICE ISSUE IS VERY RELATIVE AND DOES NOT APPLY IN ALL EASTERN STATES AND HOME TOWNS. THE STATE IN QUESTION IS IMO STATE AND NOT EVERY STATE.

I HAVE A FRIEND FROM AKWA IBON STATE THAT MARRIED A LADY FROM OBINZE IN IMO STATE 3MONTHS AGO AND THE BRIDES FATHER TOLD ALL IN ATTENDANCE DURING THEIR TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE THAT HE COLLECTED JUST 4K AS THE DAUGHTERS BRIDE PRICE JUST TO LET MY FRIEND KNOW THAT HE IS NOT SELLING HIS DAUGHTER RATHER HE WANTS MY FRIEND TO TAKE CARE OF HIS DAUGHTER JUST THE WAY HE HAS DONE.

THIS BRIDE PRICE ISSUE VARIES

WERE DID U GET THIS UR ABOMINATION THEORY FROM?

PLS, SPEAK FOR UR COMMUNITY MY DEAR

It seems like you don't even know what I was talking about. I was talking about people getting married without going through the traditional procedure/paying a bride price.

I wasn't discussing whether or not bride prices were expensive.

I am from Abia also, just to let you know.

Kobojunkie: Sorry, NO it is not based on my personal conviction. You are trying to make absolute statements for EVERYONE IBO, and I am saying you cannot do that because there are examples, at home and abroad of Ibos ignoring these so called traditions of yours and choosing for themselves a different path. You say it is abomination, I say so what . . . they ignored your rules and it means nothing to them that they did because your rules meant little much to them I suppose.

Stop bringing Europe and Pakistan into the discussion. We are talking of Nigerians here.

And great that it DEFINES you but you don't get to then IMPOSE that on everyone else. It fortunately is not in your power to do that. People have a right to choose as you have chosen, and so if they do not want what tradition has to offer, that is good too.

Let me first start by telling you that I'm not "Ibo". It's really irritating to see that you're purposely writing that even though you know it's not the correct spelling.

Secondly, all you're saying is a result of Western thinking.

Look at it this way...

Prior to Europeans, Africans married peacefully and respected their traditions. Young men labored determinedly to pay their wives' bride prices in order to prove themselves as capable of maintaining their households.

After the coming of Europeans, Africans say that their traditions are "evil and optional", however the superior traditions of the Europeans are necessary and have "enlightened us from our evil ways".

Those people that you mentioned will discover the consequences of their actions when they decide to come back to their communities (that is if they will ever return).

M na akwara umu Africa ibem akwa ariri maka bekee eduvuola wo uzo. I weep bitterly for my fellow Africans because the Europeans have led them astray.

Kobojunkie: I know what I have told you seems to go against what you have chosen to believe, but unfortunately dear, it is true. Tradition is optional and implemented whenever we chose to. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the west. I grew up watching so called traditionalists change their take on it year after and wondered if I was seeing things. One thing is for sure, it is fluid, and so changes with the times as we all see today that it is again about to.

I never said anything of the Ibo women living abroad. Please open your eyes. There are more and more Nigerians who are breaking away from the mentality you cling to there. They live amongst you right there in Nigeria. It has nothing to do with liberated thinking but more to do with realizing that tradition is not meant to enslave but there for those who choose to have it.

Reading your post, I cannot help but think you have this SACRED place you have built for tradition there in your mind. That is great and all but don't you SEE that not all persons hold that view you do?

I've realized that this whole argument is just based on your own personal convictions. It's people that have an inferiority complex that say such things.

I don't know why indigenous African ceremonies are now considered "optional" (to some) but European ones are a must.

Chai, bekee emeela anyi ihe. Europeans have done Africa dirty.

You're right. I have built a sacred place in my mind for my culture/tradition because it is what defines me.

bittyend: Our ancestors started using cowries and manilas in the 18th/19th century - and people got married way before that. Our culture(s) didn't start with arrival of the whiteman - we've been on this planet for more than 50,000years. So, we need to go back to our roots (950A.D is alright lol), and stop this greedy form of capitalism, we have polluted our culture(s) with..

TBH, modern day 'traditional marriage' is a sham and display of wealth (either borrowed or owned).. I don't know why we can't allow people to get married in peace without all the extras... In today's world, people need to be paid to get married - not sucking them dry because they want to get married...

Prior to the arrival of the Europeans, manillas were in wide use throughout West Africa. The names for manilla in Igbo are Okpogho and Ikpeghe; In Edo (I think) they are called Okpoho; in Efik, Okpogho.

Here's a picture of a 9th century Igbo manilla: http://ukpuru..com/2011/05/scabbard-and-other-igbo-ukwu-items.html?m=1

However, the widespread use of cowries was introduced by the Europeans.

If you can't marry an Igbo girl properly, then don't. It's not by force.

Ileke-IdI:
So you're saying the ability to pay bride price guarantees a prosperous future or a sustainable marriage?

This is what I got from your previous statement about making sure the man is financially secure.

I've yet to meet one person that can guarantee what tomorrow will bring. High unnecessary bride prices only increases the likelihood of a "Bought-Sold" relationship in such marriage.

I never said anything like this. Maybe you should re-analyze what I wrote.

Ileke-IdI:
From what I've been seeing on them list, ceremony has nothing to do with it. It's basically a list of what each people concerned will be given.

But correct me if I'm wrong. Post 3 lists from your community make we see am.

That's the essence of the ceremony; the blood of tradition. Embrace it or find your own way.

Besides if I may ask, why are you sweating over this issue? Or are you planning on marrying an Igbo wife?

Kobojunkie: um . . . wrong. Tradition is OPTIONAL and implemented whenever we choose to. That is how many of those who are able to switch traditions do so. It is not mandatory and does not rule your life or anyones.

And what you said about Ibo men handing over their daughters, that is a lie. I know of many women who have safely wed in various countries without needing to go through the traditional wiggle.

"um . . . wrong. Tradition is OPTIONAL and implemented whenever we choose to"

That's what you think; it's pure Western ideology. Not everyone thinks like this.

As for those Igbo women, that's exactly why they're living abroad and not in their communities. Such a thing is considered an abomination. However, that's what happens when the West teaches people that European wedding ceremonies are superior to African ones.

Oh well. Hooray for "liberated thinking".

bittyend: I'm not turning 'Igbo customs and traditions upside down' - I'm just advocating for a change that would make women have more self-respect, and enable the groom to 'respect' the bride. If we want to advocate for our culture(s) to be in its pure form - then we've to go back to the days when yam, kolanut, and farm products were used for bride price, not the millions of naira they're ripping people off nowadays... I definitely would pay with yam, palm oil, and kolanuts - since that was the REAL BRIDE PRICE when our ancestors were on this planet!!! The gods love yam, palm oil, palm wine, kolanut etc - not money!

The culture itself has been manipulated by greedy people - and it's either we take it back to the way our ancestors did their thing - or do away with it, period..

Let's take it back to our ancestors!!

Yams, kola nuts, and palm oil were never used as bride price payments. Bride prices were always in currency (whether cowries or manilas).

Those things that you listed are items that are required for the traditional marriage ceremony itself.

However, like I said earlier, I support he reduction of ridiculously high dowries.

Ileke-IdI:
Not 5 mil in cash, but 5 mil in what is required and some cash amounts are also required, no?

It depends on the type of ceremony that you want to do. If you want a high-end ceremony, then it will be expensive. If you want a quiet ceremony, it will be low.

The items that are required for he actual marriage ceremony are at the discretion of the male leaders of the extended family. The list is composed with the financial capability of the suitor in mind.