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pafun:


Ologbo147 alias Akpama211 alias Oghodua alias … Ode Edo. 😂
You are not even intelligent at all. You are using two different accounts of yours to like/applaud the post of yet another third account. Mental guy. You are a disgrace to Edo people.

is that a sign of guilt from you , is that what you do, is that why when they defeat you guys, you come up with another moniker on the same very topic that has been thrashed before. Go in shame with your sorry ignorant self, i will not go in the mud with you, i am bigger than your illiterate self and existence. Since you have failed to prove yourself academically,to save face you go for character assasination. You would have just said everybody who spoke on the part of Edo is one person from Headnigga down so i will just know you are an authentic slowpoke

This is what you guys do here, it’s audible to the deaf, visible to the blind, it is not even news. The last four pages has been topic discussed over and again. Your tactics is to quote one person over and again till that person wears out so everyone will think it’s popular opinion. I can bet my life and nothing will happen to methat each Yoruba person on the last four pages of this thread has at least three monikers they have quoted people with on this very thread. So it is clear guilty conscience at play from you. It will take an extremely dumb person not to notice, the same writing pattern and all, “give your thought” “explain “

pafun:
😂😂😂
You are a glorious buffoon. At this point I will abandon you to your foolishness . Bye.
🇺🇸

Your ignorance has since betrayed you, you are looking for a shameful exit, you have one already, begone with your illiterate self

Gamesmart:
Obvious where?

But they allowed Aganga who is not Yoruba to take their ministerial slot despite knowing he is not originally Yoruba, so what nonsense are you chatting?

They did not have hundreds of Lagosians they could have proposed in his place?

Did Lagosians not even vote an Igbo man as their deputy mayor in the 1950s?

Who do you think voted for him?

Obidients?

You are talking nonsense!

Olusegun Olutoyin Aganga is a Yoruba man and it was a bumpy ride for him. We are talking of a post 1960 politics. It will be harder for camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for an Edo Osimhen or an Igbo Genevieve or an Igbo brainjotter to be voted as the governor of Lagos state, even though they were born there

pafun:
50,000 what? Naira? $ ? Lira ? $Zim?

Stop pretending that 50,000 naira is nothing to your uneducated miserable existence, you get it first, if you can get it let me die young, you will not find it anywhere not even in your dreams

pafun:
No worries go on with your belief. By the way a word may not be interpreted by the dictionary meaning alone, context adds new meanings. Have a good day.

I will personally add fifty thousand to it if you find one, there is absolutely none known to man

3ice9ce:
Your local Oba of Benin with his tiny kingdom is an employee of the government and they are the ones who gave him appointment letter.

i dare say there is no king in Yoruba whose immediate landmass and population is more than that of the Oba Of Benin. Not influence, immediate landmass and population, the ooni of Ife cannot go to ijebu and dictate for the awujale of ijebu how he runs his territory. Neither can he do so with the Aladdin of Oyo or the Olugbo of Ugbo or even the Oluwo of Iwo even though they are in the same state

lawani:
You have to go and do that work and research for yourself and publish your positions.

it is not an argument, it is not a position my brother, it is reality and it is generally accepted by scholars that Bini’s monarchy started out in 1200 and we have about 40 kings.

lawani:
We did not operate a Gregorian calendar, we have scarce written records and we see time as cyclical instead of linear. The past is the future but the fact that the Oyo practiced both succession methods and still remain at more or less the same number of successions as the Ijesa lends heavy credence to my argument.

you seem to be speaking in tongues my brother, under which reign of which king did it stop, you have oral traditions, you can post the list of oyo kings, let me post that of Bini kings(i have it). Let’s compare the years in the reign of these kings, so you can see how solid my argument is.

lawani:
Funnily as I mentioned earlier, Oyo was operating the same exact succession system as Benin before they abolished it.

when exactly is also a factor

lawani:
You are right but it goes both ways because if a Benin king is blessed with longevity then his son will ascend the throne as an old man similar to the present Attah of Igala and the Attach title means father and it may be a reason they may like older people but in Yoruba land, there is a wide pool to choose from since it is always an open contest and atimes the position may remain vacant for a length of time or occupied by a regent while the search continues for a substantive monarch. There is never a period of vacancy in the constitution of Benin, Ibadan, Britain etc as succession is automatic and predecided. The next Olubadan, Oba of Benin etc are always known if they remain alive. That saves them time and is also a factor to consider in favor of your argument but the fact that a much younger person than the first son of the late King can and most often ascends the throne in Yoruba land is also a strong point for my argument. The present Oba of Benin also was already an old man when he ascended the throne. Compare him to Ooni Ogunwusi, Ooni Sijuade, Alaafin Adeyemi, Owa Aromolaran when they ascended their thrones and you will understand my point. They were all younger than Oba Ewuare II when he ascended the throne. That is the issue. Most first sons will be around fifty years when their father dies and if the father was blessed with longevity, they will be much older. 51 kings in Ife, 47 in Ijesa and maybe 47 in Oyo compared to 40 as you said in Benin means most probably that the Benin dynasty started much later according to my original post, then the stories in the Ifa corpus that I mentioned.

the year’s they started out according to already laid down tradition would help. Also the three thrones in Yoruba land operating a similar system as opposed to Bini operating something different might not be so fair to Bini and it might not be a true reflection of what you have in mind

lawani:
I understand your point but in Yoruba land, the next King is almost always much younger than the first son of the late King unlike in Benin where the next King must be the first son of the late King and that first son might be an old man depending on the age his Dad died. Sijuade was almost fifty years older than Ogunwusi that succeeded him. Therefore it is even benevolent to Benin's argument to assume everything evened out but I think it is safe to use that assumption.

it is not always the case, even for the fact that you have a guess, you were not there to actually witness these kings and their ages at the time, that for Benin is certain, you cannot use the event of Now to accurately ascertain the past, in Igala a sister yoruboid tribe to Yoruba, the present Attah has retired from the civil service. Some first sons may not come until 35, 25 was an average. The meat of the Matter is that with primogeniture, you are very certain that the next king is one generation younger at the very least, but the issue of rotation among families, we were not there, we cannot ascertain.

lawani:
Can you point to an occasion in Yoruba land where an old man was made King?. Some modern kings in Yoruba land ruled for sixty years. The present Owa Obokun was installed in 1980. The late Sijuade was on the throne for almost fifty years. Oyekan of Lagos the same thing. Isn't Sikiru Adetona of Ijebu still there? Therefore it is the same thing all over except for Ibadan.

if you can attest to what is tenable now, where you around for the last seven centuries to vouch for who they installed. But with the system of primogeniture you are very certain that the successor is on the average 25 years younger than the father. That is why I have been asking you for the list of Oyo kings. Besides there is a system in place in Oyo whereby the Ogboni council can present an empty calabash and such a king would commit suicide or be banished, such a culture is totally absent in Benin. The system at all is not the same

lawani:
I just used an analogy, I did not say Benin dynasty started 1200 years ago. I said on the average, the total length of the reign of fifty kings would be similar in any two lands. It is the law of probability. In Benin, not all Kings were succeeded by their sons since anything can happen that was not foreplanned. Brothers have succeeded each other in the past because the king died too early and his first son was not even yet a toddler. Such happens, so at the end of the day,things even out. In ninety percent of cases or even ninety nine percent, a new King would be the age grade of the kids of the late King. You can do an independent assessment of royal successions across the world. Ibadan is an outlier because royal succession is by social seniority and not by birth.

the reign of fifty kings would be similar when the system in place is similar. For most parts of the Bini kings, their sons succeeded them, some their first, some their second but in 90 percent of the time their sons succeeded them, that can’t be compared to a system where it is rotational between families and the successors of the late king in some cases might be ten years younger than the late king

lawani:
You are very right. There are Oonis of Ife that were inaugurated in the morning and died in the evening but on the average everything evens out and it is unlikely that fifty kings will reign for 1500 years in one kingdom while they reign for 1200 years in another except if the system of succession warrants such as is the case in Ibadan where only retired old men can make it to the throne. In other places, it is not like that. The normal way is that the successor to the throne will be the age grade of the children of the king that died.

nobody said that the Bini dynasty has lasted for 1200 years, what we are saying is that the Bini dynasty started out in 1200, but that is pretty fair enough for 40 kings. 1200 till date is 800 years. Besides the Bini monarchical system is primogeniture in nature. The eldest son usually succeeded the father in most cases in Benin. But that is not the case in your place whereby the next king might be ten years younger than the late king.

lawani:
I saw another account saying 37th but it only makes a little difference. There is still around seven generations between Oranmiyan and the founder of the current dynasty which still means there is need for more digging. Ijesa and Oyo share a similar number of successions. Britain too is less than fifty successions. What do you mean by Dagbo story?.

you have to check the longevity of each of these kings, like there are some Bini kings that lived for a year on the throne while there are some others that lived up to 45 years on the throne, some as much as 54 on the throne while another 46. So going by that analogy above. Any number around 40 to 50 is even as they will not be dying at the same time or not be taken permission from each other to die. You might as well drop the chronology of the oyo kings,let’s take a look at it.we have it on good note that our dynasty started in 1200

This is the 40 th Oba of Benin. Not that I believe in your Dagbo history. I just have to correct you

Tukpa8:
you are far behind...
You are too far from nigeria evil politics..

Wards in some parts and given base on population but by nepotism, favouritism.

The itshekiris have power advantage over the warri north Ijaws for too long...
The itshekiri of warri north share wards to the warri north Ijaws.......how can they share rightfully with us when they claim we are strangers?
Normally, I don't like to talk with person like you believe in nigeria or nigeria politics and see it as way of fact.

Nigeria belongs to us all, if Warri north is up to 50% Ijaws, they won’t be the ones allocating wards for you guys, it would be an even arrangement, Warri north is at most 35 percent Ijaws and nothing more, I know it’s not even up to

Tukpa8:
you are talking rubbish..

Ijaws are in six States..
Bayelsa
Delta
Rivers
Akwa ibom
Ondo
Edo.


Ijaws are in 6 big LGAs in delta.
Ijaws have 12 LGAs in rivers.
Ijaws are in three LGAs in Ondo
Ijaws are in two LGAs in Akwa ibom.
Ijaws are in two LGAs in edo.
Bayelsa was heavily marginalized

Bayelsa is bigger than imo and anambra together,,, google can help you confirmed it.

Ijaws have 3 and a half wards total in Edo state, they have two in their sparsely populated communities in Ovia south west and they have 1 and a half in Ovia north east

Tukpa8:
Ijaws communities in edo state are well populated,, don't say what you don't know... Ijaw has good 5 kingdoms in edo state with over 500 villages.

The Ijaws in edo were heavily marginalized, that's why they are like that.

take your ogogoro weak brain argument away from my mention, I live in Edo, you can stay up to six months, you won’t find an Edo Ijaw, if you have population indeed, nobody can marginalize you, you would be the one marginalizing people

The entire Etsako tribe is about 12 percent of the population of Edo state and they have three full local government, the owan has about seven percent of the population of Edo state and they have two local government. You can’t marginalize a tribe that is peopled

Are these not your superweak communities with about 200 people per community in Edo state, The settlement of the Ijaws is unarguably the most sparsely populated in Edo state. You call every settlement of 50 persons kingdom, sick people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWKmIKBg5c

Timetravel88:
It is true that large percentage of the Edo demograph comes from the 5 main ethnic groups with roots from Bini (Bini, Etsako, Esan, Owan, and Akoko Edo). However, there are other minority ethnicities in Edo state that makes up the total land mass and general population, these are the few I speak of when I say that Edo state is not an ethnic homogeneous state.

These ethnic groups are the Igbira speaking communities in Akoko Edo, Itsekiri communities in Ikpoba-Okha, and Ijaw Izons and Urhobos in Ovia North East and South West Local Government Areas, especially in the borderlands. We have also the Igbo speaking indigenous communities in Igbanke (Ika) in Orhionmwon LGA.

okay now I understand, they would cumulatively not be up to 5 percent, they are super minorities

Let me give you a break down of these tribes, there is only one Igbirra affiliated tribe in Edo state and that is Igarra, which happens to be the headquarter of Akoko Edo. In that Akoko Edo, Okpamheri is by far the largest Edo tribe there with about twenty three villages. Then you have Uneme as a single group with about ten villages before Igarra. Igarra as an Igbirra town is about 50 thousand.

The only Itsekiri community is Ologbo , and Ologbo as a community is shared between Itsekiris and Binis. Ologbo in all its glory cannot be more than 20,000. It is a town of about ten quarters, 5 for the Binis, five for the itsekiris,

There is no Urhobo community in Edo state but there are Ijaw communities in Edo state, they have three and a half wards in Edo state. Their communities are really sparsely populated.

Igbanke is two wards, this is the reason. People do not know that Orhiowmon is a really big local government. It is the largest rural local government in Edo state. Orhiowmon houses Urhonigbe,the largest town there,it is Bini speaking, it is two wards too, it houses the bigger of the two Oza, it is three wards, it is the second largest town there, it is also a Bini speaking community. then you have Abudu, another Bini community, before you have Igbanke and other Bini communities which are also large in their own right, like Ugo, Umogun Nokhua then several other smaller Bini communities

Urhonigbe is well over 90 thousand Oza Aibiokunla on the other hand cannot be less than 90 thousand

Orhiowmon as an Lga is well over 450,000

Tukpa8:
first, there is no igbo in rivers state...
go to Ikwere land and say they igbos then see if you will return home completely

In warri South West Ijaws are 75% because only little Itshekiri group is there...I can name the little Itshekiri Communities there..

[/b]Warri South,,, Ijaws 20%

Warri north where I come from,,, Itshekiri 50% and Ijaws 50%.....I made it like this because I want to be fair the itshekiris.


Rivers state Ijaws has 12 LGAs.
Ikwere and etche together is 4 LGAs.

If there are Igbos in Rivers state or not, that is not the bone of contention, then they are not [b]Ijaws,I was talking about the population of the entire non Ijaw group against the population of Ijaw groups in Rivers state.

Ikwerre is the largest ethnic group in Rivers state. The next is Ogoni, their combined population is about 4 million. Then you have Ogba,Ndoni, Ndoki, Omuma, Ekpeye, Obigbo Etche, etc

Now these groups are really numerous and not sparsely populated. Take an example for Etche, Etche has nineteen wards and is really numerous.

All these groups are not Ijaws and they are really numerous, local government is not a yardstick for population strength, for example even our rural lgas are not all the same population wise. You can put three patani into Orhiowmon for example yet patani is an lga, Orhiowmon is an lga.

Even in Warri south west, the Ijaws have four wards itsekiris has six, even though you guys have the headquarters, your population there cannot be more than 55 percent at a stretch

Warri south, I am not a novice with Warri politics, I would be surprised if you guys have beyond 5 percent of the population of Warri south, you can shock me by listing the wards you have presence in Warri south and listing the communities.

Warri north- this is the major enclave of the itsekiri people which they however share with the Ijaws. Ijaws presence in this local government will be at most 30 percent, 35 is a drag. If you have proof, you can list wards you guys have presence here with the names of the communities with verifiable facts

GeneraIDitari:
In the North like North West, most kids that are less than 5 years old are registered voters, so you don't check population with registered voters.

that is an issue with the north, it is not an issue in the south, and the north is not under analysis here

Tukpa8:
I don't think read your jargons...I stopped reading it when you mentioned rivers state..
You are too ignorant,,,so I don't have to read your write-up to the because I know it will junks.

who made ogoni igbo?
Ogoni that migrated from Ghana.
Who told you apart from Ijaw the rest in rivers is igboid group? ignorant from the highest order.

go learn before you come talk to me.

Ijaws are in six LGAs in delta..

you are an illiterate and I will tell you why. Aside ijaw the rest groups in rivers state are igboid groups and Ogoni, quote me anywhereI never said Ogoni was Igbo, I was excluding all non ijoid groups in rivers state as against the population of actual Ijaws. That is the idea behind the whole talk,
Ogoni is the second single largest group in rivers state add it to the population of all Igbo groups in Rivers state and you would see ijoid groups in all their numbers would not be more than 40 percent.

Leave delta state, I know delta state like the back of my hand, you guys are in patani, bomadi, burutu, and you guys have up to 50 percent or a little more of the population of Warri south west, your population in Warri south is so small, I doubt you guys own a single ward there, it is owned majorly by itsekiris and Urhobos. In Warri north, the itsekiris are majority and your population there cannot be more than 35% of it is even up to

Timetravel88:
Edo is neither a tribe nor a homogeneous state. It is a multi ethnic state like Delta, Rivers, Benue and Kogi state.

They are both Binis(Rema and Johnny drille) if you want to know alongside with Goya ameno, djinee, Cynthia Morgan, late Ojb jezreel, Sarz on the beat etc are all Binis

And also to clear your doubt, up to 90 percent of Edo state are related. Most of them trace to Benin Accor to their oral accounts. And some of them are so close and can’t be properly called independent tribe, take an example of Bini and Esan, our dialects is so close that even till date, linguists still classify Esan as a Bini dialect or that Bini and Esan are not separate languages but they are dialects of the Same language groups. If you need proofs, let me know, we bear the same names, there is no name a Bini man would bear, that an Esan man can not bear and interpret

A Bini man can go on YouTube and watch an Esan film without needing an interpreter

It is like that with the continuum, an Esan man can go to YouTube and watch an Etsako film without needing an interpreter

The Owan/Ora people also have very strong mutual intelligibility with Esan such that up till 1945, they were classed as Esan groups. They have over seventy five percent intelligibility rate with Esan. Some of their clans have over 80 some as much as 85

Even the least intelligible Edo group in Edo state which would be the Akoko groups, they still have over 50 percent of mutual intelligibility rate with Benins. I have heard them speak their native language, it is not that strange, it seems familiar and look like Bini

Tukpa8:
you are just typing fictional numbers for Ijaws in those places..

Ijaws in delta have 6 big LGAs.

Ijaws in edo are heavily marginalized, so they were unjustly in just two LGAs instead of three.

Ondo state,,, Ijaws are in three LGAs.

Akwa ibom, Ijaws are in three LGAs.

Rivers state, Ijaws owned 11 LGAs and share one.


Landmass,,,you can used Google to help yourself,,only Bayelsa is bigger than imo and anambra together...you go google it

Ijaw population is more than Igbos.
Igbos are not many in the south east despite how small south east is... You don't even know that the full south east is not up to some single states in nigeria.

south east was never up to stand as a region on it own but no choice as the eastern region collapsed.

If the dullard aboki buhari had go on with this census,,fowl yansh for open.

Ijaws were jointly marginalized by the coup called wazobia...three ethnicities join hands together to politically defeat Ijaw and reduced it to minority status..

Ijaws are more than Igbos in population.
Look at the map below Ijaw lands and igbo land

Ijaws in delta do not have six lgas, they have presence in 5 lgas, ( their figure in Warri south is negligible ) is not the same thing. In delta, you guys have bomadi, patani, and Burutu, and also a strong presence in Warri south west maybe up to 50% of the population and a little more.


In Edo state, where I am from and I have strong knowledge about, you guys have three wards and the last one (Oduna ward) is even shared between Binis and Ijaws, you guys are not marginalized anything, the number of wards ( note wards is not the same as local government in case you are not educated enough to know)is commensurate with your population in Edo state.

In Ondo state, you guys have Ese Odo which I know to be the only Ijaw local government in Ondo state. If you have presence in any others, it would be maybe one or two communities and it would be totally negligible. Please name the local government in Ondo state outside Ese Odo that you guys have presence and how many wards that you guys control there with verifiable facts.

In Rivers state, The most numerous single groups is Ikwerre, follow by Ogoni and if you add all the Igboid group in Rivers state, you will have over 60 percent of the population of Rivers state. Groups like Ilwerre herself, Ogoni, Etche, Obigbo, Omuma, Ndoki, Ndoni, Ekpeye, etc. then you have migrant population in the rivers state again.

With the Igbos, you should know what the word density means(you can google it) Igbo land has the highest density in Nigeria and the highest in Africa only second to the Nile valley.Population is more important than landmass in state creation.

Bayelsa has 10773kmsquare in landmass bigger than the two smallest state in the east or just about the same size landmass wise but Anambra with about 4800 km square has about 2.75 million registered voters and Bayelsa state with about twice the size landmass wise has about 1.2 million registered voters, you cannot wish 300,000 away with voters apathy let alone 1.5 million. I hope I have been able to convince you that landmass is not always commensurate to population size

Tukpa8:
i should proved to you that I speak for Ijaws?
are you normal? u well so?
If you want to know come Ijaw land.


You are very stupid for bringing this rubbish nonsensical and false thing from google as your source of fact.
anyone can write rubbish and put in google
That rubbish was put by Ijaw enemies

Ijaw population is more than igbo population....my pain was the aboki buhari postponing this month census....a cencus that we should have used to prove to the world that Ijaw is the 3rd largest tribe behind hausa and Yoruba.

Igbo is at the very least 8 times more numerous than the Ijaws. I seem to think now that many ijaws seem to be drunkards and delusional

You want to compare a tribe with 5 solid states with about 11 million adult registered voters that is the most homogeneous in Nigeria anyway)with great population strength in Lagos,Abuja, Ibadan ,Kano etc with another with another whose single state is arguably the least populated in Nigeria. And whose landmass is so sparsely populated, in Edo you guys have 3 and a half wards, in delta state, you guys have three and a half local government. In ondo you guys have a single local government, where the population whey una wan take pass Igbos? Una total number for Nigeria nor fit pass 5 million sha

bestman09:
I've personally lost lots of money through buying online courses but the truth is that there are genuine courses too.
A course I bought in Aug 2022 for N50K is still working very well till today, though so much have changed in terms of the process.

Anything that have original will always have scam

the next thing you will offer to sell the course you bought in august 2022 for 40k

Because of the false history he is reeling towards Benin

Christistruth03:
Document below is from
Sir alfred moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos 1890
Confirming that Lagos is Yorubaland and that Oyo Once Ruled over Benin
and to the Sea, the Eguns are a Brother Clan of the Ewe of Dahomey ,Oyo was their Overlord over all Egun and Ewe People from Badagry to Ghana

Including Allada Cotonou Whydah
Most of Dahomey and Togo and the East of the Volta River in Ghana

Alaafin Oranmiyan was the first Alaafin that was overlord over Benin ,

the true story , there was no council of Yoruba obas, it was council of kings in western province at the time, the other midwestern kings were omitted to suit their selfish narrative

Parizz:
whats your dick size? Does your dick point up when hard?

it is only dicks of really young people that point up when hard

Practice prana mudra while taking your bath in the shower for 45 minutes everyday for one week

Christistruth03:

the true story, there was no council of Yoruba obas, it was council of kings in western province at the time, they omitted the other midwestern kings to suit their selfish narrative. Thanks for the expose ghostwon8222