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TooNoisy:
Johnson Aguiyi Ironsi was a Head of State of Nigeria and the only full Head of State of Igbo extraction. I wonder why today's Igbo youths never talk about him, just like they hardly ever mention Nnamdi Azikiwe. All we ever hear is Ojukwu; but Ojukwu at best was only the governor of the Eastern region. Both Zik and Ironsi were presidents, so why don't Igbos talk about them.

Murtala Mohammed and Gowon were also never presidents. They were heads of state. What mattered was that they had federal executive powers. They appointed ministers and approve budgets.

Zik was not an executive president. The real power was with Tafawa Balewa. It was Balewa that appointed all the government ministers with portfolios, and it was Balewa that appended his signature to national budgets.

Aguiyi Ironsi was the only Igbo man to ever exercise executive power in Nigeria. It lasted for just six months. So basically, Igbos have only had the executive power for just six months out of 61 years

orisa37:
Who were the FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTERS UNDER OBASANJO, YARADUA AND JONATHAN?

Possibly Ojo Maduekwe. Don't quote me though

IgweOfNnewi:
Obaino is godmother I guess.

if there is no godfather, maduka will have won the election instead of Soludo, soludo have contested election before but he didn't win but I am sure obaino will have given Soludo conditions to support him, only a mischievous slow imps will say Anambra state killed godfatherism despite it was obvious that obaino supported Soludo to become governor

But Obiano does not control agberos in Anambra, nor does he have any concessions granted the companies that he controls, nor is his son the babaloja of any market in Anambra, nor does Obiano control the house of assembly members of Anambra.

Anambra people will definitely not stand for that.

I am as much a stake holder in Soludo's governance as Obiano's son.

Peter Obi helped Obiano into governorship, but you can never describe Peter Obi as Obiano's godfather. When Peter left APGA, Obiano did not sheepishly follow him. Anambra governors are their own men.

aribisala0:
Desperate grasping at straws

Stop lying

The UN never decllared Eboe endangered

I have kicked your ass with pure logic and you are trying to throw up a smokescreen before you disappear. Tell your friend to give us the link to the credible article that quotes any UN agency that stipulates that Yoruba is endangered, possibly with the year this UN agency assertion was made.

LegendHero:
Can you provide the source from UNESCO that classified Igbo language as an endangered language?

Below is the link to UNESCO endangered languages and there are 29 Nigerian languages on that list and they are all minority languages. Infact, I haven't heard of all of them before.

Akum, Bade, Bakpinka, Defaka, Duguza, Dulbu, Fyem, Geji cluster, Gera, Gura,Gurdu-Mbaaru,Gyem,Hya,Ilue,Jilbe,Kiong,Kona,Kudu,Camo,Luri,Mvanip, Ndunda,Ngwaba, Odut, Polci cluster, Reshe, Sambe, Somyev, Yangkam, Zeem

http://www.unesco.org/languages-atlas/index.php

Can you show me the sources from UNESCO website for your claim that Igbo is classified as an endangered language? I am not talking about hearsay articles talking about UNESCO predictions that some major languages will be endangered by 2025 bla bla bla because I also have one of such article that predicted that Yoruba will be an endangered language soon and you see I did not mention it.

I am waiting for your UNESCO source.

You and confusionist ways are like 5 & 6

The list of endangered Nigerian languages that you dragged out, are they from 2006?

Read the article on this page and see that they are talking specifically about late 2006, and I am sure that you are aware of this 2006 time slice, after all you tried to disparage any article, as unacceptable. This clearly tells me you are aware of the time in question

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330854897_UNESCO_Prediction_of_the_Igbo_Language_Death_Facts_and_Fables

Also, as you also claimed that Yoruba was also listed in a credible article, as endangered. Please show us that article, which presumably quotes a UN agency, that states that Yoruba is also endangered. We are all eyes.

And by the way, if you are still interested in reading where UNESCO stated that Igbo language is endangered, please search and find UNESCO publication(s) on endangered Nigerian languages in 2006

LegendHer0:
Another tales by moonlight.

I also know 1000 Igbos brought up in Manchester and they all speak perfect Igbo. I know 500 Yorubas brought up in Ogbomosho that couldn’t speak any Yoruba but only English.

My own is even just more minute a sample than yours, and yet very revealing.

If you doubt me, I will tell you how I personally know 2 trillion igbos in Amelika that speak perfect Igbo.

Then how come what you know does not tally with a UN agency finding, that clearly stipulates that Igbo language is endangered?

How come the same report did not state that Yoruba language is also endangered?

When you want to come up with points, come up with back-able points. Don't just do the same thing that NBS headed by your brother is doing. Pulling out figures from his ass.

aribisala0:
It is "revealing" only to a biassed and illogical mind
What you know or claim t know is not evidence for anything . It is not logical to say that because everybody in your WhatsApp group voted for Ifeanyi Uba therefore he must win the election.

Is that rational?

I can come out and say I know blallabla

That is just my own experience and nothing more

99.99999 % of Eboes did not vote for Buhari. It still turned out to be 5% so coming us to tel us how the Presidential election will go based on how the dwellers of Umuakpu vote is illogical

Now compare this my own experience with the fact that some years ago, a UN agency placed the Igbo language on their list of endangered languages. What this means is that my personal experience tallies with the UN agency's findings.

If Igbo speakers in the US are just 94,000, out of a possible 500,000 to 1 million Igbos in the US, then it still tallies with the UN agency's findings. I am sure if you search, you may find the UN agency that found this out. I can't be bothered to go looking for it.

So basically, your attempts at rubbishing my statements, have obviously met a brick wall in the face of superior logic

aribisala0:
Source and evidence?
If an idea seems good in your head it must be true

You make up a claim of hundreds of thousands of Yorubas


What is the evidence basis for this?

I know about 6 Yorubas in the UK, all of them from different families, who have never been to Nigeria, yet they speak perfect Yoruba, and they don't know each other. Mind you, both parents of each of these people, are Yorubas.

I know about 3 Igbos brought up in Onitsha, who only speak English, because of their parent's foolishness. Their parents are surprisingly from Imo.

This is just a very minute sample, yet very revealing.

Since Abba Kyari went underground, Buhari, Monguno and the rest no longer have access to properly tailored trousers.

Why?

If it is ASO ROCK, then that must be Buhari

Kenekingisback:
Great Umueri...
Lalasticlala please it is Umueri
It is Ofala not Ovala
And add Maduabuchi to the name of the governor.
Great event
Igbos are indeed doing very well
Please Umueri is not an ancient kingdom.
This government sef

Umueri is definitely not an ancient kingdom. But Umuleri was an ancient settlement. They changed their name to Umueri a few years ago

forgiveness:
I thought Jaja was a slave that latter became a king. How can he own what he didn’t create?

He became a free man before he founded Opobo ,years after his freedom

BKayy:
You have the idea. Infact you are close but let me give you the full gist.
"onuku" came about as the way the Igala migrants, who are farmers at that time were calling themselves while romancing.
It is a corruption of the word "Oleku" which means "my love" in Igala language.

Like the old men explained to me. Such stupid way of expressing love or behaviour where the man will be behaving like someone lacking basic reasoning and be calling the other Oleku was totally strange to Ndigbo so they use the word to describe stupidity or someone with low reasoning.

Ndigbo never considered Igala as equal, even today. So all those spartan invasion stories are lies. Total fallacy. They never happened.

Just to shed a little more light.

1. Onuku has been explained
2. Onoja nwa Oboli (Onoja the son of Oboli). According to UMU NRI tales, Onoja was the last son of Eri who migrated to Idah. Oboli was Eri's second wife. As the last son, obviously his elder brothers which included Nri-Menri, Agulu and the others observed him in n his formative years when he acted silly, like lastborns do. The expression ONOJA NWA OBOLI, also became a way of saying that someone is silly or demented. Any UMU NRI man above the age of 70 is conversant with that expression. But it is phasing out in preference for the more widely used ONUKU.

But at some point, the Igalas started twisting this tale to the extent that they came up with a more militaristic view of ONOJA

As I wrote earlier on, Oboli was Eri's second wife, and Nneamaku was Eri's first wife

Igboid
Bkayy

Ibani migrant elders also tried to take over Jaja's throne, but the Jaja's chased them away via the supreme court.

We have seen all these shenanegans before. The only difference now, is that Igbos are gradually getting to be aware of these evil machinations.

Thanks to Dakuku Peterside that reminded Igbos a few years ago, to keep an eye on Opobo, as it is Igbo territory

peleson1:
To solve the false believe of the people of the Eastern hinterlands on Opobo and Bonny ibani ijaws, a referandum will also be conducted for these two Ibani ijaw kingdoms to decide to be with Niger Delta republic where they belong or to go across by air to be in Biafra republic..


I am certain they Opobo and Bonny will remain in Niger Delta.
Ohambele will also join their brothers in Niger delta republic

You can kid yourself as much as you like.

Ngwa people also were half of the Igbo people that first settled in Ubani.

The Jajas own Opobo

And you can tell us what NWAOTAM means in Ijaw.

The ultimate proof is the DNA proof. All these concocted history by Alagoa, sponsored by shady Ijaw groups won't cut it.

Eventually when the Anambra cultural juggernauts get involved, you will be left with nothing. Eventually, Umu Nri people will want to know whether Ngwa and Ndoki and Amaigbo people subscribe to the four Nri market days. That will help to establish whether they belong with the Igbos or the Ijaws.

But first of all, go and convince the Ndokis to stop seeking to be a part of ENOA state, which is proposed to encompass some Igbo groups in the Niger Delta.

Even Amaigbo people will get involved at some point, and they will drag in their fellow Igbos that number in their tens of millions.

You have no chance whatsoever, especially as books written by ancient neutral observers have already made it clear that Bonny was first settled by Igbos.

Finally, what does IBANI mean in Ijaw? Feel free to ask us what UBANI means in Igbo

scholes0:
Language attrition affects most Nigerian groups abroad at almost equal or similar levels. Even if there are nominal differences it shouldn't be bad to heavily throw off the figures by multiple factors. Africans like Somalis, Ethiopians and even Ghanaians are much more in tune with their indigenous languages and pass it on to their children compared to Nigerians across board.

As for Africa Magic channels, of course AM Yoruba is much more watched than AM Igbo. All Nigerians from all regions watch General AM channel from Benue to Ogun to Rivers.

You are slightly wrong with your first paragraph. I was based in the UK. Yorubas are renowned for teaching their kids Yoruba. Igbos are known for not bothering. Their are hundreds of thousands of Yorubas that have never been to o Nigeria, yet they speak Yoruba.

It is not even a competition. That is a plus for the Yorubas, but here is you all are, trying to belittle this Yoruba achievement.

For every Igbo child that is being taught Igbo in the US, there are probably about 4 or 5 Yoruba youths learning Yoruba.
If you all remember, there was a UN agency study that once placed Igbo language on the endangered language list some years ago. Yoruba was never placed on that same list, obviously because Yoruba parents were passing on the language to the younger generation.

The only reason Igbo speakers in the US are even up to 90,000+, according to this US report, is because Igbos have a huge population, otherwise realistically speaking, the Igbo figure is even worse than the Edoid figure ratio-wise.

LegendHero:
OfoIgbo

Remember we argued about this some time ago? Either you or Tobrasky.

I don't remember arguing with you on this topic.

I'm even surprised Igbo speaking families are that much. Most ethnic Igbos don't bother teaching their kids Igbo, and that is why the EPIC channel on AfRICA Magic is the most widely viewed channel, on DSTV.

Now even though I don't have this data, but I expect the AM Yoruba channel on DSTV to be more widely viewed than the AM Igbo channel, b cause Igbos are much more likely to be watching AM Epic, which is 95% dominated by Igbo culture and settings.

Another DSS classic.

Buhari and his Fulani terrorists are just stupid, thinking they can fool anyone with yet another DSS-created group.

ChrisKels, first of all I thought it was Igboid that created this topic.

Now the point I intend to make is that Enugwu-Ezike people claim Nri ancestry. In fact I am aware some of their elders and leaders still go to Enugwu-ukwu (the Umunri first born lineage) from where they originated, to renew their bonds with Umunri.

With this in mind, I am not surprised they take the kolanut first, before indigenes of Idah

From Buhari to Hope Uzodinma to Andy Ubah to Ganduje, to many of the APC officials, it is the same tale of dodgy certificates from the supreme court and from the guys down the street.

I am happy Anambra will never allow such phonies into governance

APC which happens to be IPOB's party lost, so I understand if you write that IPOB lost

APGA the Fulani terrorist party won. I hope you are happy now

Anambra no be Nigeria.

You must have an authenticated academic record before you can be considered.

APGA provides a level playing field and it is meritocratic. Thank God for that party

starbuck:
I am here to read comments

Then read the comments, and stop commenting

Guestlander:
Ibo president will obviously come from APGA. APC and PDP will be foolish to give their ticket to people who will not vote for them.

APC already controls two Igbo states. Also PDP controls two Igbo states. If PDP and APC won't give Igbos the presidential slot, we don't care.

We were told that once Umahi switched to APC, Igbos will be given the presidential slot of APC. If that fails to happen, it also means APC won't give Igbos the presidential slot if Anambra were to vote in APC.

Anambra people have no reason voting in APC. Let APC show honour by promising Igbos the presidential slot, otherwise Anambrarians owe APC nothing.

CryptoClub2018:
And dot in a circle will remain a dot in a circle

That dot, was the hole made by the bullet that killed Nigeria

CryptoClub2018:
See what I'm saying. What brings Tinubu into all this? You people are childish and I like the fact that you igbos are relegated at the federal level. God forbid any Igbo man will never be president in this country. No Igbo blood dead or alive deserves that position

You are obviously not happy because Tinubu has once again, been trampled on, in the ongoing Anambra gubernatorial election.

Tinubu will not win in any SE and SS state. He cannot expect to be forgiven for undermining a southern president.

That has always been Buhari's strategy. Bribing people to vote for a terrorist murderous party.

Anambra no be Lagos, Edo or Imo

Ayomide811:

Just to refresh our memories
I come in peace

Meanwhile, Kano Igbos have more than 500,000 votes

Always factor that

Thmaartentrends:
Nobody is going to drop the presidential position on any Igbo man's laps..

There're processes involved in getting the presidential ticket.

Let any Worthy Igbo man come out to contest under any political party against other aspirants from other parties and let the people decide who they will vote for..


This thing is simple.

And that was how Obasanjo went about his.

Someone that was brought out of jail, pardoned, and sponsored with funds, just so the Yorubas will have a bite of the presidency.

To be honest, I prefer a separate Igbo nation than being in a nation with people whose hearts and conscience are as ugly as they look.

YoungLionken:
Could you please tell/explain to us how the snake logged in and then typed the message ?

The OP did not log out. The snake only had to get into www.nairaland.com and send the message the OP had already drafted

The snake doesn't look dead

How are we sure the snake hasn't killed the OP, and then used the OP's login to send this message to nairalanders

BKayy:
No community in Igboland is founded by one person.
Most of the names Igbo communities bear is not even human names.
Some are like the 10th or 4th name of the particular community (eg Opobo).

If everybody on earth is biblically descended from Adam, then it is conceivable that some communities are descended from one ancestor.

But it is impossible to enumerate ones ancestors all the way to your original town ancestor, because our forefathers kept no written records.

I can supposedly enumerate my ancestors up to my town's ancestor, but I know there must be huge holes in them. At best, I only have about 30% of those names.

The civilization I hail from predates the 8th century according to archaeological records, so I should have around 60 direct ancestors. But at the moment, I will be able to name about 20 of them