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sinteiking:
The biggest proof of this argument is the current King of Opobo affirming Opobians are Ijaws.

Verdict of this Argument: Opobians are Ijaws

Show me where he affirmed that he is Ijaw, and I will show you where he affirmed that he is not Ijaw.

Just listen from 2:58 - 5:26. Those are not the sentence constructions of someone that truly believes he is Ijaw.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCPKHyhdYD8

sinteiking:
Did His Majesty king (Dr.) Dandeson Douglas Jaja JP, Jeki V, Treaty king, Amayanabo of Opobo affirmed his Ijawness or not?

Not very vehemently all through, because if you listen to this interview from 2:58 - 5:26, where he was asked about the Ijaws, he kept using THEY and THEM.

Watch and see


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCPKHyhdYD8

Ekealterego:
Antispambot banned me, I had to sit on the sidelines while I watch Umunnem give gave it to these guys hard core, with no mercy or Vaseline.

Welcome back

Just to puncture the lies of the landgrabbers with regards to the Bonny language that Dr. Baikie recorded.

Before I carry on, please bear in mind that Dr. Baikie had already made it clear that Bonny people claim Igbo descent.

Now, my first attachment shows a snippet in the book, where Baikie stated that the deposed King Peppel gave him a lot of information about BONNY. Not about Igbo. This is extremely important. What it means is that ex-king Pepple's piece in the Appendix of Dr. Baikie's book will be solely about BONNY/UBANI

Now the second attachment references the Appendix of interest, the first part deals with commonalities between Igbo, Nembe, Oru, Ibani and Kalabari.
The second part delves into the information that ex-king Pepple shared with Dr. Baikie about Bonny. In it, ex-king Pepple listed a few words and numbering in both Ibani and Igbo, which clearly means both languages are spoken in Bonny, after all ex-king Pepple was only sharing information about Bonny with Dr. Baikie, according to the first attachment.

Now, space did not permit me to also showcase the little commentary that Dr. Baikie made, wherein he stated that the Igbo numbering supplied by the ex king, had both Isuama and Aro pronunciations, which will suggest that other Igbo dialects had started affecting the original Ndoki dialect, as recorded by Captain Crow.

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Slayerforever
Bkayy
Ekealterego
Igboid
ofoigbo
Eastlink
Vintagepipes

Putindbutt:
Joker, I should throw away lists of citations of older documents that corroborate obvious proofs. Weren't you taught the importance of citations in school?
For instance, should I throw away a book of 2021 that supports its works with a body of proofs or citations from the 15th or 16th century?

Yes, you should throw them away, but rather quote from those 15th or 16th century books
The devil is usually in the details in these things, and I will prove it to you landgrabbers with Dr. Baikie's account of the languages spoken in Bonny. Watch out for it

RobbStark:
Bonny is motherland.
Opobo is a child of Bonny

Bayelsa is mother State, not my mum's state, get that.
Bayelsa is the only homogeneous Ijaw state.

There are also Urhobos in Bayelsa, so that state is not exclusively Ijaw, before you start claiming Urhobo areas of Bayelsa

JANK23H:
No...1548

And yet none of them recognize Ijaw pre-eminence over Ubani

[quote author=Putindbutt post=108218722]During the slave trade in the 19th century, there was a heavy presence of Igbo slaves from the Igbo hinterland.
Further injection of Igbo people, culture and language came after the slave trade was abolished and all the captured slaves brought recently from Igbo land to Opobo and Bonny to be sold couldn't be sold off again, then the Igbo slaves SETTLED then there AMONG the Ijaw natives. The proportion of the Igbo people to the Ijaw was highly significant in both areas that Igbo language became the common spoken language. In addition, the Igbo language was spoken as a second language by all the minorities living along the Niger Delta and was used as a common means of communication with the Igbo people from the hinterlands.
After the Igbo slaves settled there, it was noted that the natives refused to teach their language to the Igbo people and outsiders but rather they reserved it as a secret language instead. This factor led to the heavy decline in the usage of Ibani in Bonny, the total death of the Language in the Opobo area and the pervasive usage of Igbo language in both areas. When the christian missionaries landed in Bonny, note that the natives did not present Ibani to the missionaries but they presented Igbo as their language instead.
This history is clearly captured in the work of Roger Blench of which a snapshot image of his pdf book is shown below. The full PDF material can also be downloaded here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rogerblench.info%2FLanguage%2FNiger-Congo%2FIjoid%2FIbani%2FIbani-English%2520dictionary.pdf&ei=9a12UZqsGISMO8SqgMAD&usg=AFQjCNFwak52P0FClDB2M4XeYRy4X0Vseg&sig2=xjJrI-zJS26YVTz8QNqe9Q



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Modified: Ibos on this thread are only fighting a lost battle. Give it up already. [/quote


Please throw away all these post-independence documents, put together with the sole intention of neutralising the Igbo ownership of Ubani.

Only show ancient records. They are more unadulterated.

Ekealterego:
Yeah, trust Igbos, they learn very quickly. The last time a minority tested power, it was on the back of Igbos.. In far away lands, they were threatened that they will be drowned in the Lagoon, still, they stood by the minority.

..but you know what, they learn too quickly.

Also the idiot that threatened to drown Igbos in the lagoon, had his palace destroyed and his staff of office, displayed on eBay for sale

Chukwu Abiama does not sleep

Putindbutt:
You guys celebrate Crow's work the most for obvious reasons.
What you uploaded on Barbot is incomplete, a one-sided screenshot.

We also uploaded evidence showing that Dr. Baikie clearly stated verbatim that Ubani people claimed Igbo ancestry.

Also remember Dr. Baikie's expedition was sanctioned by Queen Victoria.

What this means is that in this very important point, both Captain Crow's earlier work and Dr. Baikie's work rhymed, thus validating both works

Eastlink:
Bringing facts here on Nairaland is a right step in the right direction, but more needs to be done. Such as.
1. Inviting Bonny/Opobo people to Igbo the cultural gathering as was the case with the forgotten Ahajioku festival held in Owerri. King Jaja Jeki V used to be a guest.

2. Informing Ohaneze or any Igbo group to open up Igbo associations in Bonny. Getting King Pepple of Bonny and King Jaja of Opobo to endorse these pro-Igbo Ubani unions.

3. Sending an Igbo delegation to visit with Bonny/Opobo.

4. Sponsorship of Igbo language competitions in Bonny/Opobo.

5. Opening of Facebook groups where Igbophilic Bonny/Opobo indigenes are admin. This will help to counter the guerrilla warfare being financed and sponsored by INC/IYC.

6. Supporting Pro-Igbo Bonny/Opobo sons like Dakuku Peterside for Governorship.

7. Sponsoring historians to write the true Bonny Igbo origin history of her Kings and people that will give Alagoa’s fraudulent revision the death knell.

Nnaa iji okwu.

9Pluto:
This book is about 100 years later than the first major historical documentation of Bonny from way back 1798, yet we are still looking for the ijaw connection to Bonny.

At least, we have ascertained that igbos were in Bonny as Kings, Natives and Slaves.

One of them should be bold enough and come to a live debate possibly on BBC.

Fear don catch dem.

If only all the information in this thread is made available to every stratum of Bonny and Opobo, so that these land grabbers will have an impossible task rewriting history

Alabo7978:
lol, this is becoming interesting. so how did the igbos become king in Bonny when igbos who were brought to Bonny were slaves as revealed by Dr koeller and Samuel crowther?

did God almighty drop Igbo people from the sky on Bonny island?
"..Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES..."
have you forgotten the document?

sorry, no offense.
how old are you?

I don't know where you are headed with this your line of shallow logic, but Captain Crow clearly reported that both the Kings of Bonny and Kalabari were of Igbo ancestry.

Check the attached and stop arguing blindly.

1 The Bonny royalty was Igbo
2. The mass of Bonny natives are of Igbo ancestry
3. The majority of slaves in Bonny were also of Igbo ancestry.

Don't just concentrate on the slaves. Also try and point out the royalty and the Bonny natives, who are all clearly Igbo, ACCORDING TO THIS NEUTRAL SOURCE

Vintagepipes:
There is a Kamalu.
He was a king in Bonny, I will find it.

However, I don't think the names of the king matters, because their kings from a small analysis I did had diverse names. Mostly English, Igbo and some sort of hybrid one cannot really trace.

The attached, is a list of the kings of Bonny recorded by Dr. Baikie.

If the first king was Igbo, then from the relationships of the subsequent kings, it is clear they were all Igbo as at the time Dr. Baikie visited the place in 1854.

It will be easier to trace the remaining kings ethnic foundation, from then onwards.

From anient records, we already know that King Opubo was clearly reported to be Igbo. What that means is that Perikoli (possibly the Perekule that the Ijaw landgrabbers are trying to twist) was Igbo also.

Crazybeard:
please trash �️ this.If you aren't bringing excerpts from Europeans expenditionists then don't bring at all.After all, that's what you said when I uploaded excerpts from the Copenhagen Polis Center.

Please we want pre-colonial records. Not these latter day ajambene

We are supplying you with unadulterated material from neutral European sources. Match us

Crazybeard:
Stop these Crow and Dr. Baikie nonsense.Even the British government don't take their publication seriously.

You are obviously pained.

Queen Victoria even endorsed the expedition that Dr. Baikie was a part of.

Guess what? Dr. Baikie rightly found out that the original Ubani citizens were of Igbo descent. You loose

Anonymous15:
Wait o, Igboid, you brought the account of a slave captain who's only route is the sea and his ship.
Perhaps in relation with the slaves on board who were igbos you brought an account from a slave captain.
I thought you were bright.
Please tell your other more brilliant friends in your group chat to help you.
I'm showing you Dr baikie (even though not always correct) and you're showing me a slave captain.
Get out of here.
Atleast tell Ekealterego and 9pluto and the rest, don't know their godforsaken monicker to help you.

Both captain crow and Dr. Baikie rightly stated that the original inhabitants of Ubani were of Igbo ancestry. That clinches the argument. So even if they count in Hausa or Fulani, the fact that both individuals stated that Igbos own Ubani is good enough for me.

Presently, Ubani people count in Igbo

Igboid:
You are a joke.
Bonny count in Igbo numbers today, and we had provided evidence that the counting was same as in today in the past.
There is basically nothing to shut down.

What really matters most to me is that Baikie confirmed that the inhabitants of Ubani claim Igbo ancestry.

So even if Ubani people use Hausa in their counting,. Igbos would still have a major stake there.

Of course, it helps that they now count in Igbo, thus unifying their present reality with their ancestral reality

9Pluto:
Oh! Merci beaucoup.
This explains it. You have been away for so long in France you got inebriated with their wines.Apologies to your ancestors whose inherentance is lost wherever rabbit hole you came from.
So is your map of old Benin Empire the map of a single ethnic group? Alas, you were too daft to notice it included the Eshan, Urhobo, Isoko and all other tribes (let me not even mention the anioma you claimed). I wonder how you passed your maths lesson. Well, I won't give you free history classes.

You should apologize to the French authorities for parading their certificate on that numb skull.

I am amused you parade a foreign certification like the other Mongoloid from UK except yours was in French. You guys are an apology to modern education.
You brag about your degree in maths in 2021, I wonder what people studying computer vision and AI should do.

Now get out of my mentions as I won't spend my time to make up for your academic deficits.

P.S: I pity your students.
Make sure you modify your genes so you don't pass that silly inheritance to your offsprings.

That his map of Benin empire even covers Ibibioland, Efik, Ejagham, and parts of Igala, Idoma, Tiv and Amazonian territories

To him, these people are all Benin people

If I get a bit of time later on today, I will blow the nigga to smithering, with ancient documents.

RobbStark:
Future Ibo??
Why not present Ibo.

Just to help you out. Please read the attachment

Ekealterego:
Just in case they are trying to say it is fake. He is it again.

Title
Narrative of an exploring voyage up the rivers Kwóra and Bínue (commonly known as the Niger and Tsádda) in 1854. With a map and appendices. Pub. with the sanction of Her Majesty's government. By William Balfour Baikie.

By
Baikie, William Balfour, 1825-1864

PAGE 335

Thank you for this.

Do you have a link to that book online? I lost my link to it, and lost the downloaded version also.

I hope Alabo7978 is learning from these ancient records from neutral sources, endorsed by Queen Victoria

I also hope Adakaboro8, Robbstark and the rest can now see why Bonny and Opobo will always be a part of a future Igbo country.

9Pluto:
Please, edit this quote to reflect my updates.

Someone should make out time to save this thread off Nairaland. It should be in an archive someone.

Done

bomb24:
Mazi u're just too intelligent, this your findings is bomb! this alone is an excerpt.

i'm definitely gona add them to my arsenal. the next battle will be taken to twitter.

Igboid aka Pazienza has always been a beast

9Pluto:
Lmao.

I decree...your people should immediately confer you with a chieftaincy title.

Maybe I should go and take the Mgburu-ichi title

UBANI bu ana Igbo. Say it loud!!!

9Pluto:
Why have you been hiding this literature while watching us run our mouth endlessly here?

Let me rephrase.

Why hidest thou this noblest of literature from thy Ubani kinsmen?

This is the MOST explicit record for me. Imagine I didn't even see this when I was challenging the entire ijaw to a live debate on their revised history.

This is an alternate neutral account from the one I started this thread on.

All opposing arguments so far, has been mere conjectures without any historical reference. Notice how names or words are continuously twisted to give a different meaning. I keep laughing when I see Opobo spelt as Opubo, then Opuboama.
I hope you guys also noticed the final blow to the Perekule claims as Pepple in this post.
I first noticed in Crow's account,that the assigned English names has no bearing to the indigenous names.

This account still mentioned the same Brass people in the original post, different from Kalabari people and not a single mention of ijaw.

The last attempt at revisionism was to change the Ebanne language and they almost succeeded, unfortunately there came a coconut head generation of igbos to stop them just in time. I think the preceeding generation of igbos owe this generation an apology. But they are forgiven since they didn't have Internet access.

This literature should be posted EVERYWHERE that matters.

Please, fully reference this book. The name of the book, the author's name and date.

Ladies and gentlemen, it took us several days and 33 pages on nairaland to arrive where we started. I think we have come to the end of this debate.

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Slayerforever
Ofoigbo
igboid
Eastlink

Your Ebanne igbo ancestors would be proud of you guys.

P.S: Someone can now tell the dubious author of we are all sons of Perekule to wipe his fallacious behind with that piece of thrash.

To be honest, I just found it this morning, and waited for the right opportunity to annihilate their claims. I looked for it for nearly a week.

I cut it out of the online version of Dr. Baikie's book about 3 or 4 years ago. Unfortunately the book was deleted when my system crashed about a year ago, and a whole lot of materials were lost, including that 1854 book by Baikie. Fortunately, the snippet I cut out remained.
It has proven helpful in obliterating these landgrabbers.

Ekealterego:
Brutality.. I was seriously looking for this page.

You guys already knocked them out a few days ago, but they keep trying to make fraudulent comebacks.
I just had to apply the sniper therapy, especially now that he seems to have teed himself up properly, with the Baikie aura.

I couldn't resist the urge to deep him in sniper

Igboid:
You have finished him.
In mortal combat, this is brutality and fatality all rolled into one and delivered with a dose of venom.

Igboid nwanne mmadu. These niggaz are headed nowhere with their revisionism attempts.

If Baikie is his authority on Bonny, well, he has now been given Baikie's take on the first indigenes of Ubani. Umu Igbo obviously.

Alabo7978:
You see your life? I have shown you documents and you want to "lecture" by telling me useless stories.
Below are screenshots of Dr baikie and how the OKOLOMA (bonny) people count
Ngee
Nme
Tere
Ini
Sono
Sonie
Sonoma
Inine
Etc

How the Nembeians and other ijoh count
Kio
Mai
Tarai
Ini
Sono
Sonie
Sonomai
Inine
Etc

How the igbos count
Otu
Abuo
Ator
Ano
Ise
ishi
Asa
Asato
Etc

But ofoigbo is trying to tell me Bonny is Igbo and not ijo.
Look at that screen shot(I typed it out so you won't claim you didn't see it)
Ok, listen to your logic, you earlier said OKOLOMA IS IGBO, and that it is the same as OKOLOMA in ndoki land

I later opened your eyes and we now see that the ibos called it OKOLOBA
Now you're dancing to another direction.

Now if you claim it is the same, why did the igbos call Bonny "okoloBA"

Lies full your blood too much
God forbid.

Alabo, thanks for falling into my trap.

Now I have attached a piece wherein Dr. Baikie made it quite clear, the ancestry of Bonny indigenes. I hope this will clear all doubt, especially as you want to rely on the Baikie name.

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igboid

Alabo7978:
Dunce!
Open your eyes and read the second line.
Zoom it.
I will always ask, do y'all suffer from jaundice??
"Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves
Bonny is called okoloBA, obani, ibani by the igbos"

Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by the IBO SLAVES though they speak the OKOLOMA language which is also the language of the new calabar (calabari)

You igbos know Bonny as OKOLOBA, OKOLOBA,
ZOOM THE SECOND LINE AND OPEN YOUR EYES, OR EAT ENOUGH ONIONS.
The OKOLOMA in ndoki was camp or little town where the Bonny(OKOLOMA) people go to purchase slave or other cash crops. Even the OKOLOMA originally belonged to the Bonny people.

Try and open your eyes ofoigbo biko'nu
Zoom the second line.
You called Bonny OKOLOBA, BA BA.

Chineke'ekwela'ihe'ojo.

Let me lecture you a little.

In the past....
IGBOS in the Anioma area, called us NSHI people. But we call ourselves Nri people. Which part of this statement means Nri people are not Igbos?

From what I have read up so far on Ubani, it is clear that there were at least 3 categories of people in that town.
1. The ruling families (Ndoki-Igbos)
2. The slave merchants (Ndokis, Ngwas, Aros)
3. The slaves about to be shipped to the New World (Igbos and possibly Ibibioids)

The 4th category are perhaps Ijoid migrant porters and menial labourers and fishermen.

The clear majority are the slaves to be shipped out, who were mainly Igbos and Ibibioid people.

Now we all know that Okoloma exists in Ndoki territory and not in Ijaw territory.
So it makes sense to clearly state that the true original Bonny people, were Ndoki people, who also referred to Bonny by a name that already exists in Ndoki terrotory, namely OKOLOMA.

At no point was it stated that Bonny people were Ijaws.

Now to drill deeper to know who those true Bonny people were, all you needed to do was to consult earlier documents written by neutral observers.

John Adams ()1824), Captain Crow(1790-1830), Dr. Balfour Baikie (1850) all confirmed that IGBOS were the original inhabitants of Ubani.
Please in the future, use ancient records written by neutral observers to back up some of your fairy tales.

Alabo7978:
You haven't been following. Bonny is owned by okoloama, okoloama is an offshoot of ijo.
Koeller a German Doctor who worked at Bonny for years said Bonny people are a different people and that the igbos who were there were either slaves brought from the "igbinni" igbinni is a name bonnys call Igbo and on the other hand trading partnership formed when bonnys take their boat up stream to buy yam, vegetables, palm oil and the other good crops the igbos plant because according to him your forests were heavy and thick and it was good for growing crops. After slavery, igbos were allowed to do business there.
Even one of your Igbo goons revealed igbos won their freedom by aiding Asimini in battle.
Crowther and pepple submitted a document I will show you, baikie collected their words and you're still living in denial.
With this stupid behavior y'all potray here, your kind in 400 years time will claim Lagos (Yoruba people beware)
You all already have an eze'ndigbo in another man's land.
Smh, it's a pity.

The attachment you sent clearly shows that Ubani people, who were mainly Ndoki people, also referred to Ubani as Okoloma (which is also the name of a town in Ndoki)

Nowhere in that writeup was it stated that Ijaws owned Ubani.

Okoloma is more of an Ndoki town. Otherwise is there any Ijaw town named Okoloma. Don't tell me OKOLOAMA.

[quote author=JANK23H post=108137743][/quote]Here you are yet again, bringing out post colonial and post civil war documents, written for landgrabbing purposes.

Show us pre colonial records made by neutral observers where they specifically stated that Ijaws owned Ubani.

We have multiple ancient documents made by neutral observers that clearly states that Ubani was peopled first by Igbos and that the ruling families were Igbos

oyatz:
You are making two big mistakes;


1) Ancestries doesn't necessarily mean the current ethnic identity. For instance, Barack Obama has a Kenyan ancenstry but this doesn't mean he is a Kenyan.
The ruling saxe-coburg-gota (Windsor) royal family of Britain has a German ancestry but this doesn't mean the family is not a British family but a German family.


2) The ancestries of the king may not necessarily mean the ethnic Identity of the town e.g The Ruling Bourbon royal family of Spain has a French ancenstry but this doesn't mean that Spain is now part of France.
The Obi of Onitsha has Bini ancestry but Onitsha is not a Bini Town.

But Ubani and Opobo people speak Igbo as their first language, and are only forces to learn Ibani as a distant second language.

So if their ruling families are of Igbo ancestry and their first language is Igbo, then to all intents and purposes, Ubani and Opobo are Igbo territories.