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Alabo7978:
Ofoigbo again compromising...
That's why I said I have a soft spot for you. You have exposed the lies from your circus once more.
First you acknowledged the first snippet from crowther(that is good)
And you asked "WHO ARE THE BONNY INDIGENES AND WHAT LANGUAGE DO THEY SPEAK"
lol, is it that you consume this meth drug more than the others?
I will gladly answer your question on The Bonny indegenes and the language they speak with my first attachment which your friend Ekealterego drugfully gave me

Look at the Excerpt you sent, you didn't obliterate me with it, you obliterated your circus, LMAO. Let me also call Ezecanada who was calling God and I told him God doesn't side with liars and criminals.
Now look at the excerpt YOU YOURSELF SENT, look at the bracketed languages and the similarities.... Don't you see "Oru"(ijo) in the far right? Don't YOU know another name for ijo is Oru(known by the Europeans) LMAO
Now look at the 3rd screenshot I sent you, doesn't it tally with baikie's Language collection??
God hasn't even started exposing you, this is meth exposing before God himself will do the final exposure.

Nnaa your illiteracy knows no bounds. The bit you bracketed was just a comparison of various languages, showing how related they are to the Igbo language. It has nothing to do with the languages spoken in Ubani. The first attachment contains a snippet in the same book by Dr. Baikie, alleging that there are commonalities among those languages and Igbo. So stop making a fool of yourself in this regard.

I have resent that attachment again, please spend a few seconds to read the message inbetween the tables. You will notice that the second table, contains the numbering system of both Igbo and Ibani, both of which were supplied the the Igbo ex-king of Ubani, King Pepple.

The whole thread has really been about who the original Bonny people are. And it has been severally proven, from documents put together by neutral observers, that the original founders of Ubani were Igbos. You cannot destroy this point. Alagoa and Fombo cannot destroy this point.

Fejoku:
Below is another excerpt from Major Aurthur Glyn Leonard of the British Army published in 1906. These were his findings on the origin of Bonny people.

Thank you for this.

In fact a number of earlier explorers and traders had already established the fact that Igboland was the origin point of the Ubanis.

John Adams in the 1820s, Captain Crow's memoir which was compiled from 1790 to the 1820s, but published in 1830. Dr. Baikie in the 1850s.

So the Jos have no basis to argue. Alabo7978 their local itibolibo is going nowhere

Alabo7978:
Ode said "Dr baikie's blow"
And do you see how you spelt Opobo by it's original name Opubo? An ijo name, and OKOLOMA the original Bonny name??
You keep Putting your comrades to shame that's why I have a soft spot for your stupidity because it puts you and your agenda including your circus in a tight corner.
well, I love Dr baikie's blow so much on the first screenshot, and on the second screenshot; choke on the ijo lingua and the Ethnic dialect under it as ascertained by every linguist and historian
#ijoid
#okoloma
#opubo
#countingsystem

Here we go again with your usual present day, meant to confuse, writeups by modern landgrabbing Jos.
The only ancient attachment you sent in, was the snippet from Ajayi Crowther. Now the obvious question will be this. Who are these Bonny indigenes? What language(s) do they speak?
Now I will obliterate your 419 stuff with references from just Baikie.

The first attachment was from the Appendix of Baikie's book. In it, the numbering system of both Ndigbo, and the Kalabari language also known as Ibani were supplied by King Pepple. You see, he didn't only supply Ibani. He gave both Ibani and Igbo.

The second attachment, also from Baikie, clearly stipulates that Bonny people claim Igbo ancestry.
Even the Ibani people, around this time, claimed to have come from Ngwa in Igboland.

You see, the above puts everything into perspective. You are going nowhere. Ubani people are really from Ndoki and Ngwa stocks in Igboland.

KoshCAD:
Kikikiki, keep mocking your dead and roasted fathers and uncles, e no concern me hahahahaha.

It squarely concerns you.
Your APC people are killing and roasting people. Typical APC ways. In your APC state, you eat human flesh and use the skulls for rituals

Alabo7978:
lol, I've ALWAYS said it...
ofoigbo, that one is the clownest of all the clowns in the,ir circus.
I've ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS said it. lol.

Alabo7978 the miscreant. Haven't you yet recovered from the Dr. Baikie blow? I figured you wanted to make Dr. Baikie the cornerstone of your landgrabbing claim, until you got knocked out by Dr. Baikie's writing that Ubani people claim Igbo descent. Since then, I know I have been giving you sleepless nights, with my Igbo brothers infusing terrible nightmares to your rest.

Ubani (Okoloma) and Opubo will forever be Igbo estates. You can jump off a cliff, if you are not happy with this state of affairs

KoshCAD:
But unfortunately for you, they are your uncles and fathers hahahahaha. You will continue to hope.

Human eaterrrrrrrr. Spit.

Which part are you eating this morning hahahahaha

But they are your people though. Your people in APC

I know you are looking at those two heads with glee, hoping to eat the tongues, before using the skulls in your usual rituals.

KoshCAD:
Below is more than enough evidence. There is video evidence too.

Mr ibu is another person that could have experienced being roasted.

I sincerely hope it was Yoruba officers the APC-controlled government roasted.

That will be two skull miners and cannibals out of the way

KoshCAD:
So human eaters too are successful?

No evidence to back you up yet, as Yorubas are not successful

Putindbutt:
Read, boy. Don't allow your parents money goes to waste. Stop talking like an mkpurummiri addict.
If you don't understand something, ask questions. Stop following the herd mentality. You can read but too slow to understanding. dis wan just dey follow the bandwagon.

Nwokem, deal with the pillorying that Alagoa got from reputable educational institutions, and stop landgrabbing.

Your landgrabbing champion's scholarly work has been severally rubbished by his educated peers and you are here foaming in the mouth

Alabo7978:
Ignore those clowns.
They're induced with meth.
How they're lovers of Fombo I don't even know.
Ofoigbo was blatantly saying all igbos should get Fombo's work. I was like WTF?
Amongst all of them, he's the most stupid. Seems he injest too much meth drug more than the rest of the circus.

Here you are yet again, with your 419 ways.

When did I ever advise anybody to get Fombo's work? I asked my fellow core Igbos to get Fombo's manuscript, which was obviously originally secured by one Prof. Anene, and possibly still lies somewhere in the University of Ibadan area.

There's a reason Alagoa avoided that manuscript.

God forbid that I will ask my fellow Igbos to get Fombo's work, which must be another stuff for the fiction section.

I know that since I knocked you silly with Baikie's writings which showed that Bonny people claimed Igbo descent, your sanity has been well screwed.
Now, Alagoa you god is being seriously scholarly sodomised by his peers. This must be very difficult for you.

Eastlink:
Alagoa and Fombo planned the game together don't be deceived.

Of course, I know. I'm headed somewhere with my weird logic.

I have a trap waiting.

ba7man:
This pix represents exactly what you guys do.

Dem catch una say una dey chop yourselves and you're still out here claiming "Painment".

Shameless tribe.

Afonja headhunting cannibal. I don hear

ba7man:
Shut up you shameless cannibal defending clown.

Una don cast...... its you guys we're talking about right now where I'm at and we're all disgusted.

Shameless group of people.

Na una insult pass but na una sh1t for church pass.

Afonja headhunting cannibal. See painment

ba7man:
Who dey follow this one do greeting??

Another headhunting cannibal.

ba7man:
O.k IPOB cannibal. Whatever you say.

Headhunting Afonja cannibal, have a nice day

Alabo7978:
go back and read the review again.
it wasn't called a fraud.
he was just dissapointed that Alagoa didn't mention primary sources but secondary sources, as that is what "Chronicles" is all about.
atleast if you don't understand, take a look at your Bible (Chronicles) and know what it's all about.

If it was just about the Chronicles of Grand Bonny, how then was Ijaw being mentioned in a book about Grand Bonny? Why did he COMPLETELY SUBMERGE Mr. Fombo's manuscript.

Before I carry on, I believe it will be a good idea for core Igbos to get hold of Mr. Fombo's manuscript. There are points in it that Alagoa wished submerged.

For a scholarly work by Alagoa to earn this line, backed by University College of Swansea WHAT IS WORSE IS THAT THE NEW TEXT IS NEITHER VERY SCHOLARLY NOR VERY INTERESTING. This totally calls into question, Alagoa's scholarly pedigree.

How did the chronicling of Grand Bonny, all of a sudden turn into a land-grabbing effort, to the extent that the core manuscript which is the main source of information on Grand Bonny was COMPLETELY IGNORED?
But rather, Alagoa chose to use secondary sources, with the full intention of elevating details in those secondary sources, to completely achieve the obscuring and submerging on the principal source of information for Grand Bonny.

Alagoa and University of Ibadan cannot wriggle their way out of this major scholarly volte face.

udele1:
A good for nothing fraudster radicalized igbo youths to destroy igboland, to enable him buy FENDI, and you are talking about APC.

I am not even a fan of Nnamdi Kanu as a leader so I don't even understand where you are coming from.

However, it will seem suspicions of cannibalism only follow Fulani-led APC around.

All the skull-mining states, where the flesh of the victims are presumably consumed, are APC states.

Now the Fulani-led APC-controlled DSS are now arranging human flesh for consumption in Imo state. That is a coincidental occurrence that needs to be highlighted.

Alabo7978:
I am a writer and I know about negative reviews, that is just a review.
Lol, even the mighty Jk rowling of Harry Potter, E.L James of fifty shades of grey, Steven king himself and all other published writers from time to time get negative reviews from "mare readers"
I laughed hard when I saw your circus celebrating a negative review from Jstor.
This shows you all are the dumbest people I have ever come across (I swear I'm not joking)

Harry Potter is a work of fiction, so the negative reviews may come from mare readers.

An academic work getting negative reviews is a big deal. Bear in mind that Swansea university college even attached its name to that negative review. This is a real knockout blow.

The university of Cambridge angle is another huge stab on the reputation of Alagoa in particular, and University of Ibadan in general.

Obagreatdatoye:
It's not new now.....Igbos do eat human meat very well....is like mbaise is the headquarters of human flesh eater in Imo state....I fear calabar people too

You always get cannibalism wherever you have APC government.

All the skull-miners first eat the flesh of their victims before using the skulls for their rituals.

Ekealterego:
One would think you are accusing Alagoa falsely, but even peer reviews and reputable minds called his book a Fraud.
Look at Latham, one of the leading minds in his field, have to say about Alagoa's history on Bonny.

CC: Slayerforever, Igboid, Bkayy, Ofoigbo, Vintagepipes

Every Igbo man needs to see this review about Alagoa's fraudulent activity.

Every Igbo man must save this page. This totally obliterates that fiction written by Alagoa. Trying to landgrab with his book.
Thank you for sharing this page.

So he avoided original sources. What a quack job. John Adams, Captain Crow, Dr. Baikie and Glynn have been vindicated. Some of those individuals observed Ubani first-hand, and here we have a quack that goes by the name Alagoa, trying to see the sun with his face completely in the shade.

Igbos saw this in 2003 and didn't vote for Buhari even though his VP candidate was an Igbo man
Igbos saw this in 2007 and didn't vote for Buhari even though his VP candidate was an Igbo man
Igbos saw this in 2011 and didn't vote for Buhari
Igbos saw this in 2015 and didn't vote for Buhari
Igbos saw this in 2019 and still didn't vote for Buhari.

The people that told us that Buhari was a Messiah are also suffering, crying, dying, being made refugees e.t.c.


WISE MEN ALWAYS COME FROM THE EAST

oyatz:
What exactly is the difference between Ijaw and Igbo?


There many people we now regard as Igbos whose forefathers came from Ijaw villages and there are Ijaws today whose ancestors came from igbo villages.



Both the Ijaw and Igbo identities as we know them today were recently fabricated social groups created by the British Colonial Masters for the purpose of identifications largely based on perceived similarities in languages, culture and coextensive territories.

I am sure you are well aware Igbos are very liberal in such issues, and believe seriously in the LIVE AND LET'S LIVE mantra.

At no time has the Igbos ever spoken bad of any of the ethnic groups in the east. We never spoke ill of any eastern ethnic group to the Europeans. We never spoke ill of, or undermine any eastern ethnic group in national politics.

But what we keep getting are Ijaws always looking for anti-Igbo allies to undermine the Igbos. The last two straws being, the visit of Ijaw elders to Buhari during the DOT IN A CIRCLE brouhaha, which was obviously orchestrated by the Igbo-hating Diette-Spiff and the rest so as to rub it into the Igbo psyche that Igbos have no access to the sea.
The second straw being the Alagoa-inspired move in Ubani and Opobo, not only to get the Igbo-speakers there to start speaking Ibani, but to actively dissuade them from speaking Igbo. This is brazen cultural genocide being actively supported and sponsored by Ijaws, to undermine the Igbos.
We are now even aware that the Ijaws are trying to create the false impression in Ubani and Opobo, that the Igbo that they speak, is foreign to them, as Igbo only got introduced to those places by slaves.

Unfortunately for those involved in this attempt at perpetrating cultural and linguistic genocide, we now are in the age of the internet, where information flows freely from closed groups to the global community. Igbos are gradually being made aware of this treacherous behaviour by the Ijaws, which didn't really start today. The abandoned properties issue is still in the dark recesses of the Igbo psyche, and in this modern day and age, we see all these other evil machinations.

For the first time in history, Igbos are openly calling Ijaws, unprintable names that the white slave traders labelled them with. This shows the damage being unintentionally done to the Igbo minds, who will gradually start seeing the Ijaws as the serpent in the house.

You cannot blame the Igbos for standing their ground, in the face of what is transpiring in the Igbo consciousness both nationally and regionally. Some Igbos are now desperate to correct the false information that has been allowed to fester unchallenged for many decades.

Ournolly:
He is one of the best candidates alongside Peter Obi imo.
I find it surprising that no one is bringing up is prospect for the presidential bid.

Don't our youths over here like him or what?
In my opinion, he is much a batter candidate than the likes of Atiku, Tinubu etc.

Akeredolu first has to consider himself a presidential material before other people can consider him.

He keeps bigging up Tinubu, no knowing that by doing that, he is psychologically ruling himself out of the race. The simple fact is that Akeredolu will be more acceptable by far, to the South and middlebelt than Tinubu.

Of course, the elephant in the room will always remain, how come Akeredolu is not supporting a SEner for that presidential position, seeing that no SEner has held that position for more than 55 years.

oyatz:
You are still making the same mistake.


Today, virtually Onitsha people identify as Igbos but there are many families whose ancestors came from Igala and Bini.

Similarly, the people of Sabongida Ora, Edo State identify themselves as Edo people but many families in the town traced their ancenstries to Yorubaland.

In summary, we are who we say we are.


Ethnic groups/tribes are artificial groupings.

The point you made in this message is different from the general battle going on.

If Ijaws in nairaland were making this point you just made, the trajectory of the battle would have been different. I'm sure you noticed that most Ijaws on nairaland are making the point that Bonny indigenes were not Igbo. That Igbos only came into Ubani as slaves.
So far, I and my fellow Igbos have debunked that, showing from records put together by neutral observers that not only were the slaves, mostly Igbos, we have shown from different records that the ruling families of Bonny, Kalabari and Opobo are of Igbo ancestry, and also that the Bonny indigenes themselves, are mainly of Igbo ancestry.

Now getting back to the point you just made, if Bonny and Opobo people now claim Ijaw identity, how come there is a concerted effort by Bayelsa organisations to force Ibani on the locals, and actively encouraging them not to speak Igbo?

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Alabo7978:
Remember a screenshot from someone you or one of your goons showed?
And it roughly quotes "in the HINTERLAND, the ibos have their various clan or tribe, but outside they are one nation; Igbo"
The ijos we're not earlier grouped because they were in their land, but nevertheless, I will grant your wish like a genie, you see your bolded words? Watch me shatter them.
The first screenshot is John Clarke adding the ijoid Languages after then earlier expedition.

You claim the freed people of sierraleone are definetly people of IBO origin?
Look at the second screenshot by German scholar Sigismund Koelle who published the book 'polyglotta Africana' in 1850's Grouping the ijoid Language and other African Language(thumping your falsehood, lol. I'm enjoying this)

The third screenshot is baikie himself still trying to figure out the ijoid Languages.

Now that I have showed you, I know you will still look for a way to dance out away from this again.
Now go to sleep little boy.

Please make your quotes from the original works of these neutral observers.

Stop quoting from commentaries of people who were mixing and matching and reaching conclusions to suit their landgrabbing attempts.

And by the way, it will be interesting to know how Alagoa and his fellow quacks, will interpret the fact recorded by John Adams, captain Crow, Dr. Baikie and Glynn, that Bonny people have Igbo ancestry

oyatz:
Many young igbo irredentists inspired by the IPOB agitations for Republic of Biafra are trying to re-define the ethnic identities of many places along the southern coast on social media.



However, one major fact they forget to acknowledge is the PEOPLE concerned.


Do Bonny and Opobo peoples see themselves as Igbos in 2021?


You can NOT tell or know the history of a people more than the peoples themselves.

Their ancestors know more about their history than them.

Dakuku Peterside knows his heritage also

JANK23H:
All you needed do was a Google search to know when that book was written.Instead of exposing your ignorance to the world.

Pereira didn't make mention of any tribe called Igbo,Ibo,Eboue or whatever nomenclature.

Why?

Because they never existed along the coast.

Stop bringing in records that were written when Nigeria already existed. That has been the point we have been making.

1937 is still too modern. Compare it with the records of John Adams and Captain Crow, written in the 1820s and 1830 respectively, which are over a hundred years older than Pereira's book. They all attest to the fact that Ubani is Igbo-owned.

Alagoa, Ditari, Pereira or any other modern cretin cannot change that fact.

JANK23H:
That isn't a fiction novel.Stop being silly.

A book written 25 years after Nigeria had already been created. The best he could possibly do is to interpret what had already been written by those that observed this societies firsthand before Nigeria was created. I am sure Pereira was even born decades after Baikie wrote his book, and I am sure Pereira's father hadn't been born when John Adam's and Captain Crow's books were written.

And by the way, I didn't see Pereira arguing with the Igbo origins of Bonny. Nor did I read where he claimed that Jos or Brass or Kalabari people were the original inhabitants of Bonny