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Kobojunkie: I actually see what he is saying and agree with him. Tradition comes in when individuals want or need it to, and that is one thing I know for a fact.

It is possible to respect tradition but still opt out of the rules -- these rules were created by human beings and many of them have been lost for one reason or another.

Tradition governs life and is not implemented when we choose to accept it.

If the guy can't properly follow the marital procedures of that are attatched to an Igbo girl, then why try to marry her? He might as well go and find another ethnicity to marry from.

However, the only thing I am in support of is the reduction of the ridiculously high bride prices that are found in some areas. As for turning the entire Igbo marriage ceremony upside down, I'm not in support; let him go and marry from his people.

bittyend: I'm not married because a village Chief said so, huh? At end of the day, there's nothing they can do - as long as I don't go to Nigeria... Don't get it twisted, I love African culture(s) - but some aspects of our culture(s) don't belong in the 21st century..

Paying for a women = prostitution/pimping..

Let me put it this way, if I pay a woman to get married to me - that means she's automatically my SLAVE, because I own her... However, I don't want a slave as a wife, I want a best friend, a helper, and someone who has the same stake as I do in the marriage...

Saying I'm not 'married' because I didn't pay the bride price; is like a pastor telling me that without paying tithe(s), I'm stealing from God... Fvck that bs, does that God come down from heaven to collect tithes from churches? Hell NO!!!

These elders need to allow it, and let people get married, period.

You're being ignorant on this issue. No "village chief" will instruct you to do anything. If you want to marry an Igbo girl, then the marital traditions of her community must be respected and followed.

There is no Igbo man on this earth that would hand away his daughter to a man without undergoing the proper traditional marriage procedures.

When in Rome do as the Romans do; when in the Igbo country, do as the Igbo do. You can't come to Igboland and turn Igbo customs and traditions upside down because you don't like it.

If you produced children with a woman whose bride price you didn't pay, traditionally, your children would be considered illegitimate until her bride price is paid.

Ileke-IdI:
So exactly which family has enough to return N5m bride price items, esp if two of their daughters want to divorce? And you wonder why some women don't "officially" divorce, even if they want to.

Mentalities like this keeps our in bondage. Google search NL and see how many of your women are complaining about their bride price on NL. it'll shock you.

I'm just happy that the tradition that forces Igbo women to move out of their husband's home and to shave their head following their husband's demise is finally receding. Bride price is next

No community has a N5m bride price. Read that link that I posted above for the answers to all of your questions.

Super1759: Am from imo state. The day I saw the customised list by the community.I pity the guy that was marrying my sister. Even other villages in abia state like arochukwu.*chineke mee* its like they are into the biz and do bazzar with their daughters. Its like we go go fulani(free) or india(the lady will pay me) go marry

In Arochukwu, the bride price is very low and it negotiated by the umunna. In fact, the bride price there is just symbolic.

At those wondering why the bride prices of Imo are higher than other areas in Igboland, read this:

http://books.google.com/books?id=MQ-TRQeRUw4C&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=arochukwu+bride+price&source=bl&ots=bftLJcv8cl&sig=lRstEGptZU9i5YpplGpKgzc72tU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cJwuUK_9LaOCyAGDxYDoAw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA

bittyend: So, what happens if I decide not to pay the bride price?

Then you aren't married. Omenali bu omenali.

Ileke-IdI:
And that's why I asked you to list the bride prices from each community and from state to state. For a politician to want to do sth about it, it must really be chaotic.

Which man would let his wife walk free after buying her for millions? Na until death do us part be that one o.


PS: This is the 21st century. A woman should marry a man on the date they want to get married, not
when they can gather enough money to feed the entire community.

It's mentalities like this that turn tradition upside down. The Igbo marriage ceremonies are elaborate because (in general Igbo culture) marriage is seen as a ceremony that one should partake in only when stable enough to meet the requirements.

Despite the bride price, divorce is official once the woman's bride price is returned. If a man's wife returns to her father but her father doesn't return the bride price, then the father is at fault. If a man takes a woman without paying her bride price, they aren't considered married.

Besides, the bride prices in most areas can be negotiated.

Ileke-IdI:
List all the bride price from different Igbo states. . . . .

Father gets sth, mama gets something, chief gets something, the village tourist gets something. . . .etc

In Igbo society, bride prices range from community to community and are traditionally regulated by the elders (or any other governing body found in that locale).

The bride price also depends on the traditional marriage ceremony (which also varies from place to place). Traditionally, the significance of the bride price lies in the [Igbo] belief that a woman was an asset loaned to a man to help him produce a family of his own and the bride price (aka dowry) was the payment used to seal this agreement. That is why (in the olden days) divorce was as simple as requesting the return of a bridge price.

Also, in pre-colonial Igbo society, (in some communities) women were buried in the fatherland (regardless of where their husbands are from), signaling the end of the loan.

Please don't be too quick to say what you're unsure of.

KingMichael: A spambot has hidden one of my post on my main KingMichael777account.
https://www.nairaland.com/990464/beauty-afro-dominican-women/2

My post is all the way at the bottom.

That thread is no longer in this section so it's no longer under our control. The Fashion section mods will help you.

Ileke-IdI:
Enough of this. . . . Igbo elders selling their children. How's the SE states any different from the North?

Didn't Yerima buy his 13 years old bride from Egypt?

Even with the new Bride price law, it'll still take years before its implementation on our imo society.

==> Politics?

This means that you don't know Igbo culture/society as well as you think you do.

Culture >>> Romance

cuteonyii: If Osisikankwu can touch something and disappear when the mobile police were around. How come he did not touch and disappear when the Army came around
If warriors could be fortified to the point the can not get gun shots.. How come nothing much was done during the civil war??
I bet you if there are stuff that can make us disappear, many people with money would have been untouchable..

Osisikwankwu's magic failed him because he failed to re-fortify himself since the army had surrounded his bunker in the woods. He bent down to disappear but nothing happened and they killed him. It's all over the newspapers and the Internet.

Warriors were fortified during pre-colonial times and not during the modern era. In the modern era most people were converted to Christianity and no longer believed in those things.

Lol. Nothing is impossible under the sun.

What is this thread about?

Charcoal is very healthy and it whitens teeth.

All of those things you listed are very possible.

In 2010, there was a man in Aba called Osisikwankwu who was given (by a native doctor) the ability to disappear whenever he touched a certain type of plant. He used his ability to wreak havoc until his death at the hands of the Nigerian army.

In pre-colonial times, warriors would get heavily fortified before they went to war. This fortification would allow them to be impervious to stab wounds or gun shots.

Power is found everywhere in this world. There is nothing that's impossible under the sun.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: i hope u are joking the guy aint dancing he is jumping and jumping like a fool ...that's not dancing

The guy's good if you ask me. Why criticize when we haven't seen your own dancing?

Ileke-IdI:
Okay let me not lie. . . I like this dance and the song

Lol.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: it's ivoirian and the group is called magic system ......

The dance style is considered Congolese.

MsDarkSkin: Odumchi could you please lock or delete this thread? Thanks.

https://www.nairaland.com/999315/bleh

Done!

Ileke-IdI:
Not bad for that type of dancing. . . .I guess he's a pro in that league.

Just not my type of dancing.

What's your type?

This?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agV4s3O7Ysg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Or do you prefer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN67SZfc7I0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Ileke-IdI:
The day my BF starts dancing like that, I'mma have to show him the red card.

Atleast he's better than men who likes shaking their azz while dancing.

Wait, you're saying this guy is bad?

I think he's good. When I dance I just shake my legs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCPLBlNYnAk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I think it's about time that I learn to dance. This guy's moves have inspired me. This has led me to ask: does anyone know how to dance like this?

His moves look Congolese.

Obiagu1: Yes we tried but were defeated. What other options do you have when you lose to the might of the British? You're citing Ethiopia, how many other Africans survived such onslaught?

It's not as if the British were demi-gods. The only advantage they had was technology. We [Africans] had numbers and immunity to malaria on our side. The British exploited us and created divisions among us. They pitted us against each other and prevented us from seeing their hidden motives.

Take the Yoruba for instance. At their peak, the Yoruba states could've wiped the British out of Yorubaland; but instead they were too busy fighting each other.

Now take the Igbo for instance. If the Ngwa and other groups has sided with the Aro in their war against the British, they could've driven them [the British] out of the Lower Niger area. The Aro could've even invaded Calabar and emancipated the Efik, destroying Britain's administrative capital in the Gulf of Biafra.

However, they didn't choose to do so; instead they chose to fight among themselves (some even going as far as to ally themselves with the British).

Obiagu1: Did we have any choice? What could we have done against the British military power?

We could've did what the Ethiopians did. That's why they're the only African country that escaped European colonization.

PhysicsQED: Dog ownership is rare among Nigerians, but who among those that do own dogs actually feeds them 'fesis'? That doesn't sound like it makes sense.

In the countryside, dogs are traditionally fed feces along with other scraps they are given, lol.

How does someone's roof being unsightly affect you? I can even have a thatch roof if it pleases me.

Besides, thinking logistically, do you know how much time and money it will take to replace every single zinc roof in Nigeria? Will you build temporary shelters as people's roofs are replaced?

eeh.

I zila m ihe ovuru, ndeewo.

MsDarkSkin:

errm. Odumchi..how come you didn't do this on my wodaabe thread?

its a conspiracy.

Check.

ChinenyeN: "New Yam" festival adii l'uwala m.

O pusara New Yam festival adii na ali Ngwa ka o bu soso na mba gi?

Ndaa ihe inyi na eme aga a (otu a) New Yam adii?

Mrs.Chima:
I was innocent by the way.

I was really referring to the Nigeria-Cameroon thing. Lol.

[size=2pt]Don't expect this thread to last too long.[/size]

Nice thread! Here are some more:

You're Nigerian if:

- you call 'q tips' 'cotton board'

- you spit on your fingers before you count your money or turn a page

- you stand with two hands behind your back

- your parents click their tongue in annoyance

- you eat Agege or Our Lady bread

- your elder brother returns only with bread after spending years in the city

- you turn your back to count your money

- you keep your money in your underwear

- you feed your dogs fesis

- you think RSVP means rice and stew very plenty

- everyone in your community owns a generator

Obiagu1: Now we are begging for seaports, airports, etc. Oil company headquarters were all moved to Lagos. We lost everything.

I don't think we should be thinking about that. Rather, I think we should be angry at the fact we allowed the British to challenge us in our own land and usurp our indigenous governments and authorities. It was then that all was lost not when we were united with the Yoruba.

Besides, the move that really ruined us (even after colonization) was the union of Northern Nigeria and Southern Nigeria.