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[quote author=Christistruth00 post=108486186][/quote]That attachment is not even helping you, because the Sokoto Caliphate has only been around for just a little over 200 years, but the sultan is seated in the front, alongside the Ooni of Ife.

Even the Obi of Onitsha is slightly a little in front of the Oba of Benin, but that doesn't mean the Obi stool is more ancient than the Benin oba stool.

christistruth01:
Oba Of Benin is of Ife descent

Not at all.

Ooni of Ife is of Benin ancestry

Igboid:
Speaking on Bonny Aboriginal Igbo ancestors.
This is from the book: Lower Niger and it's Tribes by Leonard, Arthur Glynn 1906.

Baike said Bonny ancestors came from Igbo land, Glynn said same, Captain Crow said same.
We are yet to get one neutral account linking Bonny origin to people of Jos!
Not one!

We had 70 pages of thread asking Ijaws to provide one Colonial document that mentioned Jos( old name for Ijaw) and Bonny in one sentence.
So far no answer!

Interesting.

So basically no pre-Nigerian documents written by a number of unrelated neutral observers, ever mentioned Brass, Kalabari or Jos, as the root foundation of Ubani. They have all mentioned the great Igbo race, as the core and founders of Ubani or Okoloma.

John Adams, Crow, Baikie and now Glynn.

I am looking forward to the eventual court case. Jos will be legally beaten silly

Anonymous15:
Baikie interviewed slaves earlier on, but further research made him to understand Bonny was CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES though they speak the OKOLOMA dialect.
Baikie's collection of Bonny words collected from king pepple himself, and the report from pepple.
For your eyes only ...

Your attachment is not from Baikie's records directly. You guys are now quoting from modern books twisted in such a way as to remove the Igbo counting system that King Pepple gave side by side.

The indigenes of Ubani also told him they're of Igbo ancestry. This is a huge blow you can never get past.
So basically, the earlier writings by John Adams and Captain Crow, alongside Baikie's, have all confirmed that Bonny natives are Igbos.
None of them even mentioned Brass or Kalabari, as their original area, let alone Ijo.
Your fraud cannot get past me.

Anonymous15:
Lol,. But below is doctor baikie's collected numerals one to ten, including 6 vocabularies.

Since when did igbos leave
Ofu
Abuo
Ator
Anno to be counting

Nge
Nme
Tere
Eni
Sonna
Sunio

Lol, father lord, ofoigbo Biko ra'pu num kam'je nhu'ra.
Mga puo echi ututu.
Kachi buo

You guys and wayo are like 5 and 6

King Pepple supplied Dr. Baikie with the counting systems of Ubani.

The king gave both Ibani and Igbo counting system.

But of course, the tie breaker, was the earlier Bonny counting system that captain Crow wrote down, which was just Igbo.

Secondly, I thought we made it clear that evidence must come from ancient manuscripts and pre-colonial documents.
Why did you now send a latter day attachment, intentionally twisted to look as though King Pepple only supplied the counting system of just one language, for landgrabbing purposes?

Anonymous15:
You keep recycling this trash.
There are many part of the world where a city is named in another location too.

OKOLOMA was the area Queen Kambasa and some servants moved to when her father Edimini married her off to a man known as Opoli just to Foster trade with the Ndoki people who controlled the imo river because cash crops like yams, rice, palm oil, maize were not grown in Bonny.
That place was also where the Bonny people camp when they come to oyigbo back in those days to buy slave.
In that same obigbo, we can both attest there is Calabar quarters, OHAFIA QUATERS, mbano camp, ABRIBA QUATERS, but does it means the said town own the obigbo and ndoki area?
The OKOLOMA you're pointing was simply a camp of the Bonny people during slave or cash crop trading.
Quit the double standards brother man.

How come OHAFIA QUARTERS, ABRIBA QUARTERS, Calabar quarters did not show up in the ancient map of Ndoki land? But Okoloma showed up.

Secondly, OKOLOMA is not OKOLO-AMA. Show us an ancient record where Bonny is referred to as OKOLO-AMA.

Thirdly, why did the real Ubani people claim Igbo descent, when Dr. Baikie asked them? They did not claim any other thing else

Anonymous15:
Ama is means settlement,
There is
Odioama
Krakraama
Dieama
Mbiama
Obiama
Etc

Ijo is a Language with many dialect identified by linguist such as Gerrit Dimmendaal, Williamson, flench, jenewari, Paul hair, Sigimund koeller,

You should start quoting linguist.

Just as the Igbo Language is large and has Onitsha, owerri, mbano, umuahia etc

That is how the ijoid Languages are too, comprising of Nembe, okrika, calabar kalabari, Bonny, etc.

Its not that difficult.

Show us an ancient record by neutral observers, where Bonny was referred to as OKOLO-AMA.

Please don't show us OKOLOMA, which is also the name that an Ndoki town bears.

Anonymous15:
You keep mentioning Alagoa,
But this is Samuel crowther and pepple in the 1700s

Crowther mentioned Okoloma. He did not mention Okolo-ama. There is also an Okoloma in Ndoki-Igbo territory, and also an ancient map, which Bkayy keeps sending to nairaland, shows Okoloma in both the Ndoki territory and as a second name of Ubani.

You guys have nothing. Already Dr. Baikie, who was the leader of the expedition had already made it clear that Bonny people claim Igbo ancestry. What else do you need to know

9Pluto:
I did not even see this one during my research. Please, I would love to read this.

Opubo Fubara Pepple was the Ubani king that Jaja named his estate after.

Opobo town was named after an Igbo king. I believe Ekealterego showed this, a few weeks ago

Captain8:
I'm down upgrading myself talking to you people because you people are nothing but our gods, Tamuno.

You are our tamuno

Fixed

Alabo7978:
Hey God ehh...
My own Language again o.
I a Nembe man is telling you we call curlew okolain, and you are bringing baikie from England... Hey Jehovah jireh have mercy on us all.

Of course, Brass people may be calling curlew okolain.
All I am saying is that the same Brass people call Ubani Okoloba

seunmsg:
The part in bold has clearly exposed your hypocrisy. It was okay for Igbos to give all their states to ZIK against Awolowo/Umeadi but bad for Yorubas to give all their states to MKO against Tofa/Ugoh.

What’s wrong with Igbos giving one state to ZIK and the other to Awolowo/Umeadi? What’s wrong with Igbos supporting an all Southern ticket? At least, you can’t blame the Yorubas for not voting ZIK because his running mate, Ishaya Audu was a northerner. If ZIK’s running mate was a southerner, he would have won at least a Yoruba state.

Awolowo had an Igbo running mate and you couldn’t spare him one Igbo state but you want Yorubas to vote for Tofa/Ugoh against MKO. I’m sure you can now see how silly and illogical your argument sounds. You have only exposed your hypocrisy.

All you are really trying to tell me is that no Yoruba state has ever voted for any Igbo person.

But I remember that Igbos of Anambra voted for Abiola.
Now, when you get to 1999, all the Igbo states voted for Obasanjo who is a Yoruba man
In 2003 yet again, all the Igbo states voted for Obasanjo.

So on 11 occasions, Igbo states have voted for a Yoruba man in1979, 1999 and 2003, out of a possible 12 Igbo states. (1979 2 states) ( 1999 5states) (2003 5 states).

For for the Yorubas, in 1979, 1999 and 2003, out of a possible 16 states, not one single Yoruba state has ever voted for an Igbo presidential candidate. Zilch.

This proves what we have been saying all along. Yoruba hearts are as ugly as their faces.

Alabo7978:
Liar!
my region falls under the old brass region, we call curlew okolain.
Stop lieng!

The IBOS called OKOLOMA okoloBA
Look at the document by crowther and king PEPPLE himself

So you wrote that you call curlew okolain. Then why did Baikie put down that Brass called Bonny Okoloba? Check the attachment.

It is on record that is what Brass called Ubani. And to give you a bigger problem, Dr. Baikie was the leader of the expedition, not Crowther. Also don't forget this expedition was sanctioned by Queen Victoria.

I believe you already know that Okoloma, which the natives of Bonny (Ndoki and Ngwa Igbos) called Ubani, also exists in Ndoki territory.

seunmsg:
How many Igbo states did the Awolowo/Umeadi ticket won in 1979?

I need you to answer the above question so that you can see how silly you sound.

There were just two Igbo states then, and Zik was the presidential candidate of one of the parties. Ask yourself how many Yoruba states voted for Zik also?

Yorubas had four states to play around with, in 1979, but did not see it fit to give ZIk even one single state, especially as Zik could only rely on a paltry pair of Igbo states.

LegendHero:
LOL.

Bro the only thing you are able to reinforce is that the Ibos voted against Abiola while all southern states voted him.

Igbos are betrayals of the South. That is their story and what amazes me is that they do all that not because they have a clear path to power but just because they are bitter that they can’t measure up to the Yoruba politically so they just vote directionless out of hate.

Ever since you’ve been playing second fiddle to the Fulanis, what has the Ibo achieved? Did they give you guys power? Even Ojuku campaigned openly for Shagari only to be disgraced politically.

Please get your facts right. Tofa is not a Fulani man. He is a Kanuri man so your first propaganda is busted.

Igbos voted for their son, and still managed to have the decency of giving the Igbo-hating Abiola, an Igbo state.
Yorubas voted for their son, but gave no single state to the other team that has a southerner in it.

Yorubas are die-hard haters of Igbos. Can you imagine?

The same thing happened in 2015, when Yorubas had no problem in bringing in a dictator/terrorist as a president, just because they are jealous of the SS man that held the presidency. Yorubas knew that Buhari was much worse than GEJ, but Yorubas still voted for Buhari, the Fulani terrorist.

seunmsg:
OP, what exactly is your point? Abiola lost in 3 out of the 4 SE states so what are you trying to say?

In a contest between a very well educated, popular and philanthropist from the south and a relatively unknown politician from the north, we expect all southern states to deliver nothing less than 80% of the total vote cast to the southern candidate.

You voted against MKO out of hatred and jealousy for the Yoruba race. Own your shit and stop looking for excuses all over the place.

So Abiola won in one Igbo state.

Tell us which Yoruba state voted for Tofa/Sylvester Ugoh. None

This really shows the wickedness of the Yorubas towards the Igbos. First of all, Igbos gave Abiola one state, and gave the Kanuri/Igbo team, the other states, and Yorubas didn't see it fit to return the compliment and also vote for the Kanuri/Igbo team, and at least give them one state

9Pluto:
Take a another look at those pictures you posted, did you notice the ijos had no King?

Meanwhile, King Pepple was already a King in Bonny at this time.

Very interesting. So they had no kings. Tomorrow Ijaws will tell us they invented the AMANYANABO culture.

Nonsense and ingredients

Anonymous15:
Lol, look at the 13th line of your excerpt which reads
"The eboes who are from a neighboring country..."
Open your eyes, I've always said you have jaundice.
Look at the 13th line of the first paragraph.

Comprehension is a difficult thing for you more especially.
And the brass people are Nembe people, and I am a Nembe man, and we trace our ancestry to ijo.

Still you failed woefully to answer my question on why Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves and okoloBA, ebane etc by the ibos.
And why were ibos slaves?
Why were they enculturated to answer names that weren't igbotic.
You're using ogidi and inwelle as instance but does that change the fact that ogidi sprung from Igbo?
No! We all know this because the dialect are similar. You are bringing this logic, but don't want to bring the same logic because it will also link OKOLOMA or the brass people to their ancestry just as ogidi is to Igbo. The double standards is sickening.
I again ask you,
Why were they enculturated to answer okoloama-ijo names.
Why not okwarazurumba mbanaso? Why change it to Jubo jubogha?
Yet you dodged again like matrix.
Take a look at the 13th line of your Excerpt (the first paragraph)
It clearly stated that the eboes ARE FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.
I will unfollow this online grabbing thread and allow you all to continue in your foolishness.
Bye bye.

According to Dr. Baikie, it was the Brass people that called Bonny Okoloba.
The natives of Bonny town called it Okoloma. And we all know the natives are chiefly from the Ndoki Igbo region

Igboid:
So Ijaws basically stole the Ibani identity in order to impersonate the Aboriginal Igbos of Bonny and Opobo.

Interesting.

For months now, I have been writing that Ibani that Ijaws like to claim, was just a mispronunciation of UBANI, which is why UBANI has a meaning in Igbo, but IBANI has no meaning in either Ijaw or Kalabari

SlayerForever

SlayerForever:
Telegram ka Whatsapp dị easy. Trust me. Anyị na kpa nkata na Telegram kita. Just downloaduo ya. I ga fu akaram one time.

Somebody created an OfoIgbo profile on Telegram. That person is not me. If that person is in the telegram group already, please kick him or her out immediately.

That is why it makes sense for people to also authenticate themselves by also sending a specific message, with their nairaland profile to a nairaland topic, cc-ing you

SlayerForever:
My brother ebe anyị nozikwa bụ Telegram. Ị mepe akaram na Telegram afam apụta.

Telegram edosirlm Anya. Nke nchoro bu Facebook

SlayerForever:
Okay. I was just mentioning so you know our plans are going ahead here.

I've already created a new Facebook login. I will join the group tomorrow

Putindbutt:
Hardcore ibo man with low I.Q. Stop Begging The Question.
He wasn't asked if he was an Ijaw man. His answer was framed along the question construct. His mode of answering was in order to any form of interview. If another interviewer had posed a direct question, he sure would have tailored his answers accordingly.

So basically what you are stylishly saying is that the Opobo king never described himself as an Ijaw man.

Why then have you guys been mouthing off all over the place that King Jaja described himself as an Ijaw man?

RobbStark:
You only know how to twist things.
The man ask, we are here to know about Opobo n Ijaw people, why didn't the king say he isn't Ijaw.

Continue fooling yourself online, the real owners are on ground

Why didn't he also say he isn't Igbo. You guys have not proved anything. Someone that is describing Ijaws as THEY and THEM

Putindbutt:
THEY/ THEM is immaterial to the identity of Opobo. He was on record saying Opobo are ijoid. The dressing is part of Ijaw culture for centuries, no matter how mischievous you may want to put it. And the dressing has been a cultural heritage of both Bonny/Opobo.

I am asking you guys for the umpteenth time, show us a clear evidence where he said that he is an Ijawman. You are still here carrying on with your well oiled deception techniques. You are now dealing with a hardcore Igbo man

JANK23H:
He addressed the Opobo people as "They". That means he isn't from Opobo by your assertion na.

A king can refer to his subjects as THEY or THEM.

But I want you to even show us where he clearly stated that he is Ijaw

JANK23H:
You shot yourselves in the foot with this video.Indeed you lots are tactless.

Here the Amayanabo affirmed his Ijawness,If he wasn't he would have stated that he was Igbo.

While you are at it in your WhatsApp group or Facebook,make sure you strategize on how to re-educate the Amayanabo how he is Igbo and not Ijaw.

Fidifidi!

That is why I am telling you to show us where he affirmed his Ijawness, and I will also advise you to listen to 2:58 - 5:26, where he also clearly addressed Ijaws as THEY and THEM

Putindbutt:
Can't you hear him describe Ijaw attire by how he's dressed.

I can describe an American attire by how I am dressed. That doesn't make me an American.

Even the interviewer was obviously on a mission to corner Opobo as an Ijaw territory. It was clear throughout the interview and in the mode of his questioning.

If I bring in a pro-Igbo interviewer, King Dandeson would have also admitted he's Igbo.

But I have already shown you a snippet, where he was describing Ijaws as THEY and THEM. 2:58 - 5:26

sinteiking:
The biggest proof of this argument is the current King of Opobo affirming Opobians are Ijaws.

Verdict of this Argument: Opobians are Ijaws

Show me where he affirmed that he is Ijaw, and I will show you where he affirmed that he is not Ijaw.

Just listen from 2:58 - 5:26. Those are not the sentence constructions of someone that truly believes he is Ijaw.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCPKHyhdYD8

sinteiking:
Did His Majesty king (Dr.) Dandeson Douglas Jaja JP, Jeki V, Treaty king, Amayanabo of Opobo affirmed his Ijawness or not?

Not very vehemently all through, because if you listen to this interview from 2:58 - 5:26, where he was asked about the Ijaws, he kept using THEY and THEM.

Watch and see


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCPKHyhdYD8

Ekealterego:
Antispambot banned me, I had to sit on the sidelines while I watch Umunnem give gave it to these guys hard core, with no mercy or Vaseline.

Welcome back